25 Comments

• 1. capJ  |  April 2nd, 2008 at 11:39 pm

  try as you might - modern planned parenthood has no conneciton with eugenics. But keep up the lying matt. Your 0/1000 at this point

• 2. Matt Margolis  |  April 2nd, 2008 at 11:54 pm

  Wow… is that the best line you can come up with capJ? Try a little harder.

• 3. kjstrouble  |  April 3rd, 2008 at 12:09 am

  The recorded calls sure sounded like they were willing to allow the designation of funds so that certain minorities (in this case blacks) could have abortions. Sounds like a form of eugenics to me. Remove some of the so called “undesirables”.

• 4. Freedom1  |  April 3rd, 2008 at 12:22 am

  Planned Parenthood is evil.

• 5. What?  |  April 3rd, 2008 at 12:50 am

  Sorry, what is this suppose to prove?
  So are you saying PP is racist?
  It doesn’t prove that. Show me (I guess play me) a tape of a PP refusing to accept money to go towards a white women’s abortion and you will have something.

  Along the same lines, this does not prove PP is practicing eugenics. Just because someone donated money towards a black woman’s abortion doesn’t mean PP staffers will run out, capture the first pregnant black woman and force an abortion on her. The ultimate result of this phone call (assuming the caller paid) is that PP will provide a free abortion to a woman it determines cannot afford it. This is furthering its goal of allowing women to exert control over reproduction. Simply put, PP’s choice to take money to be used for abortions on black women will not increase the number of black abortion.

  What it shows is that the four PPs featured were willing to accept donations from racists in order to keep abortions within the reach of low-income people.
  In this respect PP is wrong in that it does not condemn such thinking.

  On the other hand, should an organization that takes donations for its cause care about the intentions of the donors?

  For example, should a political party that supports family values accept money from an organization that feels homosexuals should be imprisoned or worse? Think Rev. Phelps

  My answer is no, but it is a close call. PP should refuse such donations as the ones featured in the video. Furthering their cause should be done without reinforcing the views of the caller in this case.

  Furthermore, it is not practical because it leaves them open to inaccurate labels such as the one Matt applied.

• 6. Byzantine138  |  April 3rd, 2008 at 1:02 am

  Your idea of kidnapping black women and forcing abortions on them is absurd. What we need is money and resources to confront, not kidnap these young women and convince them of the values of marriage and family. With just a bit of money and organization we can provide prenatal assistance and organize socials with eligible bachelors. Just think, after saving a woman from the dark grasp of PP and its homosexual indoctrination we will be presented with a happy married couple and a bundle of joy only 9 months later! Praise the Lord I think we can do it!

• 7. Rana Quijotesca  |  April 3rd, 2008 at 2:09 am

  How the hell is Planned Parenthood homosexual indoctrination? That has got to be one of the most retarded things I have ever heard on this website… and that’s a short dwarf contest…

• 8. Byzantine138  |  April 3rd, 2008 at 3:02 am

  I’m not surprised that some on the left remain unaware of PP’s homosexual agenda. So let me lay it out for you. Homosexuals envy Biblical America’s ability to have eternal loving unions that produce offspring. It is this vile envy that causes them to attack the institution of marriage and the sacred act of adoption. They want to bring true Americans down to a lowly existence of hiding from God’s sight. By encouraging abortion on demand and promiscuity they sow the seeds of a lifestyle of excess, selfishness, and no-limits depravity. Too long in the gutters of such an existence will cause young Americans to lose sight of their true duty in this life. The duty to marry and reproduce for the greater glory of God. In the long run its not just Homosexual Indoctrination its a diabolical chain of events that will prevent the construction of God’s kingdom here on earth!

• 9. Plantation Owner  |  April 3rd, 2008 at 6:20 am

  It is always reported that a larger majority of abortions are performed on blacks and other minorities. So before you libs get your panties in a bunch, here are some proven numbers to back that up.

  Abortions among whites were 12/1000 white women.
  Abortions among blacks were almost tripled, 31/1000 black women.
  Abortions among other minorities, doubled, 25/1000 women.
  Numbers are from the CDC.

  Why are there more abortions for blacks and other minorities than for whites?

  Hmmmm…….you be the judge.

  OK libs, let the denials begin.

• 10. js  |  April 3rd, 2008 at 8:41 am

  “refusing to accept money to go towards a white women’s abortion and you will have something.”

  That a half witted statement. The fact that they accept donations based on the reasons given in these phone calls at all make PP racist. It doesnt matter.

  You can not defend whats going on. This should be criminal (aside from the fact that abortion itself is murder).

• 11. js  |  April 3rd, 2008 at 8:45 am

  “allowing women to exert control over reproduction”

  And another half witted statement. Go figure, less than 1% of women who are pregnant got that way because of Rape or Incest.

  That leaves OVER 99% who willingly had relations and got pregnant. CONTROL is NOT GETTING PREGNANT. Using abortion to murder the life of the unborn child is not “control”, its murder.

• 12. Some Assembly Required  |  April 3rd, 2008 at 9:18 am

  “Homosexuals envy Biblical America’s ability to have eternal loving unions that produce offspring. It is this vile envy that causes them to attack the institution of marriage and the sacred act of adoption.”

  That is completely RIDICULOUS. Theres no other word for it. If they are so adamant about ‘attacking’ the ‘institution of marriage’ then why are they fighting so hard for their RIGHT to get married? Why are they traveling to Canada in hordes to get legally married?

  Envy the act of adoption… if they are envious of male, female conception how can they be envious of adoption? They envy heterosexuals because they can have children and then give them away….. sheesh.

  9. Plantation Owner | April 3rd, 2008 at 6:20 am

  Can you site the reference to those stats. I’d like to know if there are statics on living conditions vs. race…

• 13. What?  |  April 3rd, 2008 at 1:13 pm

  js,
  Re-read my argument and you will understand that the phone calls do not prove PP is racist. They prove that they accept money from racists to perform a service. You cannot take the motives of a donor and necessarily apply them to the organization to which they donate. Again, racist people donate to the Republican party, and the Republican Party is not racist. Should that be illegal? It might be wrong, as I said, but it does not demonstrate PP is racist.

  I will point out you are not arguing, you are name calling. You have to explain how PP is racist.

  As for your second post, what can I say? You are labelling abortion murder but the Supreme Court and the majority of Americans think otherwise. Murder is defined by the law, not your personal views on what the law should be. Perhaps one day it will be considered murder, but as of right now the law does not recognize it as such.
  Again, shouting murder isn’t an argument, it is only evidence you have no argument.

  Keep trying, js, you will get better.

  Plantation Owner,
  What was the point of your post? What are you trying to prove by citing those stats? How does showing more minorities voluntarily choose to get abortions demonstrate PP is racist or practicing eugenics? Sorry, but you are making a huge logical leap.

  Seriously, the conservatives on this website have some of the most half-baked ideas. You really have to work on developing arguments and evidence to go your slogans.

  The one exception is Byzantine123. Although he is crazy, atleast he has develop his craziness into a crazy argument. Good job Byzantine for not simply calling people names! I like the exclamation points. You and Jeremiah must be friends.

  Keep trying though.

• 14. Plantation Owner  |  April 4th, 2008 at 6:51 am

  Let’s see, Planned Parenthood was founded by a known racist and eugenecist.

  Statistics prove that minorities of all types have consistently more abortions that whites.

  Simply, whites could be convinced not to have abortions while the minorities could not have been.

  Wow, democrat congressional hearings have been started for less than that!

  I did say you be the judge. I did not accuse PP of anything other than present statistics and ask a question. You jumped the gun to defend a liberal institution, which you guys always believe are good and benevolent.

• 15. js  |  April 4th, 2008 at 7:11 am

  What?

  I dont “HAVE” to do anything. If you are not capable of understanding simple facts, and they are documented in those recordings, se-la-vie. Your ignorance is not a condition of debate.

• 16. Almiranta  |  April 4th, 2008 at 8:52 am

  SAR, your comment that the desire of homosexuals to hijack the traditional religious and cultural definition of marriage to apply it to a relationship which does not comply with the standards of centuries does NOT reflect envy is simply ludicrous.

  That’s like saying a man did not envy his neighbor’s possession of a Mercedes before he took it. Yeah, he took it because he didn’t want one.

  The mere acceptance of homosexuals is not enough. The mere determination to make sure that committed homosexual couples have the same legals rights as heterosexual married couples is not enough. No, they have to have the WORD—and we ask, why? Isn’t it so they can pretend they are the same?

  What? says “…You are labelling abortion murder but the Supreme Court and the majority of Americans think otherwise..” Uh, no, they do not. Five unelected justices stated that they think a woman has a constitutional right to kill her baby, but they do not address the moral issue of whether or not this is murder. And more than half of all Americans do NOT think abortion at will should be legal. That’s why Roe v Wade is so important to the pro-abortionists—-it lets them override the will of the people, who consistently vote to outlaw abortion at will.

  When people do vote to allow abortions, it is only when the legislation purposely entangles abortion for the sake of convenience with the sacred cows of “saving the mother’s life” and/or “cases of rape or incest”. And there is hesitation about prosecuting a woman for murder because she has an abortion, though the line is getting less clear as we learn more about the unborn child, its stages of development, reaction to pain, and so on. That is why partial-birth abortions are always voted down by The People. The atrocity of butchering a child which could live outside the womb, right up to a minute before it could draw breath, is disgusting to decent people.

  So the term “murder” is one of legally-based semantics, one in which there is acknowledgment that a human life has been taken but a question about the severity of the penalty, if any, for doing so.

• 17. Some Assembly Required  |  April 4th, 2008 at 9:59 am

  #16. Almiranta | April 4th, 2008 at 8:52 am

  Comparing envy of material possessions to envy of rights is what is ludicrous my dear. For instance, you may have a Jetta but envy the Mercedes. But at the end of the day you still have the Jetta. So Homosexuals cannot get married but heterosexuals can. At the end of the day, homosexuals still can’t get married unless they leave the country. See how ludicrous that comparison is.

  You say acceptance of homosexuals like society already has. Let me guess, you also believe racism went out with segregation in the 60’s right?!?! Wake up my dear, the US is not the pristine shining beacon of moral fibre you think it is.

  Homosexuals are human beings so in effect they are the same. You know, just like people of different colors and shapes. A North Korean is the same as an American is the same as a Canadian is the same as a Russian. All Human. So to suggest that they are not the same because they live their lives in a manor which your closed mind cannot except is ludicrous.

  I have never and will never understand why people are so against homosexuals getting married. It’s not like it effects anyone but the two people involved. To me it’s a complete non-issue and waste of breathe. Let them marry each other. They have the right to be perfectly miserable, file for divorce, and fight for possessions and custody of children (adopted or surrogate mother) along with the majority of us heterosexuals. Why take that away from them?

• 18. What?  |  April 4th, 2008 at 2:16 pm

  js,
  Again, you have concluded something that are not supported by the recordings. Try and write down the logical steps required to prove PP is racist and practicing eugenics. Come back and post them. I will show you how you are wrong, again.

  If I called up PP today and asked to donate money to a white person’s abortion and they agreed, would that make them racists? The answer is no.
  The problem with the “study” was that it was outcome oriented. It wanted to prove PP was racist. Once it had enough evidence to convince people like you, who are already looking to destroy PP, it stopped. It didn’t want to push further and prove PP was, if fact, racist.

  js, you should be angry about the people who performed this study. They are not being truthful and your cause suffers because of it. Just think if they pushed forward and actually showed PP would not accept donation for white abortions. Your argument would be that much stronger. Now you just look desparate. I would write them a stern letter if I were you.

  Plantation Owner writes,
  “Simply, whites could be convinced not to have abortions while the minorities could not have been.

  I did say you be the judge. I did not accuse PP of anything other than present statistics and ask a question. You jumped the gun to defend a liberal institution, which you guys always believe are good and benevolent.”

  My point was that you are basing your conclusion on nothing. Your explanation is just as plausible as any other. In fact it is less plausible. The pro-life effort has looked for a smoking gun for years to prove PP has alterior motives and has failed to produce anything.

  You have no evidence PP convinced white people not to have abortions and encouraged minorities to have them depsite years of trying to find it. You would think by now some former abortion clinic worker would come out with some hard evidence.

  Simply put, just because PP preforms abortions does mean they determine which part of the population choose to get them.

  Sorry, but your “arguments” are half-baked. God forbid you ever defend yourself in a criminal trial. Your goose would be cooked.
  “Ladies and gentleman of the jury I did not rob the bank. I will argue the poorest man in town did because he is the one who needs the money the most! I rest my case.”

  Also, I would be careful of accusing anyone of racism when you choose a name like “Plantation Owner.”

• 19. What?  |  April 4th, 2008 at 2:41 pm

  Almiranta,
  You just keep telling yourself most of Americans do not support abortion if it makes you feel better.

  But I like this one:
  So the term “murder” is one of legally-based semantics, one in which there is acknowledgment that a human life has been taken but a question about the severity of the penalty, if any, for doing so.

  This is just precious. Let me fix your thinking.

  Your statement is missing a key ingredient. The reason why we choose to punish some homicides and not others. It is because we consider some homicides more morally offense than others.

  Laws are the moral code by which our society agrees to live by. Murder is punished because it is considered morally wrong. A death that is caused by self defense is not punished because it does not offend society’s morals. Manslaughter is punished less severely than murder because the act was not driven by the same level of immoral thought required in a murder.

  By deciding abortion was a right, SCOTUS implicitly decided a person who gets an abortion could not be charged with murder. Murder is a killing that offends society’s morals.

  That abortion may offend your morals is fine but it is not important. Your morals don’t matter. It is our society’s morals enshined in our laws that matter. If SCOTUS says the Constitution contains a right protecting abortion. Abortion cannot be murder. Although it may offend the morals of many in
  society, it is by law not a morally offensive killing.

• 20. Jeremiah  |  April 4th, 2008 at 3:05 pm

  When Hitler came to power, he simply built on the foundation conveniently laid by German doctors and readily accepted by society in general. German schools taught that in nature the sick die and the healthy survive–therefore, helping the handicapped went against nature. The “gandfather” of their philosophy of natural selection was the same Charles Darwin who is honored in our education sytem today. If man evolved, then he is a mere animal. His value is determined strictly by what he fcan offer society. If man is created in the image and likeness of God, his value is determined by his Creator. Dor. Leo Alexander, who worked with the Chief Counsel for War Crimes at the Nuremberg Trails, observed, “Whatever proportion these crimes finally assumed, it became evident that they had started from small beginnings. The beginnings at first were merely and subtle shift in emphasis in the basic attitudes of the physicians. It started with the acceptance of the attitude, basic in the euthanasia movement, that there is such a thing as life not worthy to be lived.” C. Everett Koop, M.D., Surgeon General of the United States, warns us about what lies ahead. “One could say without hesitation that we are at the crossroads of the corruption of medicine with the corruption of law. Corruption of law came first in this country with the U.S. Supreme Court abortion decision of 1973. The corruption of medicine followed. In Germany in the 1930s the corruption of medicine came first. But the Holocaust could not have come about with the corruption of medicine alone. It took the corruption of law to make euthanasia legal. There is not doubt that if the doctors in Germany had stood for the right to lifeof every individual, the Holocaust at the very least would have been slowed down and minimized.

  Certainly, we, as adult human beings are of no value what-so-ever if the little babies in the womb are considered of no value. Over half of all the little babies that are killed aren’t killed because they’re disfunctional, they are killed for personal reasons–in the name of self, unlimited sexual gratification, perversion, and so on.

  Perhaps, since the little babies are considered of no worth, perhaps we could do all human adults the same way, just like Hitler, just like cattle and hogs at the market, where they are strung up by their hind legs and their throats are slit while hanging, and in the case of pigs, a bolt gun is used to kill them.

  I have one thing to say to all you who support abortion, and to all you who perform abortions out there….

  You bloody bastards!

  –Jeremiah–

• 21. SteaM  |  April 4th, 2008 at 3:17 pm

  I have one thing to say to all you who support abortion, and to all you who perform abortions out there….
  You bloody bastards!

  Well we love you too Jeremiah.

• 22. What?  |  April 4th, 2008 at 8:50 pm

  Jeremiah,
  Hold on to your bible because I am going to blow your mind. Abortion existed before the Nazis. Just because a society performs abortions does not mean they will trun into Nazis. Just because a society allows a person to take their own life if they are suffering does not mean that the society will devolve into a totalitarian regime.
  in other words, C Everett Koop is wrong to think that Roe v. Wde was some magic moment in time when abortion became acceptable. Abortion was an acceptable in many societies practice long before SCOTUS found a right to it, including ours. Have we devolved into Nazi, Jeremiah?

  Also, give me a break with this nonsense:
  “Over half of all the little babies that are killed aren’t killed because they’re disfunctional, they are killed for personal reasons–in the name of self, unlimited sexual gratification, perversion, and so on.”

  Could women who get abortions think that may be they are unfit mothers who cannot emotionally or financially care for the child? What if being pregnant would result in them eing ostrasized by family and friends?

  But may be you are right. May they are perverts. But wait. If these women who get abortions are as sexually perverse as you claim them to be, should they really be raising a child? Isn’t abortion a better choice? If they did not get abortions our world would be filled with children of sexual deviants. Wouldn’t these children be become sexual deviant, repeatedly sodomizing one another until your God came down and smote us all for allowing them to go about their sodomizing ways? Jeremiah, may be your should reconsider your position. May be God wants to make sure these sexaul devaints you talk about don’t have children. Think about it.

• 23. js  |  April 4th, 2008 at 10:49 pm

  why all the soft sell lies about abortion what? did you ever think that less than 1 % of women who have abortions were raped, and had little or no control over thier bodies and thats why they became pregnant, but over 99% of the rest of those who have abortions made the choice to have unprotected sex, and got pregnant because they wanted too?

  abortion on demand is not about choice, its about solving the problem of immature behavior, its about not having to be responsible and not having to pay the consequences of your actions when those actions have created a life that you should protect instead of kill

  so, dont tell us about choice, your lies dont fly in the face of the truth, God already told us about how precious life is, dont insult us with BS.

• 24. js  |  April 4th, 2008 at 10:52 pm

  18. What?

  do you drink when you make these posts, because you are really missing the gist of reality in them

• 25. What?  |  April 5th, 2008 at 2:02 am

  js,

  Empty insults. C’mon.

  It’s great how you finally can say that you are punishing the mother by making her have the child. Some pro-lifers are still unwilling to admit this.

  Although those women who have been raped certainly should have the right to an abortion so should those who had consenual sex but did not want a child. As you made clear, the pregnancy is a punishment for the woman’s choice to have sex:

  “solving the problem of immature behavior, its about not having to be responsible and not having to pay the consequences of your actions”

  I don’t want someone to raise a child who does not want a child. The government should not punish a woman by forcing her to have a family. This does not serve the interest of the woman, the child, or society. Conservative always speak of building strong families. The first step in building a strong family is by making sure the people chose to start one. Wouldn’t you agree?

  Also, you never took up my challenge of explaining how the phone calls prove PP is racist. I am waiting for you to lay out your argument. Given your past inability to prove anything, I will be waiting for a long time.