The Race Chickens Come Home to Roost
March 18th, 2008 at 08:44am Mark Noonan
Interesting bit from Politico:
In the past, Obama has made racial issues, and his own precedent-shattering status, a minor note in his message. But Obama said Monday he recognizes that there is no way he is going to become the Democratic nominee without a forthright statement about the role of race in American life.
“I think it would have been naive for me to think I could run and end up with quasi-front-runner status in a presidential election as potentially the first African-American president, that issues [of] race wouldn’t come up, any more than Sen. Clinton could expect that gender issues might not come up,” Obama told interviewer Gwen Ifill on PBS’s “NewsHour With Jim Lehrer.”
Well, Senator, it wouldn’t have come up had you not, for 20 years, blithely attended the sermons of a foaming-at-the-mouth race-baiter. This is being hoist upon your own petard - you, and the rest of the Democratic leadership, have played this nonsensical, hateful and dishonest race game for the past 30 years, and now you’re caught up in it. Here you are, Senator, with an even money shot (at this point) of becoming the next President of the United States, and yet you still don’t seem to understand that a preacher who claims that America is a racist nation which keeps the black man down is someone who is entirely divorced from reality - or is a nasty bigot using hate to keep a captive audience ponying up.
Have you no sense, Senator? Or, lacking that, at least a sense of shame? For crying out loud, look at yourself! You are the mixed-race son of a foreigner and this nation held nothing back from you. There was no door which failed to open, no opportunity which failed to present itself to you - you are vastly wealthier than the wildest dreams of your cousins in Africa, as well as your cousins in Kansas. You have the brass ring at your finger tips…and yet you listened to bilge about how America is a racist nation, and you made no objection - you never said, “how dare you, sir, slander this nation which has afforded me so much.”
No one expected you to say of your nation that it is the perfect monster that ne’er lived, but the very facts of your own life give lie to the notion that America is a racist nation, or that a black man is to be held down on account of his skin color, or that only black men who truckle to white America are permitted to get ahead. How could you, sir, take so much and then sit there while someone spit on your mother country?
UPDATE, by Matt Margolis: So what did you think of Obama’s big speech today? I’ve heard clips, and read the speech in its entirety, and was unsatisfied. I found it interesting that while he previously denied being present during Wright’s anti-American sermons, today he admitted he had. He said we should look beyond race, but spent the majority of the speech playing up racial divides, and he still couldn’t bring himself to truly separate himself from Wright’s rhetoric. In attempting to distance himself from Wright’s rhetoric, Obama said that Wright’s word were “divisive at a time when we need unity.” Well, I found that Obama’s speech proved that Obama is not the person to bring about unity. In fact, Obama seemed to argue that Wright’s comments were somewhat justifiable when he said “The fact is that the comments that have been made and the issues that have surfaced over the last few weeks reflect the complexities of race in this country that we’ve never really worked through – a part of our union that we have yet to perfect.” No sale. This was a speech so clearly designed to save his candidacy from fallout, but did next to nothing to address the real issue, and won’t help him.
UPDATE, by Mark Noonan: Linda Chavez correctly points out that afrocentrism is central to Obama’s problem.
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173 Comments
1. Sunny | March 18th, 2008 at 8:57 am
Well, Senator, it wouldn’t have come up had you not, for 20 years, blithely attended the sermons of a foaming-at-the-mouth race-baiter. Mark
I disagree. Race has been an issue from the beginning of this campaign season. This minister is a racist, no doubt, and Obama will have to explain why he and his family remained in a church for years with this man as their religious leader. But to say that race would not have been an issue but for this minister is just blatenly false. It has been an issue from day one.
2. neocon | March 18th, 2008 at 9:54 am
Honestly Sunny, race is more of an issue with those on the left than on the right. I would wager to say that 80% of conservatives could not care less what color of skin someone has. Obamas association with people who do care about skin color is why this is such an issue now.
D. Powe, in an earlier thread stated that conservatives were “painting” Obama to be anti-American, Muslim and a terrorist. When in reality, they are only drawing opinions from facts that surround Obama (however, no one has accused him of being a terrorist).
In reality the only candidate that was “painted” to be something he is not, is McCain and his alledged affair. THAT was painting.
3. Retired Spook | March 18th, 2008 at 9:56 am
But to say that race would not have been an issue but for this minister is just blatenly false. It has been an issue from day one.
Sunny, I don’t disagree, but it has been an issue of race primarily for Democrats, which is truly poetic justice. This entire election has a better than even chance of becoming a watershed event in which the way the Democrat Party is perceived by blacks goes through a major sea change. If even 10% of blacks abandon the Democrat Party, the Party is relegated to permanent back-burner status, at least in terms of the Presidency.
4. craig hewitt | March 18th, 2008 at 10:07 am
This issue will continue to resonant and evolve especially after the hispanics become the majority race in 20 years and blacks will find it evan harder to be elected to goventory,senatorial, or a presidential position.
5. Michael | March 18th, 2008 at 10:23 am
And now Obama’s official web site has started A Black Panther page. Think that is a good idea, given his current fix? It is about race alright and Obama seems to want it that way no matter what his eloquent speeches say.
6. Diana Powe | March 18th, 2008 at 10:28 am
Nice try, neocon. However, I’ve already corrected you once on misstating what I wrote which did not include saying conservatives were painting Obama as a terrorist.
This entire post is logically nonsensical given that Republican presidents and presidential hopefuls (except for Senator McCain until he recently and egregiously flip-flopped on his 2000 “agents of intolerance” stance) routinely associate themselves with Protestant ministers who obviously hate America as they blame various events such as the attacks of 09/11/01 and Hurricane Katrina as being justified by what Americans have done. Politically, this is an issue that Senator Obama does have to deal with and, unfortunately for Republicans, there’s some unknowable possibility that whatever he says may be another example of his oratory skill which will only serve to burnish his image in the eyes of the electorate.
7. Thrower | March 18th, 2008 at 10:37 am
I agree with Neocon that true conservatives are more than willing to embrace black leaders that agree with them. Examples are Colin Powell, Condi Rice and J.C. Watts. I believe that probably 80% of Americans have moved beyond race to examine substance in politics.
But there is still a powerful sense of racism in a segment of the white population. I have Democratic relatives who have made it clear to me that they will never vote for a black man. I have a good friend who moved to South Carolina a couple of years ago and tells me that the “N” word is still freely thrown around among a segment of whites there.
In a McCain-Obama race, those folks will vote McCain. That is in part, a result of the “game” the Republican party has been playing for thirty years.
8. kimberly4victory | March 18th, 2008 at 10:46 am
He’s got great oratory skills, that’s for sure.
“If all I knew were those statements I saw on television, I would be shocked.”
He’s also got great writing skills …
On page 293 of Obama’s Dreams from My Father, when Barack is describing the wondrous event of his own conversion in Wright’s church, he says:
“…Reverend Wright spoke of Sharpsville and Hiroshima, the callousness of policy makers in the White House and in the State House.”
Hmmm. Sounds vaguely familiar …
9. hermie | March 18th, 2008 at 10:47 am
The ‘game’ that the GOP has been playing?
The GOP has not sought racist Democrats like your family, but has asked for the votes regarding issues. In fact, the GOP has been the most intolerant with those who make any racist remarks, and have been more than willing to denounce them. Trent Lott lost his leadership position because he said those dreaded ‘code words’.
It seems that the Democrat Party still embraces racists like your relatives, while mouthing platitudes about equality. The Dems appear not only to be playing the game, but having two sets of rules for Republicans and one for themselves.
10. Diane Tomlinson | March 18th, 2008 at 10:52 am
hermie,
I don’t think there were too many Democrats in the audience when Senator George Allen slurred a Democratic campaign staffer who was holding a video camera. The GOP is rife with racism and is supported because it is the party of white first America. If you think I’m wrong please allow me to be counselled by the Republic Black Caucus.
11. Almiranta | March 18th, 2008 at 11:12 am
Diana, you and the other religion-haters just loooooove to try to make all religion look goofy, or mean-spirited.
We have commented over and over again that the comments about spiritual degeneracy and 9/11 relate only to how this degeneracy has contributed to the worldwide perception that we are an immoral country. 9/11 was never portrayed as punishment for those sins, but you and your fellow anti-religionists love to twist the comments in that direction.
As for Katrina, well, there are those who believe that God smites those who sin grieviously. Not all Christians believe this, but those who do are entitled to do so. But did you ever find a Christian minister who claimed that God smote New Orleans because so many there were black? Have you ever heard a Christian minister brand all blacks as evil?
The anti-religionist slant of so many of you fever-swamp radicals is sooo tiring. So predictable, and so tiring.
Thrower, you make a couple of good points in your post, and then throw them all away with your last comment: “…a result of the “game” the Republican party has been playing for thirty years.”
Game? What game?
The Republicans fought to get the Civil Rights Bill passed. The Republicans fought to get rid of Affirmative Action, one of the most racist concepts around, as they do not subscribe to the notion that some colors of skin mean that those people simply cannot succeed if we ask them to meet the same standards as white people are expected to meet. Like it or not, lowering standards for some races is a form of racism, a paternalistic and condescending attitude that is inherently racist.
Republicans have pushed for things like school vouchers so that even the poorest of our families can have access to better schooling. Republicans have pushed for equality of opportunity, knowing that this is the real key to true equality, while Dems have promoted simple equality of outcome, which has made milliions of people, many of them of darker skin, emotionally and financially dependent on the government—devastating to the human spirit.
The Bush Administration, so loathed by the radical Left, has been the most color-blind in our history. We have had a Latino Attorney General, and two black Secretaries of State, just to name three of the appointees of this administration. Yet it was the Left which savaged Powell and Rice, claiming, among other things, that they were not “really black” or “black enough”.
Quite a game, that of the GOP. Going all the way back to the Emancipation Proclamation, promoting racial equality, fighting for it, working so hard to get it established all the way down into the schools so that every child has an equal opportunity to achieve, trying to eliminate the soul-deadening dependence on handouts represented by the ‘equality of outcome’ model, looking at people as individuals instead of as members of some “community”, rewarding talent and achievement without regard for skin color.
There have been missteps. Republicans get their membership from the human race, so there are going to be errors along the way. But overall, I think it’s been a pretty good “game” and I’m proud to be a part of it.
12. FmrMarine | March 18th, 2008 at 11:17 am
DT
>>>The GOP is rife with racism and is supported because it is the party of white first America. If you think I’m wrong please allow me to be counselled by the Republic Black Caucus.<<<<
What a TOTAL load of BU!! S#!T!
Please council me on ANY parties WHITE caucus.
OR
WHITE college fund
WHITE fraternities
WHITE colleges
WHITE churches
WHITE Dr’s associations
WHITE lawyer associations
WHITE anything!!
WE have put up with 40 years of blacks rampaging, looting, burning almost every major city in America.
We have tolerated almost unimaginable rate of crime by less than 10% of the population.
We have been a constantly hold how hateful, racist, and terrible we are.
We have MANIACAL TYRENTS like fartacan, and earbamas preacher screaming racial hatred and hate against us.
WE the white people have been VERY tolerant of an aggressive vocal minority.
The time is NOW to end this constant screeching of racism and just get along with each other.
NOBODY wants a race war, but the time will come when the majority will become sick of the TYRANY of the minority, and put a stop to it.
13. Martin | March 18th, 2008 at 11:24 am
“I would wager to say that 80% of conservatives could not care less what color of skin someone has. ”
Why don’t you spend Christmas and Thanksgiving with my 20 or 30 uncles (pretty much all fervent Bush supporters…with moustaches)….let the egg nog, whiskey and beer flow for a while…..and then get back to me and tell me all about what you’ve heard.
14. Tractatus | March 18th, 2008 at 11:27 am
Diana, you and the other religion-haters just loooooove to try to make all religion look goofy, or mean-spirited.
You mean like how you’re trying to tear town a man of god in order to attack a political candidate? Or is that only bad when it’s a conservative Bible-thumper on the receiving end? Or are you honestly as clueless as the above statement makes you look?
9/11 was never portrayed as punishment for those sins
Please be serious, ‘Ranty. Pretend Falwell didn’t say, “I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People For the American Way, all of them who have tried to secularize America. I point the finger in their face and say ‘you helped this happen.” (Emphasis mine) Go ahead, pretend that–we’d all like to pretend that he didn’t, but he did, and all the screeching rants you can muster won’t change it. Not that that’ll prevent you from trying anyway.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: I hope you never gain self-awareness, ‘Ranty. The amount of comedy your lack of sense generates is a wonderful thing to behold. Keep up the projection!
PS: It’s funny when you get into such whining faux-moral outrage mode, Noonan. Don’t think ‘Ranty has a lock on unintentional comedy in this thread; you’re right there with her.
15. Diana Powe | March 18th, 2008 at 11:42 am
Almiranta is especially entertaining calling me a “religion-hater”. The rector at my church where we were having contemplative prayer and the Holy Eucharist last night for Monday in Holy Week would probably find that entertaining as well. Nice try at trying to dump the Jerry Falwells, Pat Robertsons, Jerry Hagees and Rod Parsleys over the side, Almiranta, but Senator McCain felt he had to flip-flop and come crawling back for their blessing so it’s clear that the GOP establishment knows they’ve made their bed with the religious blame-America crowd.
16. Michael | March 18th, 2008 at 11:48 am
I just watched the Obama speech in Philly that was billed as a “major speech on race.” It reminded me of the old Rocky and Bullwinkle running gag that went like this:
Bullwinkle: “Hey Rocky, watch me pull a rabbit out of this hat..”
Rocky: “OK”
Bullwinkle reaches into the hat at pulls out nothing…
Bullwinkle: “Must be the wrong hat!”
If that speech was to put the Wright controversy behind him, he failed miserably. Don’t get me wrong, it was a pretty good speech. It just had little to do with removing the doubts raised by Rev. Wright’s vitriol played 24/7 on TV. Hope he has a better speech for when Rezko gets going strong. And it will, think Bill and Hill.
17. SEW | March 18th, 2008 at 11:53 am
Truly amazing how one preaching Hope and Change was the only member of Wright’s congregation of 8000 that knew nothing of what he preached! And the congregation jumped and hooped when he said it. And Michelle must have heard it. Clueless Barry, the only one who didn’t know what was going on for 20 years! Should make a great President, and certainly will be able to reach across the aisle and unite. But the best part will come when he unites the rest of the world. Bring Sharia home! We can all get along!
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=MDI2Y2IyMDY2YjE3YTMzOThhM2Y1ZmNmOTU1YWYxZjA=
18. Sunny | March 18th, 2008 at 12:01 pm
We have been a constantly hold how hateful, racist, and terrible we are.
We have MANIACAL TYRENTS like fartacan, and earbamas preacher screaming racial hatred and hate against us.
WE the white people have been VERY tolerant of an aggressive vocal minority.
The time is NOW to end this constant screeching of racism and just get along with each other.
NOBODY wants a race war, but the time will come when the majority will become sick of the TYRANY of the minority, and put a stop to it.
FmrMarine
You are tolerant of nothing. Daily you and SEW spew your racial intolerance. You cannot respectfully refer to Senator Obama by his name, but must use terms as “earbama”. Just exactly how old are you? Your maturity level appears to be about 13. You, FmrMarine, need to grow up and stop ranting your hatred and appearing so immature. If you would go back and read your rants over the past year maybe you would get a hint that you are off the charts at times.
19. Diana Powe | March 18th, 2008 at 12:02 pm
SEW,
Do you just have some kind of random phrase generator that creates your comments for you or is there supposedly some actual thought hiding in there? “Bring Sharia home”? Got it. How about those blame-America white Protestant ministers, SEW? Got a free pass for them?
20. looking4laughs | March 18th, 2008 at 12:04 pm
OBAMA SPEECH IN FULL: A MORE PERFECT UNION
Tuesday, March 18th, 2008/ 10:17:53 ET
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
“We the people, in order to form a more perfect union.”
http://www.drudgereport.com/flashos.htm
21. Joe | March 18th, 2008 at 12:27 pm
Michael: If that speech was to put the Wright controversy behind him, he failed miserably.
It wasn’t supposed to be a speech that does anything about Wright. This was a speech on race and using that as a distraction.
Anyone who heard the speech or reads the speech (thanks for the post of the text), has to understand that this was a phenominal speech and a lot about race should be put to bed.
This is a candidate that is seriously attempting to change the old ways.
22. Joe | March 18th, 2008 at 12:29 pm
Great piece here…
23. Diane Tomlinson | March 18th, 2008 at 12:35 pm
What a TOTAL load of BU!! S#!T!
Please council me on ANY parties WHITE caucus.
OR
WHITE college fund
WHITE fraternities
WHITE colleges
WHITE churches
WHITE Dr’s associations
WHITE lawyer associations
WHITE anything!!
NOBODY wants a race war, but the time will come when the majority will become sick of the TYRANY of the minority, and put a stop to it.
12. FmrMarine | March 18th, 2008 at 11:17 am
Thank you sir for both making my point and expressing the frustration that you and many of your brethren feel for going from being the hand that held the rope 50 years ago to fearing being dragged by it. Change was inevitable because when you take privilege you haven’t earned the bill that comes due includes interest.
That last bit is an echo of the wish to be master again that beats in the hearts of millions of white Americans from all walks of life. White Fundamentalist Christianity, quiet racism and a mountanous economic playing field all pooled for the greater good of a white America. This is what the black man and woman the Latino and Latina has been fighting for the last five decades and it will take a true agent of change Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama to open the doors and the windows for all Americans.
24. Joe | March 18th, 2008 at 12:39 pm
By the way Michael…. 7 paragraphs above about why he is at Trinity and talking about Wright and sermons.
If his words above do not address this to your satisfaction, then you can not be satisfied on this matter.
25. kimberly4victory | March 18th, 2008 at 12:42 pm
Not this time?
In other words, Joe, Obama is pleading to Americans to discontinue the debate over Rev Wright and his association with him.
“This is a candidate that is seriously attempting to change the old ways.”
LOL!!! Obama is trying to attempt to change the old ways ONLY BECAUSE his pastor of 20 years and his hateful “sermons” are in the spotlight. Give me a break, Joe. If Obama truly wanted to change the old ways, why did he stay a member of a church that incites racial hatred and hatred of America for over 20 years?
Did he actually believe placing 30 or more American flags behind him would change my mind that he not anti-American?
Obama reminds me of a used car salesman … only, I wouldn’t buy a used car from him. Nope, not buying any “piece” of his BS.
26. Sunny | March 18th, 2008 at 12:48 pm
There is no denying it - this man knows how to write and give a speech. The fact that he wrote this speech himself is impressive. Those of you who despise him simply because he a “liberal” Democratic Party candidate hopefully will respect his ability to connect with others and to touch in so many what has been lacking for such a long time in our political arena.
27. kimberly4victory | March 18th, 2008 at 12:49 pm
Obama is not only trying to change the old ways, he also wants to change the greatest nation in the world. One of my favorite quotes of Senator Obama’s:
“My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of the world.
I hope you’ll join with me as we try to change it.”
Change it with universal healthcare, open borders, higher taxes, bigger government, no national defense. Kewl!
28. kimberly4victory | March 18th, 2008 at 12:51 pm
Uh, Sunny … how do you know he wrote the speech himself? Because he said so? LOL!
29. Joe | March 18th, 2008 at 12:57 pm
kimberly, I understand that you blocked your ears and shut your eyes and don’t want to hear anything about this, but you really need to listen to or read the speech.
You can keep bringing up this pastor all you want. Obviously your mind is made up. Obviously you are not going to vote for Obama stictly because of the church he belongs to.
You obviously saw a clip, saw a bunch of American flags and then shut off all listening.
Just out of curiosity…
If you went to a church where one of the Priests was convicted of molesting a child, would you be ok if I assume you must also be a pedophile? I didn’t think so.
With your comment #27, you sound beyond foolish. Please point to any speech that says he will open the borders and not have any national defense. Please point to all these higher taxes and such.
30. Joe | March 18th, 2008 at 12:59 pm
kimberly: In other words, Joe, Obama is pleading to Americans to discontinue the debate over Rev Wright and his association with him.
No… he is saying that only you 19%-ers are concerned with something the Rev said 4 years ago. If you are basing your decision on this, then you go right ahead.
31. NeoClown | March 18th, 2008 at 12:59 pm
Obama’s To Do List:
Have Breakfast. Check.
Read Paper. Check.
Walk Dog. Check.
Deliver Speech Ending Racism In America. Check
Have Lunch.
32. Sunny | March 18th, 2008 at 1:00 pm
Did he actually believe placing 30 or more American flags behind him would change my mind that he not anti-American?
kimberly4victory | March 18th, 2008 at 12:42 pm
Of course he never thought he could change a closed mind Kimberly. No matter what he says, you will continue to have the same opinion of his that you have now. God could whisper in your ear that Obama is a good man and would make a great president but you would not believe Him. How you find him anti-American is beyond me. He sees life through his own eyes and experiences, but how does that makes him anti-American?
33. FmrMarine | March 18th, 2008 at 1:01 pm
>>>>You are tolerant of nothing. Daily you and SEW spew your racial intolerance>>>
HMMM
I live in a neighborhood where the average house is @ $300,000.00
Two doors from me is a BLACK lesbian…a good neighbor and a friend.
On my street is a chinese couple with 2 kids.
Across the street is a vietnamese couple.
six doors down a black man and his white wife, and one block away a white man and his black wife live.
My son is dating a vietnamese girl and they live with us.
The “kids” at the local applebees all like me and my wife, they sometimes come and hang out with us when they get off of work…. they are mostly gay and lesbian.
SOOOO how does this all happen with all my racial, social hatred?
I like to take the liberal marxist points head on.
I for one are very tolerant in my life, but i do take strong principled stands on many ISSUES.
Being against abortion is not against women.
Being against racial division by having exclusive organizations is not being against blacks.
By being against gay marriage and radical teachings in our schools is not against gays themselves.
Being against LYING racist politicians, and their cult is not against religion or women or blacks.
Being against ILLEGAL immigration is not against mexicans.
Being against radical islamic murderers is not abouting hating all of all muslems.
So save your vile anger for others you know nothing about me.
34. Diane Tomlinson | March 18th, 2008 at 1:02 pm
Sunny,
The reason kimberly finds Obama anti-American is because his face is black and he is seeking to become leader of the free world.
35. Diane Tomlinson | March 18th, 2008 at 1:05 pm
So FmrMarine having black and gay “friends” is enough to keep you from being a racist? Dude you have a lot of body work to get done on that airframe.
36. Some Assembly Required | March 18th, 2008 at 1:06 pm
Kim,
Just curious, what do you propose we do about the economic crisis? Also, incase you hadn’t notices the FISA bill and warrentless wiretaps, whether home or abroad, is a bigger government. As is Occupying another country.
But the best thing you said has to be your post #28. I guess Presidential Candidates have the ability to lie to you, but as soon as they become President they are suddenly incapable to lying?
Objective reason is obviously not one of your strengths.
37. kimberly4victory | March 18th, 2008 at 1:09 pm
Seeing life through his own eyes and experiences does not make him anti-American, Sunny. Continuing his membership in a church that incites racial hatred and hatred of America for over 20 years does. How much clearer do I have to be?
And as Joe pointed out, we should not be concerned with Wright’s hate speech because they were SNIPPETS. Pa-leease. I’m sure if we dug further, we would find hundreds of SNIPPETS that basically spout the same anti-American, anti-white nonsense.
Obama’s membership to a racist and anti-American church and his extremely close relationship to his racist and anti-American pastor is not the reason why I choose not to vote for him. His policies are what I disagree with. Not to mention the fact that he blatently lied about “not hearing any of the snippets”.
Neoclown: LOL!!
38. Martin | March 18th, 2008 at 1:13 pm
It is becoming clear that if Obama is elected, it will be like the end of Trading Places where the Duke brothers are yelling, “Turn those machines back on!”, echoing through the room to complete apathy.
Except in this scenario it will be Mark Noonan, on his knees, pleading to anyone who will listen, “BUT…HIS PASTOR WAS A RACIST!!!!! HIS PASTOR WAS A RACIST!!!! WAAAAAAAAH!”
39. Joe | March 18th, 2008 at 1:14 pm
kimberly, let me ask again…
If you went to a church where one of the Priests was convicted of molesting a child, would you be ok if I assume you must also be a pedophile? Heck, you belong to that church, so you must act on everything that the Priest does and says.
I didn’t think so.
40. Sunny | March 18th, 2008 at 1:15 pm
Kimberly, it was reported on the evil msm this morning that he wrote the speech himself. If he is capable of writing two books, I suspect he is capable of writing his own speeches, unlike the majority of politicans. Not only can he write them, but he can deliver them as well. Wasn’t he the one who gave the speech, or was that someone who just looked like him? So, yes, I believe that he did write his own speech. I don’t believe your opinion counts for much on this subject.
41. Joe | March 18th, 2008 at 1:19 pm
Sunny, it is just much easier to make a comment that he didn’t really write the speech.
Again, there is nothing Obama can do or say that kimberly would give any credit what-so-ever on.
Besides, this was such a long speech. how could he do it. Shouldn’t all Presidents only speak in bumper sticker phrases?
42. hermie | March 18th, 2008 at 1:19 pm
Seems Diane is spewing the usual line: “If you don’t agree with all my views you are RACIST!”
Maybe you should read more slowly before confirming that you are a knee-jerk liberal.
43. Michael | March 18th, 2008 at 1:22 pm
The whole purpose of this speech was to put the controversy over his close association with the hate-filled Rev. Wright behind him as a political liability. His speech does not accomplish this but rather tried to get us to understand “why” his “crazy uncle” preaches so much hate. Other moves Obama has made in conjunction with this is to expunge Wright from his web site and ship him out of the country to no one knows where (the guess is Africa). This is damage control and it wasn’t very good damage control.
Interestingly the longer he tries to rationalize this hater’s sermons (that he never hears) the more likely he is to reinforce the distrust among voters. A Rasmussen poll yesterday said that 44 percent of Democrats felt that the Wright controversy would affect their decision (negatively) to vote for Obama.
As far as I am concerned, I have been cheering for Obama since Iowa. I want Hillary humiliated along with her trailer trash hubbie. Obama looked like he could do it. So I am disappointed that Obama can’t get his campaign back on track. I still hope he can beat Hillary, but it is looking worse all the time and we haven’t even started to see the damage that Rezko will do to him courtesy of Hillary.
Don’t get me wrong, I could never vote for Obama because of his “policies” and far-left ideas. But I did want him to beat the Hildebeast.
44. SEW | March 18th, 2008 at 1:22 pm
FmrMarine, I agree with all your responses to Sunny, and she cannot provide one instance of me “spewing racial intolerance”.
Sunny, you are a wacko, and a liar.
The only intolerance I have presented is against Obama’s racist “church”. That means intolerance of racists, quite the opposite to your charge of spewing racism. To you libs anything a conservative states is racist or homophobic.
45. hermie | March 18th, 2008 at 1:24 pm
No Martin…When Obama loses, it will be the typical rantings that:
1) The ballot was confusing
2) Evil Diebold was behind the mchines not counting the votes
3) The exit Polls were the REAL votes and;
4) The Republicans stole it by using their mind-control devices in the voting booths
46. Some Assembly Required | March 18th, 2008 at 1:29 pm
But Kim, if he didn’t write his own speech and then spoke it that would be plagiarism!!! OH NO!!! Just another reason not to vote for the man I guess since McCain writes all of his own and speaks them too. McCain is also not affiliated with any religious nuts either…(sarcasim)
Obama has been for 20 years sure, but let me ask you this, is a man running for president who doesn’t abandoned a friend of 20 years such a bad guy?
Or how about McCain acknowledging religious nuts only after running for president, that doesn’t seem too bright to me? It’s one thing to have an adviser for 20 years, but then it’s another thing entirely to hail someone a spiritual guide after running for president.
“The only intolerance I have presented is against Obama’s racist “church”. That means intolerance of racists, quite the opposite to your charge of spewing racism.” - Sew
Semantics, pure and simple. The fact that your ‘racist’ against a group of ‘racists’ does not mean that your comments are any less ‘racist’.
47. kimberly4victory | March 18th, 2008 at 1:30 pm
Diane, the only thing I can say to you is “SCREW YOU!” You are indeed a liar and worse.
Joe, the difference between Obama and I is I would LEAVE the church if my priest was found to be a pedophile.
48. Joe | March 18th, 2008 at 1:32 pm
This wasn’t ever billed as a speech to “put the controversy over his close association with the hate-filled Rev. Wright behind him“.
This was a speech on race in the campaign.
Again, like kimberly, you show why you didn’t like the speech or believe him in it…
“I could never vote for Obama because of his “policies” and far-left ideas.”
There are people that wouldn’t give him credit if he discovered a cure for cancer.
49. kimberly4victory | March 18th, 2008 at 1:36 pm
“Interestingly the longer he tries to rationalize this hater’s sermons (that he never hears) the more likely he is to reinforce the distrust among voters. A Rasmussen poll yesterday said that 44 percent of Democrats felt that the Wright controversy would affect their decision (negatively) to vote for Obama.”
So true. My neighbor and I were speaking about the very same thing this morning. She said she is disappointed in the whole Wright issue. She is a member of an all-black church and her pastor has never said anything negative against whites or America. She is contemplating her vote for Obama.
Wow! I’m a racist because I am against someone who attends a church for 20 years where the pastor spouts anti-American and anti-white gibberish. That is just plain silly.
50. hermie | March 18th, 2008 at 1:36 pm
Un Joe…he had plenty of opportunity to speak on racism. Two years at least.
It wasn’t necessary until he had to bail himself out of this jam.
51. kimberly4victory | March 18th, 2008 at 1:38 pm
“There are people that wouldn’t give him credit if he discovered a cure for cancer.”
You’re right, Joe. I wouldn’t give him credit for finding a cure to one of the worst diseases in the world.
Do you see how ridiculous your assumption is?
52. hermie | March 18th, 2008 at 1:41 pm
I’d give him credit for discovering a cure for cancer.
Too bad he devoted his life instead to being just another Chicago politician who is either intellectually dishonest, or willfully blind and deaf to his surroundings.
53. SEW | March 18th, 2008 at 1:44 pm
“SEW,
Do you just have some kind of random phrase generator that creates your comments for you or is there supposedly some actual thought hiding in there?”
That coming from the woman whose posts are 99% random and off topic. If only B4V had a random phrase generator post deletor all of your posts would be deleted, not just 60%. And surrounding those posts with slick sounding adjectives does not make them intelligent. BS is BS, and you are full of it.
54. Some Assembly Required | March 18th, 2008 at 1:45 pm
I don’t think you would. I think you’d find some way to attribute the cure to a Bush Administration success, similar too how you attribute their failures too Clinton.
55. Joe | March 18th, 2008 at 1:48 pm
hermie #50, in this day and age he shouldn’t HAVE TO take about race and politics. But either way, this wasn’t billed as a speech about Rev Wright, so you people blasting him for not addressing it are barking up the wrong tree.
kimberly #51, how ridiculous my assumption is? I’m pointing out that no matter what Obama does or say you would still question it. He wrote his own speech… no he didn’t. He says he is not a muslim… yes he is. He says he doesn’t agree with the pastor’s comments… yes he does. Do you see how ridiculous you sound?
Look at your comment on the “Obama to Give Speech About Race” thread…
“I, for one, am not going to listen to his speech. He can’t answer tough questions on the fly during a press conference. We know this because of his most recent press conferences and debates. His speech will be well-rehearsed and full of baloney.”
You already decided that he speech was “baloney” before he gave it. So yes. Even if he discovered a cure for cancer, you wouldn’t give him any credit all because of his pastor.
hermie #45… I’m not going to comment on each of those four things you brought up, but just remember that the Bush Admin condemned the free elections in the Ukraine saying they were rigged because the outcome was so vastly different than the exit polls.
56. SteaM | March 18th, 2008 at 1:58 pm
Retired Reverend Wright had some opinions about his beloved country. He spoke his mind which he has the right to do in this country. A country he no doubt respects and cares about deeply as we all do.
He loves his Church and his God. No doubt he loves his family and friends just as we all do.
But what does any of that have to do with Senator Barack Obama? A man who could possibly be one of the best presidents we have ever had and at a time when we desperatly need a leader who can turn us around.
In this matter, Senator Barack Obama has done no wrong. He has commited no crime.
He is not a racist. No one here is honestly going to claim that he is.
What say you?
57. Some Assembly Required | March 18th, 2008 at 2:18 pm
“Wow! I’m a racist because I am against someone who attends a church for 20 years where the pastor spouts anti-American and anti-white gibberish. That is just plain silly.” - Kim
No your not. I assume Your addressing my post toward SEW here. So let me break it down for you since you have so clearly mis-interpreted what I said. If you are ‘Racist’ towards a ‘Racist’ then you are still ‘Racist’. There is a big difference between being ‘against’ something and being ‘racist’ towards it. If you are ‘against’ something it means you do not agree with and will probably protest it. At the same time, your not opposed to understanding it and trying to change it. If you are ‘racist’ towards something, you carry a hatred for it and are completely intolerant to the idea of it even existing. There is no room for it in your worldview. Therefore, in breeding hatred and intolerance for a man’s church because they are ‘racist’ effectively makes the breeder a ‘racist’ as well. Opposite ends of the same coin. Understand?
58. Diana Powe | March 18th, 2008 at 2:23 pm
SEW,
Tsk, tsk. You shouldn’t be so hateful. Blogs For Victo(r)y is promoted as not being that way.
SteaM,
They just want to assure each other that they’re right in opposing Senator Obama. If Senator McCain’s actively seeking out endorsements from the likes of Rev. John Hagee and Rev. Rod Parsley don’t matter, then there’s no rational reason, absent some race-hating statements from his own mouth or pen, that Senator Obama’s association with Rev. Wright should matter. Double standard, anyone?
59. SEW | March 18th, 2008 at 2:36 pm
“The only intolerance I have presented is against Obama’s racist “church”. That means intolerance of racists, quite the opposite to your charge of spewing racism.” - Sew
Semantics, pure and simple. The fact that your [sic] ‘racist’ against a group of ‘racists’ does not mean that your comments are any less ‘racist’.
SAR
Take it to a new level SAR. Intolerance for racists is racism!
“Tsk, tsk. You shouldn’t be so hateful. Blogs For Victo(r)y is promoted as not being that way.” Little Ms. non sequitor
And how might presenting facts be hateful?
60. hermie | March 18th, 2008 at 2:41 pm
Joe:
Of course this wasn’t billed as a speech about Wright…But then, why did he choose to directly mention Wright’s offensive and racist remarks, if it wasn’t to try to put out the fire that Obama himself let blaze for 20 years?
Obama had to bill this as something other than about Wright’s racist speech, otherwise he couldn’t attempt to divert it to something that Obama never before addressed in a ‘major’ speech in his entire campaign.
and your comment about the ‘excuses’ you will be using in November is to divert us from the fact that you actually believe in these conspiracy theories.
61. Dennis | March 18th, 2008 at 2:55 pm
Right on schedule. All the pious showing their petty resentment that while they were doing whatever it is they do, someone like Barack was quietly working to actually make the world a better place.
First by studying hard, by defying racial stereotypes, by travel abroad to search out his roots on another continent, then by coming home to work for the poorest of the poor in Chicago, and finally choosing a higher avenue of public service in elected office. And now by dint of perseverence and high ideals Barack Obama is in a contest for the highest office in America.
So now the second and third-rate intellects who squandered their meager talents as sycophants for the Bush administration start their chorus of moral outrage. Clutching ther garments they roll their eyes like Pharisees: “Have you no sense, Senator? Or lacking that, a sense of shame? How could you, sir, sit there while someone spit on your mother country?”
What the hell have you done, Mark, that compares with what Obama has done to make this nation a better place? What exactly do you offer that is superior? Just what qualifies you to be a moral critic?
Obama didn’t choose his racial heritage, but he had to make sense of it and then get on with living a productive life. Along the way he found people to help him understand the narrative of other American lives not like his own. Most blacks didn’t travel abroad as children or have white grandparents help raise them. Jeremiah Wright had a window on the black American experience that Obama’s upbringing didn’t give him. Obama looked through it to gain an understanding of lives outside his own range of experience. Would that more Americans cared to do that much!
All you sitting comfortably at your computers taking shots at Obama for doing so, this man you may loathe to the length, breadth and depth of your capacity to loathe, you may call him a hypocrite (a word bandied about here quite loosely) - and with every shot you diminish yourselves. What exactly may we see in your resumes that elevate you to such a plane of moral probity and perception, that you look down with such presumed superiority on Barack Obama?
Almiranta - another Mother Teresa, perhaps? SEW, an Albert Schweitzer? FmrMarine surely must be a veritable Ghandi, with all the people of color going in and out his door, and kimberly4victory sounds like a dead ringer for Joan of Arc. As for Mark, sometimes it seems you must believe yourself the very understudy for Saint Peter, determining exactly who shall attain entrance into the Conservative kingdom of faux righteousness.
All of you are presumptuous almost to the point of comedy. While Barack Obama has been out there all of his adult life working for a better America, putting himself progressively further forward on the line of intellectual combat, pouring himself out for his country, daring to imagine a fundamentally better America as our Founders surely did - you question his moral integrity and take your potshots as if you actually had something better to offer.
As host of this parade of moral puffery, Mark, either show us your own bona fides, or have some sense of shame yourself.
62. Joe | March 18th, 2008 at 3:26 pm
why did he choose to directly mention Wright’s offensive and racist remarks, if it wasn’t to try to put out the fire that Obama himself let blaze for 20 years
Let blaze for 20 years. Kind of a bit dramatic, aren’t you?
Did you read or listen to the speech? This was a speech on race in the campaign and in America. You people are calling Wright a racist and are so tightly intertwining Wright and Obama, how could he not bring him up.
Why did he let that “blaze for 20 years”? Read the speech…
63. Dexter | March 18th, 2008 at 3:26 pm
Hmmz… so this guy LIED about not knowing that his black supremacist pastor was making racist remarks… then he says he DID hear these racist rantings but decided to let his wife and children be indoctrinated by this hate speech. And his wife hated this nation under her husband started rising in the Presidential polls.
Stick a fork in this guy. Looks like Rush Limbaugh should have just told his ditto heads to vote Obama instead.
64. Joe | March 18th, 2008 at 3:32 pm
This is truly amazing how concerned you wackos are over this pastor thing. One would think that you people vote based on the candidate’s church. Oh wait, that’s right…. Mitt Romney DID lose the nomination.
Anyway… people, get off it. It is a dead issue. Obama delivered a perfect speech and you people can’t handle it. You’ll just keep saying…. but but but, he belonged to this racist church for 20 years. blah blah blah.
You people sounded much more intelligent when you talk about actual issues. And that is saying something because you didn’t sound all that intelligent then either.
65. hermie | March 18th, 2008 at 3:53 pm
Seems our resident trolls haven’t looked too hard at Obama.
Obama became part of a corrupt Chicago political machine. There he made out quite nicely rubbing elbows with shady characters, and nepotistic pols. For someone who proclaims to be a ‘reformer’ and an agent of ‘change’, did nothing to either fight the corruption, nor to solve Illinois’ fiscal problems.
Obama’s hypocrisy…Yes…hypocrisy…has demonstrated itself with his actions as well as his ever-changing explanations; whether it be NAFTA rhetoric, Rezko contributions, or his participation in an organization that is NOT typical of most places or worship.
If Obama disliked Wright’s words but didn’t want to leave what he thought was an overall good church and program, that’s one thing. But to put what was said and written into a memory hole, smacks of despiration by just another politician.
66. SEW | March 18th, 2008 at 3:58 pm
Last month the libs here were gloating over their 2 magnificant candidates! Then the 2 magnificos began the mudslinging. Now the real Hope and Change Barry surfaces, 20 years mentored in a racist church and the libs here begin calling conservatives racist for talking about what Joe proclaims a dead issue. Or so he wishes.
The perfect storm is brewing and in fact just beginning. This perfect storm will continue through Denver AND well beyond. Thank you very, very much. Sort it out libs and give us your best candidate. But even Al’s Global Warming hoax is falling apart just as is Barry the Uniter. So, will it be Hillary?
Awesome show.
67. hermie | March 18th, 2008 at 3:58 pm
Obama intertwined Wright and himself…Considering he had Wright as a member of his campaign.
68. Joe | March 18th, 2008 at 4:02 pm
Obama became part of a corrupt Chicago political machine
— Excellent. Switch the subject. I’m trying to remember… what has Obama been convicted of? If something comes out of this Rezko thing, then I think everyone is in agreement that the “Corrupt Chicago Politician” label can be applied and that should be dealt with to the full extent of the law.
Until something does or does not come out of the Rezko thing, then you are doing nothing but slinging mud.
The NAFTA rhetoric that you bring up has been debunked. Try to keep up.
You people really have nothing on this guy and are grasping at any straw that you can find.
69. Michael | March 18th, 2008 at 4:04 pm
In my surfing the web, most of the analysis articles I am reading on the speech state that it was an attempt by Obama to put the “Wright deal” to bed and that he mostly failed in that attempt. Obama got great praise for talking about race but low marks for addressing the one thing that is killing his campaign right now - his relationship for 20 years with that hate spewer. Now he says he did hear the hate speech that just one day ago he said he never heard. Sudden recall or correcting a failed lie that no one believed? His attempt at changing the subject and justifying Wright’s sermons at the same time was laughable. But OK, because he had a white grandma that said things about blacks that made him cringe sometimes. When Obama first hit the big time I really felt he had transcended the race barrier that Jackson never could. I applauded and sat in awe trying to figure out how he did it. Now it looks like he never did do it. And it is the one big issue that has come to the forefront and is hurting him. If I didn’t know better, I would suspect the Clintons to be behind this. But Sean Hannity said he first started raising concerns about Wright over a year ago. I don’t know since I don’t watch or listen to him often enough to verify that claim. But I think the videos that have been playing nonstop on the television are what alerted the public even though the MSM tried to ignore it.
70. kimberly4victory | March 18th, 2008 at 4:08 pm
Thanks, Hermie, for your post and reminding all that this “pastor thing” is just the tip of the iceberg.
Joan of Arc? Wow! Thank you, Dennis. Much prefer that over racist.
“In this age, when it is considered the height of sophistication to be ‘non-judgmental,’ one of the corollaries is that ‘personal’ failings have no relevance to the performance of official duties. What that amounts to, ultimately, is that character doesn’t matter.
In reality, character matters enormously, more so than most things that can be seen, measured or documented. Character is what we have to depend on when we entrust power over ourselves, our children, and our society to government officials.
We cannot risk all that for the sake of the fashionable affectation of being more non-judgmental than thou.
Currently, various facts are belatedly beginning to leak out that give us clues to the character of Barack Obama. But to report these facts is being characterized as a ‘personal’ attack.
Barack Obama’s personal and financial association with a man under criminal indictment in Illinois is not just a ‘personal’ matter. Nor is his 20 years of going to a church whose pastor has praised Louis Farrakhan and condemned the United States in both sweeping terms and with obscene language.
The Obama camp likens mentioning such things to criticizing him because of what members of his family might have said or done. But it was said, long ago, that you can pick your friends but not your relatives.
Obama chose to be part of that church for 20 years. He was not born into it. His ‘personal’ character matters, just as Eliot Spitzer’s ‘personal’ character matters — and just as Hillary Clinton’s character would matter if she had any.”
—Thomas Sowell
71. Diana Powe | March 18th, 2008 at 4:13 pm
Ahh, so “character matters enormously”. That must be part of that whole GOP flip-flop obsession in 2004. I’ve got it. So, let’s talk about Senator John McCain’s flip-flops on the issue of which particular religious leaders may be embraced or rejected, shall we? We need some kind of encouraging words to cover up his crawling back from “agents of intolerance” in 2000 to currying the favor of Protestant America-haters in 2008.
72. Govitman | March 18th, 2008 at 4:22 pm
I am a little late to the conversation, but wanted to answer Joe’s question below.
“kimberly, let me ask again…If you went to a church where one of the Priests was convicted of molesting a child, would you be ok if I assume you must also be a pedophile? Heck, you belong to that church, so you must act on everything that the Priest does and says. I didn’t think so.”
Joe…you are a very misguided person. Not to answer for Kim but my answer I believe is how most conservatives would answer.
Yes…I would leave that church if the priest was not removed. If the issue was addressed and the priest removed I would stay all else the same.
This is unlike Obama who decided to remain a member of a church the preaches hate. How in the world can anyone call Rev Wright a man of God when his sermons are all about how the black man is being held down and how it is all the white mans fault.
And Diane…your comment about George Allen…well…um…let me see…do you see him as a presidential candidate anymore. His comments were not tolerated. And this was the guy who would have easily had the nomination. You are a prime example of reverse racism.
73. Joe | March 18th, 2008 at 4:24 pm
If I didn’t know better, I would suspect the Clintons to be behind this.
Good Grief.
74. Joe | March 18th, 2008 at 4:28 pm
How in the world can anyone call Rev Wright a man of God when his sermons are all about how the black man is being held down and how it is all the white mans fault.
All about that?
In Obama’s words:
This debate is going around in circles.
75. Some Assembly Required | March 18th, 2008 at 4:29 pm
Since bringing character into this now, lets look at McCain’s. Here a man whose been married twice, first believed waterboarding was torture, but under pressure to win over his base, he now believes it now is not. Deems Religious zealots as spiritual guides before key primary’s to snatch extra votes. Has his own little sex scandal with a lobbiest of all people. By the way, whatever happened to that? Oh right, Obama’s pastor, and people saying the media was too fair on Obama. With regards to character obama outclasses them all. Sure just a little while ago, people here were saying he has plenty of it but no experience. He was an empty suit that could only give a good speech and inspire people with his character. It truly is a laugh to watch how the mob seems to move from hit piece to hit piece with seemingly no short term memory.
Dennis, Excellent post sir, well reasoned and calmly delivered.
76. congressive | March 18th, 2008 at 4:31 pm
Silly liberals, only conservative pastors can say crazy crap while buying crystal meth from a male escort.
I am disappointed in any politician who gives any weight to any religious principle. Religions divide. Religions deceive. Religions kill. The Bible tells me so. Religious faith, being the intentional disregard of logic and truth in order to accept fully the fantasies of madmen, makes “faith-based initiatives” initiatives that intentionally disregard logic and truth to further the agendas of madmen.
Sounds like America to me.
77. Zach | March 18th, 2008 at 4:34 pm
You guys are screwed up. Seriously the logic that some people use here is making my head spin.
78. Amanda | March 18th, 2008 at 4:48 pm
In other news, this is the guy Matt and Mark are backing:
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/03/18/a_mccain_gaffe_in_jordan.html
Heh.
79. kimberly4victory | March 18th, 2008 at 4:48 pm
Diana: you sure like to beat an old horse to death! Ho hum. Zzzzzzzz.
Some assembly: OMG! He’s been married twice? I know a lot of people who have been married twice. I still consider their character to be in good standing. For example, none of them have any association with a criminal and a race-baiting, anti-American pastor.
What happened to that sex scandal, you ask? It wasn’t proven. In fact, I consider it slanderous, as I do Diana’s unproven statement about me.
BTW, we conservatives have voiced our concerns over John McCain but that isn’t the topic of the thread, is it? You can all take a stab at that when the topic of the thread is John McCain.
80. Michael | March 18th, 2008 at 4:48 pm
We must use smaller words and speak slower so the fragile “minds” of our leftists aren’t negatively impacted or their heads start spinning or they start channeling Charlie Brown. They do provide some humor in the lack of scope of their “thinking” and their repetitive tactics at changing the subject on every thread - like bringing up McCain on this thread. Their repeated name-calling and accusations that those with whom they disagree are retarts, idiots, etc., shows the lack of any real arguments. Sometimes they cannot even figure out that there isn’t even a debate going on and declare it circular. Some on the left swallowed the Obama bait in his latest speech hook, line, and sinker. Most on the right see it for what it was, a feeble but inept attempt to change the subject just like the lefties here do when they cannot respond intelligently. Obama is caught and can’t get out of his trap with anything he’s tried yet. I’d better stop there to avoid spinning heads and having to listen to leftist complaints.
81. kimberly4victory | March 18th, 2008 at 4:50 pm
Amanda: That sure was a faux-pas … maybe, not as terrible, however, as Obama stating we should bomb Pakistan.
82. kimberly4victory | March 18th, 2008 at 4:53 pm
Great post, Michael.
83. Joe | March 18th, 2008 at 4:55 pm
kimberly, you never cease to amaze me.
What happened to that sex scandal, you ask? It wasn’t proven. In fact, I consider it slanderous
You mean like Obama doing anything wrong other than knowing Rezko? I’m sorry… when was anything illegal proven (since that appears to be so important to you right now)
It is slanderous to bring up the McCain “friendship” with the lobbyst because it was not proven. Yet you can link Obama to Rezko whenever you want to?
Wow you are a freaky person.
84. Joe | March 18th, 2008 at 4:58 pm
Kimberly regarding your post #82…
Let me pull a quote from you on a different thread:
CO gives hugs and kisses to Dennis, his comrade in arms. Should we be surprised that the two lefties totally agree with each other? Not.
So, to your #82 post I say… kimberly gives hugs and kisses to Michael. Should we be surprised that the two righties totally agree with each other? Not.
Nice.
85. Some Assembly Required | March 18th, 2008 at 5:03 pm
Kim,
Being married twice, isn’t that against the teachings of the church? Wouldn’t it be a sign of great character to stick it out and weather the storm? Instead of ‘cut and run’ when there are a couple bumps in the marriage…
No the sex scandal was not proven, but then neither has the Rezko incident. Obama has never made any racist or anti-american remarks himself either… hmmmm
Well McCain is running for office to, so naturally a piece about Obama would include discussion on McCain as well. After all, the best way to decide who to vote for is to stand them up side by side and compare them wouldn’t you agree?
86. Some Assembly Required | March 18th, 2008 at 5:04 pm
You also failed to acknowledge McCain’s Spiritual Guide, I wonder why….
87. iBlackjack&hellip | March 18th, 2008 at 5:11 pm
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88. SEW | March 18th, 2008 at 5:11 pm
Obama states “God Bless America” surrounded by 8 American Flags on stage, and comes clean now, after 20 years with his Spiritual Mentor.
Can this show possibly get any better?
Who needs Leno?
89. Dennis | March 18th, 2008 at 5:12 pm
Obama’s accomplishments speak for themselves and his speech today would shame all his moral critics here, if they had a sense of shame. After seven years of Bush they are disoriented by the appearance of genuine intelligence and integrity.
We’re not exactly reading Dostoevsky or Schopenhauer here at Mark ‘n’ Matt’s sandbox, or seeing much logic beyond the inevitable process of entropy, as mindless termites devour the good works of others and turn them into dust. They wrap themselves in piety and feign outrage.
It’s always been that way, and always will be. Soon the push-polling will start, more manure will be spread, and in the stench that follows the moral poseurs will point with soiled fingers at everyone but themselves.
90. Joe | March 18th, 2008 at 5:15 pm
SEW… is there a point to that comment?
Are you suggesting he shouldn’t have any flags on the stage?
Or is it that he shouldn’t say “God Bless America”?
What is your point other than you have nothing to say about the speech so you thought you’d poke fun at the visual.
91. Some Assembly Required | March 18th, 2008 at 5:21 pm
I was thinking about that earlier today, When a democrat wins the white house this November, what will the name of this blog be?
Blogs for P(r)ide?
Blogs for Ave(r)sion?
Blogs for Ar(r)ogance?
Maybe…?
92. SEW | March 18th, 2008 at 5:31 pm
Joe, I thought his Spiritual Mentor and Advisor said “God Damn America”! And now it’s God Bless America! Ha, ha.
Moonbats will buy, anyone with a brain won’t.
93. Canadian Observer | March 18th, 2008 at 5:36 pm
What is your point other than you have nothing to say about the speech so you thought you’d poke fun at the visual.
90. Joe | March 18th, 2008 at 5:15 pm
It’s what they do best, Joe. They can’t absorb the content; so like children unable to understand adult conversation, they resort to child play.
94. Joe | March 18th, 2008 at 5:37 pm
Well one of two things……
You didn’t listen to or read the speech.
Or you are a fool.
Either way, you don’t have anything to say about his speech other than that. Good for you. Once Rush tells you what to say about the speech, I’m sure you’ll repeat over and over.
95. Daderdog | March 18th, 2008 at 5:44 pm
I listened to the interview of Barack Obama on the Anderson Cooper show last week as Obama tried to justify his continued support for the Rev Jeremiah Wright and I was reminded of the movie “Time to Kill.”
In that movie a black man is on trial for murdering two white men who had raped and left his young daughter for dead. It was clear that he was going to be convicted until the defense attorney asked the the jury to imagine the terrible suffering the girl had gone through and the fury that would create in any father. After leading them through a painful and vivid description of her torture, he closed with the line, “now imagine if she were white.” The truth and humanity of the father finally transcends skin color and the father is acquitted.
I suggest that we all listen to Rev. Wright’s speech again and, “imagine if he were white.” There is no question in my mind, his thoughts would be directly in line of someone who was a Grand Dragon of the Ku Klux Klan. The candidate that stood by him, who went to his church for 20 years, who claimed him as his mentor and spiritual advisor would be gone before the sun went down.
Obama claims that he was not present when these hateful sermons were preached. Again, if we know a preacher is spouting this type of hateful rhetoric with regularity, would any candidate who is a parishoner be let off the hook just for missing a Sunday or two?
IMHO, Sen Obama, a half-white man, educated in elite universities needed to have “street cred” when he came to Chicago if he wanted to be elected by a largely black constituency. He found the church which best suited his personal and political needs. If he hadn’t, it is unlikely he would have been elected to the Illinois Senate, let alone the US Senate. Now the chickens have come home to roost.
96. kimberly4victory | March 18th, 2008 at 5:45 pm
Joe: I said his “ASSOCIATION” with … and fine, I’ll concede on agreeing with another’s post … although, I think it unnecessary to go into how deeply they appreciate the post. LOL.
“Obama’s accomplishments speak for themselves”
And, they are?
“Being married twice, isn’t that against the teachings of the church?” Not mine. I’m not Catholic.
“After all, the best way to decide who to vote for is to stand them up side by side and compare them wouldn’t you agree?”
Yes, bring it on. :-)
I’ll have to catch up later. Gotta hit the road to go skiing … before the snow melts. 75 in Phx today! Blech.
97. FmrMarine | March 18th, 2008 at 6:03 pm
This about sums it up!
So when is this messiah going to tell how he as POTUS will handle WHITE Americans and our needs.
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We are a congregation which is Unashamedly Black and Unapologetically Christian? Our roots in the Black religious experience and tradition are deep, lasting and permanent. We are an African people, and remain ?true to our native land,? the mother continent, the cradle of civilization. God has superintended our pilgrimage through the days of slavery, the days of segregation, and the long night of racism. It is God who gives us the strength and courage to continuously address injustice as a people, and as a congregation. We constantly affirm our trust in God through cultural expression of a Black worship service and ministries which address the Black Community.
Trinity United Church of Christ adopted the Black Value System written by the Manford Byrd Recognition Committee chaired by Vallmer Jordan in 1981. We believe in the following 12 precepts and covenantal statements. These Black Ethics must be taught and exemplified in homes, churches, nurseries and schools, wherever Blacks are gathered. They must reflect on the following concepts:
1. Commitment to God
2. Commitment to the Black Community
3. Commitment to the Black Family
4. Dedication to the Pursuit of Education
5. Dedication to the Pursuit of Excellence
6. Adherence to the Black Work Ethic
7. Commitment to Self-Discipline and Self-Respect
8. Disavowal of the Pursuit of ?Middleclassness?
9. Pledge to make the fruits of all developing and acquired skills available to the Black Community
10. Pledge to Allocate Regularly, a Portion of Personal Resources for Strengthening and Supporting Black Institutions
11. Pledge allegiance to all Black leadership who espouse and embrace the Black Value System
12. Personal commitment to embracement of the Black Value System.
98. Rich | March 18th, 2008 at 6:11 pm
Ok Obamabots, earlier Obama claimed he had not witnessed this type of diatribe. Today he says he did. Kinda fun waiting for the other shoe to drop.
99. SEW | March 18th, 2008 at 6:23 pm
“You didn’t listen to or read the speech.
Or you are a fool.” Joe
I read the speech. I didn’t buy, you did. You are a fool, again. 8 American flags, God Bless America, but America created the AIDS virus to eliminate blacks. Joe, would you like more Kool Aid?
100. FmrMarine | March 18th, 2008 at 6:29 pm
Here joe;
This is going to be the sec. of state under youbomba
101. FmrMarine | March 18th, 2008 at 6:29 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEMZHQsQJ6Y&feature=related
102. Dexter | March 18th, 2008 at 6:35 pm
“Obama’s accomplishments speak for themselves and his speech today would shame all his moral critics here”
Um… his accomplishments? Is that a joke? And his speech today was an absolute joke. He totally dodged the Wrightgate issue. Obama failed to publicly disavow the vile man, and ended up playing the predictable “it’s okay, I’m black” card.
103. Diana Powe | March 18th, 2008 at 6:49 pm
“Wrightgate”. An interesting choice in employing a tired neologistic construction, considering it came from a criminal conspiracy that led to the only resignation by an American president…a Republican American president.
104. Diana Powe | March 18th, 2008 at 6:52 pm
Don’t worry, kimberly4victory, Senator McCain’s flip-flopping on this or other issues won’t be addressed then, either. We have confidence in you.
105. Some Assembly Required | March 18th, 2008 at 6:54 pm
Politics is Politics, Beliefs are beliefs. A constitutional lawyer such as Obama knows one has no business interfering with the other. How you can not understand that it is possible for someone to disagree with political matters but share the same beliefs is beyond me. It shows just how scared you are of Obama and just how much he can change. After all, thoughout history, people who advocate change have been prosecuted and condemned by one church or another. This is no different here. Fear Tactics used to scare white voters not to vote for obama because he will favor black people. This is where I believe Obama’s speech was exceptional. He demonstrated both races are capable of racism by example. But we are able to move forward. People seem to think racism died in this country years ago. This controversy is proof that it didn’t. Whether you ‘buy’ it or not is besides the point. Did you actually listen to what he was saying? Forget he’s running for president, his speech was profound and may do more for uniting the races than anyone can predict.
Hillary Clinton stood in front of US flags when delivering her speech.
106. Jeremiah | March 18th, 2008 at 6:54 pm
How about we put Rev. Wright in a camouflage suit, send him anywhere, where Muslims rule, and see how long he preaches his sermon there, eh?
The thing is …. Rev. Wright has the freedom to spew hate and invective here in America, not so in other places.
He is an evil messenger.
I’ve never in my life, heard a pastor use profanity in the House of the Lord until I heard Rev. Wright.
Do you think Obama knows this? Sure he does … He’s right along with him … behind that smoke screen of “hope” is a man who hates America as much as his pastor … wanting very much to get into the White House so he can pass hate-crime bills against Christians.
–Jeremiah–
107. Dexter | March 18th, 2008 at 6:59 pm
By Wrightgate I was referring to Jeremiah Wright. Not Watergate.
108. kimberly4victory | March 18th, 2008 at 7:02 pm
Before I head out the door, I just had to comment on Miss Diana “I know everything” Powe. I’m sure she’ll add more snide comments about me while I’m gone, but unfortunately dad has dial up and I just can’t bear to get online and post … too slow!
Please stop ass-uming everything/anything about me, Diana. You do not know jack about me. Thank you.
109. Some Assembly Required | March 18th, 2008 at 7:16 pm
“Obama failed to publicly disavow the vile man, and ended up playing the predictable “it’s okay, I’m black” card.”
He strongly refuted the rev’s Political statements and comments, but not the man because the man was like family to him. Can you really tell me you do not have an uncle or cousin or some relative who has at times said racial slurs or some other ludacris remarks? You might make it known that you don’t agree with them but your not going to cut all ties… are you? Their family and do offer diecent advise every now and then. Knowing who to trust in life and family is all there really is. It is YOUR CHARACTER which enables you to make YOUR DECISIONS on what people tell you and what you value. Obama has never said any racist remarks or even hinted to them. So you fault the man for words he did not say. You condemn him because of someone he considers family. You would crush this man politically simply because of his Pastor (for 20 years, I know, I know)… Incredible when did America start to become a theocracy where a persons church and pastor decide their fate?
I hope everyones paying attention, next week this maybe an issue facing McCain and some evangelical like Rod Parsley.
110. ANTI-LIB | March 18th, 2008 at 7:19 pm
I grew in a house that accepted all races. Racism was not a part of my family or my upbringing.
However, as I get older and see how blacks behave. How racist THEY are. How white people have to bend over backwards to appease blacks. How white people do not get any special treatment like blacks do. How the hypocrisy is disgusting (black ent. TV; black scholarships, black this or that)…how It would never be tolerated to start a ‘White club’ or White ent TV, etc. How the Jessi Jacksons, Al Sharptons, etc. are the biggest hypocrite racists alive
How blacks are NOT even AFRICAN-American no more then I am African-American.
How blacks refuse to take responsibility for their own lives and keep blaming people from the past.
and I could on and on….
All of this BS is making me become a tad bit racist. Why do I lump all blacks into this now? Because I dont see ANY blacks denouncing any of this!!! Not one thing! And Obama stands for all of that - because he associates with people who stand for it.
111. BARRASSO | March 18th, 2008 at 7:23 pm
So I guess that this proves once and for all that Barrack is not a “SECRET MOOOOOSLIM” or maybe not, but is this whole problem bigger than the FACT that Obama didn’t wear a FLAG PIN as is required in the constitution if you are running for any public office???!!!! That is only relevant if the incredible amount of political heat that was generated when we learned the FACT that Obama hates all babies and apple pie because he didn’t put his hand on his heart during the national anthem as is required in the BIBLE????!!!!!!
So a preacher said things about America that you disagree with, BIG EFFIN DEAL! So if Obama were Jewish living in Germany and his local rabbi had said that he thought Germany had been bad for the Jews, he could of course never be elected in Germany.
HOW DARE ANYONE CRITICIZE AMERICA!!!!!!!!!!
112. Some Assembly Required | March 18th, 2008 at 7:23 pm
“behind that smoke screen of “hope” is a man who hates America as much as his pastor … wanting very much to get into the White House so he can pass hate-crime bills against Christians.” - Jeremiah
And that would be slander.
It does also make me wonder about your sanity as well considering his paster is a Christian and so is he. So he’d be passing hate-crime bills against his own religion….
113. ANTI-LIB | March 18th, 2008 at 7:24 pm
35. Diane Tomlinson | March 18th, 2008 at 1:05 pm
So FmrMarine having black and gay “friends” is enough to keep you from being a racist? Dude you have a lot of body work to get done on that airframe.
^^^^^
You have no clue what being racist is.@@ Racists DO NOT associate with people of other races. Racists do not have FRIENDS who are races of other colors. Racists do NOT prented to like people of other racists. Racists keep to themselves and keep all other races at a far distance. They do not let them in their homes or suppor their kids dating them.
FmrMarine is clearly not a racist.
YOU my dear are the one who needs a lot of work on that airframe.
114. ANTI-LIB | March 18th, 2008 at 7:27 pm
his paster is a Christian
^^^^
Is pastor is no more a Christian then Sudam Hussan was. The God Christians worship would NEVER condone anything this man stands for. What a disgrace and what a HORRIBLE witness for Christ he is.
Jesus never stood up on a stage and spewed the hate and vile things that man did.
He is NOT A CHRISTIAN
115. BARRASSO | March 18th, 2008 at 7:34 pm
“He is NOT A CHRISTIAN”
The vast majority of christians I’ve met, aren’t.
As is illustrated on this site daily.
116. Some Assembly Required | March 18th, 2008 at 7:38 pm
He’s a Pastor in a Christian Church, how is he not a Christian? Oh forgot, the church is racist.
Fanatics have been pastors before. Lets see what Christians have done… Christians have crucified people, Christians have crusaded, Christians have conducted a witch hunt. Christians have (and still do) moleste children
So you are right, by comparison he is no Christian. After all, he just said profanities on stage, how could he possibly compare to previous pastors
117. SEW | March 18th, 2008 at 7:51 pm
“And surrounding those posts with slick sounding adjectives does not make them intelligent. BS is BS, and you are full of it.” SEW
“Wrightgate”. An interesting choice in employing a tired neologistic construction Ms. non sequitor[DP]
I rest my case.
118. Diane Tomlinson | March 18th, 2008 at 7:55 pm
I was thinking about that earlier today, When a democrat wins the white house this November, what will the name of this blog be?
Blogs for P(r)ide?
Blogs for Ave(r)sion?
Blogs for Ar(r)ogance?
91. Some Assembly Required | March 18th, 2008 at 5:21 pm
This got me to thinking after reading the update by Margolis, how about these . . .
Blogs for Bigot(r)y
Blogs for Theoc(r)acy
Blogs for Autho(r)itarianism
119. Pain | March 18th, 2008 at 8:01 pm
99. SEW | March 18th, 2008 at 6:23 pm
“You didn’t listen to or read the speech.
Or you are a fool.” Joe
I read the speech. I didn’t buy, you did. You are a fool, again. 8 American flags, God Bless America, but America created the AIDS virus to eliminate blacks. Joe, would you like more Kool Aid?
We fail to see how Obama’s use of the American flag as an icon is any different than the sappy photo op of firemen raising the American flag on a pice of twisted metal at Ground Zero.
Can you explain how one show differs from the other? Both were intended to calm the nerves of fearful white Americans in a time of confusion were they not?
Qu’ul cuda praedex nihil!
120. William Teach | March 18th, 2008 at 8:08 pm
That is an excellent idea, Diane, were Obama to win in November. Matt and Mark could base their opposition to Obama’s 20 year history of attending a bigoted church, the fact that Obama is injecting massive amounts of religion into his presidential race (usually, those on the left has massive hissy fits over any religion mixed with government), and Obama wants government to run every aspect of the American People’s lives, which, last time I checked, jibes well with authoritarianism.
Good ideas, Diane!
121. Diana Powe | March 18th, 2008 at 8:11 pm
SEW,
You seem rather obsessed with my word choices. Interesting.
122. Diane Tomlinson | March 18th, 2008 at 8:16 pm
I’m just here to help WT.
Whatever.
123. Diane Tomlinson | March 18th, 2008 at 8:19 pm
78. Amanda | March 18th, 2008 at 4:48 pm
Great, so the GOP choice is either a liar to fear up the base or you get another President with Alzheimer’s. The hits just keep on comin’!
124. Some Assembly Required | March 18th, 2008 at 8:28 pm
118. Diane Tomlinson | March 18th, 2008 at 7:55 pm
Very Good Suggestions, I had a chuckle. But some of the absurd comments on this thread today have got me thinking again, maybe it should be
Blogs for Idioc(r)acy
125. Joe | March 18th, 2008 at 8:30 pm
How about…..
Blogs for a Permanent Mino(r)ity?
126. SEW | March 18th, 2008 at 8:35 pm
DP, It seems you actually construct thoughts and sentences allowing you to demonstrate your marvelous vocabulary. I have always been humored by pseudo intellectuals. Very transparent with you.
127. Christian Wright | March 18th, 2008 at 8:39 pm
I never thought I would see such a great orator in my lifetime.
The man is an inspiration and has a chance to be a historical figure as inspiring at Lincoln.
128. ANTI-LIB | March 18th, 2008 at 8:45 pm
Can you imagine if I started a new church and this was in our “About” section:
These WHITE Ethics must be taught and exemplified in homes, churches, nurseries and schools, wherever WHITES are gathered. They must reflect on the following concepts:
1. Commitment to God
2. Commitment to the WHITE Community
3. Commitment to the WHITE Family
4. Dedication to the Pursuit of Education
5. Dedication to the Pursuit of Excellence
6. Adherence to the WHITE Work Ethic
7. Commitment to Self-Discipline and Self-Respect
8. Disavowal of the Pursuit of “Middleclassness”
9. Pledge to make the fruits of all developing and acquired skills available to the WHITE Community
10. Pledge to Allocate Regularly, a Portion of Personal Resources for Strengthening and Supporting WHITE Institutions
11. Pledge allegiance to all WHITE leadership who espouse and embrace the WHITE Value System
12. Personal commitment to embracement of the WHITE Value System.
______
Some people here would be singing a very different tune.
129. Some Assembly Required | March 18th, 2008 at 8:53 pm
CW I could not agree more. Regardless of the outcome I think this speech will go down in history. Here is the first black politician to take on race in a speech in the political environment. Furthermore, he was not afraid to tell it like it was, saying his pastor said racist things, but so did his white grandmother. Sadly I feel the most some people will take from this was already noted above:
“Ok Obamabots, earlier Obama claimed he had not witnessed this type of diatribe. Today he says he did. Kinda fun waiting for the other shoe to drop.”
Nevermind what the speech stood for or the underlining issues of racism in America he touched on. Nevermind he has said that racism is not an issue to be ignored, after a full week of non stop racial innuendo circulating around his campaign. Nevermind his speech firmly showed he is not afraid to talk about race in this country as no one should be. Just as long as emotions don’t run the dialogue. The past is the past, it is time to move forward. History will remember this speech I believe, I think it maybe the turning point of true equality. Where Dr. King fought for a bus and a bathroom, Obama fights for acceptability and unity as one race American.
130. Some Assembly Required | March 18th, 2008 at 8:58 pm
Open your eyes, it’s a new day. The world is smaller and so are our differences. The tides are turning, these are interesting times indeed. I will not speak for how history will be towards the bush administration, though I will say that the next 4 - 8 years maybe mountain and/or money worthy.
131. Diana Powe | March 18th, 2008 at 9:12 pm
Why SEW, how condescending of you! You shouldn’t have gone to all the trouble.
132. bongoman | March 18th, 2008 at 9:31 pm
At least Obama doesn’t think Iran is training AQ. What a clueless fool.
133. Michael | March 18th, 2008 at 9:52 pm
What did it stand for? To me it was an attempt at damage control based on his falling numbers in the polls. That’s what it stood for but it wasn’t very successful in its attempt. I did like the part about his white grandma making him cringe, though. Is she still alive? Wonder how she liked it?
I grew up in the 50’s and 60’s so I find it hard to ignore racism. One thing you have to give credit for is the advances in high technology which allow that actual capture and playback of the “innuendo” like “God Damn America” and “He was ridin’ dirty” and “they injected us with AIDS” and so on. Yea there was a lot of innuendo there and much more too right off DVD’s put out by this wonderful, peace loving pastor and his church.
You should have stopped there. Read what the church he goes to believes in; its African this and Black that. Until he had to start dealing with his hateful preacher, he had indeed transcended that race line and had a real chance to landslide into the white house. Now his whole thing is about race. That is exactly where Hillary wanted him. Look at the demographics. Blacks are not called a minority for nothing. She will try to make it abundantly clear that he’s not the man for the job with all his racial agendas and support for hate speech and she will convince many Dems that if she doesn’t get the nomination that McCain will shred Obama and the Dems will lose the white house for at least 4 more years.
134. js | March 18th, 2008 at 9:57 pm
David Duke was KKK. His ambition was to run for President too. He couldnt get enough backing to even try.
What makes anyone think that, with the racial roles reversed, Obama should garner the support of all the honest folks in America, when we know his track record?
Its not about who he wants to be, its about who he is, Obama is the product of black racism, and as long as racism thrives, the American dream will never be fully realized.
135. CuriousGeorge | March 18th, 2008 at 9:57 pm
Soooooo, Barry Earbama is a liar and an America-hater.
In leftist circles, both are resume enhancements…
136. Tractatus | March 18th, 2008 at 9:59 pm
I’ve heard clips, and read the speech in its entirety, and was unsatisfied.
Wingnut unsatisfied with Obama speech–there’s a shocker. And I’m sure Obama is very upset that somebody who would never vote for him anyway is “unsatisfied” with his speech.
I found it interesting that while he previously denied being present during Wright’s anti-American sermons, today he admitted he had.
No he didn’t. Looks like you need to join your buddy Noonan in brushing up on reading comprehension skills. Good luck with that.
137. js | March 18th, 2008 at 10:00 pm
So much for politic’s and religion.
Who ever said they dont mix? At this point, it looks like God himself pulled Obama down….and at the same time exposed a little known spliter of reality, much further on than simply reverse discrimination.
138. Jonathan | March 18th, 2008 at 10:03 pm
How about this title:
Blogs for Igno(r)ance.
It sums up the majority of stupid, intellectually-challenged, right-wing buffoons who post on this blog who can’t get over their own personal prejudices, who can’t see past what their near-messiah Rush Limbaugh tells them to think, who can’t see past any viewpoint because it challenges their long-held beliefs, who are incapable of accepting their fellow man because they happen to be of a different lifestyle.
It’s as if they wear the badge of ignorance with honor.
Until these people get over themselves and begin to look at another person’s perspective and understand where they are coming from, these guys will never change.
139. hermie | March 18th, 2008 at 10:03 pm
What did Obama ‘take on’?
He excused Wright’s racist rants, in fact equating them with his grandmother’s words. After days of denying that he ever heard them in his 20 years of attending that church, now he sticks in a little note that he did…but of course he didn’t agree with them.
So he did not ‘take on’ racism, he justified it. Instead of being an agent of change, Obama supported a philosophy which his children are taught the same bitterness and anger that Wright expressed week after week.
That’s his story and he’s sticking to it…until he can find a better one the MSM and Chrissy Matthew’s leg likes better.
140. congressive | March 18th, 2008 at 10:12 pm
“while he previously denied being present during Wright’s anti-American sermons, today he admitted he had.”
Nice factless spin, Mark. Krystol [CLICK HERE FOR STORY] cut and pasted NewsMax’s claim that Obama was present during the “G D America” episode, then video turned up of Obama in Florida that day. No one ever claimed that Obama never attended Wright’s services. Just not that one.
Flame on.
141. TheHarbinger | March 18th, 2008 at 10:21 pm
I want to say thank you Diana, Diane, SAR,
Joe, Barrasso, Dennis and the rest of you who fight the good fight.
The patience you display when dealing with the narrow minded, Orwellian, neocons who run and post on this website is beyond my capabilities.
I have no tolerance for the hypocritical smearing of an American who has worked his way by pulling his bootstraps.
B.O. was not my candidate of choice. Never the less, I stand in awe of his obvious statesmanship, oratory and speech writing skills.
I am excited about having someone with obvious intelligence sitting in the oval office. What a refreshing change.
Blogs for Igno(r)ance has become the blog site for most to come “lift their leg” on.
Good for them.
142. Some Assembly Required | March 18th, 2008 at 10:25 pm
133. Michael | March 18th, 2008 at 9:52 pm
I’m not sure if his Grandmother is still alive or not, though I would imagine if she is he would have run it by her first just in case she might have a heart attack or stroke…
My mistake on ‘racial innuendo’ I should have said Racism, which is what it was. Nevertheless, After being hit all week with this unprecedented coverage, even to the point where reporters on all sides are questioning it including this blog. (A thread on the lack of coverage of the Iraq war a couple of days ago) Obama openly comes out and deals with it head on. Damage control yes, but he still makes the points. If Bill Clinton had come out with the grace Obama has with this issue I don’t think the sex scandal would have been as disastrous for him.
I do agree with you that Hillary is trying to play the racial game. Shes tried everything else and failed. I think her speech today was proof, where she stood next to the black mayor. I’m sorry but was anyone else kind of disquested by that, it seemed like a shameless ploy to me. Anyway, I think it will back fire. With all the coverage people will soon start wondering why the media are solely focusing on Obama’s Church and Pastor, it’s never happened before (with this much coverage). This will require a deeper look at Hillary’s and McCain’s churches, spiritual advisers and such.
I think some people here better buy some tap dancing shoes, because if that happens they’ll have some dancing to do to make up for this one.
139. hermie | March 18th, 2008 at 10:03 pm
I didn’t realize you were an editor for the Obama campaign. Pretty darn good job taking bits and pieces from the speech and throwing them together to form an arguement, I’m impressed. I look forward to your take on his next speech.
143. Michael | March 18th, 2008 at 10:26 pm
For you leftys who say Obama didn’t admit hearing the nasty remarks in church, here is part of Obama’s speech today where he admits it (thus proving that his denials yesterday were lies):
144. CuriousGeorge | March 18th, 2008 at 10:42 pm
Never the less, I stand in awe of his obvious statesmanship, oratory and speech writing skills.
What statesmanship? He hates America.
Oratory? He sounds like a preacher. However, he’s not Shrillary, so that’s a good thing.
He writes his own speeches? Riiiiight…