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Tuesday Afternoon Open Thread

April 1st, 2008 at 02:02pm Mark Noonan

So, you guys think the Democrat Powers That Be will be able to force Hillary out before June?

Discuss this, and anything else you’d like to talk about.

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60 Comments

  • 1. Eric T  |  April 1st, 2008 at 2:58 pm

    The Stock market is really screaming today. Any of you trading stocks? My dad would call days like today, barn burners.

  • 2. SteaM  |  April 1st, 2008 at 3:24 pm

    Today in my local paper I read a story about pro-life protestors hanging out on campus then, once they realize there’s a planned parenthood nearby, they move on to shout at and take pictures of patrons of the Planned Parenthood. Holding signs with big pictures of fetuses. Cops had to show up and break up an arguement. One woman was noting that most of them were men. She shouted at them as she left the parking lot: “When was the last time you got pregnant?”

    Taking pictures? What would they use those pictures for? Seems like a waste of resources for the local police to have to intervene.

    I guess I shouldn’t complain. At least then didn’t set off a bomb at the front entrance.

  • 3. Pain  |  April 1st, 2008 at 3:39 pm

    We, Ourselves have a response to all those who feel that Barack Obama, a politician of expanding opinions, and an excellent rhetoritician, is anything other than an American who wishes to see his homeland as an united nation-state, as Reverend King did, moving forward into the bright future of the 21st Century.

    Truth in Context.

  • 4. Diane Tomlinson  |  April 1st, 2008 at 4:05 pm

    Folks like that use those pictures here SteaM and at many websites like them.

  • 5. kimberly4victory  |  April 1st, 2008 at 4:12 pm

    Speaking of Planned Parenthood … An undercover investigation has shown that Planned Parenthood accepts donations from actors protraying racist whites on the condition that the funds are only to be used to abort black babies.

    Totally outrageous!

  • 6. kimberly4victory  |  April 1st, 2008 at 4:19 pm

    Two hours and counting … before my meeting with the principal and 6th grade teachers. Wish me luck!

    I found out this weekend from five of my daughter’s friends that they have witnessed teachers giving Kendall accountability marks and not giving them to other students for the same “bad” behavior. These students even tested their theory by chewing gum in class, eating in class, etc.

    All of the teachers failed. Not ONE of these students received an accountability mark.

    Maybe I should change my daughter’s name?

    And, to answer your initial question, Mark … no.

  • 7. Some Assembly Required  |  April 1st, 2008 at 4:22 pm

    k4v, since abortions are choice, these actors portraying racist whites are helping the black woman pay for it. While white women don’t get the same luxury. Kind of ironic…

  • 8. Sunny  |  April 1st, 2008 at 4:34 pm

    kimberly4victory | April 1st, 2008 at 4:12 pm
    Speaking of Planned Parenthood … An undercover investigation has shown that Planned Parenthood accepts donations from actors protraying racist whites on the condition that the funds are only to be used to abort black babies.

    Totally outrageous! Kimberly

    Kimberly, prove it! Don’t just make such an outragous statement without proof. I get so tired of people like you posting statements like this without some serious evidence of its truth.

  • 9. TiredofLibBullShit  |  April 1st, 2008 at 4:48 pm

    Sunny,

    You always turn a blind eye to all instances when your precious left are revealed as liars, racists, crooks, etc etc.

    Start here:
    http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=57526

    Planned Parenthood’s founder Margaret Sanger was a known racist and eugenecist.

    It is amazing what you will find when you think for yourself and stop waiting for your spoon feedings like a newly hatched baby bird.

  • 10. eric  |  April 1st, 2008 at 4:49 pm

    Sunny,
    UCLA’s pro-life student magazine performed this investigation.

    http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2008/feb/08022802.html

    Check youtube for some tapes of the calls to planned parenthood by the investigators.

  • 11. eric  |  April 1st, 2008 at 4:53 pm

    On another note, did anyone see this article that came out yesterday about Senator Clinton’s work on the House Judiciary Committe during the Watergate Investigation?

    http://www.northstarwriters.com/dc163.htm

    An excerpt:

    Jerry Zeifman, a lifelong Democrat, supervised the work of 27-year-old Hillary Rodham on the committee. Hillary got a job working on the investigation at the behest of her former law professor, Burke Marshall, who was also Sen. Ted Kennedy’s chief counsel in the Chappaquiddick affair. When the investigation was over, Zeifman fired Hillary from the committee staff and refused to give her a letter of recommendation – one of only three people who earned that dubious distinction in Zeifman’s 17-year career.

    Why?

    “Because she was a liar,” Zeifman said in an interview last week. “She was an unethical, dishonest lawyer. She conspired to violate the Constitution, the rules of the House, the rules of the committee and the rules of confidentiality.”

  • 12. Diane Tomlinson  |  April 1st, 2008 at 4:53 pm

    K4V

    right thinking

    we need to stop

    free republic

    those are the sources for that Planned Parenthood story. What you left out was this was one PP marketing VP in Idaho. I repeat Idaho home of most of the folks who want to get away from the “government/Mexicans/blacks/gays who are destoying theis great nation,” to hear them tell it.

    The real scoop in full from feministing is here.

    Make sure to read the comments.

  • 13. Diane Tomlinson  |  April 1st, 2008 at 5:02 pm

    9. TiredofLibBullSh** | April 1st, 2008 at 4:48 pm
    Planned Parenthood’s founder Margaret Sanger was a known racist and eugenecist.

    I guess it’s my day to shovel out the horse poop from this blog. Sanger was a bit of an avant garde individual and a product of her times the turn of the 20th Cnetury, but she was no advocate of racial genocide via abortion or even via contraception.

    If anything those rumors started because she was among the few whites in her time to seek medical care for black women in the north and south and poor white women as well in the pre and post depression eras. Read more.

    Dude, World net Daily? Baldersdash!

  • 14. Sunny  |  April 1st, 2008 at 5:20 pm

    TiredofLibBullSh** | April 1st, 2008 at 4:48 pm
    Sunny,

    You always turn a blind eye to all instances when your precious left are revealed as liars, racists, crooks, etc etc.

    Start here:
    http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=57526

    Planned Parenthood’s founder Margaret Sanger was a known racist and eugenecist.

    It is amazing what you will find when you think for yourself and stop waiting for your spoon feedings like a newly hatched baby bird.

    Excuste me mr bser, but if that is your idea of a legitimate source, I just want to let you know I was born in the morning, it just wasn’t this morning. You link is a poooor excuse for research that would be accepted as valid. It is a very right wing neocon piece of garbage. If you can’t do better than that, don’t bother. Further, if ms. kimberly is going to post statements that are blatently untrue, let her prove the subject matter. I didn’t ask you to do so and it is not my job to research her inane statements. So, bser, butt out!

  • 15. SteaM  |  April 1st, 2008 at 5:22 pm

    Balderdash!

    I just like that word.

    Do Republicans ever (in your opinion) wish that they didn’t have a candidate who is older than dirt?

  • 16. Diane Tomlinson  |  April 1st, 2008 at 5:31 pm

    Older than dirt. C’mon McCain recalls his youth watching the planets form with fondness!

    Of course McCain is a Creationist he went to high school with the Almighty!

    singularity– McCain– Big Bang!

    ok i’ll stop now my sides are hurting

  • 17. SteaM  |  April 1st, 2008 at 5:45 pm

    I’m half-joking since age shouldn’t matter.

    However, I do seriously wonder. I mean, look, we like the internet. We use it to research stuff, get independent news, participate in things like blogs and youtube. People who are… oh… let’s say generally speaking those who are around 38 and younger probably use it all the time.

    Could you imagine never using it?

    Wouldn’t you agree that most people who are McCain’s age probably never use the internet? Do you think he does?

    One thing that I have been atracted to in terms of the prospect of a President Obama is his focus on using the internet to get information to people. To have town hall style meetings online.

    Do you think McCain is going to be “hip” to this form of media that we all live and breath everyday?

    i could be wrong. Maybe McCain is all about with teh Web.

  • 18. Holgernoz  |  April 1st, 2008 at 6:02 pm

    Dude, World net Daily? Baldersdash!

    Gee, Diane, the same could be said about your “journalism.”

    There’s not a dime’s worth of difference between Hillary Clinton-Carter and Barack Obama-Carter. They should both drop out; they offer another economy ala Jimmuh…

  • 19. Holgernoz  |  April 1st, 2008 at 6:04 pm

    To have town hall style meetings online.

    Obama has town hall meetings online? I wanna go; I’ll get banned for sure…

  • 20. SteaM  |  April 1st, 2008 at 6:07 pm

    Holgernoz,

    Don’t quote me on that one… I cannot remember exactly what is was that he proposed but it was something along those lines.

    In other words, he realizes the power in the internet as a public forum. A two way conversation rather than the television which is one way.

    Anyways, I just wonder if McCain is in tune with this. I know Bush never really has been. I’ve read somewhere that he doesn’t even use the email.

  • 21. Diane Tomlinson  |  April 1st, 2008 at 6:27 pm

    Oh I get it “hold your nose”, that’s funny! Must be one of those McCain evangelicals.

    Okay and the same things would not have happened if Gerry Ford had been president? Not that Nixon tanked the US economy but the result was the Carter administration. Remember the Arab oil embargo, Watergate, the arrival of debt payments for that little war in SE Asia? Those had more to do with the economy of the US going south in 1978 than anything James Earl Carter Jr. did.

    It’s funny you’d compare two people who have never been president to the only real Democratic failure as a president. What’s even funnier is that Carter and Bush will be uttered in the same breath in political science and history classes one hundred years from now. I still think because of the sheer gravitas of the Berlin Wall coming down Reagan will have his place in history as well along with the Pax Americana feeling the country had during the Clinton years, despite his perjury and Impeachment.

    And as far as my journalism goes, it’s liquid tight babee! I can’t say that for the World Net Daily whose headlines read “Bush pulls rank to finish fence”, and this thrilling article “Remember Terri, 3 years after ‘deliberate dehydration” . . .

    How about them apples?

  • 22. Thrower  |  April 1st, 2008 at 6:45 pm

    Strange that you would support the BFV mantra that Carter was a failure as a President Diane. He was certainly a weak and ineffectual leader, but most serious ratings of Presidents place him around #30 working top to bottom.

    He rates that “high” because he brokered a lasting peace between Egypt and Israel, sounded warnings about dependency on imported oil and established formal relations with China. As matters stand now, Bush has only a legitimately glittering record on easing African disease and poverty as a certain legacy. If he can’t add significantly to that, he’ll be looking up at Carter.

  • 23. TiredofLibBullSh**  |  April 1st, 2008 at 7:02 pm

    So, Sunny and Diane, the lawsuit that Planned Parenthood is threatening against the UCLA students is imaginary?

    Oh, so if it is not found on the extreme leftwing news sources it is not legitimate and never happened.

    Amazing, these dingbats don’t live in reality!

    Sunny, I don’t butt out in the face of blatant lies and ignorance.

    Diane, BULLSH*T is more effective, but you have to have legitimacy behind it as for your boulderdash statements, they are short on truth and reality.

  • 24. Dasein Libsbane  |  April 1st, 2008 at 7:08 pm

    I work for the University of California, and i can assure you that Planned Parenthood did agree to take donations with the condition that the money be used to abort “black babies.” This has caused some problems for UC and the Regents.

    You “liberal minded” apologists seem to have a problem with the outlets reporting the survey, yet none of you mentioned that”Planned Parenthood of Idaho officials apologized Wednesday for what they called an employee’s “serious mistake” in encouraging a donation aimed at aborting black babies.http://www.idahostatesman.com/newsupdates/story/308723.html

    As to Carter, he is consistently ranked below 30 and considering there have only been 39, that’s not really impressive. Outranking such luminaries as Buchanan, Pierce and Benjamin Harrison, Carter’s legacy as a pathetic place-holder is solid

  • 25. Holgernoz  |  April 1st, 2008 at 7:22 pm

    Must be one of those McCain evangelicals.

    Far from it, but gonna pull the lever for ol’ Juan McCain anyway. I just can’t vote for socialists.

  • 26. Diane Tomlinson  |  April 1st, 2008 at 7:28 pm

    I list him as a failure in the context of the 20th century only Thrower and in the context of the post Southern strategy politcal party shifts. FDR, Truman, Johnson, Kennedy, Clinton, Carter in that order and overall in the 20th Century

    Theo Roosevelt, FDR, Truman, Johnson, Reagan, Kennedy, Clinton, Taft, Bush 41, Eisenhower, Carter, Harding, McKinley, Wilson, Bush 43, Coolidge, Hoover, Nixon.

  • 27. Plantation Owner  |  April 1st, 2008 at 7:32 pm

    “And as far as my journalism goes, it’s liquid tight babee!”

    Oh, I have checked out your link to the website you contribute to:

    http://thedisbrimstone-dailypitchfork.blogspot.com/2005/08/official-hellac-faq.html

    okay…….a source of “truth”. Several nutjobs from this website post here………

    scary………

  • 28. Diane Tomlinson  |  April 1st, 2008 at 7:38 pm

    24. Dasein Libsbane | April 1st, 2008 at 7:08 pm

    As to Carter, he is consistently ranked below 30 and considering there have only been 39, that’s not really impressive. Outranking such luminaries as Buchanan, Pierce and Benjamin Harrison, Carter’s legacy as a pathetic place-holder is solid

    Instead of loading up on you DL because it’s tuesday and I need to paint my toenails. Last time I checked there had been 42 presidents with Cleveland being elected twice. If you were a polisci prof I would say your were unfit to teach but since you teach accounting I just guess you ran out of fingers and toes.

    This is just too easy and accounting professor that’s a GOP stalwart that didn’t know how many presidents there were I mean count them for the love of . . . did you work for Enron or Arthur Andersen at somepoint or were the presidents adjusted for inflation?

    I’m a jour- na- list, can you say jour- na-list? My whole job is collecting raw data and verifying facts. Like the link to the full story that detailed the youbng woman who accepted the man who was posing as a racist’s donation to Planned Parenthood of Idaho.

    Whew, time to get to those toes!

  • 29. Jeremiah  |  April 1st, 2008 at 7:46 pm

    Here’s a good one…

    It’s pretty long, so take your time and read it…

    http://www.blackgenocide.org/sanger.html

    –Jeremiah–

  • 30. Diana Powe  |  April 1st, 2008 at 8:50 pm

    From the Department of When The Executive Branch Is Run By People Who Think Government Is The Problem This Is What You Can Expect: Incompetence:

    This report is GAO’s sixth annual assessment of selected weapon programs. Since 2000, the Department of Defense (DOD) has roughly doubled its planned investment in new systems from $790 billion to $1.6 trillion in 2007, but acquisition outcomes in terms of cost and schedule have not improved. Total acquisition costs for major defense programs in the fiscal year 2007 portfolio have increased 26 percent from first estimates, compared with 6 percent in 2000. Programs have also often failed to deliver capabilities when promised. DOD’s acquisition outcomes appear increasingly suboptimal, a condition that needs to be corrected given the pressures faced by the department from other military and major nondiscretionary government demands.
    __________
    Source: http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d08467sp.pdf

    More money spent less effectively. Cool.

  • 31. neocon  |  April 1st, 2008 at 9:43 pm

    >>More money spent less effectively. Cool. - Diana<<

    Unwittingly, you have stumbled upon the entire problem of government. That’s why we need less of it, not more. Unless of course you’re waiting for a “competent” government, in which case, good luck. Has yet to happen.

    You know who really answers the phone at 3AM? The answering machine.

    Press 1, if this is a terrorist threat.

  • 32. Diana Powe  |  April 1st, 2008 at 9:51 pm

    neocon,

    Terrific. So you agree that we need to reduce the budget of the Department of Defense?

  • 33. Jeremiah  |  April 1st, 2008 at 9:57 pm

    We need someone other than Barack Obama answering the phone at 3AM. As Obama only knows how to answer on the receiving end, in which case, all one would need to do is deflate a hot-air bag into the recording. :D

    –Jeremiah–

  • 34. conservative  |  April 1st, 2008 at 10:22 pm

    Obama would just try to reason with the people….it is obvious that sometimes you cannot reason but act with force.. I heard that Obama did not vote for the war in Iraq but he did not even vote no against the war. Is this true?

  • 35. Jeremiah  |  April 1st, 2008 at 10:49 pm

    Almiranta, if you’re reading…there’s something I have to tell you when you get a chance. Ok?

    –Jeremiah–

  • 36. T-Man  |  April 1st, 2008 at 11:04 pm

    “More money spent less effectively. Cool.”

    And how many billions have we spent on education ? Reported today 1 out of 2 graduate from city high schools.

    You know who really answers the phone at 3AM? The answering machine.

    Press 1 for Spanish
    Press 2 for English
    Press 3, if this is a terrorist threat.

  • 37. neocon  |  April 1st, 2008 at 11:05 pm

    Let’s start with re-evaluating entitlements.

  • 38. Some Assembly Required  |  April 1st, 2008 at 11:07 pm

    “Unwittingly, you have stumbled upon the entire problem of government. That’s why we need less of it, not more. Unless of course you’re waiting for a “competent” government, in which case, good luck. Has yet to happen.” - neocon

    This bush administration has done just the opposite. From the Patriot act to FISA, to being able to suspend habus corpus to what the Sec of Treasury is now proposing to do with the economy. He has expanded the government unlike any president to date.

    I am truly amazed with your last statement here. Just to clarify, are you calling the Bush government ‘incompetent’?

  • 39. Freedom1  |  April 1st, 2008 at 11:23 pm

    Video: Obama’s Campaign in Gaza

    Al Jazeera reports on Barack Obama fans in Hamas-controlled Gaza, where Palestinians form internet groups to rally support for Obama in the US. They think he has the potential to bring real change to America. And we can guess what kind of “change” that might be.” - via LGF

  • 40. Freedom1  |  April 1st, 2008 at 11:37 pm

    Britain is so screwed…

    British Imam: Muslims Ordered to Kill, Rape Non-Muslims… - Fox News
    “Report: Non-Muslims Deserve to Be Punished”

    A report posted on Islam Watch, a site run by Muslims who oppose intolerant teachings and hatred for unbelievers, exposes a prominent Islamic cleric and lawyer who support extreme punishment for non-Muslims — including killing and rape.

    A question-and-answer session with Imam Abdul Makin in an East London mosque asks why Allah would tell Muslims to kill and rape innocent non-Muslims, including their wives and daughters, according to Islam Watch.

    “Because non-Muslims are never innocent, they are guilty of denying Allah and his prophet,” the Imam says, according to the report. “If you don’t believe me, here is the legal authority, the top Muslim lawyer of Britain.”

    The lawyer, Anjem Choudary, backs up the Imam’s position, saying that all Muslims are innocent.

    Click here to watch the interview with Islamic lawyer Anjem Choudary. [click link above]

    “You are innocent if you are a Muslim,” Choudary tells the BBC. “Then you are innocent in the eyes of God. If you are not a Muslim, then you are guilty of not believing in God.”

    Choudary said he would not condemn a Muslim for any action.

    “As a Muslim, I must support my Muslim brothers and sisters,” Choudary said. “I must have hatred to everything that is not Muslim.”

    Click here to read the report from Islam Watch.

  • 41. neocon  |  April 1st, 2008 at 11:57 pm

    In a way I am SAR. Absent the hatred.

    Bush has been abysmal in terms of spending, but he’s hardly the only one to blame.

  • 42. Freedom1  |  April 2nd, 2008 at 12:01 am

    “Report: Planned Parenthood Apologizes for Encouraging Donation Aimed at Aborting Black Babies”

    Monday, March 17, 2008
    Fox News

    Planned Parenthood of Idaho has apologized after an employee encouraged a telephone donation aimed at aborting black babies.

    Officials for the group said last month that the employee made a “serious mistake” encouraging the donation, the Idaho Statesman reports. But Planned Parenthood criticized the publication that made the call — The Advocate, a student anti-abortion magazine at the University of California-Los Angeles — for trying to discredit the organization by having an actor pose as a donor, the Idaho Statesman reports. [...]

    According to a transcript released by The Advocate to the Statesman, an actor portraying a donor called Autumn Kersey, vice president of development and marketing for Planned Parenthood of Idaho, saying he wanted the money to be used to eliminate unborn black babies because “the less black kids out there the better.”

    Kersey responded: “Understandable, understandable. … Excuse my hesitation, this is the first time I’ve had a donor call and make this kind of request, so I’m excited and want to make sure I don’t leave anything out.”

    Click here to read the full report at the Idaho Statesman.

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,338529,00.html

  • 43. Freedom1  |  April 2nd, 2008 at 12:23 am

    Godzilla Cat (lolcats) :)

  • 44. Dennis  |  April 2nd, 2008 at 12:41 am

    Freedom1, I saw the video you cited earlier today and found it unexpected but refreshing. Apparently there are a number of Palestinian young people looking in other places besides violent jihad for hope. And what better place for them to look than the US?

    After years of knee-jerk support of the most polarizing and extreme behavior of Israel, it is time for America to adopt a more measured and nuanced Middle East policy. It seems even Condoleezza Rice recognizes this now, although probably too late for the epiphany to translate into substantive changes. And there are many Israelis as well who also long for a more just and humanitarian approach to the Palestinian problem.

    A clean start is needed, and these idealistic Palestinian young people see in Obama the embodiment of the best ideals of many around the world who have less investment in the past than the future. Obama is a strong supporter of Israel, but he show evidence of an open mind, and he has both the personal history and intellectual breadth needed to initiate first a dialogue and then policies that recognize the needs of both sides in this agonizing conflict.

    How encouraging that instead of nurturing hatred against the US, these young Palestinians are choosing a positive vision of the future and investing in America’s democratic heritage to bring peace to their people. This should make you proud to be an American.

  • 45. Mark Noonan  |  April 2nd, 2008 at 1:03 am

    Diane and Sunny,

    I know you on the left wish to keep Sanger as a respectable hero of your cause, but she was just as bad as we say….but, then again, the whole liberal project is bad news…all because of the fundamental falsehood underlying all liberalism - that institutions are the problem, not the people who man them.

  • 46. Freedom1  |  April 2nd, 2008 at 1:22 am

    44. Dennis | April 2nd, 2008 at 12:41 am

    Your post was pure BS. How sad that those are your views. Here’s reality…

    Poll: Vast Majority of Palestinians Support Murder of Israelis…
    “Poll Shows Palestinians Support Rocket Attacks And Want Peace Talks To End” - International Herald Tribune (March 18, 2008)

    84% - of Palestinians support the attack on the Israeli yeshiva
    75% - of Palestinians said peace talks should be terminated
    64% - of Palestinians support rocket attacks on Israeli civilians

    RAMALLAH, West Bank: A new poll shows that an overwhelming majority of Palestinians support the attack this month on a Jewish seminary in Jerusalem that killed eight young men, most of them teenagers, an indication of the alarming level of Israeli-Palestinian tension in recent weeks. The survey also shows unprecedented support for the firing of rockets on Israeli towns from the Gaza Strip and for the end of the peace negotiations between Palestinian and Israeli leaders.

    The pollster who conducted the survey, Khalil Shikaki, said he was shocked because it showed greater support for violence than any of the surveys he had conducted over the past 15 years in the Palestinian areas. Never before, he said, had a majority favored an end to negotiations or the firing of rockets at Israel.

    “There is real reason to be concerned,” Shikaki said in his West Bank office. His Palestinian Center for Policy and Survey Research, which conducts a survey every three months, is widely viewed as among the few independent and reliable gauges of Palestinian public opinion.

    [..] “The anger that this poll is registering is about equal to that at the very height of the second intifada,” Shikaki said, referring to the years just after 2000 when suicide attacks on Israel and Israeli strikes on Palestinian forces reached new heights. “I am very worried about what is coming.”

    Shikaki’s poll also showed that the militant Islamist group Hamas, which Israel and the United States have been trying to isolate, is gaining popularity in the West Bank while its American-backed rival, the more secular Fatah, is losing ground. Asked for whom they would vote for president, 46 percent chose Mahmoud Abbas of Fatah, the current president, while 47 percent chose [terrorist] Ismail Haniya of Hamas. [a terrorist organization]

    [...] According to the poll, conducted last week with 1,270 Palestinians in face-to-face interviews, 84 percent supported the March 6 attack on the Mercaz Harav yeshiva, one of the most prominent centers of religious Zionism in Israel and an ideological wellspring of the settler movement in the West Bank. Shikaki said that this was the single highest support for an act of violence in his 15 years of polling.

    On negotiations between Ehud Olmert, prime minister of Israel, and Abbas of the Palestinian Authority, 75 percent said they were without benefit and should be terminated. Regarding the thousands of rockets that have been launched at Israeli towns like Sderot and Ashkelon, 64 percent support the attacks.

  • 47. Dennis  |  April 2nd, 2008 at 1:53 am

    I find nothing connecting Palestinian supporters of Obama to violence. In fact it seems Obama is the anti-violent solution for at least some Palestinians. And you find this to be problematic?

    If anyone took the trouble to study the actual history of Israel and Palestine, from the founding of Israel, the root causes of violence become clear.

    Of course it does little good to recognize that Israel began the tradition of terrorism against civilians with the ethnic cleansing of the indigenous Palestinian people - what counts now is finding a way to break that cycle. And political solutions are far desirable to jihad.

    From what I have heard from other right-wingers and Israel-firsters, some would find genocide of the Palestinians more acceptable than any political solution. Perhaps you can explain to me what solution you would find preferable, and how it is morally superior.

  • 48. Freedom1  |  April 2nd, 2008 at 2:16 am

    Dennis,

    Your post is full of more BS and lies. I’ll just address your last point. The Palestinians want to commit genocide of the Jews of Israel - that’s one of the reasons the Palestinians voted for the Hamas terrorists to rule them in democratic elections. Israel cannot make peace with people who want to kill them. My solution is to transfer the Palestinian people to Jordan, Egypt and any other Islamic nation, the farther away from Israel the better.

  • 49. Dennis  |  April 2nd, 2008 at 3:39 am

    Deleted - anti-Semitic slander.

  • 50. TiredofLibBullSh**  |  April 2nd, 2008 at 8:54 am

    WOULD YOU CALL THIS AN OBAMA LIE?

    Barack Obama is running an ad in Pennsylvania designed to play on the voter’s general dissatisfaction with the oil companies. He mentions Exxon’s profits but does not mention the profit margin. Then he says “I don’t take money from oil companies …. ”

    OK .. so that’s not a direct lie. He’s right. He doesn’t take money from oil companies. Either does John McCain. Either does Hillary Clinton. Ditto for all candidates for the House of Representatives and the U.S. Senate. And why not? Well, Obama hasn’t taken any contributions from oil companies because since 1907 it has been illegal for any corporation to make a direct contribution to a federal candidate. So .. let’s call BFD on this campaign ad claim.

    But wait! There’s more! And you’re going to get this without paying shipping and handling. Here are two goodies from Factcheck.org:

    Obama has accepted more than $213,000 from individuals who work for companies in the oil and gas industry and their spouses.

    Two of Obama’s bundlers are top executives at oil companies and are listed on his Web site as raising between $50,000 and $100,000 for the presidential hopeful.

    Ah ha! A bit of deception there, wouldn’t you say? Obama doesn’t take money from the oil companies. That would be illegal. But if the top oil company executives want to round up some contributions from friends and employees …well that’s just fine.

  • 51. Sunny  |  April 2nd, 2008 at 9:40 am

    Either does John McCain. Either does Hillary Clinton. tiredoflibbullsh**

    are you also tired of using proper English?

  • 52. TiredofLibBullSh**  |  April 2nd, 2008 at 10:23 am

    As usual Sunny….

    are you tired of sticking to the topic?

    didn’t get you talking points on this issue yet?

    Democrats - “those who pander to the ignorant masses.”

    Still holds true as evidenced in their postings.

  • 53. TiredofLibBullSh**  |  April 2nd, 2008 at 11:03 am

    HAMMERING THE OIL COMPANIES

    First .. the big oil company tax benefits that our politicians remind us of virtually every day are tax breaks enjoyed by corporations across the board. So when the politicians cite those tax breaks as an excuse to tell the oil companies what to do with their profits they’re laying the groundwork for a system in which politicians can dictate, to one or extent or another, how virtually all American businesses spend and invest their profits.

    So there we were yesterday … listening to these politicians, many of whom have never been responsible for delivering a profit in their entire lives, telling the oil companies what they should and should not do (translate into what they can and cannot do) with the money that they earn.

    Now I blame those oil company executives too. They were submissive candy asses before that congressional inquisition yesterday. These politicians work for the stockholders and employees of these oil companies … not the other way around. A little bit of spine in some of these highly-paid executives would have been a wonderful thing to watch yesterday. Instead — they wimped out.

    The political hacks made a big deal about the huge profits these oil companies made over the past few years. All of this posturing was a sham .. and the politicians knew it. They also knew that most of the people would watch them deliver their big oil smack down on TV wouldn’t know a profit from a profit margin if their next six-pack and their big screen TVs depended on it.

    So … just a quick remedial course if you will.

    Let’s say you sell widgets. It costs you 92 cents to make a widget, and you sell the widget for a dollar. You make eight cents on the sale of that widget. Your profit is eight cents – your profit margin is 8%. Now, let’s say that your cost of business, comprised mostly of raw materials, goes up. Now it costs you $1.84 to make a widget. You respond by raising the price of your widgets by a dollar. They now cost $2.00 each. Subtract your cost of doing business ($1.84) from sales revenues for one widget ($2.00) and you have a profit of 16 cents. Wow! Your profit has doubled! But wait! What is your profit margin? How much is your company making for every widget it sells? Nothing has changed. Your profit margin is still 8%. Profits have doubled .. the profit margin has remained the same. The only reason the profits doubled is that the price of your raw materials has gone up. Has anyone looked at the price of crude oil lately?

    Last year the big five oil companies made around $123 billion in profits. Pretty strong. But what was their profit margin? Around 9%. Same as the year before and the year before that. The politicians can’t pander to the dumb masses by slamming profit margins … so they play the dishonest game of slamming the gross profits, and the media lets them skate. They start talking about “windfall” profits. Tell me … how is it a windfall profit when the profit margin is remaining effectively the same? Some windfall.

    Do you know why they get away with this nonsense? Because the dumb masses they’re preaching to were largely educated in government schools. If you shoved what they know about economics up an ant’s ass it would rattle around like a BB in a boxcar.

    It is a known fact that the federal government makes more in taxes on a gallon of gasoline than the oil companies make in profit.

    Democrats “one who panders to the ignorant masses.”

    How true…..

  • 54. evan andersen  |  April 2nd, 2008 at 3:52 pm

    evan andersen

    Many people have critizims about GW, some are correct, some are wrong, but what ever side of the political spectrum you stand on; I was reading through some of the old election banter going back and forth from GW and Al Gore. Al is saying that he invented the internet and GW’s response was ‘well then Al has already conceaded the election’ Why? ‘because he started every web page with http://www. Evan Andersen thinks that this wry sense of humor sometimes lost in politics but I have to say that Bush does have funny sense of humor.

    evan andersen

  • 55. TiredofLibBullSh**  |  April 2nd, 2008 at 4:25 pm

    Here’s some humor.

    GW, Cheney and a liberal were standing in front of a magic mirror. The mirror magically said, “Each of you will make a statement about yourself, If I agree you will be given riches beyond your belief, If not you will disappear from the earth forever.”

    GW went first. “I believe that I am an eloquent speaker….(POOF!)”. He disappeared.

    Cheney said, “I believe that I am a skilled hunter…..(POOF!). He too disappeared.

    The liberal, seeing his competition disappear, thought about his statement carefully and then began, “Well, I think (POOF!).

    Let’s see how many libs get their panties in a bunch over this joke.

  • 56. Some Assembly Required  |  April 2nd, 2008 at 4:38 pm

    hahaha, not bad.

    How about this one…

    A neocon walks into a Club…..

    “Ouch”

  • 57. Joe  |  April 2nd, 2008 at 4:40 pm

    Relax Tired… funny joke. I’m surprised you actually have a sense of humor. Good for you!

    Here is one…
    New GOP Mascot
    RNC has announced that it is changing the Republican emblem from an elephant to a condom because it more clearly reflects the Party’s political stance :
    A condom stands up to inflation, halts production, destroys the next generation, protects a bunch of pricks, and gives one a sense of security while screwing others.

  • 58. Plantation Owner  |  April 2nd, 2008 at 5:37 pm

    wow, joe the new Republican mascot, of course, protects and covers the new Democratic one. The one your previous President help establish with his wandering eyes, hands and your new mascot (little brain).

  • 59. Freedom1  |  April 2nd, 2008 at 8:30 pm

    A Brit with a brain and a survival instinct!

    (UK) Senior Church Leader: Ban the Mosque

    Church leader calls for building of mosques to be banned because of risk ‘Britain will become an ‘Islamic state’ - Daily Mail.com

    A senior Church of England member called yesterday for the building of mosques to be banned.

    Alison Ruoff said more construction would lead to Islamic no go areas dominated by exclusively Muslim populations living under sharia law.

    Mrs Ruoff, a member of the General Synod, the Church’s parliament, added: “If we don’t watch out we will become an Islamic state. It’s that serious.”

  • 60. Freedom1  |  April 2nd, 2008 at 9:44 pm

    49. Dennis | April 2nd, 2008 at 3:39 am

    Dennis, that was another thoroughly corrupt post. Scary, in fact. You have no idea what the truth is. Your belief in the big lies is horrible. I feel sad for you.

    I show you a poll done 2 weeks ago which shows that a large majority of Palestinians overwhelmingly support terrorism against Israeli civilians and you come back with a post that basically says, “Yeah, that’s understandable.” Sick. Sick. Sick.

    You bring up the Nazis. How apropos…

    Palestinian Grand Mufti, Haj Muhammed Amin al-Husseini worked with the Nazis to exterminate the Jews in WWII (link):

    “At the Nuremberg Trials, Eichmann’s deputy Dieter Wisliceny (subsequently executed as a war criminal) testified:

    The Mufti was one of the initiators of the systematic extermination of European Jewry and had been a collaborator and adviser of Eichmann and Himmler in the execution of this plan. … He was one of Eichmann’s best friends and had constantly incited him to accelerate the extermination measures. I heard him say, accompanied by Eichmann, he had visited incognito the gas chamber of Auschwitz.

    “With the collapse of Nazi Germany in 1945, the Mufti moved to Egypt where he was received as a national hero. After the war al-Husseini was indicted by Yugoslavia for war crimes, but escaped prosecution. The Mufti was never tried because the Allies were afraid of the storm in the Arab world if the hero of Arab nationalism was treated as a war criminal.


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