How to Hand an Election to John McCain on a Silver Platter
February 22nd, 2008 at 01:45am Mark Noonan
From tonight’s debate:
OBAMA: But it also means using our military wisely. And on what I believe was the single most important foreign policy decision of this generation, whether or not to go to war in Iraq, I believe I showed the judgment of a commander in chief. And I think that Senator Clinton was wrong in her judgments on that.
Now, that has consequences — that has significant consequences, because it has diverted attention from Afghanistan where al Qaeda, that killed 3,000 Americans, are stronger now than at any time since 2001.
You know, I’ve heard from an Army captain who was the head of a rifle platoon — supposed to have 39 men in a rifle platoon. Ended up being sent to Afghanistan with 24 because 15 of those soldiers had been sent to Iraq.
And as a consequence, they didn’t have enough ammunition, they didn’t have enough humvees. They were actually capturing Taliban weapons, because it was easier to get Taliban weapons than it was for them to get properly equipped by our current commander in chief.
He’s claiming that our troops in Afghanistan have to use weapons captured from the Taliban - I wonder if any of the MilBloggers out there will have anything to say on this absolutely absurd assertion? NRO’s The Corner got this reaction from an Obama advisor:
That was a discussion that a captain in the military had with our staff, and he asked that that be passed along to Senator Obama.
Obama is going to have to prove this assertion beyond a reasonable doubt, or McCain and the GOP will use it to make mince meat out of him in the fall debates. Its a stupid statement clearly made by a man who hasn’t bothered to learn even the basics about the United States military - normally, not such a big problem, but Obama aspires to be Commander in Chief.
UPDATE: Jack Tapper, author of Down and Dirty: The Plot to Steal the Presidency (not exactly a love note to President Bush, in case you hadn’t guessed) and a ABC reporter says he was able to speak to the captain who provided Obama with the story - claims it is all true, but from what I can read in Tapper’s report, the captain isn’t backing up what Obama claimed (that our troops found it easier to obtain enemy weapons than American weapons). Meanwhile, over at Flopping Aces, we have this comment:
What a crock of outright lies and BS!!!! Platoons are not split up along theater level lines. A Platoon is the smallest tactical element commonly employed. Normal Squads, which make up Platoons, do not go out alone unless covered by something big (Tank/Infantry squad teams for example).
Units are not halved for combat!! Units in Afghanistan were not used in Iraq and the two events occurred almost a year apart!! 10th Mountain went into Afghanistan fully manned. 10th Mountain was not used in Iraq. Also, all units have organic vehicles. Divisions are not stripped of vehicles for another theater operation. We have APS fleets to cover this (pre-deployed assets in Kuwait)!!! Obama should know about this as funding for the APS fleets are in the appropriations bills.
So on this aspect: FLAT OUT LIE by Obama!!!!!!
…However, I know a captain who commanded in 10th Mountain in Afghanistan during the most intense fighting there and he NEVER had problems with lack of men, equipment, or ammo. But then, I am an Army officer who, like a VAST, near total majority of us, supports the war so my opinion is unwanted by the left.
UPDATE: Pentagon doubts Obama’s claim…
Entry Filed under: Campaign 2008, Democrats, War on Terror
67 Comments
1. Arctic Fox | February 22nd, 2008 at 2:06 am
What exactly do you have a problem with Obama proving? That a military captain said to him that was the situation, or that it actually WAS the situation?
Obama said “I’ve heard” - he didn’t try to say that it was unequivocally the truth. I know you like to try and blow holes in his campaigning, but this is a real non-starter. If he was told something, which he reports as “I’ve heard” or “I’ve been asked to pass on” then he himself is not claiming anything, and it just shows how shallow this entire post is that you claim he’s sunk because he’s claiming something that in fact he’s not.
2. Mark Noonan | February 22nd, 2008 at 2:19 am
Artic,
Anyone remotely familiar with US military issues knows the story is bogus - for Obama to believe it, and repeat it on national television, shows an incredible lack of judgement and gross ignorance on his part…and now he’s going to have to prove it, or be eaten up in debate by it.
3. Dennis | February 22nd, 2008 at 2:20 am
Deleted - string of insults.
4. Kahn | February 22nd, 2008 at 2:48 am
Split up a rifle platoon and send part to one country and part to another? Had to use captured Taliban weapons?
You liberals are so stupid. I mean really. Marks post starts with the premise that you at least know a little bit about the military and the situation in Afghanistan. I guess if he made a mistake, it was in thinking you know anything at all.
Maybe if more than the 1/10th of a percent of you that serve in the military did, or at least had at one time - then you would be easier to talk to. You’d maybe know more anyways.
Oh, and not just a random number - I think that 1/10th of a percent is what it actually works out to.
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6. kjstrouble | February 22nd, 2008 at 2:57 am
The silliness of libs makes me wonder sometimes if a premiss in an old Heinlein novel is not such a bad idea - you cannot be a full fledged citzen (able to vote, be a politician etc) unless you have served in the military (or an equivalent(?) for those not physically able). Would remove some of the really stupid comments and political comments.
7. Dennis | February 22nd, 2008 at 3:02 am
Mark, you are so cute when you get mad.
Just breathe deeply, everything will be okay…
8. Mark Noonan | February 22nd, 2008 at 3:02 am
Kahn,
Too true, I’m afraid…even taking Obama’s statement at face value…he’s saying because LESS troops were sent to Afghanistan, the troops in Afghanistan has LESS ammunition…wouldn’t it be more logical to think that if less troops went, there would at least be more ammo for each individual soldier? Or, if they divvied up the ammo on a man by man basis, wouldn’t the troops in Afghanistan have as much ammo as the troops in Iraq?
Its just a mind-bogglingly stupid statement to make - and it could only be made by a liberal Democrat…whenever I hear this, I always recall the time I saw some lefty Democrat back in the 80’s deploring the fact that Reagan was buying “a wire-guided, fire-and-forget-it missile”…or the time a lefty writer complained that the driver’s seat in the M-1 was set too high for any but a midget to fit in it, never bothering to figure out that the seat was adjustable…
9. Mark Noonan | February 22nd, 2008 at 3:03 am
Dennis,
Mad? I am calm and happy - really in a terrific mood…each day I hear Obama and Hillary, the happier I get…they are bringing Hope to my life…Yes we can!
10. Freedom1 | February 22nd, 2008 at 4:26 am
It’s all about Iraq, isn’t it?
Yep, it’s all about Iraq and…
India and the Sudan and Algeria and Afghanistan and New York and Pakistan and Israel and Russia and Chechnya and the Philippines and Indonesia and Nigeria and England and Thailand and Spain and Egypt and Bangladesh and Saudi Arabia and France and Uzbekistan and Gaza and Tunisia and Kosovo and Bosnia and Mauritania and Kenya Somalia and Ethiopia and Iran and Jordan and United Arab Emirates and Germany and Australia and Belgium and Denmark and the Netherlands and Scotland and Chad and Canada and China and the Maldives and…
…and pretty much wherever Muslims believe their religion tells them to:
“Fight those who do not believe in Allah, … nor follow the religion of truth [Islam]… until they pay the tax in acknowledgement of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.” (Qur’an, Sura 9:29)
List of Islamic Terror Attacks for the PAST 2 MONTHS… Countries in which these Muslim terrorist attacks took place are: Afghanistan, Somalia, Iraq, Thailand, Gaza, Sudan, Iran, Algeria, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Israel, Sweden- (16-year-old girl dies after being pushed from the balcony in a suspected honor killing by her brother.), India, Jordan, Lebanon, Turkey, Chechnya, Yemen- (2 Two Belgian tourists and two locals are murdered by suspected al-Qaeda.), Philippines- (A priest resists a kidnapping attempt by Abu Sayyaf terrorists and is shot to death in his chapel.), Mauritania- (Four French tourists (family members) are shot in cold blood by three members of a regional al-Qaeda network).
Indeed, there are dire consquences. Al Qaeda in Afghanistan is not the only threat to the West-not by a long shot. There are Muslim terrorists worldwide who threaten Western Civilization. Obama doesn’t appear to grasp this obvious fact.
11. TiredofLibBullSh** | February 22nd, 2008 at 6:43 am
AF.
“I’ve heard…………….”
Wow, where have I heard that before?
State of the Union address where Bush claimed he had heard from English intelligence of Saddam acquiring uranium. And you libs, called him a liar and have repeated that mantra ad nauseum.
The uranium intelligence was not related in any way to the bogus documents Wilson “discovered”.
So now your guy does the same and you are willing to believe what he said, but not give Bush the benefit of the doubt. Instead, “Bush lied, people died.”
Libs aren’t USEFUL IDIOTS for nothing.
12. Magnum Serpentine | February 22nd, 2008 at 7:18 am
President Obama did not split up the Rifle platoon… the man who hit 19% approval rating, george, did.
( see http://americanresearchgroup.com/economy/ for details. )
george, who is running out of men split up the platoon, not President Obama. george is responsible for those men not having weapons george is responsible for those men having to canabalize equipment from the enemy. george is responsible and only george, for the deaths of those platoon members. Obama did not order them split up.
And did I mention that george hit 19% approval rating today?
“The World Wonders” Fleet Admiral Chester Nimitz, World War Two, Pacific Theater, 1945
13. SEW | February 22nd, 2008 at 7:32 am
Magnum, I didn’t realize W was running for a 3rd term. Awesome!
I also noticed on your blog you finally received a comment on your post about the ‘fake’ shell satellite the US Navy just shot down!
Congratulations on receiving a comment on your blog, the first ever? And you are doing an excellent job there and here representing the party of kooks.
14. js | February 22nd, 2008 at 7:59 am
In a military unit, they are deployed as a battallion, brigade, and division. They dont split platoons unless the unit is disbanded.
Obama lied again.
15. liberalT | February 22nd, 2008 at 8:00 am
Deleted - off topic…matter of fact, it had no real topic at all; Ed. Note wonders why people come here to insult the author…I mean, what’s the point? He doesn’t care and it doesn’t even rile him up…
16. steveGA | February 22nd, 2008 at 8:12 am
TiredofLibs,
Isn’t the converse of your statement true of you? You defend Bush’s statement because he didn’t say he “knew” that Saddam sought uranium from Africa, he said the British “learned” that Saddam sought uranium from Africa. Isn’t this the kind of parsing you are criticizing liberals for?
You’ve given Bush the benefit of the doubt, why not Obama?
As far as Mark’s assertion that Obama has to prove this statement beyond a reasonable doubt, I ask why? How? Is there any amount of proof that you would accept? You have no intention of voting for anyone with a “D” after his or her name, nothing Obama does would ever satisfy you.
Conversely, shouldn’t you prove your statement that the military has all the personnel and supplies it needs? Isn’t the burden of proof higher for Mark and NRO since, you know, they’ve been wrong about nearly everything regarding the Iraq war? Why should we continue to think that you people are experts on war, the military, or foreign policy?
17. Christian Wright | February 22nd, 2008 at 8:13 am
Deleted - off topic.
18. DM | February 22nd, 2008 at 8:32 am
1.) MS – Senator Obama is not President and it is foolish for you to address him as such.
2.) President Bush almost always defers the decision making to the generals in the field. If they felt it was better to split the troops based on information that you and I are not privy to, why do you feel so smug in playing armchair quarterback?
3.) How funny that you imply the full group should have been placed in Afghan. On what intelligence do you use to base this on? A single soldier’s opinion after the fact? How is it that a split group was able to “capture” Taliban weapons if they were not aptly staffed and equipped?
19. Rich | February 22nd, 2008 at 8:42 am
Hey guys did you hear we send our troops into battle with broomsticks nowadays? Someone told me that, must be true. The NY Times has an article about it tomorrow and they have five or six unnamed sources so it must be true. Gosh.
20. neocon | February 22nd, 2008 at 9:25 am
The debate last night clearly revealed the fundamental misunderstanding of Islamic terrorism prevalent on the left and an embarrasing blatant dishonesty. Neither candidate acknowledged what is really happening in Iraq choosing instead to stick to their political agenda. This disregard for the truth is a huge red flag on how they will approach every issue. The link below is just a small example of the progress being made. By this fall, the Iraq turn around will embarrass these two candidates even more.
Statement from Multi-National Force - Iraq commending cease-fire extension
http://www.mnf-iraq.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=17224&Itemid=128
I also had to chuckle when Hillary kept telling us on how she will get people back to work again. The current unemployment rate of 4.9% is better than the average of 5.6% throughout the 90’s and is often times considered full employment. It is again an example of an utter disregard for the truth. Don’t let these two anywhere near the WH.
21. Joe | February 22nd, 2008 at 9:35 am
Deleted - complains about comment policy.
22. plainjane | February 22nd, 2008 at 9:48 am
We have been down this road before. Even if the captain came out and swears all he said was true, we all know Limbaugh and the other neocons will just label him a “Phony Solider.”
23. Retired Spook | February 22nd, 2008 at 9:54 am
How do you allow the junk from Freedom1 in post #10 to just fly by without any issue?
Joe, it could be because Freedom1 never questions Mark’s sanity or intelligence and never calls him derogatory names. Just my guess, though; I could be wrong.
24. Joel | February 22nd, 2008 at 9:55 am
Everybody here is missing the point of what Obama said, let me explain it. “Our guys are so good they don’t need weapons to beat the Taliban. Our guys kick their asses and take their toys away.”
This being said, now he can cut the defense budget in half because we don’t need no weapons.
25. SEW | February 22nd, 2008 at 9:55 am
Joe, the topic is “Obama is going to have to prove this assertion beyond a reasonable doubt, or McCain and the GOP will use it to make mince meat out of him in the fall debates. Its a stupid statement clearly made by a man who hasn’t bothered to learn even the basics about the United States military - normally, not such a big problem, but Obama aspires to be Commander in Chief.”
Post #10 points out Hussein’s military ignorance and is on target. However, your post is off topic but was not deleted. And this is not your blog. If you want a inanely liberal blog, visit Serpentines Blog[?].And feel welcome to stay there.
26. Retired Spook | February 22nd, 2008 at 10:01 am
If you want a inanely liberal blog, visit Serpentines Blog[?].And feel welcome to stay there.
Amen, SEW. Besides, the snake could use some traffic. His last 12 posts have garnered (drum-roll, please) a grand total of exactly ONE (1) comment.
27. Retired Spook | February 22nd, 2008 at 10:05 am
We have been down this road before. Even if the captain came out and swears all he said was true, we all know Limbaugh and the other neocons will just label him a “Phony Solider.”
PJ, do you realize just how incredibly stupid and ignorant it makes you look each time you bring up that thoroughly debunked topic?
28. SEW | February 22nd, 2008 at 10:12 am
And Spook, the topic receiving the comment was, the “fake” satellite that was shot down so we could test our missile defense system.
Liberals are proud of their cult!?
29. navydad | February 22nd, 2008 at 10:20 am
Ah…the smell of liberal BS in the AM…how utterly sickening.
LT’s # 15 post requires Helen Keller to decifer, and hear…hear SEW for calling BS with these goons.
30. Some Assembly Required | February 22nd, 2008 at 10:30 am
“However, if it is something that you *want* to be true even the vaguest hint of it you take to be the gold standard. I mean - just so that it is clear to everyone how ridiculous you are”
You mean like calling the WHO’s credibility into question because they are for ’socialised medicine’.
Helen Keller indeed.
31. William Teach | February 22nd, 2008 at 10:37 am
Notice how the Libs can’t really defend Obama’s statement? Instead, the cast blame at Bush.
<blockquote?but Obama aspires to be Commander in Chief.
I believe the correct phrase is “but Obama aspires to be The Messiah.” Please fix, Mark
32. Magnum Serpentine | February 22nd, 2008 at 10:39 am
Well if all you all can do is comment on how many people have commented on my blog, then you all must really be bored. I do not make people read my blog or visit it. And I think the only advertising I have done for my Blog is the link in my name and the one time I mentioned it in a post.
Besides, how can my blog have anything to do with george sending in forces undermanned and with little to no equipment?
33. Timothy Horrigan | February 22nd, 2008 at 10:51 am
Deleted - off topic.
34. LNC | February 22nd, 2008 at 11:06 am
Obama said “I’ve heard” - he didn’t try to say that it was unequivocally the truth. I know you like to try and blow holes in his campaigning, but this is a real non-starter. If he was told something, which he reports as “I’ve heard” or “I’ve been asked to pass on” then he himself is not claiming anything, and it just shows how shallow this entire post is that you claim he’s sunk because he’s claiming something that in fact he’s not.
Arctic Fox…
No, what it really shows is that he is more than willing to spread gossip that may not even be true, just because if it was true it would promote his cause.
Sure, he doesn’t say he knows it to be true, but because he is a national figure, there are huge numbers of people out there that will think that the fact that he would use it as an argument means that it must be true. He knows this.
Being willing to spread as truth things he has only heard through undocumented hearsay speaks volumes about him in regards to having character vs. simply being agenda driven.
35. William Teach | February 22nd, 2008 at 11:14 am
You can keep screaming that meme all you want, but, it still does not make it true.
Anyone else notice that the Left has stopped bothering with their “reality based community” moniker?
36. Mark Noonan | February 22nd, 2008 at 11:19 am
Magnum,
You have a blog? Why didn’t you say so? For crying out loud, I would have linked here for you in some manner…always glad to help out a newbie…
37. Mark Noonan | February 22nd, 2008 at 11:19 am
LNC,
That is precisely it.
38. SEW | February 22nd, 2008 at 11:21 am
Mark, For a real laugh visit Timmy Horrigan’s site.
39. William Teach | February 22nd, 2008 at 11:31 am
In reference to a Milblogger, Matt Burden from Blackfive emailed his assesment to Allahpundit at Hot Air: http://hotair.com/archives/2008/02/21/obama-us-troops-in-afghanistan-forced-to-arm-themselves-with-stolen-taliban-weapons/
40. Almiranta | February 22nd, 2008 at 12:45 pm
Spook, janie obviously doesn’t care how “….how incredibly stupid and ignorant …” she comes across. Every post of hers is ample proof of that.
What amazes me is how these agitators have dropped all pretense of addressing issues, or even paying attention to the threads. They seem to view this as their own little litter box, where they can deposit their latest droppings at will.
Look at janie—she lacks the basic comprehension to even understand what Limabugh meant by the “phony soldier” comment, as well as the honesty to even bother to research the content of the comment.
But here’s a phrase we have, for some reason, not heard from the radical Left for quite some time now.
Remember their passionate addiction to the vile term “chicken hawk”? Remember how tossing that around was the absolute coolest and smartest and most significant thing any mouthbreather from the far Left could possibly come up with?
I predicted that if their field of candidates narrowed to those who had never served in the military, this little brain fart they loved so much might come back to haunt the,
And now that Obama is actually running on his desire to be Commander in Chief, is actually campaigning on his qualifications to lead the military (as well as to protect the country, God help us!) that odd little term has somehow just—-disappeared. Edited from the radical Left phrase book.
Hmmmmmmmmmmm
41. Joe | February 22nd, 2008 at 1:04 pm
How to Hand an Election to John McCain on a Silver Platter………
Obviously the national co-chair of McCain’s campaign will not be delivering the silver platter. Unless of course, he is going to deliver it from jail.
42. Tractatus | February 22nd, 2008 at 1:17 pm
Almiranty apparently doesn’t even know what “chickenhawk” means. But not knowing what something means has never stopped her from ranting about it anyway.
Looking forward to your 10-paragraph, spittle-flecked response, ‘Ranty. Could you do us a favor and tell us the story of your hippie-to-wingnut conversion again? You probably haven’t told it for at least a couple days now.
43. baldeagle390 | February 22nd, 2008 at 1:43 pm
Let me be the first to say the captain was a neocon plant. Had to be. Army captains don’t command a platoon.
44. Herkimer X. Arbuthnot | February 22nd, 2008 at 1:54 pm
I know what a chicken hawk is; around here their also called Red-tailed Hawks; I’ve owned two along with falcons and other sporting raptors. Any one that’s observed these birds would be proud to be compared to one of them. And, they’re smarter than the average liberal; and a damn-sight more entertaining than tractatus.
45. OBAMA…UNQUALIFIED T&hellip | February 22nd, 2008 at 3:49 pm
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46. sleepygene | February 22nd, 2008 at 3:57 pm
I am surprised this didn’t get posted earlier but Jake Tapper from ABC news spoke to the Capt. and confirms Obama’s anecdote.
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/02/from-the-fact-3.html
47. Mark Noonan | February 22nd, 2008 at 4:13 pm
Gene,
Still won’t come out and give his name - so we’re reliant upon Tapper’s veracity…and Tapper wrote a book entitled “Down and Dirty: The Plot to Steal the Presidency” which was extraordinarily critical of President Bush vis a vis the Florida result in 2000…so, not exactly an unbiased source, now is he?
Furthermore - Obama said he was told that it was easier for our troops to capture Taliban weapons than obtain American weapons. That, even by Tapper’s account, is bogus.
48. Freedom1 | February 22nd, 2008 at 5:09 pm
Iran Could Have a Nuke by the End of the Year
Alarming Test Results: Iran Could Have Enough Uranium for a Bomb by Year’s End - SpiegelOnline.com
49. Kahn | February 22nd, 2008 at 5:20 pm
Mark, just how would they even capture Taliban weapons without weapons? And outside small arms and rocket propelled grenades, what does the Taliban even have? What kind of tanks helicopters, transport planes and bombers? It’s just so stupid. The more the left argues it, the worse they look. And they don’t even realize it!
50. sleepygene | February 22nd, 2008 at 5:37 pm
Mark-
Tapper does report that getting parts for thier MK-19’s and 50 cals. was difficult and that they would at times utilize DShk’s on their humvees. This seems to support Obam’s anecdote during the debate. Are you disptuing the contention that in the Summer ‘03 through the Spring of ‘04 Iraq was more of a priority than Afghanistan?
You do admit that the platoon was shipped to a combat area undermanned, correct?
51. William Teach | February 22nd, 2008 at 6:05 pm
sleepygene, the interesting part is that ABC used the same unnamed captain to verify himself. Where is the independent verification? Does anyone else say the same thing? It’s like when the New Republic verified what Scott Beauchamp was saying by asking…… Scott Beauchamp.
52. navydad | February 22nd, 2008 at 6:47 pm
Mark,
The libs want us to withdraw from Iraq…correct?
Well, isn’t the Taliban resurgence in Afghanistan proof that even when we “think” we’ve defeated “this” enemy, they’ll continue to rebuild, re-establish in more sparsely populated areas, and cause havic until “we” (the USA) eliminate those threats, or until they become so discouraged they simply quit fighting?
So, what would make the libs believe there won’t be the same resurgence in Iraq? Because Obigears and Hitlery say so? Fat chance. We’ve seen how the Afghan Military stands up…lol!
And why hasn’t NATO been able to defeat or hold Afghanistan without US Military assistance?
The answers to these questions are quite simple: NATO is made up of misfits that couldn’t make it in the real military (and I don’t give a rats ars if anyone is offended…the truth hurts), and as long as there are terrorist-friendly countries in the region, terrorism will continue with no end in sight, and as GWB stated in his SOTU speech, “this will be a long war.”
I’ll place my money on what McCain said. “We could be in Iraq–or the region–for 100 years.” No one wants this, not even most conservatives, but reality is clear, we have no other choice…period.
53. navydad | February 22nd, 2008 at 6:57 pm
“Of course, a handful of Afghanistan’s 34 provinces are not so lucky. In some, NATO troops have been unable to intimidate the insurgents on the battlefield - Helmand, Kandahar, and Uruzgan. (This should not have been surprising. For instance, the Dutch, who have roughly 500 soldiers in Uruzgan, have only 22,000 troops total in their military and haven’t won a war since, what, the 18th century? )”
Hmmmm, go wonder.
54. zuzu | February 22nd, 2008 at 7:20 pm
~~~But then, I am an Army officer who, like a VAST, near total majority of us, supports the war so my opinion is unwanted by the left. ~~~
Well no, but since you just told an outright lie, there’s every reason not to believe your opinion.
http://www.militarycity.com/polls/2007activepoll_iraq.php
55. Joe | February 22nd, 2008 at 7:44 pm
RE:
48. Freedom1 | February 22nd, 2008 at 5:09 pm
Really Mark, how do you continually allow this crap to be spewed out from Freedom1? All he does is bitch about Islam and post links from other wacko blogs that also hate Islam.
56. Christian Wright | February 22nd, 2008 at 9:05 pm
Here is the link to the original news story about the incident that Obama spoke of:
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/02/from-the-fact-3.html
57. Faceplant | February 23rd, 2008 at 5:35 am
“Still won’t come out and give his name”
Uh, for obvious reasons.
58. Freedom1 | February 23rd, 2008 at 6:49 am
Joe,
Do I have to draw you a map?! Guess so. The reason I post information on Islam and Muslim terrorists, etc. is to inform people about the actions of Western Civilization’s ENEMY. You know, Islam which says to non-Muslims convert or DIE.
The only reason you get so hyper about it is because you inherently understand that by pointing out the evil and brutality of the Islamic enemy (-ie. Post #48 Iran’s construction of a NUCLEAR BOMB) it demonstrates how badly America needs a strong President with military experience like John McCain and equally, it points out the inherent weakness, naievity and inexperience of Barack Hussein Obama.
59. TiredofLibBullSh** | February 23rd, 2008 at 7:11 am
Unfortunately Freedom1…..
The dumbass libs will not be convinced until a mushroom cloud appears over a major city anywhere in the world.
Even with terrorist attacks going on in regions we don’t have a presence in, they are not convinced.
It is really sad.
60. Christian Wright | February 23rd, 2008 at 7:42 am
“Influential Shiite cleric Moqtada al-Sadr on Friday ordered his Mahdi Army militia to extend a cease-fire for another six months, a decision that U.S. and Iraqi officials believe will strengthen a growing sense of stability in Iraq….
Sadr’s cease-fire, which began last August, is widely credited with helping to reduce levels of violence in Iraq. Other factors in quelling the violence have been the birth of a Sunni volunteer force that turned against radical jihadists and the U.S. military “surge” involving thousands of reinforcements….
Those who honor Sadr’s pledge will be treated with respect and restraint, the U.S. military said, adding that it would welcome any opportunity to participate in dialogue with the Sadrists.”
We are in luck. The ceasefire has been extended. Our soldiers are safer and Republicans can claim the surge is working.
61. FmrMarine | February 23rd, 2008 at 1:00 pm
PJ
>>>>>We have been down this road before. Even if the captain came out and swears all he said was true, we all know Limbaugh and the other neocons will just label him a “Phony Solider.”<<<<
NO….Not Limbaugh……..US - Former VETS…..will reveal the man to be a LIAR!
62. FmrMarine | February 23rd, 2008 at 1:05 pm
joe-BLOW
>>>>All he does is bitch about Islam and post links from other wacko blogs that also hate Islam.<<<<
There you go AGAIN with the “HATE” template.
We fight those who HATE us. This happens to be islam at this point in history.
If YOU love islam so much….convert and MOVE to iran, samalia, or some such paradise. Then YOU to can participate in cutting the heads off 13 YO Christian school girls.
63. navydad | February 23rd, 2008 at 1:43 pm
Hear..hear FmrMarine..hear..hear!!
64. Almiranta | February 23rd, 2008 at 9:20 pm
Ooooooohhhh, Tract’s having a tantrum again. Was it something I said? Poor baby.
Yes, I know it just chaps your donkey to hear that some of us have actually seen the light. I hear that the guy who is spilling the beans on the inner secrets of Scientology is getting the same reaction ol’ inTractable is having to me.
But you are safe from suffering the same fate, Tract—the ones who move from left to right have the ability to (finally) start to wonder why, if the Left is so superior to the Right, they can’t ever answer a question directly but have to veer off into trying to anwer with other questions, or to resort to name-calling and silly sneering. They have the intelligence to look into history for themselves, and learn that no Socialist government has ever succeeded, and to wonder why so many are still determined to inlfict this repeated failure of a model on this country.
Yes, there are way too many qualifications for conversion from the wackadoo belief system that charges your battery to the rational world of fact and reason represented by the Right.
Too many words for you?
65. Almiranta | February 23rd, 2008 at 9:24 pm
BTW, I was saying it long before I knew that Ronald Reagan—another former Dem—had said it as well: “I did not leave the Democratic Party: It left me.”
The politics of John F. Kennedy are so far to the right of the Dems of today, it is hard to believe the party still uses the same name. The Democrat Party just slipped out from under me in its death slide to the radical Left. Believe me, nasty pieces of work like we routinely see here, spouting vile and vicious slanders, wallowing in blind hatred and glorying in name-calling, would not have had a place in the Dem party of yore. But they seem to be the very foundation of the new Socialist far left radical movement we see posturing as Democrats today.
66. Freedom1 | February 24th, 2008 at 2:01 am
#59 TLBS.
Sad but true.
/Wish I was just making a reference to a Metallica song.
67. Freedom1 | February 24th, 2008 at 2:14 am
#62 FmrMarine - “We fight those who HATE us. This happens to be islam at this point in history.”
Yep. Well said.