How Is The Clinton Brand These Days?
February 23rd, 2008 at 11:55am Matt Margolis
So, with the media coronation of Barack Obama as the nominee for the Democrats, as a result of his repeated victories, I’d like to raise the question again about the state of the Clinton Brand.
How badly has the Clinton Brand suffered from this campaign? If Hillary somehow manages to pull of getting the nomination, will that repair the damage done? What if she doesn’t get the nomination, is it permanently destroyed?
Entry Filed under: Campaign 2008, Democrats
44 Comments
1. liberalT | February 23rd, 2008 at 11:59 am
oh puleese Matt - there is simply no damage. You are just angry that you cant s mcain’s d and now you want the whole world to think that somehow its all about the democrats being in trouble. Despite the fact that every poll out there says one thing and one thing only THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IS DESTROYED
2. Matt Margolis | February 23rd, 2008 at 12:05 pm
That’s enough LiberalT… This isn’t about the Republican Party, or John McCain. If you are absolutely and totally unwilling to admit that within the Democratic campaign for the party nomination that the Clinton Brand hasn’t even suffered a bit, then you are either too stupid or too blinded by partisanship to recognize it. This is not some right-wing concept… this is something that is being debated by liberals as well.
If you’re not going to make reasoned contribution to the discussion here, then why don’t you go somewhere else that is more accepting of your stupidity, like Daily Kos.
3. Pain | February 23rd, 2008 at 12:07 pm
We, Ourselves think that Hillary Clinton will make a fine Supreme Court Justice. We are sure that the RNC is more concerned about how their brand will damaged if they try to do to Barack Obama what they did to harold ford. This would anger moderates within and outside the GOP. Such a tactic can work in the Old South but it would not play very well in Peoria.
Though We, Ourselves do not agree with the harsh tone, liberalT has a clear point. The RNC is having money problems and they have to make a choice very soon between the candidacies of those running for congress and the candidacy of John McCain. There isn’t enough in conservative coffers to do both. We think if the GOP chooses McCain over the Congress you will be throwing money down a bottomless pit if Obama is the nominee of the progressives.
Qu’ul cuda praedex nihil!
4. brett michaels | February 23rd, 2008 at 12:10 pm
What is the Clinton Brand?
I haven’t seen that brand in the stores. Is it similar to Versace?
5. liberalT | February 23rd, 2008 at 12:16 pm
oh i hurt Matty’s feelings. So sad…
Look Matt - 90% of the posts you make on this blog are simply stupid statements saying - “liberals are dumb”, “liberals are terrorists”, “liberals are commies”.. So grow up - if you cant handle the heat maybe you should go into something you can handle..
of course Clinton has suffered a bit - but *YOU* are the one who is always trying to tell us that Democrats are this that and the other things while the Republican party is perfect. Do you know why? Because you are there little errand boy who hopes to become McCain’s fluffer
6. sleepygene | February 23rd, 2008 at 12:18 pm
I think the Clinton Brand is held in higher regard in the US and abroad than the Bush Brand. Not on this site but in the real world the Clinton name is better than the Bush name.
7. sleepygene | February 23rd, 2008 at 12:19 pm
McCain’s fluffer HAH! funny
8. William Teach | February 23rd, 2008 at 12:23 pm
Why am I not surprised that the libs are unable and/or unwilling to actually discuss the Clintons?
I do not think it will be destroyed, though, since Liberals are able to pretty much ignore anything that doesn’t conform to their myopic world view. Also, I think that there is a chance that Reid will be forced out as Senate leader in favor of Hills.
9. Thrower | February 23rd, 2008 at 12:24 pm
I do believe the “Clinton” brand has been damaged, both through their own missteps and nearly twenty years of relentless pounding from the conservative noise machine. Just as the term “liberal” has been turned into a negative, I think the country has Clinton fatigue and that is a factor in taking down what appeared to be a sure nomination.
I also believe the “Bush” brand is damaged beyond repair as is the term “neoconservative.” The country is looking for a major move away from the politics and politicians of the last twenty years and that bodes well for Obama.
10. FmrMarine | February 23rd, 2008 at 12:30 pm
BM
>>>>>What is the Clinton Brand?
I haven’t seen that brand in the stores. Is it similar to Versace?<<<<
UMMMM…closer to TROJAN !
11. BARRASSO | February 23rd, 2008 at 12:41 pm
The Clinton brand has suffered I will say that, but it still would beat any brand put forth by the GOP this year. It is like that PR guy Saddam had during the war arguing that his mighty army would prevail because the US marines were a weaker force than the US army. Hopefully whoever is elected will listen to the pentagon on this topic. Of course we all know that the pentagon is filled with dirty treehugging hippies. http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2004/feb/22/usnews.theobserver
12. navydad | February 23rd, 2008 at 12:41 pm
liberalT
The more you post, the dumber you look.
Ban the goon…Matt.
Matt, have you noticed many of the conservatives, such as myself, don’t frequent B4V as much as the past?
Believe me, we’d all be back if you and Mark grew some juevos and banned these a-holes…with all due respect.
I know it’s all about “being controversial”, but this is getting pathetic….really.
You guys allow these kooks to constantly bombard the site with accusations and innuendos that serve absolutely no purpose.
If you’ll recall, the only productive dialogue has come from the conservatives et al. that are great thinkers such as Alimantra, Rico, DL, neocon, spook…and even Dianapowe sometimes contributes to a productive dialogue….
13. Casper | February 23rd, 2008 at 12:50 pm
I would say that the Clinton Brand has been tarnished. How the Clintons handle Obama getting the nomination (If indeed he gets it) will determine how they are judged by the party in the future. If they behave like jerks, it could destroy their “brand”. If they concede gracefully if could enhance their image.
14. navydad | February 23rd, 2008 at 12:57 pm
Branding is all about market size, and the Clinton market is shrinking…rapidly. Therefore, either they pull their product off the shelves and re-introduce the same product in new packaging, or resign themselves to failure. Either way, the cohesion of the dem party is just as damaged as the GOP’s, except the Dem damage was caused by one family…the Clintionis.
15. LiberalNitemare | February 23rd, 2008 at 1:19 pm
Personally I think Billary may have gone a little too far with the racial insensitivity thing to just bounce back as if nothing happened.
They will still be movers and shakers, but its not going to be the same for them as far as power broking in the Democratic party.
16. Diane Tomlinson | February 23rd, 2008 at 1:44 pm
There you go navydad ban all of us! better than that why stop at a blog? Why not round everyone up who doesn’t worship the flag and go to the right building to worship or worship at all for that matter and make them wear some sort of identifying icon on their outermost garment. Let’s make it humilating say a yellow star for cowardice that’ll work. In time though people like me, because I’m a lesbian, would grow used to a certain level of mistreatment you and your faux patriotic fascist children would not get a warm enough fuzzy from seeing us shuffling down the streets or living under overpasses.
Then you would get your tough guys to round up up and herd us into camps where we would pick your vegetables or mentd your clothes. There would be the guards who spout the rhetoric of your new religious masters but they wouldn’t be so holy that they could pass up raping a young boy or girl.
You just want us to shut up here because this is a space where only your people belong. That’s rich because it wouldn’t matter what you said at my site it will sit there so the full bloom of discourse could take place. If you want to call names call them if you hate the Clintons fine personally I think there was more to Whitewater and that the murdered Vince Foster but I don’t think that makes either Bill or Hillary less qualified to be president of the USA because i think they are both smarter and better politicians than George W Bush.
So the Clinton brand I dunno maybe Pain is right about the SCOTUS thing but I can’t see how her “brand” is more tarnished by not getting her turn at the Oval Office than Dubya’s is by sending the fruit of America’s youth to a meatgrinder he thought was the source of the threat to US corporate continuity and turned it into either a place where US troops will have to stay for decades or a new haven for terrorists where one did not exist before.
And by the way on behalf of the American people thank you for your service.
17. Retired Spook | February 23rd, 2008 at 1:46 pm
Matt, have you noticed many of the conservatives, such as myself, don’t frequent B4V as much as the past?
I still visit pretty regularly, navydad. I’m reluctant to comment as much as I used to because arguing with a Liberal is like mud wrestling a pig. The pig enjoys it. You get dirty. And soon, no one can tell you apart. I know some very intelligent Liberals, and it’s actually fun and mentally challenging to get in ideological, philosophical and political discussions with them one on one. But the Liberals who have come to frequent this site are, for the most part, historically ignorant and intellectually dishonest to a fault. This statement by LibT is a prime example:
Matt has the patience of Job to put up with such crap — I certainly wouldn’t. It’s bad enough that I have to share the same country and breath the same air as that stupid bitch.
As to the topic of this thread, I find it fascinating that the MSM which has carried the Clinton’s water for over 15 years, appears to be losing it’s love affair with the Clintons. In that respect, the “Clinton Brand” has most certainly been weakened. If any major news organization had dedicated a good investigative reporter to the Clintons back in the mid-90’s, there wouldn’t even be a “Clinton Brand”. I’m almost as anxious for those two criminals psychopaths to fade into the sunset as I am for Castro and Ted Kennedy to assume room temperature.
In terms of public perception of the Clintons, the way they conduct themselves during the remainder of the primary season, and, particularly if she loses the nomination, is going to determine their future on the American political scene. They’ve always put themselves above everyone and everything else, including their party. Unless that changes in the next few months, I think they’re political toast.
18. William Teach | February 23rd, 2008 at 1:51 pm
I reckon that the Credentialed Media has come to the conclusion that, no matter how much they love the Hill and Bill Show, there are too many Americans who do not, and that her, and Bill’s, record will be exposed in detail if she were the Dems rented mule for the general election.
Instead, they have to hang their hats on the Messiah Obama, he of Hope and Change, with very little behind him as a record.
I have to disagree with banning most liberals. Some of the more foul “mouthed” ones, yup. Otherwise, let them comment. It makes for great comedy.
19. navydad | February 23rd, 2008 at 2:03 pm
DT
I’m a Navy “dad” and proud of my Son’s service…but thanks anyway. My years were earned building nukes for the DOE.
BTW, I’m not proposing “banning all”, only liberalT and his ilk that repeatedly criticise or condemn the Hosts of this blog..please re-read my post and notice I include bloggers such as Dianapowe and Rico, and of all that post here, Rico has more “middle-of-the-road” insight and rationale to his posts than just about all others. Don’t get a big head Rico, just my opinion…lol!
Also, although you believe that because I’m a conservative that I must be a redneck, well it just so happens I have immediate family members that are gay, or lesbian and guess what DT, they’re conservatives too…well I’ll be go to hell…LOL! Just a bit of redneck humor there.
Now, back to the Clintionis.
Their market has shrunk due to product lifecycle…not the GOP as you claim and if you look closely at any politician, you’ll see that I’m correct in my analogy. The main reason for the Clinton demise is their credibility, or lack thereof, and this credibility issue is taking your party down simultaneously. So please, let’s stay on topic and focus on the issue of “the Clinton Brand”, rather than the typical “The GOP caused their demise” rhetoric.
20. BARRASSO | February 23rd, 2008 at 2:10 pm
‘if any major news organization had dedicated a good investigative reporter to the Clintons back in the mid-90’s, there wouldn’t even be a “Clinton Brand”.
Yes if only there had been some sort of investigation of Clinton. Perhaps with a reasonable money limit of 50 million dollars, I bet we could learn all the deep horrible crimes the “psychopaths” had performed.
Hatefilled liberals that they are.
21. Diane Tomlinson | February 23rd, 2008 at 2:57 pm
navydad,
A little known fact about the fight between David and Goliath was that a few people had gathered around to see the fight. One guy who had an axe to grind with david was all amped up and whispered to a skinny kid standing next to him “watch this little girl big man David is about to have his ass handed to him.”
The little girl looked up at the bearded man and said, “Wanna bet?”
I’m that little girl many many generations removed. So I ask you, wanna bet that the United States of America after being dragged through the Clinton Impeachment wanted Hillary Clinton to be president? I’ll answer that: NO. Was she the best candidate: Yes. Will she be the nominee: No. Will the Democrats pick up more seats in the House and Senate with Obama running: Hell yes!
So let’s really stay on topic here. The Clinton brand, it’s road kill. Pain’s right the best she can hope for is a bench post with the Supremes and that’s maybe two years out. There’s no one else to pick and it puts a dagger in the last branch that the right wing was trying to dominate. Imagine all the “activist” judges that can fly through confirmation to appeals courts in an eight year Obama administration. Black, liberal Ivy League jurisprudence experts who are men and women of faith and leave it at home when they don their robes. Scary for ya ain’t it? Pick a good veep like Sebelius and you 16 years of “activist” judge appointments.
The death of the Clinton brand has nothing to do with the GOP really it has to do with how fed up the American people are with people like you who can’t give an inch.
build the border fence and point the guns toward Mexico is what i said many YEARS ago but your president lurves some immigrants. Give the ones here amnesty and seal the border. You know that Southern border is a bigger issue than who hops over the fence at night or walks across the Rio Grande.
Two words: Cocaine and heroin.
Two more words: American demand.
So to have the White House Congress and the SCOTUS in six years PLUS hundreds of federal bench appointments and investigations of the Bush administration and what they did regarding the US Attys, email dumping, and narus Insight you can have the Clintons. Can i get that wrapped and delivered by November?
You had the House and Senate for 2 years and the White House what did you do with it? Nothing. Faith Based initiatives? Abstinence only sex ed? A mission to Mars? FutureGen coal plants? A victory parade for your heroes from Iraq or Afghanistan? Do you understand how far out of your depth you are? Patriotism is not enough you have to be able to read trends and when you blow it recognize why and learn from it. This is “No Country for Old Men.” Politics ain’t beanbag.
22. Retired Spook | February 23rd, 2008 at 2:59 pm
Yes if only there had been some sort of investigation of Clinton. Perhaps with a reasonable money limit of 50 million dollars, I bet we could learn all the deep horrible crimes the “psychopaths” had performed.
BARRASSO, I suspect a good investigative reporter could have uncovered a lot more criminal acts, and for a helluva lot less than what the Star Investigation cost. Instead, the MSM ran interference for the Clintons at almost every turn.
23. sleepygene | February 23rd, 2008 at 3:06 pm
I think the Clinton brand has certainly been weakened. I think the main reason is that because of the meteoric rise of Obama, warranted or not has caused alot of people to want a new tone in poltics. A politics that is hopeful not vengeful. I know Obama is a hopemonger and there is valid critisiscm that he is naive but people seem to gravitate to it.
People are tired of the back and forth that was the Clinton years and her candidacy to some seems like it could be an extension of those dificult years.
24. sleepygene | February 23rd, 2008 at 3:09 pm
Spook-
You think the MSM interfered with the FBI investigation of the whitewater, monica gate etc. I guess you don’t have much faith in our nations law enforcement officals.
25. BARRASSO | February 23rd, 2008 at 3:51 pm
Sorry but if you spend 50 million tax dollars and can only find him cheating on his wife, there is no there there. You can feign deep, deep outrage at his personal life but then you would have to vote out half of congress to not be a hypocrite. I think the drop in the Clinton star is to be blamed directly on Obama. Hillary just doesn’t have half the charisma of Obama, and McCain has about a quarter.
Blame him for being a hope pimp if you want, but bush has given eight years of fear, terror alerts, Iraq is gonna nuke us, Iran is gonna nuke us, Osama don’t matter, FEMA run by a horse trader and mission accomplished. Maybe people want a little hopeful talk.
Or they want someone in charge who looks like he gives a shit about the country.
26. navydad | February 23rd, 2008 at 4:44 pm
DT,
That’s one heck of a one-sided rant. From David & Goliath, to your hatred of old white men, to drugs and then on to a mission to mars and back to how great Hitlery would be as a SCJ…wow! No wonder the far left is being hung out to dry by the center.
There’s only three letters to describe your level of hatred…BDS.
Oh, I know, you’re going to comeback with the standard lines, and hatefilled rhetoric we’ve seen here for years…so knock yourself out…it’s entertaining.
27. Diane Tomlinson | February 23rd, 2008 at 4:59 pm
No dice, navydad, put your money where your mouth is. If you are sure your side owns the center make a prediction. How many house seats will you take back how many senate and will you take the White House in 2008?
28. JD | February 23rd, 2008 at 5:08 pm
Clinton is done. Chelsea on the other hand is looking mighty fine…
She should think about posing for a photo shoot like Lindsay Lohan recently did.
29. Kahn | February 23rd, 2008 at 5:27 pm
sleepygene said “I think the Clinton Brand is held in higher regard in the US and abroad than the Bush Brand.”
Hmmm, not in Africa where Bush has done more to fight AIDS, malaria, and other disease than any other president. I know the Mainstream press barely touched on it, but if you read up on the Presidents recent trip to Africa you would know this. So before you counter with some European poll, remember that you made a VERY broad statement that I just disproved.
30. BARRASSO | February 23rd, 2008 at 5:33 pm
Hatefilled rhetoric, says the guy who refers to a candidate as Hitlerey. The idea of BDS is a little weak considering the vast majority of the US population is suffering from it, it’s a massive epidemic.
Bush just got the lowest approval ratings for any president in history, but everyone else is wrong never question your stances people.
31. navydad | February 23rd, 2008 at 5:48 pm
DT
“No dice, navydad, put your money where your mouth is. If you are sure your side owns the center make a prediction. How many house seats will you take back how many senate and will you take the White House in 2008?”
# 1-Please show me where my side believes we own the middle or where I had said we did. What orfice did you pull this factoid out of? Like most kook libs, you have a tendency to conflate issues to serve your own self interests.
#2-You put your $ where your mouth is and prove why Hitlery is the best candidate…good luck with that one.
#3-No one can predict what will happen in Nov. But I can tell you this, and I’d bet a Morton’s steak dinner, you thought Hitlery would be coronated by now….be honest now.
Also DT, from what I gather, you have a HUGE chip on your shoulder for white males…so get over it. Or has the BDS anger destroyed your sense of reality? In either case, there’s help out there for angry people..
In closing DT, remember these three words: Contract with America. So, if the dems gain total control as you claim, I can’t wait to see the reforms…just like 2006…..LOL!!!
32. navydad | February 23rd, 2008 at 6:07 pm
Barrasso
“Hatefilled rhetoric, says the guy who refers to a candidate as Hitlerey.” I call ‘em like I see ‘em.
Hitlery’s positions:
-Socialized health care
-Tax the rich until they’re poor
-Give the poor false hope that they’ll be rich and claim it was the GOP’s fault.
-Claim years of successes without proof
-Send our troops into battle, then backpedal when the war isn’t working to her advantage.
-Claim the President went to war without her approval….right!
-Flunked the bar exam….oh, no one seems to remember this.
-How about Jennifer Flowers, Kathleen Willie and Monica…
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And on and on
I also like the way the left always claims “the vast majority” when speaking about GWB’s approval rating, but when referencing Congress..crickets.
BTW, GWB isn’t running again, and soon, neither will Hitlery…so get over it..too!
33. Christian Wright | February 23rd, 2008 at 7:12 pm
Let me add to the list.
She is stiffing small time vendors because they, just like small states, don’t matter.
Below is a list of bills that Hillary has not paid and are so overdue, that a few have taken her to small claims court. These are small businesses hurting for cash and she stiffs them!
Vendor Amount Description
All Iowa Agricultural Assoc., $990.00 Catering/Venue
Cinema Technology Services $5153.23 Equipment
City Of Peosta, IA $600.00 Catering/Venue
Dennis Dean Catering $4250.00 Catering/Venue
Hellenic Orthodox Comm. … $800.00 Catering/Venue
Heritage Trust $630.00 Catering/Venue
Iowa Falls. Comm. Sch.Dist. $640.00 Catering/Venue
Martha Clara Vinyards $1027.15 Catering/Venue
Michael Hensley Rental … $854.00 Equipment
Mo. Vall. Comm. Sch. Dist. $900.00 Catering/Venue
Muscatine Comm. Sch. Dist. $805.81 Catering/Venue
North Iowa Fair Assoc. $1000.00 Catering/Venue
Sale & Pepe Fine Foods … $2492.63 Catering/Venue
Town of Peterborough $750.00 Catering/Venue
YWCA of Machester $650.00 Catering/Venue
34. Michael | February 23rd, 2008 at 7:21 pm
not sure how you define the Clinton “brand”, but they have lost something much more important to them - their sense of entitlement to the Whitehouse is no longer believed by them nor their supporters. Obama is moving out in Texas, which will kill any chances of a Clinton comeback and her feeble attempts to “play nice”, e.g., the last debate, won’t salvage anything except what she already has, a Senate seat. There is no “wait til next time” in presidential circles for them, Obama saw to that; America, and the Democrats have tired of Ol’ Slick and his sidekick Hildebeast. This makes me happy but what makes me sad is that Obama is far more liberal than the triangulating Klintons. If he wins in November, it won’t take long for the rest of us to start suffering. Just one area: mandatory public service for college aid. Sounds like some kind of Commie draft.
35. sleepygene | February 23rd, 2008 at 7:47 pm
Kahn-
I recognize that Bush is very popular in many African nations that he has helped with his aids/malaria program. But I wonder what the public opinion is of Bush in Northern Africa, Libya, Sudan, Egypt, Morocco, Chad, ALgeria. Or how he would be recieved in the Middle East, or in Europe. Before you come back and quote me what leaders of certain countries said about Bush upon a presidential visit, that is not real evidence. It ceremonial diplomacy. Remember Bush looking into Putin’s eyes and seeing his soul, hogwash.
If you think that Bush is held in higher regard abroad generally than Clinton that is your perogative but I don’t think it is the correct sentiment.
36. eric | February 23rd, 2008 at 8:07 pm
“… mandatory public service for college aid. Sounds like some kind of Commie draft.”
Now, that is really funny. Laugh out loud funny. Thanks for the laugh.
37. Judith | February 23rd, 2008 at 10:23 pm
How come Charles Johnson doesn’t have these jerks on his blog? I too am tired of their scurrilous words. As for “old”, electing the Messiah will hand this country over to the tweenies who, after the election, will walk away and go back to drugging, drinking, MTV, Ipods, and that other thing they do so well. You are a fool if you think experience and wisdom don’t count, our founding fathers thought so and so has history proven. I know if jughead wins, I will turn my back and never acknowledge a muslim socialist. What a poof!
38. Kahn | February 23rd, 2008 at 10:29 pm
Well now sleepy - funny you should ask. Libya was working on a bomb to kill YOU. They stopped because of Iraq. Now, in a case like that and in the other nations where people hate Americans and want to kill them, isn’t fear and respect good enough? I mean, hey they may love us some day. But today, I’ll settle for them not killing me or people I know. Point?
In Europe, well what do ya know but people there have been rejecting governments hostile to us and replacing them with people who are in line with Bush’s policies. France is the best example. Most of Eastern Europe is on board.
Serbia doesn’t like him. What with keeping Clinton’s policy of letting them kill all their neighbors. But again, I don’t mind if genocidal maniacs don’t like us so long as they don’t kill people. Point?
Russia and China and their sphere of influence are our direct rivals. I don’t think I’d put much store in their rhetoric.
Maybe, just maybe the world doesn’t hate America and George Bush as much as the twisted leftist posters right here. Could be, that you’re part of the problem. Hate is not healthy. And you people DO hate.
39. Kahn | February 23rd, 2008 at 10:31 pm
Meanwhile I expect that if the next primary election fails, Clinton will pull out. Quietly work against Obama. And bide her time for 2012.
40. Casper | February 23rd, 2008 at 10:55 pm
I think what Obama has done best during the primaries is to make the Clintons look old. If he gets the nomination, it will be interesting to see if he can do the same with McCain.
41. Kahn | February 23rd, 2008 at 11:45 pm
I meant keeping Clinton’s policy of preventing the Serbs from committing genocide. A policy Bush has continued.
Interesting that Democrats are not concerned about a blood bath in Iraq if we pull out. Oh well, they must not be white enough to matter. Kind of like all those Cambodians, and Rawandans.
42. Ricorun | February 24th, 2008 at 12:58 am
navydad: Rico has more “middle-of-the-road” insight and rationale to his posts than just about all others. Don’t get a big head Rico, just my opinion…lol!
Not much likelihood in that. After all, the “middle-of-the-road” position on this blog is about as popular as zits on a beauty queen… or fingers on a leper. IMO.
Anyway, this particular topic is basically asking us to speculate on the long-term repurcussions of something that hasn’t even happened yet. To me, it’s little wonder why such a thing brings out the most florid brand of goofiness in people.
In keeping with the tone I will opine in similarly baseless manner that the only way to truly destroy the “Clinton Brand” is to drive a veritable wooden stake through its heart. But even if such were possible, one would first have to locate the heart. And good luck with that.
43. NeoClown | February 24th, 2008 at 1:09 am
Saturday Night Live disses Obama.
Gives Hillary a BIG plug.
Watch the Clintons rise in the polls.
44. TiredofLibBullShit | February 24th, 2008 at 5:51 am
“….Clinton’s policy of preventing the Serbs from committing genocide. A policy Bush has continued……”
Uh, we still have troops there. No exit strategy, nothing!
Where are the bitching libs?
Oh, right. It was their guy who sent them there and kept them there with no plan of pulling out and winning the peace. Amazing a fellow lib in the White House and they are willing to overlook anything.