Was the NIE Cooked to Thwart Bush’s Iran Policy?
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Interesting report over at NRO’s The Corner:
Eli Lake reports that top spy Michael McConnell has had second thoughts about the National Intelligence Estimate concluding that Iran had stopped its nuclear weapons program. If the goal of the NIE was to tie Bush’s hands, it succeeded marvelously. Eli writes:
The director of national intelligence is backing away from his agency’s assessment late last year that Iran had halted its nuclear program, saying he wishes he had written the unclassified version of the document in a different manner. …
The release of the December 2007 estimate at best delayed American diplomatic efforts to pass a third U.N. Security Council resolution sanctioning Iran’s uranium enrichment, an activity the mullahs have continued for two years despite warnings from all five permanent members of the security council. The estimate also drew rare rebukes from American allies, including Israel, France, and the United Kingdom who said their intelligence agencies did not concur with the American assessment that Iran had frozen its plan to produce an A-bomb.
I tried to get into the Lake article, but I think half the blogospher hit the link once it showed up on NRO – if correct, this story shows that at least part of the intelligence community was determined to thwart President Bush’s policy towards Iran’s nuclear program. As to why President Bush would along with such subversion – simple, he had to. In a dishonest age, it is difficult at times to immediately combat a clever lie. Had Bush suppressed the report, the fact of its suppression would have been leaked and it would have looked in idiot MSM reporting like President Bush had something to hide – so, Bush was forced to grit his teeth and put lipstick on the pig.
Hopefully, however, the truth will come out, and come out soon – because if this NIE was bogus, then we need to move very, very quickly against Iran.
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85 Responses to “Was the NIE Cooked to Thwart Bush’s Iran Policy?”
Caucus of Corruption
“First off the expression is generally known as a ‘fools paradise’”
Now I know your a moron, you dont have a clue what a fool parade is, do you?
“Iran’s oil was controlled by the Anglo-Persian oil company, it was a ridiculous agreement engineered in 1901 by the Shah’s father (another corrupt monarch) which basically gave 80%+ of the profits to the British.”
1- thats not America.
2- It seemed ok for the Shah to do it, but the truth is, APOC (anglo-persian oil company) was a public company, that was not the UK.
3-you really need to quit hosting these lies to defend your position. it doesnt do you a bit of good to affirm the fact that you are doing nothing but spreading propoganda for the elite mullahs in Iraq to make the US and UK look bad
Obama Supporter, you really suck at this, you know!!
Wow, I’m starting to realize that I’m debating an 11 year old, this has got to stop. Once again genius the expression is “Fool’s Paradise”. There is no such expression as “Fools Parade”. Is this waaaay too complex for you?
The three other points in your post make basically no sense and do not in any way speak to the fact that the US engineered a coup in Iran in 1953 which caused the Iranian people to suffer brutally for the next 25 years.
Look, JS, if you want to debate this I’m up for it. But can you please speak to these core issues, casuse man, explaining simplicities like this to you is getting tedious.
Also Js –
When you’re trying to say to someone “your a moron” you’ll get slightly more respect if you spell it “your’re”.
“1953: CIA overthrows democratically elected Iranian government”
Another lie.
The CIA never overthrew the Iranian Government. In 1951, the Prime Minister was assasinated by Pro Soviet forces inside Iran. Mosaddeq was the new prime minister, and he moved toward the hegemony of the USSR.
In 1953, the year then Prime Minister Mosaddeq of Iran stagged a coop against the Shah, the same year, the Shah came back and defeated him. Yes, the CIA and MI5 helped, but that was because the Prime Minister of Iraq was instituting Socialist programs and conspired with the Soviets during the Cold War. Other Iranians helped him. The West prevented Iran from becoming another Soviet Possesion, saving millions of lives and allowing the free people of Iran to practice thier own religion.
The prime ministry was an elected official. You seem to represent that democracy didnt exist before or during the Shah. Thats another lie. You do present a lot of misrepresentations Osama Supporter.
61. Obama Supporter | February 7th, 2008 at 8:47 am
Also Js –
When you’re trying to say to someone “your a moron” you’ll get slightly more respect if you spell it “your’re”.
If you want to garner respect, you should stop lying.
Obama Supporter;
In your ignorance, your true colors shine through.
A fools parade is exactly what I said, and exactly what I ment.
I did NOT say fools paradise.
For your small mindedness, however, I will aid in curing your ignorance;
A fools parade is a parade of fools. This is to represent the propoganda that you have presented here before us. Your omissions of facts, that if disclosed, would totally eliminate any credibility that you think you might have had, thus, leading you to the fools conclusion that you can lie with impunity and decieve the good people on this blog.
You, sir, are the fool in that parade. Even more so, by ignoring the legitimate facts that I presented, while pointing to the most obvious lies in your parade.
Where did I lie, JS?
Coming from someone who has had one falsehood after another pointed out to them above, that comment is a a little rich.
You seem to come from the ‘make one ridiculous, baseless, claim then have it verifiably refuted, then make another ridiculous baseless claim’ school of debate. Do you find that it earns you a lot of respect?
It seems you’re reduced to name calling and unfounded accusations. Grow up.
Wow Js, so as well as everything else you get to coin new phrases when blogging, eh? You didn’t mean to say “fool’s paradise” (a common saying with an etymology going back at least to Shakespeare’s Romeo and Juliet), instead you are coining and definging a new term “fools parade”.
Good man yourself. It’s a pleasure debating you.
Really JS, I suggest you stop now and go and have a cup of coffee or something, I just showed some of your last posts to my girlfriends and she nearly choked on her muffin. You should go into commedy man.
66. Obama Supporter | February 7th, 2008 at 9:02 am
Wow Js, so as well as everything else you get to coin new phrases when blogging
New phrase?
No, just the use of two words that accurately describe you and your “parade”.
65. Obama Supporter | February 7th, 2008 at 8:57 am
Where did I lie, JS?
You have a memory as small as your mind, which is very small indeed….
Your omissions are evidence of that fact.
67. Obama Supporter | February 7th, 2008 at 9:03 am
Really JS, I suggest you stop now and go and have a cup of coffee or something, I just showed some of your last posts to my girlfriends and she nearly choked on her muffin. You should go into commedy man
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Is that supposed to mean something tangible? I should just equate it to some illusion that a girl would actually put up with your BS, eh? Sorta like the conspiracy theory you float about Iran@!!!
“In a dishonest age, it is difficult at times to immediately combat a clever lie.”
…and who would know the advantage of this more than the Bush administration?
Well, you can look at the unclassified versions of the NIE for yourself. The authors of the study seem to be hedging their bets… they know that the political appointees want them to say that Iran is a threat, but they also clearly believe that Iran is in fact not much of a threat… so they say things like (paraphrasing) Iran could develop a bomb in about ten years if they had foreign help, if they found a source of enriched uranium and if they commited enough resources to a program. Heck, just about any industrialized country could develop a bomb in ten years with foreign help if they wanted to. If the data in the NIE justifies bombing Iran, we may as well bomb Luxembourg and South Africa while we’re at it.
But the truth may be that they just want us, and Iran, to think that. If I were capable of monitoring the Nuclear development of my enemies, would I want them to know it? Surely, NO.
So when you conclude that the 2007 NIE report was an accurate rendition of current intelligence, you do just what they want you to do. Bush doesnt give a squat, his goal is to protect American interests, and in this case, at the expense of his very honor in the political media that feeds on gossip and rumors on a daily basis. Bush won. Hand down.
Our secrets are still secrets, even in Iran. It doesnt matter if “Bush is thwarted”. There is a much bigger stake in this than public opinion.
js,
The whole point here is that just because the director of national intelligence said he wished he worded it in a “different manner” does not mean it was WRONG.
What part of that do you not understand?
Just because you and Mark don’t want to believe the NIE and feel it doesn’t make sense to you is no reason to start beating more war drums and claim we “need to move very, very quickly against Iran”.
I don’t give a rat’s ass if “Bush doesn’t give a squat” or not. There is nothing here saying the NIE was not correct and there is nothing that says Iran is anywhere near a nuke.
Damn… you people really get off trying to start more wars.
The only thing I understand is that trying to actually communicate with you is a useless cause.
Its pretty obvious that the statement I made is far beyond your comprehension, otherwise, you would have made a comment that contained information relevant to what I said.
You go beyond that and conclude what I (and Mark) want, which shows beyond any reasonable doubt that you have no idea what you are talking about. I will continue to hold the opinion that you are worthless and are a waste of time here. Go back to moveon.org. This place really isnt your style.
Nothings changed.
Great! Let me debate you like that…
You are an idiot and I have no time for you.
You are truly a master (de)bater. Ha! 5th grade humor is probably all you’ll get.
“If we didnt intervene, Iraq would have become a Soviet ally, because of Mosaddeq’s action and leanings toward socialism.”
So if we did not intervene, Iran would be like France (another socialist state) and its capital would be the Paris of the Middle East.
That does not sound too bad.
Even better, having a country (democratic or socialist) in the Middle East would have been pressure on surrounding countries. The entire Middle-East might have had parlaments with ministers elected by the people instead of dictatorships by now.
Js,
Bring it, I can’t wait for another attack on US Soil, it will teach you ladies about real war and death, its easy to sit here and say let us fight them on their land so they can’t fight us here, but as soon as rich kids start dying, the country will swing and the boys will be back home with their tails between their legs, like a bunch of women we all know they are…..
THe problem is that you will NEVER win the war in Iraq, there is a simple reason for it, THOSE PEOPLE DON’T WANT YOUR STYLE OF DEMOCRACY AND LIFE.
Give it up already, the Middle East is no place for infidels, you lost against Saladdin during the crusades, You will lose again and go home crying about how bad those guys are and how much the hate you. Thats right, they hate you, and I can’t wait for another round of killing here at home!
Oh, how sweet.
Curly Joe and Moe.
The three stooges.
Damn… you people really get off trying to start more wars.
So much so that when their rationale is disproven, instead of, you know, adapting to facts (“adapting” and “facts” are for damn dirty liberals, don’t you know), they say, “Uhhh…ummm…well…an evil cabal of Democrats lurking deep within various intelligence agencies is intentionally thwarting Bush! Yeah, that’s the ticket! They must be rooted out!” and actually expect to be taken seriously by non-crazy people.
I really think the Demoncrats have thier claws inside the CIA. We need to clean it out and make the CIA do what its ment to do, instead of a pawn of political ambition. Some kind of false loyalty to the Kennedys or something instead of Duty, Honor, Country.
Im sure the Mossad has far better intelligence on the ground in Iran than we do. I dont think Israel will wait too much longer to strike, they really cant affort too.
The only that should be taken with a grain of salt is your opinion Obama sucker.
Where are you anyways? Tehran? In the basement of some government building, payed $3 a day to hijack threads and spread propoganda?
You really are a pathetic sort, a balless wonder with pick cooties. Id venture to say your probably a coward too. Then again, the way you believe all the propoganda, spread lies and deciet, omit facts to make lies seem true, your not smart enough to come up with that all by yourself. What is there, like 2 or 3 people behind you telling you what to type?
what a phoney!!
nice spelling JS…you really show your education and brains by typing the way you do. HAHAHAHA…loser.
WoW Sam.
It actually a compliment to be dis’d by a mental midget.
Thanks.
Wow Mark, you must be proud to have people like JS above arguing your side for you.
Snigger…
Gee Obama,
Your lucky Mark even tolerates your lies, let alone, tolerates some Iranian Government Operative to stack Shxx so high on his Blog.
js,
Sure sounds like you just invoked the…
“I know you are but what I am” arguement there.
You are a moron.
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When I read the thread I knew that the Lemming Loons would be falling all over themselves to sneer, snicker, titter, and giggle till they wet themselves over the opportunity to strut their ignorance.
See? I do know the rabid radical base.
I doubt that there is one Leftist platitude or cliche left uposted, after this little orgy of left-wing venting.
It makes me wish we could divide the country literally instead of figuratively, with the appeasement crowd, the Islam is Great crowd, the anti-Bush crowd, the anti-defense crowd, on one side of the country and the rest of us on the other. I think they have every right to play the silly little game of why can’t we all just get along—as long as they are the only ones to get killed when it blows up in their faces.
But we all know that if push really could come to shove, every last one of them would want to be on our side of the line—because deep down, under the posturing and name-calling and efforts to outdo each other in the spite and venom department, they know that they would not be very safe in a country which paid any attention to them.
I for one am getting more and more creeped out by the constant and undending orgy of spite and malice, of the gleeful wallowing in the nastiest possible rhetoric, in the blatant disregard for any degree of truth as long as they think they have an audience for their pathological venting of spleen.
What I have learned from this blog is that if I want to see an idea, I read certain posts—-keefer, navydad, marine, spook, even Rico when he shakes off his lingering lleftist tendencies and sticks to facts. If I were to want to wallow in the mire of what passes for intellectual political discourse from the rabid Left, which is to say a relentless spewing of hate and venom, I can always check on on whatever new toxin Joe is spouting, or any of the other Usual Suspects.
Never an idea from any of them. Ever. Just a constant regurgitation of Airhead America, the Daily Kos, and whatever other sources they have for their craving for the most negative, vile, and distasteful garbage they can then spew out in their sick need to be the nastiest of the nasty.
And we aren’t even into the election cycle yet. With participants like these, it can only get uglier.
89. Joe | February 8th, 2008 at 4:13 pm
js,
Sure sounds like you just invoked the…
“I know you are but what I am” arguement there.
You are a moron
The only thing I hear, Joe, is a simple confirmation of what I said about you. Your contribution here, or lack thereof, only makes us wonder why you even bother to think.
And again, its actually a compliment to be dis’d by mental midgets. Too funny Joe.
Almirata,
If you read the comments above from me and several others you’ll see that the people on the liberal side of things talked about the history of Iran and why it’s probably not a good idea to get into a military conflict with Iran given that history. Your post on the other hand is merely a long whine about how you’d like to see this country literally divided in two between those who share you point of view and those who don’t (an amazingly egocentric admission), and how you only like to read posts from people who already have exactly the same point of view as your own. By your own admission that makes you an incredibly closed minded-person. You’ve added nothing to the facts of this debate. Your posts always just read like a tirade of sarcasm and naked insults, you simply have nothing constuctive to say.
Jessie
Interesting opinions which are diverse and give reason to a great deal of thought.
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