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• 1. Iran » A Conservati&hellip  |  February 6th, 2008 at 4:06 am

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• 2. kjstrouble  |  February 6th, 2008 at 4:23 am

  I could not agree more. I hope more Republicans will come to this view. I too would have preferred Thompson to McCain, but will take McCain over any Democrat (especially Obama or Clinton). I know I can trust McCain’s values and vision better than I can trust Obama’s values and vision or Clinton’s following of the latest polling data.

• 3. TheHarbinger  |  February 6th, 2008 at 5:16 am

  You go Mark! Jump on that train!

  I bet your face looks like Emmett Kelly’s.

  BBBBBhhhhhhaaaaaahhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

• 4. Adrian  |  February 6th, 2008 at 5:45 am

  he’s now pledged himself to be with us on immigration and taxes.
  What does it mean? He cannot be trusted on immigration at least.

  Meet the Press 1/27/08:
  MR. RUSSERT: If the Senate passed your bill, S1433, the McCain-Kennedy Immigration Bill…

  SEN. McCAIN: Mm-hmm.

  MR. RUSSERT:…would you as president sign it?

  SEN. McCAIN: Yeah, but we–look, the lesson is it isn’t won…[followed by much babbling to get away from the "Yeah" response]

  That particular bill is dead, ok. But if it can be resurrected, or near clone of it put together, he’ll sign it with a clear conscience, forgetting all about his pledge to be with “us” on immigration.

  That’s not bitterness Mark, just a legitimate concern over one of the most important issues facing the country.

• 5. bozo the neoclown  |  February 6th, 2008 at 5:46 am

  HHhhmmmmm Ann Coulter may take issue with McCain winning the nomination. She said on Fox she wouls campaign for Clinton if McCain won the nomination.
  http://youtube.com/watch?v=HuTqgqhxVMc

• 6. keefer  |  February 6th, 2008 at 5:48 am

  Dang, Mark–my wife suggests I hold my nose in November and vote for McLame. I don’t know if I can; in fact, as I’ve stated before, here in MD, my GOP vote matters little. And, being that I’ll be in England, voting absentee, my vote probably won’t even get counted, because I expect MD will be a decisive Donkaroach win in November, and they won’t bother with the absentee ballots.

  IMHO, McLame and Chucklebee have pulled some nasty stuff on Romney, but you’re right–we need a united front against the tide of socialsm that is Hillbama…

• 7. Choose.Life.Not.War  |  February 6th, 2008 at 7:15 am

  If you dont vote for McCain, it’s EIGHT years of Hillary. You decide.

  And now that Mitt Romney’s five military aged sons wont be ’serving their country’ by helping to get ol’ dad elected Prez, maybe they can now ENLIST in this war their dad keeps telling us is just and necessary for the freedom of America ?

  Hello, Romney boys ? Anybody home ?

• 8. George  |  February 6th, 2008 at 7:21 am

  Adrian,

  If you can’t trust McCain when he says he’ll secure the borders first, then certainly you couldn’t trust Romney when he swore he was pro-life now.

• 9. Choose.Life.Not.War  |  February 6th, 2008 at 7:32 am

  Deleted - off topic

• 10. bagni  |  February 6th, 2008 at 7:53 am

  markcain
  your disdain for the opposition
  has forced you over to the dark side
  wow
  be careful what you wish for

• 11. Adrian  |  February 6th, 2008 at 8:10 am

  George,

  I think you can trust Romney on that though. People’s opinions can change and since he’s taken his pro-life stance he’s been consistent about it.

  McCain says he has heard America on immigration and he understands. But in the next breath he says that yes, he would sign the amnesty bill if it crossed his desk as President.

  That is not a guy who’s pledge to be with us on immigration means anything at all. He’s lying about it, plain and simple. Hopefully I’ll be shown wrong, because it looks like he’s going to get his chance.

• 12. steveGA  |  February 6th, 2008 at 8:11 am

  Let’s see…

  You supported Thompson until he lost.

  You supported Romney until he appears to have lost.

  You support McCain now while he appears to have won, but what will happen if Romney makes a comeback? You’ll jump ship (again) and support Romney.

  This isn’t about principles, policies, or issues for you, its about supporting party, pure and simple. Methinks if the Republican party trotted out a magical sock puppet as their candidate, you would support that sock puppet as well.

• 13. Zach  |  February 6th, 2008 at 8:28 am

  “This isn’t about principles, policies, or issues for you, its about supporting party, pure and simple.”

  You’re right and wrong there. It is about supporting the party. But then again, it’s about supporting the candidates issues/beliefs.

  For us Republicans out there..Whats the alternative? You either rally behind the nominee, or the you cast a vote for Obama?

  Whats your point SteveGA? I’d like to know your thoughts on things such as immigrattion, GWOT, economy, etc. Maybe that would shed some light on your what I consider to be a knee-jerk comment only aimed at blasting Mark……again. I could be wrong though.

• 14. Charlie on the PA Tpk  |  February 6th, 2008 at 8:36 am

  John McCain is one of us.

  One of us? When did Sen. McCain stand with us on the nuclear option re: judicial nominations (a/k/a Gang of 14)?

  When did he stand with us on the Bush Tax Cuts (when they were proposed)?

  Sen. McCain is clearly not as Liberal as either Sens. Clinton or Obama, and if he is the nominee he will get my vote.

  But I do not recommend you tar yourself (or your readers) by suggesting we’re all the same as he is. I know I am not, and as an over 4 year reader of yours, I submit you aren’t, either.

• 15. Rana Quijotesca  |  February 6th, 2008 at 9:52 am

  Romney is pledging to stay in until the Convention… it’s about to get interesting…

• 16. kritter  |  February 6th, 2008 at 10:57 am

  Romney hasn’t got a prayer as long as Huckabee stays in and pulls Christian conservatives away from him. McCain now has that air of inevitablity that we saw early on in the Democratic party for Hillary Clinton. He’ll pick up moderates and independents and some who just don’t like the Clintons ( unless Obama is the Dem’s nominee).

  McCain may not score well with Rush, Sean and Ann, but he’s a much stronger candidate than Romney- even with Romney’s considerable advantages in campaign funding and organization. Wonder how well Mitt would have done without his own millions to pitch in for air time?

• 17. Dasein Libsbane  |  February 6th, 2008 at 11:15 am

  steveGA,
  “sock puppet” You nailed it.

  Mark,
  You’re entitled to your opinion, but I won’t jump under this particular bandwagon.

  A Clinton or McCain Administration will be a disaster, think 1994, I’d rather the democrats have this albatross hung from their necks.

• 18. Choose.Life.Not.War  |  February 6th, 2008 at 11:26 am

  Deleted - off topic (Ed. Note: we’re not going to allow this blog to become a soapbox for anti-Bush, anti-GOP polemics; talk about the subject at hand, or go away)

• 19. StopJohnLiberalMcCain  |  February 6th, 2008 at 11:29 am

  So Noonan falls into line like another good robot. Way to go.

• 20. JD  |  February 6th, 2008 at 11:53 am

  At this juncture, it matters not who are the nominees from each party. The Democrats are going to have twice the number of voters that the Republicans can muster come November. Let US pray that the Democrat is not Clinton.

• 21. Doug  |  February 6th, 2008 at 1:13 pm

  If Clinton doesn’t put Obama on the ticket then a lot of those voters disappear in November. Our problem is what happens if Obama is the nominee or if Clinton puts Obama on the ticket.

  I think McCain could still beat a Hillary/Obama ticket but it would take some external things to happen. This huge budget and deficit Bush is asking for plays into McCain’s hands - maybe there is some sort of plan with that.

• 22. Mark Noonan  |  February 6th, 2008 at 2:04 pm

  Charlie,

  McCain, in my view, was wrong on both those things - but he’s been right on the war, right on spending, right on abortion and right on immigration (at least as far as I’m concerned…but if you disagree and opposed the immigration reform, does that mean I’m not a conservative?). My contention is that McCain is conservative, not that he’s always achieved 100% agreement among conservatives for his actions. He’s one of us.

• 23. Mark Noonan  |  February 6th, 2008 at 2:06 pm

  StopJohn,

  Robot? I don’t think so - and how so? Because I’m not following your desires, I’m now a robot?

• 24. Mark Noonan  |  February 6th, 2008 at 2:12 pm

  steveGA,

  No, its about supporting the conservative candidate - right now, John McCain is set to be the Republican nominee. Sure, Romney could, in theory, still get it, but he’d have to run the boards and win everything - the chances of that happening are very, very small. As long as the GOP nominee is conservative, I’m going to support him. John McCain is a conservative. Mitt Romney is a conservative. Mike Huckabee is a conservative. Any one of them will get my support against either of the two ultra-liberals contending for the Democratic nomination. This is a principled stand for what I believe is right.

  My decision to endorse McCain right now, however, is a matter of practical politics - much as I admire Mitt Romney and wish he had won, the plain fact of the matter is that it is almost impossible for him to win now, and thus it is time to gracefully exit and unite the party around the conservative we will back against the ultra-liberal in November. If, however, Romney decides to stay in, I won’t condemn him for doing so - and if by some miracle he pulls it off, he’ll have my enthusiastic support for his conservative principles against the ultra-liberal in November.

• 25. Jim Shooter  |  February 6th, 2008 at 3:24 pm

  Does everyone have amnesia? McCain has a record in the Senate that is pro-life, pro-business, fiscally responsible, and pro-defense?

  His rating from the American Conservative Union is 83%? How does that compare with Romney’s record of supporting abortion rights and gay marriage? Sure he changed his message, but words are cheap.

  Perfect? No. But let us keep in mind, McCain holds the seat of Barry Goldwater, the ORIGINAL Mr. Conservative. A man who can work across the aisle to get legislation passed can unite a nation that is too divided after 8 years of Clinton + 8 years of Bush.

  Put your country first people, there’s a war going on, and a recession looming. We need to end the left/right bickering for a change. McCain is the guy who can do it.

• 26. StopJohnLiberalMcCain  |  February 6th, 2008 at 3:29 pm

  Mark:

  Is your desire to have open borders and a pathway to amnesty for the illegal hordes?

  Is your desire to not drill in ANWAR and forever enslave America to the Arab oil masters and the terrorists sons?

  Is your desire to close Gitmo, move the terrorists to the heartland (Ft. Leavenworth) and give them govt. lawyers?

  Is your desire not to use all means to gather information from captured terrorists?

  Is your desire to have a president who is buddies with Hillary and Teddy?

  Is your desire to have laws that restrict political free speech?

  Is your desire to have a president with a volcanic temper one spark away from a meltdown?

  Is your desire to have a president who admits knowing zero about economics?

  Is your desire to have a president who bashed the ever-loving s*** out of a sitting SecDef in a time of war, and thus run him out of office?

  If those are your desires, then stick with your man, McAmnesty.

• 27. Joe  |  February 6th, 2008 at 3:37 pm

  Mark:
  I have no problem with you throwing your support behind McCain now that your other guys are out. I was for Edwards. He is out, so my support has gone to Obama. If Hillary ends up the nominee, I would probably support her… I would have to debate between her and McCain, but as of now, it would be Hillary.

• 28. Mark Noonan  |  February 6th, 2008 at 4:08 pm

  Stop,

  No open borders, but John McCain also opposes open borders.

  Yes on pathway to citizenship for illegals who have been in country for a substantial period of time - Christian mercy plus practical politics commands this.

  I would drill in ANWR, but I’m also for a very crash program to end the use of gasoline in the United States - coal and nuclear is the way for us to go, as those are sources de-facto inexhaustible for us and we can build electric vehicles good enough to keep Americans happy.

  McCain is wrong about Gitmo.

  Is McCain against the NSA’s signals intelligence program? If he is, then he’s wrong.

  Hating Hillary and Teddy doesn’t help matters, either.

  McCain was wrong about CFR.

  They say GW is an idiot. They said Ronald Reagan was an idiot. Having a lunatic as President would, then, be an improvement for the GOP.

  Better to have a President who admits his ignorance on economics than have a President Hillary/Obama who thinks they do when they really don’t.

  I don’t know where the story comes from that McCain was instrumental in driving Rumsfeld out of office - I think President Bush had something to do with that.

  And, also:

  McCain is with us on the war and the Culture of Life, proving that he is, indeed, a conservative and is with us where it matters most.

• 29. Joe  |  February 6th, 2008 at 4:11 pm

  NSA’s signals intelligence program

  Is that what it is called now-a-days?

• 30. Mark Noonan  |  February 6th, 2008 at 4:14 pm

  Joe,

  Kinda surprised to find you were once for Edwards - a slick trial lawyer is first pick, while Obama is second? If you’re going to be left, might as well go for the best the left has to offer, Barack Obama.

  Be that as it may, I think you’re with the one man who could really beat us - and I mean beat us with a majority of the vote, as no Democrat has achieved since 1976. Not for sure, and not easily, but Obama has the fire on his side and his people are bursting with desire - whether he’s what they think he is (and he ain’t) is immaterial; narrative and appearances are trumping all…and, at bottom, Obama is a nice, intelligent man. If I had to put up with a liberal for 4 to 8 years, I’d much prefer to fight someone like Obama rather than someone who is downright wicked, as well as liberal, as Hillary is.

  As for Hillary’s chances - well, the GOP hopes and prays Her Cackleness wins the Democratic nomination…

• 31. Mark Noonan  |  February 6th, 2008 at 4:15 pm

  Joe,

  That is what it always has been called - it was dishonest liberal scare-mongering to call it “domestic spying”.

• 32. keefer  |  February 6th, 2008 at 4:24 pm

  Whats your point SteveGA? I’d like to know your thoughts on things such as immigrattion, GWOT, economy, etc. Maybe that would shed some light on your what I consider to be a knee-jerk comment only aimed at blasting Mark……again. I could be wrong though.

  Zach, no point in addressing SteveGAY; he never answers direct questions. He’s a hit-and-run troll.

  Dang, SLJM, your post #26 has got me back on the fence, tilting on the side of voting a write-in just so’s I could say I voted. And just now, seeing Chucklebee on Fox News, denying a deal was made in WV, really has me steamed. I mean, come on, the final tally in WV was Chucklebee 52%, Romney 47%, and McLame 1%. No deal my arse.

  I’m drifting away from the McLame reservation, Mark. What can you do to turn me around?

• 33. Joe  |  February 6th, 2008 at 4:27 pm

  Hillary is definitely my last choice for Dems. and I’ll tell you why….
  I am sick and tired of the ultra-partisanship in this country. Sure, a lot of Dems didn’t like Reagan, but there wasn’t any wide-range hatred as far as I remember.
  However, from the day that Clinton got the Dem nomination, there was serious hatred towards him. Look at all the investigations that started right off the bat and who funded them. Look at the billions spent on Ken Starr to investigate every little thing about Bill and Hillary and who funded that.
  In my opinion, there is some radical hatred towards all things Clinton. I know you people will say that Dems hate Bush, but it isn’t so much hatred of him as it is his policies. For Clinton, I seriously believe it is a hatred of him and Hillary as PEOPLE.
  I think she would be a fine Prez, but that would also come with an incredible amount of anti-Clinton backlash.

  Hillary and Obama are pretty similar in their ideas. I am good with either. I just think Obama has a better chance of at least coming close to getting some bi-partisanship.

• 34. Dasein Libsbane  |  February 6th, 2008 at 5:06 pm

  keef,
  You can make a political calculation, (and hold on to your conservative values at the same time) and it goes like this;

  A Republican has to run to the right to get the nomination and run to center to get office. McCain has all but sewn up the nomination; don’t expect any concessions to conservatives from here on in. McCain will run, as he has to, to the center. If you’re unconvinced of his conservative bona-fides now I guaran-damn-tee you’re not going to be convinced by McCain before November.

  A Democrat has to run to the left to get the nomination; Obama has to look right to see Karl Mark, so he can’t run any farther left. Clinton has already demonstrated that she (they) will run to the left to get power, and then run to center to keep power. Obama is the truly scary one in the race. The only condition where I’ll vote for McCain is if Obama is on the ticket; top or bottom.

  In the primary vote for whomever you like, it won’t matter, the conservatives didn’t have a good candidate, and the ones we fielded couldn’t generate support. Now they’re being played against each other in a cynical game of division politics; kinda like Clinton-Lite.

• 35. Ricorun  |  February 6th, 2008 at 5:19 pm

  Mark: I would drill in ANWR, but I’m also for a very crash program to end the use of gasoline in the United States - coal and nuclear is the way for us to go, as those are sources de-facto inexhaustible for us…

  Does that imply you believe we get our nuclear ore (uranium) domestically? If so, that’s incorrect. Currently, all but 16% of the supply is imported — from Australia, Canada, Namibia and, most recently, Kazakhstan. Remember the flap last week about Clinton being involved in a uranium deal there? Also, Russia just signed a new multi-billion-dollar deal to sell enriched uranium to nuclear utilities in the United States. How nice.

  http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSN0146993820080202?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&sp=true

  There is a lot of the stuff around, though. And if the price goes up substantially, then more US reserves could come into play. If prices go up further, then I understand it could be extracted from sea water. Then again, if prices go up that high, then we might as well go solar. In that regard, I just heard about another new start-up company — Suniva (suniva.com) — that’s building a photovoltaic manufacturing plant in Georgia. Get this: they plan to pick the final site this month and claim they will be ready to start shipping product by the end of the year. Granted, it’s not a big plant (only 25 MW/yr), but the fact that they can get it up and running in just a few months is pretty amazing. And they expect to get the costs down below $1/W in a year or two. That would make them competitive with coal. If they do that, and if they can get additional plants up and running as quickly as the first, then I suspect they’ll multiply like rabbits.

  Here’s another glitch on the nuclear front: the drought in the southeast is threatening nuclear power production — there might not be enough water to cycle through the cooling towers.

• 36. FmrMarine  |  February 6th, 2008 at 6:46 pm

  stop
  “Is your desire to have a president who is buddies with Hillary and Teddy?”

  Dont forget he is BEST buddies with two traitor, FAKE war “heroes” kerry and murtha.
  heck he was rumored jumping ship and running as kerrys VP.

  This guy (mcLame) is a piece of garbage.

• 37. Jim Shooter  |  February 6th, 2008 at 7:11 pm

  Mark,

  I hate to say this, and while I applaud your rather statesmanlike perspective, but it would seem as though you are no the victim of a movement that is more concerned with its own forward momentum, right or wrong — even if that momentum takes it right over the cliff.

  I am reading responses to McCain the pretty much make him the most evil person imaginable. Heck, FmrMarine calls a Vietnam POW who stood by his men “a piece of garbage”. He even criticizes a soldier for standing by veterans of the same war he fought in. My God! How can people have so much hate for American Veterans, yet alone a Republican?

  Disagree with McCain all you want, after all this is America, and for now opinions are speech are protected (lol), but each of you really needs to examine where this hate is coming from, while at the same time how you can support a man whose RECORD (i.e. what he did in office, and what he said in support of them) is far left of McCain, while he campaigns to the right of McCain.

  There’s a famous line from “The Outlaw Josey Wales”, its early in the movie, when the character Fletcher (played famously by the late John “Dean Wormer” Vernon) tells the corrupt Union Senator, “Don’t piss down my back and tell me its raining…”

  If Romney ever tells you its raining, you’d be advised to change your shirt…

• 38. FmrMarine  |  February 6th, 2008 at 7:31 pm

  shooter

  Being a veteran and being a piece of crap are two different things.
  I applaud his military service,
  i detest his senate (dis) “service”.
  He can be a vet, but a fake, and a liar, and garbage as a man.
  That is not “HATE” as you libs like to banter around so willy nilly,and has nothing to do with veterans.
  It has to do with the man, who in my opinion is unprincipled at best.

• 39. neil  |  February 6th, 2008 at 7:48 pm

  I do agree with you..We do need to unite behind the best chance and pray for a win in November. We do not want a liberal Dem in the White House turning back the clock from 8 years of mostly progress. War on Terror be damned if a liberal dem gets to be president.

• 40. Jim Shooter  |  February 6th, 2008 at 9:47 pm

  to FrmMarine

  Please note, people with whom you disagree are not necessarily libs. People like you, are giving Conservatives a bad name by labeling everyone with “liberal” when they disagree.

  Nuanced as it may be, McCain’s views on the tax-cuts make sense. Because they were not accompanied by spnding cuts, the deficits ballooned and the dollar tanked. Lat year, gas prices went down in Europe as they went up here? Why? Deficits. We all know Republicans spent money like drunken sailors. In hindsight, I agree with McCain’s view. That, and the cuts gave away too much to the very rich. Guys making @50K or more got thousands back…I’m paying double for fuel…that’s where MY tax cut went.

  Also on the border fence…build a 20 foot wall, and some Mexican is gonna build a 21 foot ladder out of scrap. Any idiot who thinks a fence is the answer never watched people fleeing East Germany BEFORE the mines, the guard towers, and the dogs.

  On immigration, Bush wanted the bill passed too. You calling HIM a Lib? Bush also worked with Kennedy to pass NCLB. Does THAT make him a lib?

  And last point: the money = free speech argument (which is where all the anti McCain Feingold banter comes from) is BS. The political process has become polluted and corrupted. Jesus once said, “you cannot serve God and mammon both”. Explain to me then how a good Social Conservative can claim all the money that influences politics today helps politicians to “His” work?

  Face it, you’re the kind of ditto-head AM talk Conservative who repeats what he hears and doesn’t think for himself. The fact that so many of you are supporting Romney, bashing Mark for showing some courage to back McCain (and I mean that Mark…it IS courage to take that view) speaks volumes. People like you are going to be the death of the GOP.

• 41. keefer  |  February 6th, 2008 at 9:53 pm

  That, and the cuts gave away too much to the very rich.

  Shooter, this was McLame’s reasoning at the time; he made up that “spending cuts” b/s recently.

  Pay attention, you stupid liberal…

• 42. keefer  |  February 6th, 2008 at 9:54 pm

  He can be a vet, but a fake, and a liar, and garbage as a man.

  Prime example: John “Spitball” Kerry, who wanted McLame as a running mate…

• 43. keefer  |  February 6th, 2008 at 9:59 pm

  DL, I respect your opinion a lot, so I’ll reconsider–once again–my views on McLame.

  But can I still call him “McLame?”

• 44. Jim Shooter  |  February 6th, 2008 at 10:03 pm

  LOL! Keefer proves my point! Disagree, and you’re a “stupid liberal”.

  OK…then you tell me, for the record, where is the proof of Romney’s “Conservative Record”? Gimme one example of just ONE Conservative principle he applied as Governor?

  The American Conservative Union gives McCain an 83% rating. What…the ACU is liberal? Gimme a break!

  Hey, I never said McCain was perfect, but I’ll take him over a flip-flopper like Romney ANY time. For that matter, I’ll take Huckabee over Romney too (yeah, Huck may not be perfect on tax-cuts, granted, but last time I checked there hasn’t been a 100% perfect leader since Christmas day 2008 years ago).

  Romney’s just a fake, which is why I’m weighing in here backing Mark. We’re not going to find another Reagan or Bush this year. But pretending Romney is the best answer is being willfully blind to the historical record. For the life of me, after screaming at liberal co-workers for better than 10 years I cannot believe I actually have to scream at my fellow Republicans!

• 45. keefer  |  February 6th, 2008 at 10:15 pm

  LOL! Keefer proves my point! Disagree, and you’re a “stupid liberal”.

  Uh, McFly, are you a complete moron? You fell for a joke, idiot!

  You stupid liberals are peas in a pod…

• 46. Jim Shooter  |  February 6th, 2008 at 10:21 pm

  One other thing Keefer…the US Dollar is about as worthless as its ever been this century. Currencies become devalued because of:

  a) inflation
  b) deficits

  We never got spending cuts. Our guys held all the branches, and we spent like the Dems during that time. I mean, Reagan wouldn’t have pushed Medicare D, built a bridge in Alaska, and diverted a few hundred million in homeland security money from NY and DC to Omaha and Topeka (any Jihadists out there?).

  Look, I am sorry for getting a little angry, and I’d like to take a step back, because we really should not be fighting like this…not this year. But seriously, anyone with a brain can see that Romney’s a fake and a liar. Either he was faking when he ran to the left of Kennedy for Senate, faking when he ran for MA Gov, or he’s faking now.

  And sure, I’ll bite…maybe McCain is editorializing his own record, fair enough. But I’ll trust the ACU (and Bob Dole too for that matter) to bestow conservative Bona Fides. The day we can’t trust the ACU to be a reliable judge of Conservative values and records is the day I dress up like Freddy Mercury and start singing “It’s Raining Men” in Billings Montana.

• 47. Gimmic  |  February 6th, 2008 at 10:34 pm

  Guys, I just want to say, I’m a new voter (turned 18 this year), and I’m really getting turned off by the name calling.

  I’m not sure who I’m gonna vote for, but just cuz someone calls this guy a lib, or that guy a phony isn’t helpful. For people who want to get involved, who are new voters, this stuff really just turns me off.

  Maybe I’m just too new to all of this, but can some of you maybe talk about the issues instead of just bashing. Name calling is best left to us high schoolers, and most of my friends are showing more maturity than some of you.

• 48. keefer  |  February 6th, 2008 at 10:48 pm

  Name calling is best left to us high schoolers, and most of my friends are showing more maturity than some of you.

  Then go hang out with your friends. lol

• 49. dickdee  |  February 7th, 2008 at 2:02 am

  I don’t know…Mark, you answered Stop by agreeing to most of his points. McCain is wrong, yeah McCain is wrong…but not everyone is perfect? What the heck kind of rationale is that. If these were small issues there could be some debate. But on large issues McCain is mostly against his own party. Look at it this way…many in the party are like me. John McCain will have to bend over and kiss my ass pretty damn hard to get me to vote for him…I’d rather have Hillary get the country in trouble before i’d want a RINO to represent me and my party. Call is what you like, but call your new bud John, and tell the old coot i’m waiting for the kiss. And very likely several million more are waiting, and another million or two have already decided its a NO GO. If he gets in there and backs off his immigration and tax pledges you are going to look as foolish as him. Remember, he’s a maverick and a backstabber at that. He was willing to say that Romney wanted a timed withdrawal from Iraq, when that was completely untrue. In time, that is going to settle into the mind of the populace, and history won’t be kind to your new sinister man. Watch him team up with Huckster, and 20 million conservatives will stay home and withhold their support. The Hildebeast will cream the maverick, and disgrace will befall him. Then he can go back to instigating another Bob Dole moment before an important election. But I digress into another shameful moment in the life of a former hero named John McCain.

• 50. clark smith  |  February 7th, 2008 at 3:34 am

  “he’s now pledged himself to be with us on immigration and taxes.” –Noonan

  Anyone—and I mean anyone—who bases their concept of McCain on what McCain says while in campaign mode, is a fool. The Maverick who cursed us as Senator would be the same Maverick as President.

  Any suggestion that McCain as President would be any friendlier to conservatives than the bane he’s been to conservatives as Senator, frankly insults the intelligence.

• 51. clark smith  |  February 7th, 2008 at 4:41 am

  I’m with McCain, now; he’s my man for 2008, and I’m going to back him to the hilt.
  –Noonan

  It would be one thing had you simply acknowledged what a lousy candidate McCain is, then said you’ll hold your nose and vote for him because at least he isn’t Hillary. That I can understand; I can even buy it. But to say “he’s my man … I’m going to back him to the hilt,” just seems obscene. It makes you sound like a sell-out to a candidate whose best selling-point is that he’s less liberal than Hillary. I dare say—at least in my eyes—it cheapens you.

  And if—perish the thought—’backing your man to the hilt’ ever means naming a blog “Blogs For McCain,” count me out of its readership: the stench-factor of a blog dedicated to McCain would just be too great to endure. I think that many who have thus far counted themselves your faithful readers would say the same thing.

• 52. Polly Waggoner  |  February 7th, 2008 at 5:41 am

  Finally,

  Someone who understands who the real enemy is. Consider having to impeach another Clinton in the midst of the most important struggle in the history of the human race which is the global struggle between Islamofascism and American traditional values.

  McCain is no Reagan but there was a time when Reagan was no Reagan. Grow up people which would you rather have John McCain working with a Democrat Congress to get his initiatives signed into law with spirited bipartisanship or Hillary’s socialist idea of how America should settle into free halth care for all and a soft core foreign policy where everybody is considered America’s friend so you have to sit down and talk.

  Didn’t 9/11 teach liberals anything???

• 53. keefer  |  February 7th, 2008 at 5:54 am

  Didn’t 9/11 teach liberals anything???

  No, they already blame America for everything, so it was our fault, in their view. They think we can get along with these barbarians, if we just talk to them. Ask Earbama and Hitlery; they want to have a summit with them…

• 54. SteaM  |  February 7th, 2008 at 11:24 am

  Gimmic,

  You could always create a sort of ranking system for people who speak about politics. That’s what I try to do. If they say stuff that is untrue then they lose a point. If they continue to say things that are untrue then eventually they lose all crediblity. As in, you cannot trust them anymore no matter what anyone says. And people will try to convince you otherwise.

  Welcome to poltics in America in 2008. It’s a jungle out there. Just remember to weed out people who have proven themselves not to be trustworthy.

  Double check your sources. Everyone must earn your trust.

  Like keefer, for example. Why would anyone trust what this person says if all he/she says is that anyone who disagrees with him/her is “stupid” and has nothing further to add?

• 55. keefer  |  February 7th, 2008 at 7:11 pm

  Just remember to weed out people who have proven themselves not to be trustworthy.

  That’s why I’ve weeded you out, SteaMing POS…

• 56. FmrMarine  |  February 7th, 2008 at 8:30 pm

  steampie

  how are things at NAMBLA?
  Dissed any boy scouts lately?

  Keef
  one good thing McLame is 72…….lets see who he pics for a running mate.
  Beat Hitlery……..maybe 2 years?
  Might work out ok after all.

• 57. Almiranta  |  February 8th, 2008 at 10:17 pm

  McCain has played by McCain’s rules, and they have always centered on what is good for McCain.

  Oh, if it’s between him and an overt socialist like Hillary or Barack, I’ll definitely vote for him—every now and then what is good for the country might accidentally coincide with what John thinks is best for John.

  But I will do my best to make sure that true conservatives make it clear to him that if he tries any of this anti-constitutional, pro-amnesty, gang of whatever crap, he will be the first president in I don’t know how long to fail to win his party’s nomination for what would have been his second term.

  In the meantime, I suggest that you take off those rose-colored glasses and take a look at Hugh Hewitt’s article, at Thomas Sowell’s article, before you make any more rash statements about how “conservative” McCain is. And the next time he tries to convince us he is pro-life and oh, by the way, also pro-embryonic-stem-cell-research, we WILL remind you of this post.

  I just love watching the man who tore the Republican Party apart pontificate about he is going to “bring it together”. What a joke………

  He’ll be the candidate whose logo is a person holding his nose while pulling the lever marked “R”. I should start making buttons with that logo—I could make a fortune.