26 Comments

• 1. John Ryan  |  December 13th, 2007 at 6:55 pm

  Show a poll please that shows that the Democrats are in trouble please. Or actually show several and take an average NO CHERRY PICKING PLEASE !!

• 2. omnitheist  |  December 13th, 2007 at 7:35 pm

  The democratic congress is devastated by the recent progress in Iraq. They hate the fact that it looks like we’re finally going to finish the job over there.

  C.H. aka omnitheist
  http://www.unitedworldforpeace.blogspot.com

• 3. Ricorun  |  December 13th, 2007 at 7:55 pm

  Interestingly, the last link in Matt’s topic (Surge’s success holds chance to seize the moment in Iraq) includes the following:

  Beyond benchmarks, the military progress has been paralleled by a less aggressive stance by Iran, creating another opening. Iran has enormous influence in Iraq, particularly in Shiite regions. More aggressive diplomacy of the kind advocated by the bipartisan Iraq Study Group would help — even a regional conference such as the one the United States recently hosted in Annapolis, Md., to restart Middle East peace talks.

  Perhaps he expected no one to notice, but in that linked article are links to the recommendations of the Iraq Study Group. Remember that? Remember as well the amount of animosity it generated on the conservative side of the aisle? Well guess what — just about everything they recommended is what Bush is now doing. Go figure.

• 4. LiberalMind  |  December 13th, 2007 at 7:56 pm

  Just proving to America that to get past Republican obstructionism of what Americans want, more Dems must be elected to Congress.

  Democrats pass bills only to have Republicans filibuster them.

  And the “liberal” media blames this on Democrats?

  Yeah, right……

• 5. TiredofLibBullShit  |  December 13th, 2007 at 8:03 pm

  JR……

  Polls????? Why do you need a poll to show what they are saying amongst themselves??? You need a poll to show you the fingerpointing that’s going on? Pelosi pointing fingers at Reid and Reid pointing fingers at Pelosi - a poll is going to show you that.

  The problem is the libs take any little accusation, situation or investigation and try to score political points off of them and it blows up in their faces when nothing becomes of them. Look at Iraq…..libs preached nothing but doom and gloom, now they are making real progress, and the libs are stuck with their politicizing positions and blown out of proportion accusations, and Reid still denying that the surge is not working —- result the libs are making themselves look like fools, out of touch and the political opportunists that they are.

  Yep a poll is going to show you that………..no wonder you libs are self destructing.

• 6. Ricorun  |  December 13th, 2007 at 8:05 pm

  Let me expand on a point I made in my last post: Well guess what — just about everything they [the ISG] recommended is what Bush is now doing.

  Apparently the ISG wasn’t such a bunch of dopes as many conservatives thought. Then again, the Dems have made no attempt to capitalize on their initial support of it. Nothing. Never. What a bunch of dopes.

• 7. AgentFear  |  December 13th, 2007 at 8:57 pm

  That darn lib biased main stream media!

• 8. Magnum Serpentine  |  December 13th, 2007 at 9:01 pm

  I have a better suggestion… Lets elect Independents, to the Congress. No Obstructionist Republicans, No Demo-publicans, no Spineless Democrats… and No Libertarians.

  Just plain simple Independents who do not answer to Fundamentalist Right or Lobbyist.

• 9. plainjane  |  December 13th, 2007 at 9:08 pm

  House Democrats just passed Alternative Minimum Tax relief only to have Senate Republicans filibuster it. Republicans filibustering tax cuts for the average American is crazy politics. Their hatred and disbelief they are not in total control of the government any more just will not sink in. AMT impacts many average Americans; they will not forget this Republican obstruction. America is just starting to take aim; more Republican Senate seats look like they are in play. Even the Senate seat of the Southern State of Virginia will be a Democratic net in 2008. 01/20/09

• 10. Casper  |  December 13th, 2007 at 9:22 pm

  Magnum Serpentine,
  Amen!

• 11. Almiranta  |  December 13th, 2007 at 10:46 pm

  irony: plainjane accusing someone else–AHYONE else—of “hatred”.

  Gotta love it.

  No, janie, once again you completely miss the point. Once again your sour view of the world dictates what can and can’t percolate through into your teeny tiny brain.

  Do you even know how the filibuster came about? Do you have the slightest idea of why it was developed?

  Short course: It was developed to allow the minority party to force debate on LEGISLATIVE issues and not be steamrollered into a vote by a more powerful majority party.

  Which is, by the way, EXACTLY how it is being used now.

  As opposed to the way the Dems abused and misused it by using it to block the “advise and consent” clause of the Constitution and actually prevent the vote the Constitution says the Senate MUST take regarding presidential nominees.

  Do try to keep up, janie.

  But back to the thread. It was, quite simply, about the fact that even the Agenda Media are forced to write about discord within the Dem party. And of course the point that such discord must be pretty obvious and pretty serious to force the Left-leaning media to acknowledge it.

  Nothing more, nothing less.

  But it sure got the Usual Suspects of the Lemming Left out in force, if only to post irrelevant and nonsensical silliness.

  BTW, I would like to call attention to MagSerpent and his anti-religious bias. Note the term “Fundamentalist Right”—nice try, Maggott, trying to pretend that the Right is that dreaded “RELIGIOUS Right” you all love to whine about.

  Let’s see you carry on when your beloved Dems are campaigning IN churches, when they have pastors instructing their congregations to vote Dem, when they are carrying Bibles and posturing as true-blue Christians. Somehow I think your position will be truly serpentine.

• 12. Magnum Serpentine  |  December 14th, 2007 at 12:35 am

  For the Record I am an Episcopalian Main Line Christian.

  Remember vote independent and may Christ bless you all.

• 13. Thrower  |  December 14th, 2007 at 3:03 am

  I’m with Magnum and Casper. Get rid of both of these sorry and corrupt parties and support people who aren’t wholly owned subsidiaries of multinational corporations.

  And Almiranta, you need to go back to the history books. The filibuster has not just been used to allow minority parties to avoid being steamrollered. It was used for 75 years by 22 southern senators to maintain a stranglehold over the lives of black Americans despite the contrary wishes of mainstream senators of both political parties. I would commend the second volume of Robert Caro’s excellent and critical biography of LBJ entitled “Master of the Senate” if you would like a better understanding of the uses of the filibuster. I am confident you would agree that Strom Thurmond’s 1957 24-hour and 18 minute reading of documents that included the Declaration of Independence, the Bill of Rights and George Washington’s farewell address in an attempt to keep blacks from securing voting rights in the south, does not qualify as “debate.”

  You are a bright and well informed lady but your prejudices are as strong as those of the posters you criticize. I would be interested in seeing your intellectual firepower directed at something other than blind defense of everything Republican. It might lead you to a more balanced view of the mess these two parties are making of our country.

• 14. Kahn  |  December 14th, 2007 at 3:04 am

  First off, I just got in from an excruciating travel day that started in Connecticut, then to Providence, then to a VERY long train ride (in lew of my canceled flight), then a very long taxi ride to my car, and finally a fog filled drive home.

  But one glance at the current Drudge Report says it all.

  Oh, and about polls, well this week there was one in Ohio and one in Virginia. Real polls, and Republicans won.

• 15. Kahn  |  December 14th, 2007 at 3:35 am

  Thrower:
  Civil Rights act of 1964
  By party

  The original House version:

  * Democratic Party: 153-96 (64%-39%)
  * Republican Party: 138-34 (80%-20%)

  The Senate version:

  * Democratic Party: 46-22 (68%-32%)
  * Republican Party: 27-6 (82%-18%)

  The Senate version, voted on by the House:

  * Democratic Party: 153-91 (63%-37%)
  * Republican Party: 136-35 (80%-20%)

• 16. Kahn  |  December 14th, 2007 at 3:40 am

  Thrower
  The Voting Rights Act of 1965

  Vote count

  The two numbers in each line of this list refer to the number of representatives voting in favor and against the act, respectively.

  Senate: 77–19

  * Democrats: 47–17
  * Republicans: 30–2

  House: 333–85

  * Democrats: 221–61
  * Republicans: 112–24

  Conference Report:

  Senate: 79–18

  * Democrats: 49–17
  * Republicans: 30–1

  House: 328–74

  * Democrats: 217–54
  * Republicans: 111–20

  Some votes were not included due to some members’ absence.

• 17. Goldwater  |  December 14th, 2007 at 4:51 am

  Time to abandon the Republican charade, it’s been pirated and it’s headed even more downhill with every passing day.

  Next your going to tell me that amnesty for illegals is a good thing.

• 18. Huck Fillary  |  December 14th, 2007 at 5:49 am

  Show a poll please that shows that the Democrats are in trouble please. Or actually show several and take an average NO CHERRY PICKING PLEASE !!

  Show a poll please that shows you’re not a brain-dead lemming idiot.

  No, janie, once again you completely miss the point. Once again your sour view of the world dictates what can and can’t percolate through into your teeny tiny brain.

  Teeny-tiny bovine mind…

• 19. Huck Fillary  |  December 14th, 2007 at 6:01 am

  Just plain simple Independents who do not answer to Fundamentalist Right or Lobbyist.

  Dream on, Little Snake. Nobody makes it in politics without pandering, or accepting money from special interests. Not even your hero, Silky Pony. Not even Earbama. Not even Hitlery.

• 20. neocon  |  December 14th, 2007 at 8:11 am

  This was Pelosi in January:

  >>>>>In January, Nancy Pelosi (D-CA), newly-elected Speaker of the House of Representatives, pledged a “100-Hour Plan” for reform. One of the reforms scheduled for the first legislative day of the plan was to institute a “pay-as-you-go” policy on the annual budget to reduce the deficit. According to a press release issued by Speaker Pelosi on January 5, 2007, House Democrats “got straight to work [that] week by passing the toughest Congressional ethics reform in history. [They broke] the link between lobbyists and legislation: banning gifts and travel from lobbyists and organizations that retain or employ them, banning travel on corporate jets, shutting down the K Street project, subjecting all earmarks to the full light of day, and reinstating the strict rules of pay-as-you-go budgeting.”<<<<<<>>>>Nancy has spent $16,058 on flowers since assuming her Speakershiphoodness last January. Overall, she has outspent Denny Hastert’s final year by 63%. (Nancy spent over $3-million to Dennie’s $1.8.) <<<<<<

  The reason why the Dems are imploding is because they are liars, frauds, power hungry trolls with no vision or leadership abilities.

• 21. neocon  |  December 14th, 2007 at 8:36 am

  Algore flies in on his private jet and continues to hate America:

  >>>Al Gore savaged the US government’s “obstructing” attitude and urged delegates at the UN conference on climate change to ignore Washington if necessary to pursue the “moral imperative” of a new global regime. “My country is principally responsible for obstructing progress here in Bali,” the former US vice-president told 2,000 of the 12,000 people attending the conference on Thursday. “[But] over the next two years the United States is going to be somewhere it is not now.”<<<<<

  Despite the following:

  ****India and China have already said they won’t do anything that curbs their industrial and economic development. *****

  And you wonder why the left is deemed to be psychopathic?

• 22. Thrower  |  December 14th, 2007 at 12:08 pm

  We’re not arguing history Kahn. Senate Republicans in the Senate were generally in favor of civil rights, as were Northern Democrats. The leader of the support for the Civil Rights Act of 1957 was California Republican William Knowland, and the opposition was led by Georgia Democrat Richard Russell.

  It was probably the significant inroads Eisenhower made into gaining black voters in 1952 and 1956 that woke Lyndon Johnson to the reality that the Republican party was becoming the preferred party of those blacks who actually did vote. It is that reality that likely broke the logjam, and provided the Democratic votes necessary to pass meaningful legislation.

  The irony of the situation was that most Southern Democrats defected from the Democratic party after the two landmark civil rights acts of the 60s, and became part of the Republican governing coalition that has dominated politics for the last 40 years. Although virtually all of them moderated their views of civil rights, a cynic would say that growing numbers of black voters made that a necessity if they were to remain in office.

• 23. neocon  |  December 14th, 2007 at 12:25 pm

  Thrower,

  In 1976, Jimmah Carter carried every southern state. And then in 1992 and 1996, Clinton carried many southern states. So your assertion that “most” southern Democrats defected in the 60’s just isn’t supported by the facts.

• 24. Kahn  |  December 14th, 2007 at 12:58 pm

  Thrower, I thought your Strom Thurmand post deserved some perspective. We have our warts, you have yours. But I can point to more than a single filibuster to highlight Democratic participation in discrimination and suppression of blacks. Much more. Truth is, Republicans were (and are) overwhelmingly for Civil Rights. We also define civil rights differently and in some ways more broadly than do Democrats.

  Freedom of Speech, especially in political discourse is a civil right that is now heavily restricted. The right to bear arms is a civil right that is heavily restricted. And the right to life is a civil right that is easily bypassed if the victim can be defined as “not yet human”. A VERY similar argument was used by your party to justify slavery and tens of decades of discrimination against blacks.

  I disagree with your post Civil Right analysis. The Republican “Southern Strategy” was to go after religious and gun rights voters. The Democratic response to the Civil Rights laws was to institute addictive welfare laws. Our problem, in my opinion has been balancing the “morality” views with clearly discriminatory laws and practices against homosexuals.

  What I lament, is that many Republicans have abandoned the actual Southern Strategy (Rudy, for one example). In several elections here in Virginia it’s been the Democrats who are better on the 2nd Amendment and other issues.

  I wonder how much thought has gone into this on both sides? I think Mark Warner, our former governor will run for John Warner’s Senate seat. And, I think he’ll win. John Warner is a long time senator, a former marine, and a RINO. Mark Warner was a good governor. He overturned stupid gun laws put in place by stupid RINO’s. I think he was flagged off the presidential election because this was supposed to be Hillary’s year. Too bad - he was your best shot at the southern vote.

• 25. Goldwater  |  December 15th, 2007 at 1:00 am

  What both sides have to learn is that both sides going off on each other accomplishes the main goal….. divide and conquer. Keep sitting around with petty playground arguments while “they” take care of the real business.

• 26. Almiranta  |  December 17th, 2007 at 7:14 pm

  Thrower, please try to read what I actually write and respond to that. I said that the filibuster was ” …developed to allow the minority party to force debate on LEGISLATIVE issues and not be steamrollered into a vote by a more powerful majority party.”

  Note the word “DEVELOPED”.

  I did not ever state that it had been, as you claim, “…..JUST been used to allow minority parties to avoid being steamrollered.”

  Also, if you ever read my posts, you should be very aware that I am a conservative who votes Republican because they, for the most part, tend to govern more closely to my own principles than the Democrats. Again…”TEND TO VOTE MORE CLOSELY….”

  I am not a Utopian. I do not hold out for perfection. I have often said, for example, that I do not think George W. Bush is the best man for the job he holds. I have gone on to say that I believe he was the best man running for that job—I am a pragmatist, and I don’t have to think Bush is ideal to still believe he is far better than our other two choices would have been. (And by the way, I base that not only on what I knew of them before the election but on what I have seen since then.)

  And you would have seen my many many pointed criticisms of the GOP as it exists today.

  So please do not make false accusations regarding what you allege to be my “…blind defense of everything Republican.”

  In a prior post, a newer thread which I visited before diving back into the archives, I suggested that people visit Gingrich’s web site to view his proposal that we drop the R’s and D’s and start to come together as a nation to address the real issues and find real solutions.

  There are some who passionately defend any position purely on its political pedigree. I am not one of those people. I said as plain as day that when it comes to immigration, I thought Bush had “lost his mind”. I’ve suggested that I think the country is ripe for a third party, one which goes beyond the name-calling and partisan hysterics we see today and actually asks people what PROBLEMS they want solved and how they would like them addressed.

  So go back and rethink your accusations, Thrower—because they brand YOU as blindly partisan.