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A Problem in the Democratic Coalition
February 17th, 2008 at 09:16am Mark Noonan
Without a large Hispanic vote, Democrats don’t have a chance of winning the White House - just won’t win the required 270 electoral votes unless there’s a good turn out, and a strong majority of that turn out voting Democrat. So, Democrats will make stroking Hispanic voters a prime focus of their fall effort…but there are some rather strong differences between a lot of Hispanics and some core Democratic principles:
Washington DC, Feb 14, 2008 (CNA).- Key Latino leaders will rally at the Democratic National Convention (DNC) in Denver later this year in support of a national marriage amendment and marriage-friendly policy.
The event, organized by the Alliance for Marriage, will take place near the Colorado Convention Center where the DNC will hold its meeting. The Alliance for Marriage will also conduct a public relations campaign, including paid advertisements, to publicize the issue and the event.
Organizers claim that the Colorado political landscape has been transformed from “the very heart of America’s pro-marriage and pro-family movement” into a “home front for radical activists.” As an example of this upheaval the Latino leaders singled out Colorado billionaire and former software magnate Tim Gill, who has funded homosexual activist causes.
The Alliance for Marriage plans to mobilize the Hispanic vote to bring about renewal “within both national political parties, but especially the Democrat party”. Citing the influence of millionaire activists, the organizers see Latino support for the family as the “only chance of pushing back the forces of Gill and others.”
“For far too long the votes of Latinos have been taken for granted,” said Rev. Sam Rodriguez, Jr., President of the National Hispanic Christian Leadership Conference and Advisory Board Member of the Alliance for Marriage Foundation. “As our numbers grow, our influence is growing, and it is time for leaders of both parties to put protecting marriage and strong family values at the center of their agenda. Candidates like to tout ‘family values’ on the stump, but then toss our values aside when they get to Washington. We’re not going to tolerate that any more.”
Now, truth be told, in the immigration/border security issue there is a large opening for Democrats to move in and scoop up a high percentage of Latino voters - but in John McCain, the GOP has at least a partial antidote to that. Meanwhile, the Democrats also have a lot of appeal in areas of social spending for Hispanics as a lot of them are immigrants or first or second generation Americans who tend to be poorer than the American average and thus willing to lend an ear (and a vote) to those who pledge large sums to improve the day to day lives of the less wealthy. There’s not much the GOP can do about that - we’re not about to out-pander the Democrats on social spending, and we’ll just have to make the very correct argument that while social spending can be useful, it can also be destructive to family - and Latinos tend to have very strong families; much stronger than the American average. Family is important, and Hispanic voters are concerned about threats to this very important thing.
The problem for Democrats will be how to try and square this circle - especially in the face of a GOP which will easily and naturally assure Hispanic voters that we hear their concerns for family loud and clear and we are determined to keep marriage as an institution between one man and one woman. Democrats don’t dare do this, as it would splinter various parts of their coalition - so, they will try to weave and dodge. But I don’t think they’ll be able to do it - eventually, they’ll have to come out and say what they believe and there will lie the GOP’s opening to garner a large Hispanic vote.
An interesting election this will be, that is for sure.
Entry Filed under: Campaign 2008, Democrats, Republicans, Social Issues
40 Comments
1. plainjane | February 17th, 2008 at 9:24 am
I really get a kick out of these types of threads. Today a Mark Noonan post, Monday bread and butter doom and gloom for the Democrats dribble from Hannity.
When are you going to start talking about McCain’s vision for America and how he will keep the Bush legacy alive?
2. McLame2008!!! | February 17th, 2008 at 9:36 am
When are you going to start talking about McCain’s vision for America and how he will keep the Bush legacy alive?
He doesn’t need to, cow–he has you for that. Unfortunately, all you have to offer is propaganda about McCain being “a warmongering neocon Bush lackey.”
You’re truly pathetic, plaincowjane. You really ought to consider finding yourself a bull, or another cow, and getting on with your useless life…
3. Casper | February 17th, 2008 at 9:57 am
I’m betting that immigration trumps gay marriage as an issue with Hispanics. That along with the economy and Iraq will have a lot more influence on the election.
If Obama or Clinton picks Richardson for VP, that will tilt the vote even more for the democrats.
4. liberalT | February 17th, 2008 at 10:46 am
i am with you Jane. The level of delusion that Mark has has reached all time levels. Seriously - the Republicans will lose everything in November. They will lose the white house and they will lose more seats in Congress. George Bush’s administration has done more for Democrats than any Democrat could ever have done. He has destroyed the Republican party
5. SEW | February 17th, 2008 at 11:21 am
As usual, the libtards posting OT, yes, about W.
The legal Hispanics I speak with daily, natives, are against ILLEGALS being given legal status. Hopefully not too many illegals will be ‘allowed’ to vote, wink, wink. And Casper thinks the economy, Iraq, illegals and gay marriage are all winning Democrat positions? The Dem economic positions will buy some votes, but the policy will wreck the economy, very quickly. Cut and run Iraq policy is a loser.
Dream on lady.
6. Casper | February 17th, 2008 at 11:39 am
SEW,
“And Casper thinks the economy, Iraq, illegals and gay marriage are all winning Democrat positions? ”
If the economy is down in November and we still have a large force in Iraq, it will help the Democrats. Gay marriage isn’t a winning or losing position. It’s just not that important to most people.
7. Thrower | February 17th, 2008 at 12:11 pm
I think the gay marriage issue is important to conservative Christians and to gays. Most everybody else either doesn’t care or is moderately supportive of one side of the other.
If the conditions remain as they are, the economy, health care, Iraq and jobs are going to be the issues that matter to people. If Republicans throw energy behind a marriage amendment in this election, they will be seen as sadly out of touch with anyone outside their base. That is a prescription for a landslide.
8. Jeremiah | February 17th, 2008 at 12:20 pm
Mark,
I think the “free” healthcare, disability, and and food stamps will out-trump everything else in the end. They say, “If I can get a free ride, no need for me to worry about marriage.”
When it comes to the life of an individual, the Democrats couldn’t care less, which is why I look for New Civil War in the future.
–Jeremiah–
9. phnx | February 17th, 2008 at 12:22 pm
Only truely miopic moonbats will try to avoid dedaling with the reality of the Hispanic turnout as important to their victory in November. Its as important to them as is the black vote, and the union vote. The interesting thing about this is that it will be difficult for them to increase the turnout of these constituencies under any circumstances. Their best hope is for the 20 something vote, whcih seems to be for Obama. If Obama is not chosen, they will lose the 20 something vote as well as a significant percentage of the black vote.
If Obama is chosen, they will lose the a percentage of the hispanic vote. Supporting an open borders platform in an effort to woo the Hispanics will alienate the unions.
Sounds like an interesting dilema.
Look for a mass effort by the dems to disinfranchise the military vote.
10. McLame2008!!! | February 17th, 2008 at 12:34 pm
As usual, the libtards posting OT, yes, about W.
They’re just parroting their leaders, SEW. UpChuck Schumer was on Meet the Depressed this a.m., and he’s calling McCain “Bush-McCain.” They’re running against Bush, not against McCain. McCain is nothing like Bush, but don’t tell the Donkaroaches. They want Hillbama; they want socialism. They can’t do for themselves, so they need the nannies in D.C. to run their lives.
It’s good to see that libretardTHC and jane the cow are on the same page. There you go, jane; there’s your bull…
11. TheHarbinger | February 17th, 2008 at 12:47 pm
George Lopez has endorsed Obama. It’s only a matter of time.
Like the brook that becomes the stream, the stream the waterfall, so will we take back control and put an end the madness.
12. Casper | February 17th, 2008 at 12:59 pm
Thrower,
I agree. However, if Bush were to get us out of Iraq and turn the economy around the election could easily go the other direction. You also have to factor in that if anyone can blow an election, it’s the democrats.
13. McLame2008!!! | February 17th, 2008 at 1:10 pm
However, if Bush were to get us out of Iraq and turn the economy around the election could easily go the other direction.
Yeah, Casspurr, let’s just get out of Iraq and leave it a bigger mess. Hillbama ain’t gonna get us out of there, but you keep on hopin’–they’re just pandering for votes. BTW, what is Obama running on, besides hope and change? I heard his main financial guru on the radio yesterday, and that all this guy could come up with as well.
As for the economy, it’s gonna stay this way as long as we have open borders and Donkaroaches pandering for the motor/voter votes. Hillbama ain’t gonna secure our borders.
Gay marriage? I couldn’t care less–you fellas want to eat at the hotdog stand, more power to ya. I prefer Taco Bell…
14. Timothy Horrigan | February 17th, 2008 at 1:13 pm
Hmm, is gay marriage REALLY a deal killer for the average Latino voters? It seems to me that they would be loco voting for a party whose candidates are competing to see who can be the toughest on undocumented immigrants, the vast majority of whom are compatriots and relatives of documented immigrants. It seems to me that they would be loco voting for a party which is openly hostile to Latino culture. It seems to me they would be loco voting for a party which is openly hostile to working and middle-class people in general. It seems to me they would be loco voting for party which wants to continue a pointless war where thousands of young Latinos are being killed and maimed. They would be loco voting for a party which has elected only a few Latino candidates over one which has many Latinos elected officials.
And it would be MUY loco voting for such a party— or any party— just to keep the gay or lesbian couple next door from having at least some of the same protections married couples take for granted.
15. McLame2008!!! | February 17th, 2008 at 1:24 pm
It seems to me they would be loco voting for a party which is openly hostile to working and middle-class people in general.
Okay, smart guy, what’s gonna happen to business, big and small, once Hillbama gets in there and taxes the crap out of them? Who’s gonna pay for all those taxes imposed on those evil corporations? News flash for you, jerk–corporations don’t pay taxes; they pass them on. Or are your lying heroes gonna do away with that practice also? Riiiight…
16. NeoClown | February 17th, 2008 at 1:33 pm
Latinos love the Clintons.
Latinos don’t much care for blacks.
Latinos hate right-wing fear mongering fence builders.
17. Mark Noonan | February 17th, 2008 at 2:22 pm
liberalT,
Over the past couple weeks I’ve made many posts about the obstacles to the Democrats winning everything. Now, to be sure, the Democrats could, indeed, end up winning everything - but don’t you think that you might want to, maybe, think a little bit about what is happening. I know your liberal parents have taught you how to hate President Bush with a white-hot passion, but Mommy and Daddy won’t be around forever and you’ll have to start thinking on your own, one of these days…
18. Mark Noonan | February 17th, 2008 at 2:24 pm
NeoClown,
Latinos are also, overwhelmingly, Christian and by a huge majority are Catholic of a very socially conservative variety.
Its not as simple as the simpletons on the left have it…
19. Jeremiah | February 17th, 2008 at 2:39 pm
The problem being, in we have a paradox of sorts when those Latinos who appear to be good folks as they go to church and try to live a good life. Then they turn right around and ask for money from government sources.
Make not mistake, I think there are a lot of good Latino people, I listen to them sing on the radio quite often, of course, I can’t understand what they’re saying, but they’re trying…ya know.
–Jeremiah–
20. TheHarbinger | February 17th, 2008 at 3:31 pm
Yeah Jeremiah,
Right behind your fat assed white trailer trash sit at home, bon bon eatin’ brothers and sisters.
21. TheHarbinger | February 17th, 2008 at 3:49 pm
You know your whole condescending load of horse crap really bugs me. You hypocrite. Lets look at what you wrote:
Those Latinos…appear to be good folks… try to live a good life…
You racist. You will pay for your lack of humility some day. Mark the words of the Harbinger.
22. Jeremiah | February 17th, 2008 at 4:58 pm
The Hardy Har Harbinger,
All we can expect from anyone is that they try. It’s pretty hard to keep a house in order if you don’t try … you don’t allow your laundry to pile ceiling high before you wash it, or pretty soon you’ve got a lot of sorting to do, and over a weeks worth of work, whereas, if you do it, twice weekly, you don’t have near the problem.
We expect the Latinos to come in the same order, we want to them to obey the law, and come legally with no drugs attached.
And you misunderstand me, friend, I hold no animus or racism against the Latino people, their skin color and language makes them no different than me, what IS different, is the mindset.
–Jeremiah–
–Jeremiah–
23. LiberalNitemare | February 17th, 2008 at 5:11 pm
Look for a mass effort by the dems to disinfranchise the military vote.
What? Again?
24. phnx | February 17th, 2008 at 6:02 pm
Its what they do.
25. Christian Wright | February 17th, 2008 at 6:08 pm
The Republicans will not get any Latino votes because they have been very vocal with their anti-immigration stance.
The Latinos I know believe Republicans are racist.
I think only the Cubans like the Republicans. (with the exception of Alberto Gonzales).
26. NeoClown | February 17th, 2008 at 6:09 pm
Jeremiah,
Did you just spark-up a joint for Jesus?
You’re not making any sense dude.
27. neocon | February 17th, 2008 at 6:15 pm
……….The Latinos I know believe Republicans are racist. - Christian Wright…………
·10. Christian Wright | January 4th, 2008 at 10:17 pm
Edwards is the only viable male white candidate. He will come out on top in the end.
It is sad that people cannot see past race, gender and faith; but that is the case. Edwards will win the nomination because he deserves it and because he is the right race and gender.
28. Jeremiah | February 17th, 2008 at 6:18 pm
You’re not making any sense dude.
NeoClowntard,
If any sense is made, you would know it…wouldn’t you?
Or maybe you don’t understand? Yeah, that’s it.
Go tell you leftist peers you want to “spark-up a joint.” LOL!
–Jeremiah–
29. neocon | February 17th, 2008 at 6:21 pm
>>>As our numbers grow, our influence is growing, and it is time for leaders of both parties to put protecting marriage and strong family values at the center of their agenda. - Rev. Sam Rodriguez, Jr., President of the National Hispanic Christian Leadership Conference <<<<<
That’s not good news for Democrats.
Mark,
Being from AZ I live and work with many great Hispanic people, and they are, for the most part some of the hardest working, family oriented people I have ever known. So I disagree with you that the Democrats can pander to them, as they do everyone else, by offering handouts. The Hispanics I know do not want handouts, just a fair shot at the American Dream.
30. StopJohnLiberalMcCain | February 17th, 2008 at 7:41 pm
Why in the world are we worrying about the Dem’s coalition? The Latinos will always be for the Dems. McAmnesty only patted their butts to win votes for his “Pathway to America Entitlements” program.
If McCain starts running around trying to appeal to minorities all the time, what he will leave behind is the hard working, tax paying, white, Christian America that has been the foundation for all that is great in our land.
McCain cannot win if he is just acting like another Liberal like Big Ears or Big Thighs. They have that corner of the market to themselves.
GOP presidents are supposed to be for tax cuts, not voting against them.
GOP presidents want a bigger GITMO, not moving trained terrorists to Kansas.
GOP presidents want a secure border that will protect the MAJORITY in America. That will protect the English language. That will protect my 16 year old daughter from some South of the Border gang-banging unlicenced lime green Monte Carlo driver who t-bones her at a red light.
31. neocon | February 17th, 2008 at 7:44 pm
Sounds like a lot of desperation, anxiety and confusion to those on the left. Just can’t stereotype those GOPers anymore can you?
What a waste of flesh you are.
32. TheHarbinger | February 17th, 2008 at 9:45 pm
Jeremiah you white trailer trash piece of excrement.
We’re talking about American citizens who vote NITWIT. Americans of Latino ancestry. Americans who pay taxes, and follow the same rules as you.
You narrow minded hillbilly bigot.
Mark my words, as you sow, so ye shall reap.
33. DemocraciesWarrior | February 18th, 2008 at 12:15 am
Voters should consider a class action lawsuit to end the process of super-delegates. A case can be made that the super-delegates degrade, and are intended to dilute, the weight of our votes to allow the party elites to determine who gets the nomination of the party. It doesn’t matter whether Hillary or Obama gets the nomination, both will be great democratic leaders. However, the fact that super-delegates have the power to overrule the voters is against the concept of democracy, and harms the voters of this country. A single super-delegate vote can carry as much weight as 50,000 citizen votes.
Do not lose focus on this issue after the primaries are over. While it may turn out that this process does not override the American vote this year, the chances are there for the future. Our votes must be equal to those of the Washington insiders.
34. Mark Noonan | February 18th, 2008 at 12:21 am
Democracies,
Alternately, the delegates to the Democratic convention could initiate a motion from the floor to strip the superdelegates of their voting rights…which would be a lot wiser than bringing in lawyers and judges to adjudicate an internal party issue.
35. phnx | February 18th, 2008 at 7:27 am
“Voters should consider a class action lawsuit to end the process of super-delegates. A case can be made that the super-delegates degrade, and are intended to dilute, the weight of our votes to allow the party elites to determine who gets the nomination of the party”
The lawsuit would be thrown out of court. Your party is working under the rules they established. Don’t like, then leave the party. Of course they are designed to allow the party elites to determine who gets the nomination. You are only just now figuring this out???? Your party elites are not for democracy. They are about power, how to get it and how to maintain it. They don’t trust the great unwashed masses to decide anything. They know what is better for you than you do. To them you are nothing but a useful idiot.
36. Ray | February 18th, 2008 at 7:56 am
How very ironic that Latinos are trying to claim the mantle of “strong family values”. Isn’t this the same ethnic group with an out-of-wedlock childbirth percentage in the 60’s?
I live in South Florida, and you won’t believe how common it is to see a Hispanic teenager who is missing a father.
37. StopJohnLiberalMcCain | February 18th, 2008 at 9:34 am
Ray:
Look at the article he quoted. It is from the Catholic News Agency. The Catholic Church in my neck of the woods is at the forefront of backing illegal immigration for the “poor, hard working laborers who only want to be treated with humanity.”
When the near riots occured a few summers ago when million of illegals left their U.S. and state govt. funded schools and corporate funded construction jobs in L.A. to march for illegal immigration (some holding the Stars and Stripes but many more holding the Mexican banner) many Catholic leaders came out in support of this march of anarchy.
This is a false flag operation where the “strong family values” spoken about in this article is just an attempt to make Latinos seem more palatable to the MAJORITY American voters.
38. FmrMarine | February 18th, 2008 at 8:03 pm
neonambla
>>>>>Latinos hate right-wing fear mongering fence builders.<<<<
E-V-E-R-Y country has immigration policies.
STOP the LYING B#!! S#!T and your nutcase ramblings about “right wing fear mongering” and so called racists.
No country can survive by millions and millions of poor uneducated ILLEGAL people pouring into their country, It is suicide, both economically and culturally.
The lefts hatred of bush and the USA has reached a dangerous level.
I hope you are ready for the ensuing war you are provoking.
39. aimy | April 4th, 2008 at 11:20 pm
Sounds good!
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