Bad News for Giuliani
January 22nd, 2008 at 06:57am Mark Noonan
If this is true, then only a massive win in Florida can save the day for Giuliani:
NEW YORK (Reuters) - Former New York City mayor Rudy Giuliani is trailing in the race for the Republican presidential nomination even on his home turf of New York state, a new poll showed on Monday.
The WNBC/Marist poll ahead of the February 5 primaries in New York showed 34 percent of registered Republicans support John McCain, compared to 23 percent for Giuliani. Among Republicans likely to vote, McCain kept his 34 percent support, while Giuliani was tied in second place with Mitt Romney at 19 percent.
McCain’s campaign has been boosted by wins in New Hampshire and South Carolina in the state-by-state race to pick the two candidates to contest the November 4 election to succeed President George W. Bush.
Giuliani, whose once large lead in national polls has evaporated, largely bypassed early voting states and focused on Florida, which votes on January 29.
The time is fast approaching when we’ll know for certain if Giuliani’s campaign plan is genious, or bone-headed. I’m leaning towards bone-headed…it just doesn’t make a lot of sense to completely ignore the early contests. Heck, even a strong third place showing would have been better than the non-existence Giuliani has been in during the process to date. Of course, I could still be proven wrong here.
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1. Rudy Giuliani » Bad&hellip | January 22nd, 2008 at 7:59 am
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2. Diana Powe | January 22nd, 2008 at 8:25 am
The desperate straits the Giuliani campaign finds itself in (paid staffers “voluntarily” going without pay this month) shows up in his latest ad which all but paints him as the only person in the United States who didn’t succumb to panic on September 11, 2001.
3. Magnum Serpentine | January 22nd, 2008 at 8:28 am
I think Giuliani should pull out of the race and hit the speaker circuit.
4. Diana Powe | January 22nd, 2008 at 8:34 am
Well, we know that giving speeches for large paychecks was more important than being part of some lame National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States. After all, what would he know about that kind of thing?
5. John Mccain » Bad N&hellip | January 22nd, 2008 at 8:44 am
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6. Romney » Bad News f&hellip | January 22nd, 2008 at 9:00 am
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7. Mitt Romney » Bad N&hellip | January 22nd, 2008 at 9:11 am
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8. AgentFear | January 22nd, 2008 at 9:33 am
BFD.
His nomination and unlikely victory would have done nothing but continue the national nightmare of the embarrassing Bush 2 administration.
I thank God for small favors.
9. plainjane | January 22nd, 2008 at 9:59 am
Looks more and more like the Repugs are turning towards Bush Lite McCain. McCain’s pro-war stance plays well in the Republican primaries, will be interesting to see how it plays out in the general election. I also think the Huckster’s main cheerleader Chuck Norris was wrong in calling McCain too old to be President. Too much of a neocon ass kisser, but not too old.
10. Diana Powe | January 22nd, 2008 at 12:12 pm
Giuliani has ludicrously tied his campaign on his imaginary ability to combat terror and hopes that Florida voters will hand him a big win. Today, President George W. Bush-appointed U. S. District Judge Marcia G. Cooke sentenced American citizen Jose Padilla to 17 years and 4 months for being an al-Qaeda supporter and gave him a reduced sentence because of the way the Government treated him while he was held incommunicado without criminal charges for 2 1/2 years:
11. Joe | January 22nd, 2008 at 1:02 pm
As for Giuliani…
He skips all the early contests and aims for Florida (with a bunch of New Yorkers who have retired down there), and on Feb 5th states New York, New Jersey and Connecticut (3 states that actually know who he is) to push him to the nomination.
Do you people really want someone that seems to know he can’t win anywhere else?
12. BushisNero | January 22nd, 2008 at 1:58 pm
Bad news for Thompson supporters?
Thompson drops out.
Fox News reports that former Tennesee senator Fred Thompson is dropping out of the Republican race for President. Via Fox reporter Carl Cameron:
Hmmm…I told you the only REAL republican candidate you had, Chuck Hagel, should have been your nominee.
But no…your neocon megalomaniac ideals took over and you have this sorry remnant of candidates to work with.
Good for you. Traitors.
I wish your 401K’s take you right to the poor house.
Or, do we get another round of cheers for Bush?
Pray. Just pray.
13. westmich | January 22nd, 2008 at 2:19 pm
McCain will get the nomination and will hopefully go onto to be president. IMHO, there is a big Evangelical vote in FL and SC and there is no way a Mormon is going to win those states. Rommney has a the best chance in the North East, but he has to split votes with Giuliani there.
14. sleepygene | January 22nd, 2008 at 3:36 pm
Rudy Guilliani is done, he will come in third in Florida and be out of the race in time to go Tampa for Yankee spring training where he will dry hump Jeter’s leg while shagging A-Rod’s balls. He was never a serious candidate. He thought being Mayor 911 would be enough to win, it ain’t. You have to campaign hard everywhere pressing the flesh with voters. That is why McCain is leading, he is a tenacious campaigner.
15. Almiranta | January 22nd, 2008 at 5:11 pm
Just what we need—a flurry of BDSers posturing as GOP pundits.
Tempered, of course, by the cattiness of Diana and the uber-cattiness of the plainest of janes. Saucers of milk all round, please.
Republicans are idealists, up to a point. Each of us has in mind his or her ideal candidate, and each has a hard time passing on that ideal.
But as the field narrows, we will, as usual, allow our pragmatic sides to come forth, and will support our candidate because it is so clear, so blatantly and blindingly clear, that the worst of ours is so superior to the best of theirs.
I don’t like McCain. I don’t like his pandering to gain popularity, as he did when he put together the Gang of Whatever, and I really really REALLY don’t like his wacko immigration stance. McCain-Feingold was a disaster, and is having an ongoing and negative impact on campaigning. But I would prefer him to a man who turns his back on our flag and refuses to show any respect for our pledge of allegiance, or for a woman who has flipped the ultimate flip-flop and reinvented herself as a moderate after a lifelong history as a radical Socialist, even if she didn’t intend to drag the crotch-sniffer-in-chief back into the White House.
Mitt and Rudy are both capable and pragmatic administrators who believe in the Constitution as it was written. I think the whining about Rudy’s position on abortion is ridiculous. The President’s effect on things like abortion rest on his or her Supreme Court appointments and, possibly, on veto power—though a competent originalist will make sure that the issue never gets to his desk but is placed fimly in the power of the individual states, where it belongs.
One thing about McCain—he can’t be subject to the hysterical and vicious accusations of being (gasp!!!) a CHICKEN HAWK—unlike the entire Dem field, I hasten to point out.
I love it that the Dems have painted themselves into the corner of having only three choices for Commander in Chief, one of whom has bragged about “loathing the military” and who backed the denial of the basic respect for the military leaders of our country by refusing to allow them to wear their uniforms in the White House, a man who openly disdains all forms of pubic respect to his flag and his national pledge of allegiance, and a shyster whose only claim to fame has been his ability to sucker gullible people into accepting false science and sticking it to insurance companies, resulting in the driving of thousands of practitioners out of business and raising medical costs by raising malpractice insurance rates for those who remain. Each of whom, by the way, would clearly be qualified to be called a Chicken Hawk—-another case of the Unintended Consequences that hound shortsighted Dems.
16. keefer | January 22nd, 2008 at 5:44 pm
I think Giuliani should pull out of the race and hit the speaker circuit.
Yeah, he can warm up the crowds for Slick.
Gloating again, Diana? What’s your point? Why don’t you believe in fighting terrorism? Treat it as a nuisance, do ya?
Way to go, janecow–you got your “neocons” in. It would help if you even knew what a neocon was, you silly cow…
17. keefer | January 22nd, 2008 at 5:57 pm
One thing about McCain—he can’t be subject to the hysterical and vicious accusations of being (gasp!!!) a CHICKEN HAWK—unlike the entire Dem field, I hasten to point out.
They’re not chickenhawks, Almiranta; they’re cut-and-run surrender monkeys and appeasers…
18. Diana Powe | January 22nd, 2008 at 6:33 pm
Almiranta,
“Cattiness”? Compared to your mongering of the discredited Hillary Clinton rumor that she wouldn’t let the military “wear their uniforms in the White House” and the Senator Obama smear that he “openly disdains all forms of pubic respect to his flag and his national pledge of allegiance”, my pointing out that Rudolph Giuliani has given varying reasons for spending his time making large sums giving speeches rather than serving his country and participating as a member of the Iraq Study Group is hardly “catty”.
[I must admit to being wrong here. I had previously posted that Giuliani had not kept his commitments to the 9-11 Commission. What I should have written was the Iraq Study Group. My error, entirely.]
Rudolph Giuliani is “pragmatic”, alright. He’s very pragmatic when it comes to making money. Maybe, not so much when he was, as a married man, having the NYPD guard his then-girlfriend, Judith Nathan, and chauffeur her and her family around in city vehicles at taxpayer’s expense. His pragmatic side might have told him that was wrong.
But, it’s nice to know that you’re always ready with the smear. By the way, do you know anything about who ran the campaign to say that Senator McCain had an illegitimate black daughter back when he and then-Governor Bush were vying for the nomination in 2000? The “liberal media” has been talking about it but doesn’t seem to have even a guess as to how it might have happened. You could sure help them out if you knew.
(Hey, what’s that in this photograph? It looks like a man in uniform! http://www.espionageinfo.com/images/eeis_01_img0220.jpg)
What are those? They look like Senator Obama with his hand over his heart along with other people. http://mediamatters.org/items/200710240006?f=h_latest
19. Diana Powe | January 22nd, 2008 at 6:37 pm
Almiranta,
?Cattiness?? Compared to your mongering of the discredited Hillary Clinton rumor that she wouldn?t let the military ?wear their uniforms in the White House? and the Senator Obama smear that he ?openly disdains all forms of pubic respect to his flag and his national pledge of allegiance?, my pointing out that Rudolph Giuliani has given varying reasons for spending his time making large sums giving speeches rather than serving his country and participating as a member of the Iraq Study Group is hardly ?catty?.
[I must admit to being wrong here. I had previously posted that Giuliani had not kept his commitments to the 9-11 Commission. What I should have written was the Iraq Study Group. My error, entirely.]
Rudolph Giuliani is ?pragmatic?, alright. He?s very pragmatic when it comes to making money. Maybe, not so much when he was, as a married man, having the NYPD guard his then-girlfriend, Judith Nathan, and chauffeur her and her family around in city vehicles at taxpayer?s expense. His pragmatic side might have told him that those actions were wrong and he shouldn’t do them because they might make him look like bad if he decided to run for president one day.
20. Diana Powe | January 22nd, 2008 at 6:38 pm
But, it’s nice to know that you’re always ready with the smear. By the way, do you know anything about who ran the campaign to say that Senator McCain had an illegitimate black daughter back when he and then-Governor Bush were vying for the nomination in 2000? The “liberal media” has been talking about it but doesn’t seem to have even a guess as to how it might have happened. You could sure help them out if you knew.
21. Diana Powe | January 22nd, 2008 at 6:40 pm
(Hey, what’s that in this photograph? It looks like a man in uniform! http://www.espionageinfo.com/images/eeis_01_img0220.jpg)
22. Christian Wright | January 22nd, 2008 at 8:10 pm
It is no surprize he is doing badly in New York. They know him better than the rest of the nation.
The FDNY blames him for the deaths of the firement on 9/11 in a Youtube video. Apparently he bought faulty walkie talkies for the fire department from a campaign contributor. The radios did not work well enough. The FDNY complained but Rudi did nothing. The firemen that died did not hear the evacuatiion order because of the faulty radios.
The firemen have been campaigning against Rudy on this issue since he entered the race. It did not get that much nation traction, but New York knows all about it.
23. neocon | January 22nd, 2008 at 9:27 pm
Almiranta,
You know you’ve defeated Diana in the debate when 1 post of yours elicits 5 from her.
The childish debate, that was the Democrats last, was embarrassing and has given conservatives a new sense of optimism. And we have the “change agents” to thank. This is starting to get good.
24. Diana Powe | January 22nd, 2008 at 9:32 pm
neocon,
No such luck. My five replies were actually one reply that I had to re-post in pieces because I kept falling afoul of the software which doesn’t like too much of whatever it doesn’t like too much of which causes your comment to be “Awaiting Moderation”.
25. Bob Taft | January 23rd, 2008 at 9:25 pm
Perhaps someone should bring it to the Party’s attention that Sir Rudolph Giuliani accepted a Title of Nobility(knighthood) from Queen Elizabeth in 2002, and having done so, is disqualified by Article I, Section 9 of the U.S. Constitution from holding office in the U.S. government. This could be particularly embarassing, seeing as how he is seeking the presidency.
26. john | February 27th, 2008 at 7:28 am
looks like the banditos are running the railroad……. Ciau!!