Who’s Really The Racist?
by Matt Margolis on March 13th, 2008 at 11:08am
Geraldine Ferarro had to resign from the Hillary campaign for saying “If Obama was a white man, he would not be in this position. And if he was a woman (of any color) he would not be in this position. He happens to be very lucky to be who he is. And the country is caught up in the concept.” For this comment, she’s been called a racist. Was there really anything racist about it? No. Of course not. It all comes back to the ultimate truth that Barack Obama is a media star and has avoided a lot of scrutiny because of his race. Hillary has gone from presumed frontrunner for the Democratic nomination to fighting for survival because while the media has treated her far more severely than Barack Obama.
I’ve watched the two of them debate a number of times, and it was ridiculously apparent that she was getting tougher treatment. She can’t even attack Obama without accusations of racial insensitivity being raised. To bring up Obama’s past cocaine use is apparently racist. To mention his middle name is xenophobic and racist. To show his picture in an attack is racist. Barack Obama has become virtually untouchable in this campaign because his race has been used as a shield to protect him scrutiny.
Ferraro may have not chosen the best words to make her point — certain in defending herself she seems to be digging herself further into an whole — but there was nothing racist about what she was saying. Keith Olbermann equating her words with that of David Duke actually quite proves Ferraro’s point.
I’m sorry, but Geraldine Ferraro’s comments are far less offensive than the rhetoric of Barack Obama’s pastor and spiritual mentor, Jeremiah Wright:
[youtube:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAYe7MT5BxM]
But, I’m sure I’ll be called a racist for daring to talk about this.
UPDATE: More from Michael Graham.
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March 13th, 2008 at 11:21 am
You might be offended by former Rev. Jeremiah Wright’s comments but are they racist comments?
March 13th, 2008 at 11:43 am
Also, is Rev. Wright speaking on behalf of the Obama campaign? Geraldine Ferraro was speaking for and on behalf of the clinton campaign. Big difference.
March 13th, 2008 at 11:48 am
Wright’s comments are absolutely anti-white.
March 13th, 2008 at 11:56 am
Matt,
so what is your point. Is the reverand running for office? He really is not relevant to this discussion.
March 13th, 2008 at 12:02 pm
Phil,
This is the first time I’ve even mentioned this story, so your claim that we’re obsessed with this kidn of thing is stupid.
The story is absolutely newsworthy because Ferraro had to leave the campaign over what she said. You may not like the attention the story is getting… but that’s no reason for us to ignore the story. If you don’t like reading about what we feel is worth blogging about, then I have a simple solution for you: don’t visit this site anymore.
If you’re not willing to do that, then stop complaining about what we talk about, and either give your thoughts on story, or post your comments on another topic… You don’t have to like what we discuss on this site, but it’s not your place to say what we should or shouldn’t talk about.
March 13th, 2008 at 12:03 pm
As a Democrat and an Obama supporter, I’ll say this: The remarks of Jeremiah Wright are not like the remarks of Geraldine Ferarro. They’re more akin to the remarks and beliefs of John Hagee. Both McCain and Obama should distance themselves from discourse like this. It does nothing to move this country (or their campaigns) forward.
March 13th, 2008 at 12:03 pm
Sunny, the point is, he is Obama’s pastor and spiritual leader. It should bother everyone that this is the man Obama gets his moral guidance from.
March 13th, 2008 at 12:15 pm
“Sunny, the point is, he is Obama’s pastor and spiritual leader. It should bother everyone that this is the man Obama gets his moral guidance from.”
That only matters Mr Margolis to people obsessed with religion and not the issues. I’ve already noted at my blog spce that we’re only a few months from right wing bloggers using racial slurs in the clear wide open to make their point that Barack Obama is going to “do” something “bad” to white America.
How much more bad can he do than the real bad Bush has done in seven years?
March 13th, 2008 at 12:16 pm
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March 13th, 2008 at 12:20 pm
So are you planning to post some of Hagee’s sermons so that we can compare John McCain’s “spiritual mentor” and see if there’s any racism there?
Seriously, if you’re relegated to attacking ANY candidate over their race or gender, you may as well give up your own campaign. Politicians should be judged on their policies. Race and gender shouldn’t ever come into this.
Although I do disagree that Clinton has been given “favorable treatment” in debates, it’s a price she has to pay, because a part of the ticket she is running on it “I am more experienced than Obama.” And if you’re more experienced, you’re going to get grilled more about that experience.
Those who attack candidates on a personal level shouldn’t be involved in a campaign. Samantha Power found that out the hard way. When it gets personal it gets disgusting, and Geraldine Ferraro has sunk to that level. At least Samantha Power had the grace to resign and retract her comments, even though there may be a lot of people who agree with her.
You hit the nail on the head with one single sentence in this posting:
It’s not about attacking the candidate - or if it is, it shouldn’t be - it’s about attacking the policies. There’s a lot people could say about George W. Bush’s past that would have loyal Bush fans screaming about the unfairness - why the different rules there? I mean, if I were to post (even if I could back it up) the various mistakes Bush had made in his pre-presidential life, they would be deleted, and called off topic or personal attacks. Why? Because they have no relevance to his policies.
The growing trend in US Politics today is a weariness with a Bush or a Clinton in the Whitehouse. Clinton’s facing that backlash directly, John McCain less directly but still facing it when he endorses Bush’s policies and promises to continue them. People want to see some kind of a change, and right now it’s a three person race and the only person in the race who isn’t following Clinton policies or Bush policies is Obama.
March 13th, 2008 at 12:39 pm
In this campaign, the Obama crowd is counting on the use of race to silence critics. Surrogates associate any statement, advertisement, or use of Obama’s own words as some kind of racism.
It’s a tactic that has cowed the MSM, and has made the Clinton campaign start walking on eggshells.
The ridiculous comparison of the ‘3 AM’ ad with ‘Birth of a Nation’, is one example. Obama is counting on the fear of being called racist, to halt any real examination of his history and his hypocrisy.
March 13th, 2008 at 12:44 pm
Ms Ferraro’s comments about Obama were racist. And they follow on the heels of similar racial slurs offered up by Hillary’s husband. Ferraro said, “If Obama was a white man, he would not be in this position.” How is this not racist? It is saying that the color of his skin is why he is where he is. I have yet to have that logic adequatey explained to me. It is not a “truth that cannot be spoken”, it is a racial slur. Obama is where he is for several reasons, none of which have to do with race. His eloquence in speaking, his offering hope and change, him being the antithesis of long-term Washington insiders - all play into where he is. It matters not which color he is. As a matter of fact, one comparison is that he is like Bobby Kennedy. Next Ferraro said, ” And if he was a woman (of any color) he would not be in this position.” What a monumentally stupid thing to say. Who is his opponent? A woman. This is a sexist remark for sure. Poor women can’t seek high office (except for Hillary) I guess. Hillary had to get rid of her and refute her remarks and aplogize for them for they were racist and sexist. Ferraro pulled the same stunt when she ran for VP attacking Jesse Jackson with the same words. Hillary should have avoided her from the beginning which shows Hillary’s poor judgement. Even more poor judgement comes from the fact that there is more than enough reasons to attack Obama for his positions and things like his goofy war plan. No need to stoop to these levels.
March 13th, 2008 at 1:03 pm
I am not obsessed with religion. You are obsessed with ignoring anything that could be damaging to Obama.
Arctic, Hagee’s comments have actually already been discussed here. Look before you leap buddy. And who are you kidding about Hagee being McCain’s spirtual mentor? He endorsed McCain, and McCain has since rejected Hagee’s anti-Catholic sentiments. If you’re going to call Hagee McCain’s spiritual mentor, then you have to Farrakhan Obama’s other spiritual mentor.
March 13th, 2008 at 1:11 pm
Boy if only I knew that we should vote based on what religous zealot backed a candidate.
And to think we’ve all tried voting based on poicies.
So, I’m losing track….
Obama is:
– a socialist
– a communist
– backs FARC (yes, that was actually one person’s comment last week)
– Loves Chavez and Che
– Is a muslim (because that is so bad)
– Will put Kenya’s needs above the U.S.’s.
– Is a wuss because he said he would talk to Cuba without any pre-conditions (oh the horror!!!)
– and now because this pastor is a freakshow, then Obama must be a freakshow because obviously every decision is to obey this guy.
I’m sure I’ve missed something. You people are getting just so completely bizarre.
March 13th, 2008 at 1:30 pm
Thanks Joe.
+1
(they are not “getting” bizarre, they ARE bizarre)
March 13th, 2008 at 1:41 pm
Oh hey… I forgot one of my favorites!
They will be dancing in the streets of the Middle East because of his middle name.
How could I forget that gem?
March 13th, 2008 at 1:45 pm
Nice one joe :)
You forgot, he also has big ears and is black or … excuse me, “colored”…
March 13th, 2008 at 1:46 pm
Oh yeah… and I think according to a FoxNews poll he might also be the candidate of choice for Usama Bin Laden.
March 13th, 2008 at 1:57 pm
The truth of the matter is this: the Republican Party is beside itself because it does not have a candidate like Barack Obama. So, they will stoop to any level to damage him - nothing is off limits. It is the Roveplan for Republicans. Hit below the belt. The only thing is - it isn’t working. Those who actually have listened to Senator Obama find his youth and intelligence refreshing and inspiring. They are drawn to this man even though he does not have years of experience. The Republicans do not have anyone in the entire party with that kind of chrisma, let alone running for president. So, they are jealous and will try to scare the public with this boogyman Obama. They forget that the father of the Republican Party, Abraham Lincoln, had probably the least amount of experience of any candidate before he became president and did a pretty good job. They have forgotten that an intelligent person can make good decisions without years of experience. It has been so long since we have had intelligence in the White House. And most of all, they are terrified that if Obama is elected he might just do an outstanding job. They pray he will fail!
March 13th, 2008 at 1:59 pm
The nightmare scenario that is Barack Obama as POTUS.
As all presidents before him, President Obama will have all the protections awarded him by Executive Privilege. And if those protections aren’t sufficient, by virtue of being a black man, President Obama will be insulated by an additional ring of protection.
To dare disapprove of a President Obama initiative would be an act of political suicide. To voice concerns regarding any decision made by President Obama will bring a tirade of racism charges against the questioner.
If President Obama chooses to send Africa a hundred billion a month to fight AIDS, who would be stupid enough to question him? If President Obama chooses to pay reparations to all African Americans for slavery then I guess it’s the right thing to do. Maybe he will disband the military and reassign the Pentagons budget to Urban Development programs. Bye-bye NASA, hello UNCF.
The media has decided that questioning Obama is off-limits; and in many cases, they have fallen in love with him outright. When the media decides that it is politically incorrect to question our government leaders, we as a nation are in big trouble. It isn’t just our right to question our government leaders; it is our responsibility to do so.
March 13th, 2008 at 2:01 pm
Sunny,
Well, he does have years of experience actually. Just not being president. But neither does McCain or Hillary (except she was first lady).
It’s just politics man. They might be a little concerned that he mght actually win but I am pretty worried that McCain could win as well.
March 13th, 2008 at 2:19 pm
NeoClown,
Why would you think that you can’t question a President Obama just as much as you could question a President Hillary Clinton or a President John McCain?
I don’t understand why and you certainly don’t give any reasons.
With all due respect, your post doesn’t give any clues as to why questioning him is not allowed.
The media may be harder on hillary, but to suggest that questioning him is off limits for the media I think is pushing that a bit far.
March 13th, 2008 at 2:20 pm
“…When the media decides that it is politically incorrect to question our government leaders, we as a nation are in big trouble. It isn’t just our right to question our government leaders; it is our responsibility to do so.” - Clown
Where have you been living? Where was this media responsibility that your so adamantly provocating in 2000 - 2004? As for executive privilege and people being called racist for questioning Obama, do you remember what happened to the Dixie Chicks? Or even Kanya West? It’s almost as if the last 8 years have not existed but if Obama becomes president they will. ‘BIZARRE’ is right
March 13th, 2008 at 2:25 pm
Ok, this is pure silliness. Besides “Executive Privilege” is now a very sore spot in the way American politics works thanks to the current president.
Dude, just disagreeing with someone’s political policies in general is not “racist”. It is as a matter of fact the way our government works and Obama is very aware of this and would respect it.
So, sending aid to do something that is pro-human rights would be bad. Disagreeing with it would be “racist”?… huh? If you disagree with it because of the money then fine. Maybe it would be better spent somewhere else. But aids is a human rights and moral issue not a race issue. It kills a lot of people and there are ways to reduce or stop it so why shouldn’t we the United States be involved in that good deed?
Yeah, because the way our system is set up the President can just do whatever he wants without Congress’ approval… well, I was being sarcastic but after the Bush administration that might be closer to truth anymore.
Right, like the media is going to leave him alone. You’re wrong there buddy. However, a really good president will have less negative media coverage than a really bad one. That’s just common sense. Besides, turn that around and put Bush in there instead. Anytime I question Bush’s actions you guys call it BDS. How often do you truly question our republican leadership, eh?
March 13th, 2008 at 2:36 pm
As reported by ccbs2Chicago.com on August 28, 2008, in their story: Obama’s Criticism Irks Kenyan Government, “Government Says Obama Is A Stooge For Political Opposition”. “A potential presidential candidate himself, Odinga’s been at Obama’s elbow here fairly often and is a member of the Obama family’s Luo tribe.” It should be noted that this may fit with the membership of Trinity United Church of Christ commitment to a 10-point Vision item 7: “A congregation with a non-negotiable COMMITMENT TO AFRICA.”
“At the time of his visit in 2006, President Kibaki’s spokesman complained that Mr. Obama was behaving like a “stooge” of Mr. Odinga — which was at best undignified for a visiting American senator, and at worst unwarranted interference in the internal politics of another country.”
http://www.salemthesoldier.us/jonsson_obama_2008_series_04.html
Truth is, Obama is a sham. He will say anything and do anything to grab power. His words are lies, and his connections to Reza is evidence of the fact that Obama can not be trusted.
You liberals are naive to think he is anything but a racist black, belonging to the Trinity Church.
March 13th, 2008 at 2:40 pm
If President Obama chooses to send Africa a hundred billion a month to fight AIDS, who would be stupid enough to question him? If President Obama chooses to pay reparations to all African Americans for slavery then I guess it’s the right thing to do. Maybe he will disband the military and reassign the Pentagons budget to Urban Development programs. Bye-bye NASA, hello UNCF. the clown
You really are a clown. I guess our House and Senate will be disbanded should Obama become president??? And since he is not nor was his a father a decedent of slaves, I doubt that he has as much interest in reparations as you might think. I realize that George Bush has acted as though he is a king, but that does not necessarily mean Obama would do the same. This is a well educated man - who taught constitutional law at an IL law school. I am confident that he understands the constitution much better than Bush, who called it a damn piece of paper. I can understand your apprehension after the past seven years - we have not been much of a law and order country. And I do hope that you will remember in your criticism of Obama should he become president that Bush has set a president of pretty much ignoring laws he doesn’t like and the signing statements he has signed to basically say, screw you, I will do what I want. Now, I do understand your trepidation - it is kind of scary to think the next president might l continue with the Bush doctrine. Hopefully Obama will not pick a Dick Cheney for VP. You can always hope, but you Bush lovers really deserve this.
March 13th, 2008 at 2:40 pm
JS has a point, Joe…
We forgot to come full circle and decalre Obama a racist black. I hesitate to use the silly phrase “reverse racism”… people wouldn’t still go there, would they?
March 13th, 2008 at 2:51 pm
You liberals are naive to think he is anything but a racist black, belonging to the Trinity Church.
See… that is where you are wrong!!
He is obviously a “Racist black socialist, communist, Muslim, Africa-lover, Chavez-Lover who belongs to the Trinity Church.”
Really why the hell does anyone give a crap what church he belongs to or even if he belongs to any church at all? Would you be more pissed if he said he was an Athiest and didn’t belong to any church?
March 13th, 2008 at 3:35 pm
Matt said, “And who are you kidding about Hagee being McCain’s spirtual mentor?”
Well, bad news. Matt’s right. From http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article3548250.ece (and lots of other sources):
“John McCain, the presumptive Republican presidential nominee, has been called upon to renounce a church leader he considers his spiritual guide for urging a Christian war to destroy the ‘false religion’ of Islam … Standing side-by-side with the minister, Mr McCain hailed him as a ’spiritual guide’ … Mr Parsley speaks of Allah as a ‘demon spirit’ and urges ‘war between Islam and Christian civilisation’. There is no difference between violent Islamist extremists and moderate Muslims, he argues.”
So Matt may want to laugh off that McCain would enlist anyone as crazy as Hagee as a “spirtual mentor,” but McCain’s done just that, hasn’t he?
March 13th, 2008 at 3:37 pm
Mebe yu three stooges need to go spend some time in Russia. I hear they reflect the ideals you push here. You dont have to worry about anyone telling the truth about politicians because there they put people like me in Jail, or kill us, for voicing legitimate and true facts about them. And, maybe you should also spend time in Iran as well. Under sharia, which is what Obama has endorsed for Kenya, you might just come up with some better rhetoric than the lame, juvenile trash talking that you do here.
The only thing that is certain is that not one of you three stooges has put up any argument whatsoever that could legitimately explain the facts as they stand, and our understanding of thier implications. As usual, all you three are good for is wasting blog space.
March 13th, 2008 at 3:41 pm
Obama and his Rezko ties
http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/353829,CST-NWS-rez23.article
March 13th, 2008 at 3:43 pm
It turns out that Auchi, convicted in Europe for operating a massive kickback scheme, gave Obama $3.5 million just weeks before the senator purchased a pricey mansion in an exclusive Chicago neighborhood. Auchi funneled the money to Obama through the senator’s friend and campaign bankroller, Antoin Rezko, the Syrian businessman charged with influence peddling, extortion and conspiracy.
http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/convicted-iraqi-billionaire-gave-obama-millions
March 13th, 2008 at 3:44 pm
Judicial Watch Announces List of Washington’s “Ten Most Wanted Corrupt Politicians” for 2007
http://www.judicialwatch.org/judicial-watch-announces-list-washington-s-ten-most-wanted-corrupt-politicians-2007
March 13th, 2008 at 3:48 pm
So when Obama hits the streets with the Pro-Black-African Church, you can bet they have no interest helping white people that dont come from africa.
The truth is, Trinity is a racist church. If any race in any state represented racial aspects like Trinity does, Jesse and AL would land with both feet running in under 24 hours to object. Its true. They are all Racist Biggots, so by self acknowledgement, Obama belongs to a racist church.
There isnt anything about American in that aspect of this corrupt politician. People must do a lot of drugs to agree with him, either that or he is one Talented Liar.
Either way, when the DNC puts him out there, thier ship is going to sink. The truth, and nothing but the truth, will guarantee that.
March 13th, 2008 at 3:57 pm
JS,
If Obama belongs to a racist church then so does McCain (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article3548250.ece) Courtesy of Amanda.
Whats your point? Congress shall make no law restricting freedom of religion. That being said, religious background does not matter and should not matter. This is a non-issue and is taking focus away from important issues such as the Economy, Immigration and the War.
March 13th, 2008 at 4:02 pm
Apparently, Pastor Wright has been a key supporter of Louis Farrakhan for many years.
Farrakhan has repeatedly made statements targeting America, Jews, and homosexuals. He has called white folks “blue-eyed devils.” He has described Jews as “bloodsuckers” who control the government and the media.
Just before Barack’s political kickoff rally last year, he decided it was probably not a good idea to allow his pastor to give the public invocation as planned. When asked why Obama made that decision Wright said,
“When Obama’s enemies find out that in 1984 I went to Tripoli to visit Muammar el-Qaddafi with Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan, a lot of his Jewish support will dry up quicker than a snowball in hell.”
Making matters worse, the IRS recently said it is looking into whether a speech Obama delivered at the denomination’s June 2007 convention constituted illegal political activity by a nonprofit organization.
Apparently, the IRS is launching this investigation because “reasonable belief exists that the United Church of Christ has engaged in political activities that could jeopardize its tax-exempt status.”
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/632615/is_barack_obama_a_racist_or_guilty.html
Trinity is racist to the core.
March 13th, 2008 at 4:18 pm
js, enough with your links to Judicial Watch. On their side-bar, they have “HillaryWatch”. Are you claiming that they are not a partisan hack website?
Of the things that you listed…
Obama-Rezko
Obama-Saudi money
10 most corrupt
How many of those has Obama been charged with? Was he indicted? Was he even admonished by any ethics committee?
So you can believe things you read from a conservative hack website if you want.
I have to laugh at that top 10 most corrupt list. Amazingly enough, those that disagree with the GOP the most are on the list.
Hillary #1
Conyers #2
#3 is interesting. Larry Craig? How is getting caught looking for sex in a men’s bathroom corrupt? He must be the token Repub that they wanted to throw in there to look bipartisan.
Obama, Pelosi and Reid make up #8, 9 and 10.
What a freaking joke you are JS. Wait. let me search for some liberal websites that look official to find some wildly stretched allegations about your GOP buddies.
March 13th, 2008 at 4:18 pm
36. Some Assembly Required
Either you are a halfwit or you didnt read the article. Nowhere in that article does it represent that McCain attended any church, nor did it imply that McCaim endorsed Parsleys views.
Are you a sucker for conspiracy theories or what!!
March 13th, 2008 at 4:24 pm
38. Joe
Who are you? Joe? Oh ya, ONE of the three stooges.
You just dont get it. You remind me of someone who would drink Champain out of his old sneeker because you saw it on TV.
You really dont have anything real in your post, just more lips flapping, immature, high school BS. You miss the main picture. You are clueless. It went way, way over your head, totally beyond your comprehension. You proved, once again, that you are a witless child trying to play grownup. It doesnt work.
Go away for a few years and grow up. Not that it makes you any more mature, but go away anyhow. Try.
March 13th, 2008 at 4:29 pm
Thanks for all that wonderful advice JackasS. Way to backup your posts. Oh wait… you couldn’t. Just hurl out names at me.
This blog has become a huge joke.
March 13th, 2008 at 5:27 pm
41. Joe
Back up my posts? There you go again, with your halfwitted lip service.
Take the advice number three stooge.
March 13th, 2008 at 5:57 pm
RE: 39. JS | March 13th, 2008 at 4:18 pm
From the article
“Mr McCain appeared at a campaign rally in Cincinnati with the evangelical pastor, who praised the candidate as a “strong, true, consistent conservative”. With Mike Huckabee, a Baptist preacher, then continuing to snap at his heels, Mr Parsley’s endorsement was a boon to Mr McCain’s efforts to knock out his last remaining challenger and win over social conservatives. Standing side-by-side with the minister, Mr McCain hailed him as a “spiritual guide”.”
But your right, he didn’t attend the church, he just called the man a spiritual guide. He did not say ‘his’ spiritual guide though so I suppose it’s irrelevant hey. Nevermind the fact that the man is an extremist who is so obviously disconnected with reality and reason. It truly is a wonder he has not been institutionalized, let alone that he’s had a book published. Sounds like one he!! of a Spiritual Guide to me.
I’m sorry sir, but do you not advocate against personal insults and name calling from Lefty Liberal Loons (LLL)?!?! Huh, funny
March 13th, 2008 at 6:02 pm
JS,
One more thing since you obviously missed the point of my post #36 I’ll copy and paste it for you
Congress shall make no law restricting freedom of religion. That being said, religious background does not matter and should not matter. This is a non-issue and is taking focus away from important issues such as the Economy, Immigration and the War.
March 13th, 2008 at 6:04 pm
Look moron, Mohammad was a spiritual guide. That doesnt mean squat, he was also called a war lord, pedophile, murderer, and a liar.
But somehow, you seem to think its “all that”.
Your soft spot is in your head I see.
March 13th, 2008 at 6:06 pm
45. Some Assembly Required
You must be the second stooge if you think we should elect a black racist who endorses sharia by overthrowing the government of our ally.
Very SOFT in the head. Quit playing with yourself. Every post you look stupider.
March 13th, 2008 at 6:09 pm
45. Some Assembly Required
One more thing since you obviously dont have any capacity to act like a thinking adult, elections are not laws by Congress, so you have made a totally stupid comment (AGAIN) in your struggle to prove that stupidity is superior to reality.
Graz, stooge.
March 13th, 2008 at 6:32 pm
JS,
Please stop, your making yourself look like a ‘moron’ as you are so quick to call me. The whole purpose of this thread was to try to shed doubts about Obama because he had Jeremy Wright as a Spiritual Advisor
“I’m sorry, but Geraldine Ferraro’s comments are far less offensive than the rhetoric of Barack Obama’s pastor and spiritual mentor, Jeremiah Wright:” - Matt Margolis
But when McCain has a crackpot who he calls a ’spiritual guide’ all of a sudden a ’spiritual advisor’ means nothing. This crackpot believes America was founded with the intention of destroying the ‘false religion’ of Islam.
I’m not defending Obama here, Jeremiah Wright is just as much of a crackpot. Just saying it really should not make a difference. I mean the issues that face the US are far more important than any candidates religious beliefs.
Heres a hypothetical scenario for you…
Say a man or woman is running with a solution to world hunger and can bring about world peace. The only catch is, they study and practice an extreme version of Scientology openly. Would you really sacrifice all that just because you do not agree with that persons beliefs and still call yourself a Christian?
Elections are not laws by congress, very good. But these laws by congress enable anyone to practice whatever religion they see fit. Just like it is your right not to vote for them because you do not agree with their beliefs as opposed to how they can help the country.
March 13th, 2008 at 6:35 pm
I dont know how one person could type so much and say so little SAR.
Give up. You lost, and havent even figured it out.
That IS slow!!
March 13th, 2008 at 6:42 pm
JS,
Funny, some could say the same about people who still think the Iraq war is a Success…
March 13th, 2008 at 6:44 pm
Hey libs…did you see the screw motion by the black minister? Here’s to ya!!
March 13th, 2008 at 6:54 pm
51. Some Assembly Required
What was that, wit?
Impressive, three stooges and one wit.
LoL. The best you got is less one wit.
March 13th, 2008 at 7:20 pm
A quick web-search revealed that John McCain and his immediate family are members of North Phoenix Baptist Church. The Pastor there is named Dan Yeary, according to their website. Not John Hagee, nor Rod Parsley, neither of whom are Baptists. Jeremiah Wright, on the other hand, is Barack Obama’s Pastor and has been so for the past 20 years; a bit more intimate than an election year endorsement. I don’t know about anyone else, but if my Pastor used the N-word, and from the pulpit at that, I wouldn’t be a member of his church any longer.
March 13th, 2008 at 8:31 pm
Wow, you wingnuts really hate Christianity.
March 13th, 2008 at 9:01 pm
The one thing that hinders this country more than any other is our inability to be, act, and represent ourselves as one people, Americans. We are not black, we are not white, we are not indians, nor chinese or japanese, we are Americans.
Segregation, setting any race apart from others, is the recipe for the destruction of this nation. Blacks cannot have a separate society from whites, nor can hispanics, nor japanese, nor can white men. We have to all jump into the melting pot, become one people, one race, the race of men.
This is the only way we can solve our problems. Not by emphasizing our differences, but by magnifying our unity through assimilation into one society.
Electing Obama to the Office of President, as the leader of the Free world, would fracture this nation more than anything in history.
March 13th, 2008 at 10:07 pm
Meanwhile, a second Muslim was just elected to serve in the U.S. Congress. You right-wing wackos must be really freaking out!!!!
Imagine what his Mosque is teaching him!
March 13th, 2008 at 10:14 pm
Guess who used the Unmentionable Middle Name first? Answer: Barack Hussein Obama The Wall Street Journal :
March 13th, 2008 at 10:35 pm
Joe -
Glad you mentioned that. This is bad for America.
“Imagine what his Mosque is teaching him!” - Joe
Probably this: Study: 3 in 4 U.S. Mosques Preach Anti-West Extremism: Secret survey exposes widespread radicalism (WND)
“‘The vast majority’ are inciting insurrection and jihad” AGAINST AMERICA “through sermons by Saudi-trained imams and anti-Western literature”.
This is treason and sedition against the United States of America.
March 13th, 2008 at 11:03 pm
Attacking a candidates Christian church of choice. That’s pretty swell of those of you who are Christians.
March 13th, 2008 at 11:10 pm
Hard to believe, but it gets worse…
Obama’s Pastor: God Damn America, U.S. to Blame for 9/11. - ABC News
(Video): Obama’s Pastor Jeremiah Wright, Jr.
What person in their right mind would call Pastor Jeremiah Wright, Jr. “one of the greatest preachers in the country”?!?
Barack Obama spent 20 years listening to Pastor Wright’s sermons. 20 years.
This may sink Barack Hussein Obama’s campaign.
March 13th, 2008 at 11:23 pm
Pastor Wright is part of Obama’s Campaign - Politico.com
March 14th, 2008 at 12:05 am
SteaM,
I can’t comment about the state of Mr. Wright’s soul, but I can say that I get the distinct impression that I wouldn’t be welcome at his church and the sole reason for this lack of welcome would be my skin color.
For us Christians, we are all brothers and sisters - Mr. Wright is fully welcome at my parish; at my parish, we have people representing all ethnic groups. We all worship together and try to express love for one another, as Our Lord commanded. We naturally fall far short of what we should do, but we are trying. And, at my parish, there is also expressed a wide variety of opinion - our pastor is clearly against the campaign in Iraq and has expressed himself on the subject in public…so its not like we don’t tolerate dissent, either.
From what I’ve been able to gather about Mr. Wright, it seems that his message is one of hatred, envy and despair - hatred of white people; envy against those who have done well; despair of ever getting it right unless a mountebank like Wright is in charge.
Now, this man Wright is not just some preacher who happens to support Obama - he is Obama’s pastor; Obama’s spiritual director, just as my pastor directs my spiritual life. I go to my pastor for advice and for instruction - he’s not just some guy mouthing off, but a representative of God to me; he’s teaching me of my Savior and what I must do to live a Christian life.
Wright officiated at Obama’s wedding; Wright has baptised Obama’s children - Obama thus needs to explain himself here…explain, that is, why anyone in 2008 would belong to a group preaching such hatred and division.
March 14th, 2008 at 1:25 am
Approximately 20 years ago, Barack Obama chose a church. The Church of Christ has many parishes, yet Barack Obama chose a church which has, consistently, preached a philosophy of remaining separate from whites, of blaming whites, of being stridently anti-American, of being very unforgiving and hateful.
I have always believed that people chose a religion which most closely reflects their personal beliefs. Way back in high school, which was a long long time ago, I wrote an essay called “And Man Created God, and Created Him In His Own Image” about that very thing—dogmatic and intolerant people chose dogmatic and intolerant religions, mellow what-the-heck types believe in a mellow and non-judgmental God, etc.
So this is not a new, much less politically motivated, observation about Obama. Something in this very hateful, very hostile, religious community appealed so deeply to something in him, and continued to meet his personal needs, that he has remained faithful to this congregation and its pastor.
So yes, the teachings of the pastor ARE relevant to Barack Obama.
McCain, accepted the support of a man who is also hateful and unpleasant—but he didn’t know the man personally, never called him his friend, did not worship in this man’s church, and in general had only the most superficial contact with him. We have no way of knowing just how much McCain actually knew of Hagee’s background or teachings when he accepted his support.
But we do know that Obama has deep, long-standing, and personal knowledge of Wright’s beliefs and teachings—-and that he apparently has accepted them for two decades.
Even for a group known for its folly, even for a movement dedicated to being as inconsistent and hypocritical as possible, it is amazing that the radical Left can actually claim that Obama’s church membership is not relevant.
Note that this is NOT the same thing as his religion. He could belong to any Church of Christ, he could belong to any church of any denomination, and the denomination would not matter. But the choice to support and follow a man like Wright for 20 years is significant. It says a lot about Obama, and it says things we need to examine.
Of course this is going to be acceptable to the fanatical Left, as it so closely echoes their own pathology. It is hate-driven, it is anti-American, and it is based on the Victim/Villain paradigm. It focuses on turning one group against another, and fomenting anger, distrust, and even hatred of those who are different.
March 14th, 2008 at 6:43 am
“I can’t comment about the state of Mr. Wright’s soul, but I can say that I get the distinct impression that I wouldn’t be welcome at his church and the sole reason for this lack of welcome would be my skin color.”
Mark,
I seem to remember seeing people of white skin colour in that video. Nice try though
March 14th, 2008 at 7:40 am
Yes you are right Some Assembly Required there is quite a diverse congregation at barack obama’s church unlike that of most of the Sunday gatherings in the American South. We, Ourselves do know that Sunday is the most segregated day of the week from Texas to Maryland yet another lasting legacy of the love the American majority still has for Jim Crow.
March 14th, 2008 at 8:06 am
“I seem to remember seeing people of white skin colour in that video. Nice try though”
Did anyone every claim that the con doesnt work on weak minded people? Take yourself for example. Its absolutely true.
March 14th, 2008 at 8:07 am
hows that go…
Ima black man, I preach for Black people, and I condemn whity.
Where is that concept in the Bible? Please, show us. There are people out there that want to know.
March 14th, 2008 at 8:10 am
maybe the reason white men dont say nigger is because jessie jackson and al sharpton tend to run and sue white who do~~note the concept is biggotry in real life when blacks call each other nigger and sue the white for doing the same thing!!
hypocricy
hy·poc·ri·sy (hĭ-pŏk’rĭ-sē) Pronunciation Key
n. pl. hy·poc·ri·sies
The practice of professing beliefs, feelings, or virtues that one does not hold or possess; falseness.
An act or instance of such falseness.
March 14th, 2008 at 8:14 am
The same place JS where Protestant preachers found in the Bible that it was their birthright to hold black men and women in bondage. We would be delighted to point you to some of the vast wealth of sermons given in the antebellum South regarding this position.
March 14th, 2008 at 8:18 am
71. Pain | March 14th, 2008 at 8:14 am
‘The same place ….. ”
Sorry, Im not a Protestant. Exactly where is it located? (as if your sarcastic be-hind knows)….
March 14th, 2008 at 8:23 am
also note that your link contains “0″ quotes from the bible….
March 14th, 2008 at 8:40 am
68. JS | March 14th, 2008 at 8:06 am
Weak minded or not, ‘whites’ are still in the congregation and are not being lynched.
Protestant, Anglican, Roman catholic, Trinity… All Christians. All believe in the ten commandments. All have extremists factions. So please in your infinite wisdom sir, enlighten us as to which one is better and more holy.
March 14th, 2008 at 8:52 am
tell us, whats so christian about this?
“people have to put up with…WHO CARES about what a poor black man has to face every day in a country and a culture controlled by rich white people…” “Jesus was a poor black man”…(note; Isreali’s are not black, neither was Jesus…)…”just came to me in the last few weeks why people are hating Barak Obama…he doesnt fit the model…he aint White…he aint Rich…an he aint privliged…”hillary never had a cab wizzz past her and not pick her up because her skin was the wrong color”…”I am sick of negro’s who just do not getit”….
Thats not preaching Christianity. That racism, pure and unadulterated. Go suck up to the liars on your liberal boards, we dont buy the lies here.
March 14th, 2008 at 8:53 am
You can fool some of the people, some of the time, but thats because they dont know better.
March 14th, 2008 at 9:04 am
“Thats not preaching Christianity. That racism, pure and unadulterated. Go suck up to the liars on your liberal boards, we dont buy the lies here.”
No, your too busy selling them as facts.
All Religions have extremist factions. Jeremiah Wright is a racist, I never said he wasn’t. What’s your point?
March 14th, 2008 at 9:10 am
Why do you lie? Did you parents do something to you that makes you hate the truth? First, you say there are white people in this clip. Fact; there is ONE white woman, thats it, not plural, and ONE white person doesnt change the facts about what TRINITY “is”.
ANd now, your calling FACT lies? Is that a part of your stooges act? To turn right upside down? To take the truth and make it a lie?
This “sermon” is nothing more than instigating hatred toward whites in front of a black audience. This baffoon (who is a biggot) ignores the rich blacks who are in society, just like you ignore the racism that he spits out inciting anti white belief.
Thats NOT Christian. And if you disagree, why dont you put it in verse and chapter? Too stupid? Or does the truth bear witness to your lies?
March 14th, 2008 at 9:11 am
76. JS | March 14th, 2008 at 8:53 am
I think you mean this right?
“You can fool some people sometimes,
But you can’t fool all the people all the time.
So now we see the light (What you gonna do?),
We gonna stand up for our rights!” - Bob Marley
March 14th, 2008 at 9:13 am
enough of the pity party in black churches, this is america, its not controlled by rich white people, its controlled at the election booth, where 90% of the people who vote make far, far less than what it takes to be “rich white” people.
wtf, obama is a racist, a member of a radical racist church…is the truth too hard to admit stooge number 2?
March 14th, 2008 at 9:16 am
79. Some Assembly Required
what are you, 12 years old?
I ment what I said, and I said what I ment.
The saying predates bob marley by at least a century…he just copied it….even us poor indians on the reservation used the phrase from waaay back before marley was even born
March 14th, 2008 at 9:19 am
You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time.
Abraham Lincoln, (attributed)
16th president of US (1809 - 1865)
I mean, really, Lincoln said what you said a hundred years before marleys parents were born…
pull someone elses leg, mine doesnt jingle.
March 14th, 2008 at 12:12 pm
“wtf, obama is a racist, a member of a radical racist church…is the truth too hard to admit stooge number 2?”
When has Obama ever made racist comments or been called a racist? He is a member of a church whose paster is a radical racist, therefore he’s guilty of racism by association?!?! So what about the argument I made earlier about McCain calling Rod Parsley a ’spiritual guide’. He is not associated?!?!?
As for the Marley quote, it obviously did make your leg ‘jingle’ judging from how you went about responding to it.
It’s obvious debating you on this issue is a complete waste of time.
Regards
March 14th, 2008 at 12:12 pm
Mark,
My southern baptist church that I attended FOR 18 YEARS hardly had any black members. I say that because there were a few here and there out of the thousand or so regular attendees. We had one black family that were members the entire time I was there. Otherwise it was just people stopping in to check out the church. They never really came back… maybe not feeling very comfortable, I know I wouldn’t.
My pastor, albeit not my spiritual mentor by any means, and the church organization he represented told me who to vote for, what music to listen to, what not to do, what to do, who to like, who to hate (even though they didn’t know they were preaching hatred and intolerance), and that gay people were confused sinners who would go to hell unless I prayed for them and talked them into going straight and asking for forgiveness.
What a crock.
But hey, that’s their right to say and believe those things. My point is I was fed that for 18 years and I don’t live by everything that I was told. Some of it I do live by, I do have some morals and values even if i am dirty liberal hippy :)
I’m saying that it’s obvious Barack doesn’t hang onto every word his preacher has ever said. I hold onto very few of the things mine told me. However, mine was not a mentor to me.
Either way, this is silly. You guys just don’t like Obama even though he’s going to be one of the most inspirational and amazing president’s we’ve ever had.
Good goin!
March 14th, 2008 at 1:39 pm
JS,
How many do you need?
Gen. ix: 25, 26, 27
1 Tim. 6:1-2
Exodus 21:7-9
Matthew 10:24
John 13:16
Levit. xxv: 44
We feel those are good start.
March 15th, 2008 at 6:47 am
RE: 85. Pain | March 14th, 2008 at 1:39 pm
Pain, if you actually think that those verses say what you think they say, then why in the world would Barack Obama or any black individual or any woman freely choose to become a Christian??? That’s absurd.
March 15th, 2008 at 9:29 am
We have been wondering that for one hundred and seven years.