
The Clinton Brand II
January 28th, 2008 at 12:22pm Matt Margolis
I feel that I have to revive the debate over the Clinton brand following Ted Kennedy’s endorsement of Barack Obama.
First, let me say that the endorsement itself will probably have little impact. Last I heard, Hillary Clinton was leading in the polls in Massachusetts, and I’m not seeing Teddy’s endorsement swaying things back in Obama’s favor.
The real significance of the endorsement has to do with the implications of the endorsement within the party. For whatever reason, Senator Kennedy is a respected member of the Democratic Party. Unlike Kerry, who also endorsed Obama, he’s got no more potential climbs up the ladder, so it’s less like there was some political calculation behind the endorsement… that being the case, what does this say about the Democratic Party and their support for the Clintons? Let’s face it, this isn’t just about Hillary, it’s about Bill, too. And for Ted Kennedy to shun the Clintons is a big thing.
So, is this primary election causing a rift in the Democratic party? What happens if Hillary doesn’t get the nomination? What if she does? Discuss.

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21 Comments
1. Casper | January 28th, 2008 at 12:39 pm
I read a report that not only did Kennedy endorse Obama, he is campaigning for him. It could make everything very interesting.
2. OhioOrrin | January 28th, 2008 at 12:44 pm
here’s teddy’s endorsement -
(hiccup) “nINe NIne BoTtLeS bEEr on bAr raCK,
9 nIN BEerS…(breath)…oN bAR…,
TAkE doWN, PaSs ROuNd,
eIgHT BeERs on bAR…(burp)…TenDEr…”
one question - who’s buying…the next round!
3. Plainjane | January 28th, 2008 at 12:56 pm
this isn’t just about Hillary, it’s about Bill, too.
January 28th, 2008 at 12:22pm Matt Margolis
I will try to help you out, but you really need to open up to more information than what you are getting on the Hannity derail Hillary show, AM hate dial and Faux News.
Bill is not the problem he has about a 99% approval rating among Democrats. He does need to tone it down a bit. Senator Clinton jumped out to an early lead because she had name recognition, did her homework and raised lots and lots of money. However she eventually had to answer to main stream Democrats concerning her record via the debates. Senator Clinton grew up as a conservative and shaking this past may prove difficult. If you looked at her views, on balance, they are dead in the middle. Unfortunately during the primaries dead in the center is too far to the right for those who select the Party’s candidate. NAFTA and support for the neocon civil war are just two areas where she is having difficulty explaining her positions to those who vote in primaries. If she gets past the primaries she will do just fine in the general election because like her husband she will govern from the center.
What is funny is listening to the New York –Washington Republican axis of Faux, Hannity and Limbaugh just rake her over the coals for no other reason than she is a person from the South named Clinton. Doesn’t hurt they make lots of money by sliming her, knowing full well on many issues her views are more in line with them than any of the current Republican candidates.
Senator Kennedy’s endorsement is not so big as Caroline’s. If this starts the ball rolling for baby boomers that vision is more important than experience, Obama will leave Senator Clinton and any middle aged flavor of the month Republican gasping for air.
4. Retired Spook | January 28th, 2008 at 1:29 pm
I read a report that not only did Kennedy endorse Obama, he is campaigning for him. It could make everything very interesting.
Casper, I suspect he trying to atone for inadvertently referring to Barack as Osama Obama.
5. Hillary Clinton » T&hellip | January 28th, 2008 at 1:49 pm
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6. sleepygene | January 28th, 2008 at 1:52 pm
God I hope Obama can pull it off. A McCain/Obama race would be a dignified affair between two adults. I am soooooo sick of the Clintons I wish they would go away.
7. Dr.Vinny | January 28th, 2008 at 2:14 pm
PlainJane I agree. Caroline’s endorsement is monumental. It is pointless to discuss Senator Kennedy on this rightists blog because most of the wingers hate him just on general principal but with that being said I want to address Ohio’s comment about drunkeness. Winston Churchill and Richard Nixon.
This election is about change and the inevitable progression of the march of history. The young grow old and become marginalized and new youth takes their rightful place in forging their own destiny. This explains in part why more young people are independent or democratic leaning than buying into the authoritarianism of fear mongering and rank hypocracy that the “Republican” mode has offered throughout the last 8 years.
In other words the youth vote is more important than ever and they aren’t buying what has been sold anymore.
As was said in ‘68 “The whole world is watching”.
8. Crian | January 28th, 2008 at 2:27 pm
I think if Hillary doesn’t get the nomination, she will realize that it will be better for Senator Obama to win rather than have another republican generation of Presidents. I don’t think the Democratic party has splintered either but the competition has just become a little bit more intense than say the 2004 election.
9. phnx | January 28th, 2008 at 3:43 pm
“I don’t think the Democratic party has splintered either…”
Oh no???
1. ABC News’ Rick Klein Reports: Rev. Al Sharpton on Monday weighed in on the raging debate inside the Democratic Party over former President Bill Clinton’s advocacy on behalf of his wife’s campaign, with two choice words for the former president: “Shut up.”
2. Two-time presidential candidate Ralph Nader today sent out a brutal assessment of the Clinton dynasty to his e-mail list of supporters.
3. National Organization for Women Slams Ted Kennedy’s endorsement: ‘Women have just experienced the ultimate betrayal’…
And that’s just some of the blow back. Yes, its all hugs and kisses in the Dem party right now.
Keep dreaming moonbats.
BTW: Note Rush, Hannityand the GOP had nothing to do with this. Your guys and gals have formed a circular firing squad and are blasting away.
BBwwaaahahahahahahahaha!!!!
10. Joe | January 28th, 2008 at 3:53 pm
So two of the examples you give that the Dems have “splintered” is Al Sharpton and Ralph Nader?
To quote you….
BBwwaaahahahahahahahaha!!!!
11. Rich | January 28th, 2008 at 4:18 pm
Joe- I’m sure you check out DailyKos but if not, crusie on over there and see some Dem “Unity”. The website is being torn apart at the seems as Obama and Clinton partisans rip each other to shreds.
12. SteaM | January 28th, 2008 at 4:23 pm
Yeah Joe, not to mention sphinxter is whining because the Democrats are trying to pick a candidate that they like best.
At least we have two good choices rather than an old man, a baptist preacher, a mormon, and a 9ui11ani (mr american’s mayor who is slime and would rather just take over the world and keep us in fear with 911 statements).
13. Joe | January 28th, 2008 at 4:26 pm
Well Rich, no, I don’t usually read that blog. But upon your request I just went there.
I count 15 posts on the front page. Not one about Hillary/Obama… other than they WILL show up for the FISA vote (unlike McCain).
I see a lot of other posts on the FISA bill. I see a couple of open threads. Granted I didn’t read thru the open threads, so maybe that is where you are talking about all the hatred…. but I’m guessing not. I’m guessing Rush told you that dailykos was tearing themselves apart and you just swallowed it hook line and sinker.
14. Retired Spook | January 28th, 2008 at 4:28 pm
At least we have two good choices
That begs the obvious question, SteaM, good in what way?
15. neocon | January 28th, 2008 at 5:33 pm
The children that constitute the Democratic party are going to destroy each other over their perceived, and real prejudices. There is not a dimes worth of difference between Hillarys and Obama policies, so it comes to gender, race and the lack of experience.
And this just in, Rezko to stand trial Feb 28 on fraud charges. I can’t wait for November - 1/20/09
16. Rich | January 28th, 2008 at 5:56 pm
Sorry Joe I don’t listen to Rush. I teach during the day so it would be impossible. Nice use of a strawman though, and your snide attitude and condescension gets you bonus points. I actually read the dailykos to see the liberal mindset and at times find there are actually some interesting threads on science and entertainment. The past few weeks that site has literally come undone with gbcw diaries(goodbye cruel world), hit jobs, racial bickering, and overall clinton hatred. Your summary review of todays front page diaries, though accurate on the surface, really doesn’t paint the true picture of that site (and the lefts’) impending crackup. I forsee Clinton winning using a scorched-earth policy of continued race-baiting, and I don’t see blacks coming out to vote for her in the general.
17. FmrMarine | January 28th, 2008 at 6:25 pm
One can only hope with kennedy and kerry’s endorsement , more democrats will jump on the obama band wagon.
Pray this drives a steak through the heart of the clinton “legacy”.
Personally i think they are toast.
18. phnx | January 28th, 2008 at 6:25 pm
SteaM,
Far from whining, I am delighted that your guys and gals are fighting each other on racial and gender lines. So much the better for us.
Your post proves the point that you leftists are all about identity politics, dividing groups by what they are, not by what they believe. I hope that your party keeps it up through November.
Go ahead and laugh at Nader and Sharpton (why not we do), but do so at your own peril. You seem to forget that Nader cost Gore the election in 2000 with only 2.7% of the vote. Sharpton is a bafoon, but he can deliver black votes, or not if he decides he and his people have been dissed. It won’t take much to swing the vote and punish the Dem leadership.
You also seem to forget that the last time a Dem won the Presidency with a majority was 1976 when Jimmmah won wth 50.1% of the vote.
The Dem conundrum:
Hillary wins the candidacy resulting in blacks and the young failing to show due to disappointment over Obama…YOU LOSE
Obama wins the candidacy resulting in Hispanics and Dem blue collar white males failing to turn out due to racism…YOU LOSE
Add .5% of the vote from enviro wackos voting for Nader or writing in for Gore…YOU LOSE
BBwwwaaahahahahahahahaha!
November is looking better and better all the time.
19. Kurt Diekelman | January 29th, 2008 at 12:39 am
SteaM
Good choices are not a little kid who is only 3 years removed from taking ORDERS in the Illinois State Senate (he never stood up for himself here after he lost a Congressional primary he was told not to get into by 30%) and the ditzy Hillary who isnt sure if it is her or her so called husband running. I like the GOPs chances aginst either one of these inexperienced lightweights.
20. SteaM | January 29th, 2008 at 11:33 am
phynx,
I care about what Nader and Sharpton have to say and I support their rights to say it.
I decide on my favorite candidate by what they believe not their gender or race. To do otherwise would be ignorant and harmful to our democracy.
Kirk,
Obama is an intelligent man with a lot of life experience and some very refreshing progessive ideals. We cannot afford anything other than that at this time. We cannot afford another republican led government any longer if. If you haven’t noticed they have sent this country in the wrong direction.
He is not a “kid” and Hillary is far from ditzy and calling her that is childish, sophomoric, and hateful and you should be ashamed that people like yourself are dragging our democracy down to those levels. You should have more respect for your freedom and your system rather than try to harm it with misinformation and ignorance.
21. FmrMarine | January 29th, 2008 at 6:09 pm
steam
this optimizes your guy’s …..”life experience” and “refreshing progressive ideals”.
says a lot to where his “heart” will be!
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