A Clear Choice in 2008
Tags: Barack Obama, Clinton, Clintons, Conservatism, Democrats, Europe, Gore, Government, Kerry, Liberalism.
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Yep:
I think what we are watching in the Democratic primary is historic. First, there has not been a candidate nominated for President more liberal than Barack Obama since George McGovern — not Carter, Mondale, Dukakis, Clinton, Gore, or Kerry. This is unapologetic liberalism in the classic European-socialist sense, and for the first time in many years we will see its envisioned agendas without Clintonian trimming or apologetics — the flip side of the purist Goldwater in 1964. Obama will put the best face on this ultra-liberalism and the voters can freely decide. A real cut-and-dry choice.
Second, I don’t think there has been this much acrimony for so long in a Democratic primary since the Humphrey campaign of 1968, much more venom than Kennedy-Carter in 1980 or Hart-Mondale in 1984. But more importantly, the fault-line this time is not ideological so much as personal, with ugly undertones that will be hard to heal, given there can’t be horse-trading over policies. In the end, the Clintons are livid that the upstart Obama cut in front of the line and destroyed what was otherwise a near-decade long carefully planned and scripted return to power until 2016.
Our liberal friends are already convinced that they’ve won in November by a massive landslide – this is because liberals live in a dream world entirely divorced from reality (and in a really ironic twist, they call themselves the “reality based community”); but be that as it may, in a McCain/Obama contest, the battle will be between liberalism and conservatism in very stark terms. Ever since Dukakis was creamed in 1988 mostly due to the fact of his liberalism, Democrats have shied away from that label, but Obama is embracing it (though not, of course, actually spelling out what his liberal policies will entail) – and liberals are convinced that America has turned left, and are ready for an unabashedly liberal President and government. We shall see – so far, when we battle between liberalism and conservatism, the record is Conservatism 6-1…will 2008 make it 6-2? So far, only Goldwater failed to convert the battle of conservatism vs liberalism into victory for conservatism…but that was back in 1964, before liberalism poisoned itself with “new left” ideology from 1968 forward.
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111 Responses to “A Clear Choice in 2008”
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Retired Spook,
“I have no problem teaching an “ugly” truth like that to students, just as long as you keep the perspective that it didn’t detract from Columbus’ historical exploratory accomplishments.”
I agree. Columbus changed the world with his voyage, and he showed a great deal of bravery doing so. Yet he also did some pretty bad things (by our standards).
One of the biggest joys in life is sponsoring a History Day Club in which students research different events and people throughout history. It allows me to learn along with my students and to explore parts of history you don’t find in the history books. Right now I have a couple of students working on a project about Grace O’Malley and Queen Elizabeth I. Others that are doing the Titanic, Different aspects of the Viet Nam War, and the Lewis and Clark Expedition. Very interesting.
and the Lewis and Clark Expedition.
An historical event of which I am in the utmost awe.
Casper,
I think a good part of the problem of modern history teaching is the manner in which the negative is dwelt upon at the expense of the good things which happened – sure, by our standards Columbus shouldn’t have shipped back to Spain captured natives…but by the standards of 1492, such a thing was natural and acceptable (Moslems were at that time conducting slave raids into Russia and Hungary on a regular basis – because it was “ok” back then to enslave people who were not of your religion). To darken the magnificent story of Columbus with our pet causes is, well, foolish. As it turns out, I’m in the process of reading Morrison’s “Admiral of the Ocean Sea”, and it is splendid to read a book which leaves off harping on modern ideas of race and imperialism and just concentrates on the great achievement of a brave and intelligent man who wanted to do well by doing good.
Try me. I’m not ashamed to be a free thinker.
And if you think I am,I say again,try me sir and find out.
“I think a good part of the problem of modern history teaching is the manner in which the negative is dwelt upon at the expense of the good things which happened”
I disagree. I think the problem with teaching history, or learning about history on your own, is when you only look at it from one viewpoint, whether that be positive or negative. Anytime you lack balance, you have a tendency to judge a person or a culture too positively or too negatively. I can admire a man like Columbus for his courage and his persistence, but I also know he was far from an angel. And while his voyage led to the American Civilization we have today, it also led to the destruction of other civilizations, some highly developed.
Balance is so important. I don’t want to learn about a subject or person, past or present, and ignore the negative. I might focus on the positive with one individual and the negative as a natural bias depending on where they stand with me regarding credibility based my views and style of life.
However, to ignore the positive of someone I may not like too much is rather close-minded. To ignore the negative aspects of someone I respect and really like is also close-minded and can be trouble when I realize their are issues I had ignored that were serious and should have been addressed but were not and there were consequences.
‘Our liberal friends are already convinced that they’ve won in November by a massive landslide – this is because liberals live in a dream world entirely divorced from reality (and in a really ironic twist, they call themselves the “reality based community”);’
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Mark,
This post alone just goes to show that instead of calling this website ‘blogs for victory’, you should call it ‘Mark Noonan’s dream world’.
I mean you actually have a website devoting your time and efforts to George W Bush. You must be the one living in a world devoid of realilty. George Bush is America’s worst president EVER. His performance is certainly not worthy of you (as delusional as you come across) and the American people deserve better than a corrupt and immoral Republican party who has lost its way from the moral high ground that it preaches.
The Republicans have to go. Young troops need to stop dying. Even when they come back, with the cuts in veteran spending I just hope there is enough support to offer the physiological and psychological treatment they will need for the horrible things they have seen and the things some of them have been forced to do!! Hundreds of thousands of Iraqis die and no-one even really mentions it.
The economy needs an administration of professionals who actually make decisions based on the economic stability of America not because of the decisions of a president who hasn’t the faintest idea about the economy and how his decisions affect capital markets.
More attention need to be drawn to the educational system. The ‘No Child Left Behind’ system has left virtually all inner city children behind.
We need to provide our children with sex education offering all options rather than preaching a faith based ‘abstinence only’ program. Fact is there is sex on tv, in adverts, on the internet, basically everywhere, if we want to preach abstinence then lets ban sex (even implied sexual undertones) from all the avenues I’ve mentioned so that teenagers actually have a fighting chance in suppressing their sexual urges.
Fact is, this president is a disaster and until you face the music Mark, you are the only one living in a dream world.
If these comments make me liberal then I embrace it, it doesn’t devalue the importance of the points I have mentioned.
lilly06,
The really amusing thing is that everyone who isn’t a kook lefty will read your comment and say, “geesh, Mark hit the nail on the head”…
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