Into the Pro-Abortion Sewer
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Just disgusting:
A family doctor faces being struck off for daring to suggest to women seeking an abortion that they should think twice.
Dr Tammie Downes says at least eight grateful mothers have children today which they would have terminated until she asked them to consider the consequences.
But Dr Downes, 36, is now being investigated by the General Medical Council for a possible breach of ethical guidelines.
If charged and found guilty of professional misconduct, she could be removed from the medical register and forced from her job.
The GMC, which regulates doctors, is understood to have received a complaint from another doctor who claims Dr Downes is promoting her anti-abortion views to patients.
Doctors must not allow personal opinions to affect their advice.
From “do no harm” to “don’t dare ask someone to think twice” – the low to which medicine has fallen in Great Britain…and would fall here in the United States, if the pro-abortion fanatics had their way with it. As I’ve said before, you can be on firm moral groiund, or you can be in favor of abortion – you can’t be both. To be in favor of this inhuman practice is to eventually cease in a meaningful way to be humane – be pro-abortion, and it is easy to become a person who would turn another person in to the authorities for merely suggesting that someone think twice before going forward with a decision to have an abortion.
Abortion is wrong, period. We must end it, as swiftly as possible – if we wish to remain civilized, then the very least we must do is ensure that unborn children are not murdered.
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84 Responses to “Into the Pro-Abortion Sewer”
Caucus of Corruption
Cav,
You focus on the color of ones skin as your main identifier. That is the very definition of a racist. In your last post, you mention the “browning” of America. You’re disgustingly a racist and too stupid to know it.
Your writing skills are pathetic, your analogies pedestrian, and the mush in your mind is fully indoctrinated. Sorry but I don’t believe there’s any hope for you.
I’m not a “moderate” on any subject.
“ I never implied that abortion is a right wing conspiracy of any sort.”
“ the platform that was used to bring evangelicals/fundamentalist/protestant white to the polls for Ronald Reagan ”
“conservatives love all children in the womb so they can have adults to hate in the future ”
“Abortion was a good nail for conservatives to hang their hat on they thought in the 70s because they could point to declining populations of white Americans vice the fecundity of blacks and connect those dots of what America was supposed to look like today. ”
“the fear of the drain on live births to white educated mothers” Aborting minorities drains white births … how?
That’s twice you’ve referenced Buchanan; perhaps you can explain to everyone how his views are synchronistic with mine, or neocon’s or Navydad’s, or anyone else on this thread? didn’t think so. now, go pack tou your playland with the other “demons” and scary such types. Ba’Bye, now.
The things which harm us the most, such as Abortion, Illegal immigrants, Criminals, Drugs, Pornography…
aren’t what bring us together, it is our Love for Jesus Christ that binds us together, if it were not for those of the Christian communities in America, this Nation would have ceased to exist long ago.
Without Jesus we would not be here.
Satan would have been allowed to take over and chaos would have ruled Murder and Disease would have wiped us out.
Youl will not find unity without Jesus Christ.
Jeremiah
Dasein,
Good day.
Jeremiah,
What would have America do? Make Christianity the national religion? Require every make pledge to be more religious? You attitude is childlike not childish because it is rife with naïveté and diffidence not ignorance. You are the type of person most likely to be duped by the Meyers the Dollars and the Osteens of the Christianity for Cash set.
Neocon,
Do not be so despondent. White America had an amazing 300+year run. And thanks for being such an adult and offering solutions instead of personal attacks. Race like it or not is Americas prime mover. Only a white man could possibly call someone who takes the white race to task a racist. That is the very height of hubris and it is the sword that will decapitate you in the end.
Make Christianity the national religion?
Cavalor,
Can’t do that.
The people must have a willingness in their hearts to serve the Lord. If the people don’t want to serve the Lord and put Him first in this Nation, then everything else will fall apart. Jesus Christ instituted Governments that some authority can be taken over the evil man.
God is head of the house. Not man. Not money. But He loved you so much that He gave you a second chance when He gave His life on the cross at Calvary, so that you might want to serve Him.
We are a fortunate people.
Seek ye first the kingdom of Heaven, and His righteousness, and all these other things will be unto ye.
It’s an individual battle, depending on where the peoples hearts are at, when combined, that will make a difference.
All things are possible through Christ.
Jeremiah
Jeremiah,
Save your breath Man. You have your religion and I have my Faith. Show a small measure of respect and leave it at that. Go in Peace.
and I have my Faith.
By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God’s command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible.
By faith Abel offered God a better sacrifice than Cain did. By faith he was commended as a righteous man, when God spoke well of his offering. And by faith he still speaks, even though he is dead.
By faith Enoch was taken from this life, so that he did not experience death.
By faith Noah, when warned about things not yet seen, in holy fear built and ark to save his family.
By faith Abraham, when called to go to a place he would later receive as his inheritance, obeyed and went, even though he did not know where he was going.
By faith he made his home in the promised land like a foreigner in a strange country.He was looking forward to the city with foundations, whose architect and builder was God.
By faith Abraham, even though he was past age–and Sarah herself was barren–was enabled to become a father because he considered him faithful who had made the promise.
All these people were still living by faith when they died. They did not receive the things promised; they only saw them and welcomed them from a distance. And they admitted that they were aliens and strangers on earth. People who say such things show that they are looking for a country of their own. If they had been thinking of the country they had left, they would have had opportunity to return. Instead, they were longing for a better country–a heavenly one. Therefore, God is not ashamed to be called their God, for he has prepared a city for them.
But the man who has doubts is condemned if he eats, because his eating is not from faith; and everything that does not come from faith is sin.
Jeremiah
navydad,
So glad we agree on something. There ARE those, however, who would force a woman to have her rapist’s child. In fact, there are even those who claim that a woman cannot become pregnant through rape!
As far as using abortion as birth control, I believe I answered that. I DO think we need better access to birth control, emergency contraception, and better sex ed. These are PROVEN to reduce teen pregnancies and abortions and are something many religious zealots oppose.
To all who are pro-life:
Again, what should be the penalty for the young mother who aborts her child? Life in prison, the death penalty? After all, if abortion is murder we must treat it as such. And what about pre and post natal care, as well as health care for the children and mother. If they cannot afford health insurance (currently over $1000.00 per MONTH for family coverage), ‘Pro-Lifers’ MUST have some plan to pay for the costs!?!?
Why will no one answer? If you cannot answer this, then abortion cannot be outlawed- for what good is a law without appropriate punishment? Or maybe we should leave abortion legal and trust that only God can dole out appropriate punishment?
Coulterfan,
Yes, Abortion should be outlawed.
As for the punishment for those who commit Murder of their unborn child?
I think if we outlawed Abortion, 95% of all children would be given life, and as for the other 5% we know that there always going to be those who disobey the law, no matter what the laws are. However, for those women who are caught Murdering their unborn child should be institutionalized, because any Mother who would Murder their unborn child is not thinking sanely to begin with ie the mother who drowned her 5 children in a pond, and the woman who threw her two children in the dumpster.
Any healthy minded mother would give their child life, pay attention too, and obey the laws of the land.
Jeremiah
Do you mean jailed or committed to a mental institution? For how long? Life?
And do you really equate someone terminating a pregnancy early in the term to someone killing their 5 children in a pond?
I think there would be many, many women who would be outraged at your comparison.
committed to a mental institution?
Precisely!
For how long?
Until she is stable enough to make wise decisions, and be civil. Which is all we ask from any of our citizens.
do you really equate someone terminating a pregnancy early in the term to someone killing their 5 children in a pond?
I think there would be many, many women who would be outraged at your comparison.
Doesn’t matter, in both situations they are living human beings. Which makes them both murder.
Jeremiah
Osteens of the Christianity for Cash set.
Cavalor,
I will concede that there are ministers who bring a false message. Pastor Osteen preaches that “self” is more important than God. In other words, he’s saying that “self” comes first, then God.
We can’t do that … God must be first and foremost in all that we do.
Pastor Osteen, set on national television in front of Larry King and denied many things about Faith.
I don’t want to offend anyone here, but in all honesty, he’s not standing up for truth. He should be bringing the message that ‘God comes first, and THEN everything else will follow. We should be walking in Faith not of “ourselves” but of God, because without God, none of our existence would be possible.
Jeremiah
Plain,
Please provide verifiable information that an abortion was ever attempted with a coat hanger.
Also, please look up the “back alley” abortionists and tell me what they did after Roe.
If you do that, you’ll have two bits of truth about abortion to go into your mental mix which, apparantly, only includes pro-abortion platitudes at the moment. Once you let in some truth about abortion, you’ll be on the road to pro-life views.
I look forward to eventually welcoming you to our side.
Coulter,
The punishment a woman receives as a result of an abortion is the life long guilt and, very often, self destructive behaviour she engages in after having the abortion.
A “doctor” who performs an abortion, however, is guilty of first degree murder, and should pay the just price for such a crime.
Lilly,
Admirable sentiments of tolerance – but some things are just intolerable, and one of them is abortion.
In my statements on the abortion issue, I don’t concede the other side as having a valid point – because they don’t have one. In my view, those who are in favor of abortion just haven’t thought about it while those who aren’t in favor of a ban on abortion haven’t thought about it enough.
As one commenter noted, an abortion is a permanent solution to a temporary problem. And that is if you wish to grant that a pregnancy can be other than a blessing (which it can’t). A pregnancy lasts 9 months, an abortion lasts forever – having an abortion in response to the troubles associated with having a child is akin to cutting down a whole forest as a response to the worry about a forest fire.
Fine as I said you would never agree with me however I’d like to know what you feel about coulterfan’s comments. He makes some very valid ones.
The fact is that you are only seeing things from one side. I am sure you have NEVER left America or really your home town except to visit other like minded people.
You have never integrated with other people who offer an alternative view. Since you are always pulling rank on partisan lines then lets say I’m sure you barely integrate with ‘liberal’ christians.
Mark you don’t talk like you understand who Jesus was. There is little compassion or understanding in your intepretation of anything. You sound like a nice man with a nice family but you also sound like the bullies who go outside clinics terrorising women who make this difficult choice.
Okay fine you don’t believe in abortion, who gives you the right to show little compassion to those who make decisions that are not yours.
Jesus showed compassion to the gentiles and to Mary Magdalene, those who the world had ostracised and a woman made decisons that were not what he would have made.
You are JEREMIAH have lost your way. Instead to shooting bullets of commands at people, try encouraging your faith through understanding. It goes a longer way.
I’m not saying you have to accept the act, but compassion towards the a person and understanding will go a longer way because in the end the woman is still alive and she will need God too.
Making her feel like a murderer probably will not help her walk with Christ.
Noonan,
An abstract of emergent care following a “coat hanger” abortion in 1993 CE in the US state of Colorado.
We do not understand that if a woman goes to a doctor to abort her child growing inside her how is she not an accessory? At Law the punishment for a woman who took her child to a man to have it killed is also guilty by aiding and abetting of Murder in the First degree. If abortion is made illegal the hard choice for those who are politically anti abortion is that women who choose to have the procedures done will become criminals as well as their physicians. This will be a socially unpopular path when the first victim of sexual assault is found guilty of murdering her unborn child that is a product of rape. Would you call a judge who suspended her sentence an activist judge?
Not that anybody cares…but here goes my two cent’s.
I honestly believe that at very high percentage of women that have abortions, think long and hard about the choice that they are going to make. I would like to disagree with the consensus that “only low income” or “people of non-white backgrounds” are the majority of women that have abortions.
As a female, I feel that abortion is a PERSONAL decision that can only be made by the one that is going to undergo the procedure. The women is the one who has to live with her decision. Weather I am pro-choice or anti. Is not what I bring to this board, but rather I would like to know how many of the “conservatives” out there want more government control about their day to day activities. What’s next? Are we going to need permission from the government to get a tattoo? Our ears pierced? To do anything to our own bodies? I know that the other examples are not to the degree as such an issue of abortion, but once you get that ball rolling where does it stop?
My personal thought on this issue of abortion is not where I am going with this. I consider myself a conservative, but I also feel really strong about not having anybody tell me what I can or can not do.
It might be argued that with more education, easier accessibility to birth control, we could reduce the abortion rate, and if you look at the statics from the CDC the abortion rate has been on the decline since around 1995, all due to things like education so on and so on.
As for Cavalor, they say that “ignorance is bliss”, your statements make me wonder if you might not be the most blissful person out there!
Sorry…when I made this post I didnt realize there was already a “plainjane”.
Will have to change my name in the future.
Dasein: Tribal customs aside, in Europe (and we are Eurocentric even if liberals would have you believe otherwise) abortion was not just socially unacceptable; those so engaged were prosecuted for ancillary crimes.
Boy, that’s a little tenuous, don’t you think? As tenuous as it is, I think you have to concede that you have to go even further and inject a “sometimes” in there as well. In other words, “those so engaged were sometimes prosecuted for ancillary crimes”. However you feel about that, you certainly can’t say they always were prosecuted, specifically or ancillarily (is that a word?), even when it was commonly known that an abortion had taken place. It is also impossible to deny that over the years some very prominent scholars in the Catholic Church condoned it under certain circumstances. I’m thinking most specifically of Augustine and Aquinas, both of whom are now considered saints. I’m not saying they’re right. But if they aren’t, who is? The obvious answer to that is… God. But how do we know what God thinks? We can’t for sure. Suffice it to say that different people, different groups, even different religions, thought different things at different times. So I think it’s fair to propose a distinction between canonical imperatives (i.e., beliefs that are required if one is to truly adhere to a particular sect, denomination, or church) and moral imperatives (i.e., beliefs that are required if one is to truly adhere to a belief in God). Many people are inclined to convolve the two. That is, they are inclined to think that whatever church they belong to is the one true church, and anyone who disagrees doesn’t really believe in God even if they claim they do. Is that fair? More specifically… is that American?
I vehemently disagree with the kind of attitude that suggests that any one sect has a monopoly on “truth”. IMO, there are many ways up the mountain. Thus, I am inclined to make a distinction between “truths” which are universal and those which are not. It’s rarely black and white of course. It is far more often a matter of degree. For example, virtually every religion professes a belief in the sanctity of life. But likewise, virtually all of them make a distinction between plant life and animal life most broadly, and between animal life and human life more specifically. The most obvious exception to the latter among the major religions is Hinduism, but others have variations on the theme. Even in Christianity there is a notion of “stewardship”.
Likewise, in virtually all religions there is some kind of distinction between the physical and the metaphysical — between the material and the spiritual, or between body and soul. Far more specific to particular sects are notions of how they merge into one, and how they ultimately separate again. I’ll spare you a discourse on comparative religion. Suffice it to say that many of the most contentious issues that confront us now, here in the US (regardless of whether people recognize them as such or not) have very much to do with the question of exactly when soul meets body and when they depart: Abortion, fetal stem cell research, in-vitro fertilization, cloning, Terry Schiavo, Dr. Kevorkian, even S-CHIP… all of them revolve around that concept. And I will go so far as to say that nothing in the argument makes much sense except in that context.
those who are in favor of abortion just haven’t thought about it while those who aren’t in favor of a ban on abortion haven’t thought about it enough.
And those who simply wait for the church to tell them what to believe do no thinking at all. Exhibit A: Mark Noonan.
Rico,
In your examination of the “sometimes” anomaly, you should be aware that application of common law for the purpose of punishment of to instill penitence has always been situational. Prostitution and gambling, as a criminal enterprise has been viewed as victimless at various stages in our history, yet, in all stages, in one fashion or other both have been unlawful. Has every prostitute been charged? Has every gambler been arrested? Has every woman engaged in midwifery been tried and convicted for endangering the public or practicing medicine without a license in those jurisdictions where midwife laws exist to forbid such practices?
Condoned, allowed or accepted abortion is the question. In answer to the previous question regarding my personal beliefs I oppose abortion in all cases except one; in my belief system all persons on this earth are secondary to my wife. If I were to have to decide, God forbid, between the life of my wife and that of my yet born child I would have to condone abortion of the child. That is the only exception I would make. My wife however would decide the opposite and sacrifice herself before murdering the child. (Ironically, if her choice were between me and our daughter, I’d be toast.)
To clarify; this isn’t a religious conviction on my part, it’s a belief system.
Which is why I wonder about your descent into a religious conversation when responding to my post. I haven’t brought faith or religion into the argument at all. My point was to defuse the “it was legal before it was illegal” argument that the pro-abortion crowd toss around. Going back to colonial common law it was never “legal” it simply was not addressed, much as transvestites and homosexuality wasn’t addressed as a matter of law. But, if you left your house in a prom dress and wondered down to the docks for a “date” you’d better hope the constabulary arrests you for “disturbing the peace” before the longshoremen find you.
Anyway, I would respectfully disagree that “ many of the most contentious issues that confront us now, here in the US [] have very much to do with the question of exactly when soul meets body and when they depart.” I believe that the issue is much more corporeal; if society loses its respect for the person human, then there is no guarantee that my life will be respected. I’ve heard it theorized that the atheist is best served by praying that there is a supreme being to whom we all must answer, as without Him there is nothing to stop our mortal overlords from abusing the authority we grant them and vacating the rights we granted ourselves.
Fraud wrote, “When the Apostle Paul had posited universal love between men as the foundation of his Christian community, extreme intolerance on the part of Christendom toward those who remain outside it became the inevitable consequence.” In other words, Christianity; a religion of universal acceptance whose first order of business is the universal exclusion of all not like minded.
But, I digress.
Plain,
Insufficient and clearly an entry written by a pro-abortion propagandist. You’ll have to do much better than that – and, also, I was referring to prior to Roe, though I didn’t make that clear. If that was a real case, it was because the girl was told often enough that such things were once tried. They never were, as far as I can determine.
As for whether it is a “personal” decision – its not; it involves another life. A mother does not own her unborn child because no human being can own another. Period. End of story. Thanks for playing.
Lilly,
I don’t make women who have been victimised by the abortion industry feel like they are murderers…the abortions they are bamboozled into having make them feel that way. As I’ve said elsewhere, I’ve met women who have had abortions and it is partially due to their entreaty that I am so adamant against it. Out of a compassionate desire to spare people that sort of pain, I want abortion banned. The dead child is out of it after the abortion is complete – and my primary concern is with those women who were fooled into having an abortion (fooled? Yes, fooled…because you can’t rationally expect a woman to think, “hey, lets kill the child”…all elective abortions are ultimately the result of a woman pressured into having one…pressured by society which says having a child is a problem, pressured by boyfriends who don’t want responsibility, pressured by counselors at Planned Parenthood who make a lot of money off abortions…).
And I fail to see how my two years of living in Italy and my extensive experience around the world would make me more understanding of the insane desire to kill unborn children.
Ok, let’s sum up this conversation…
Conservatives are racist…abortion is a race issue…anyone that has faith in Christ is a nut…and if you follow our Lord’s commandments you are naive. Oh the world through Cav’s eyes!
I can honestly say I can’t remember the last time I heard someone so full of @#&*. You speak in “word salad” (you know, all tossed together), have an absolute conspiracy theorist’s view on things, and your general arguments are based on what? Things you have read on the internet? Came to you in a dream, vision, or whatever the hell you want to call it? You have quoted one man’s view, so you have one man and his religion (Roman Catholic) that you are basing Christian Conservatives on for the past how many years? Going back to Nixon, or are you going back further in history?
As for the questions posted by people from planet Earth…
coulterfan…I think abortion should be an option when it’s medically necessary, or if it’s not a viable fetus…otherwise it’s murder. What that punishment should be, well, it’s not my call. But if you think for a minute that it’s not being used as birth control, you’re being naive.
Where did I get my views on this? Christianity and growing up believing God’s word. Don’t get me wrong, I have not always done as He would like, have made mistakes, and am no where near perfect (I still call people as I see ‘em, if you’re an idiot, you’re an idiot…some people may view it as being mean, I view it as being honest). But I am human, I ask for forgiveness, and try to correct my issues. I don’t seek to pass laws legalizing behavior that goes against what I know God doesn’t approve of. Do I personally judge the people that have had abortions? No, absolutely not. It’s not my place to judge. Do I hate them? Again, absolutely not. Hate the sin, not the sinner.
For those of you who still feel like the child is not a child until after it leaves the womb full term, read this story, don’t bother with the rest, I’m not forcing religion on anyone…just read the story.
“very often, self destructive behaviour she engages in after having the abortion.”
Noonan, Please provide verifiable information of this self destructive behaviour. Thanks. :)
Dasein: Fraud wrote…
Mind you, I don’t disagree with all that you said. But if ever there was a Freudian slip, that would be it.
Mark,
In response to “Insufficient and clearly an entry written by a pro-abortion propagandist.” Don’t make me gag. Just because my view on one subject might differ from yours, it does not make me a “propagandist”. I was not even responding to anything you said on the issue( “I was referring to prior to Roe,”).
I am guessing you were also outraged when Bush approved the morning after pill (what went wrong there?). No one..no one, will ever tell me what I can do with my body, not my parents, husband, children… and God forbid, the government!
And speaking of God, he will be the only one in judgement of my behavior or actions. Not someone that claims to be a “christian” whom stands in judgement of others. Nothing makes me laugh more then a hypocritical christian!
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