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Thanks for creating this blog. I thought it was a very interesting read. It is so interesting reading other peoples personal take on a subject.</description>
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		<title>By: Online Dating First Date Can You Feel The Love Tonight</title>
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<p>I didn&#8217;t agree with you first, but last paragraph makes sense for me</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron</title>
		<link>http://blogsforvictory.com/2008/04/03/its-all-gone-wrong/#comment-39819</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 21:45:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right. It’s “all gone wrong for the democrats”.

Job numbers were just released for March - the US economy shed another 80,000 jobs. In addition, the job losses estimate for the first two months of this year was revised downward to 152,000 lost. Overall in his 7 years in office, this president has the worst job creation record since Herbert Hoover.

Also released was the latest Right Track/Wrong Track numbers. A whopping 81% of Americans think the country is on the wrong track, which is the highest level of discontent ever measured in the history of this poll.

Meanwhile, an unnecessary war of choice in Iraq enters its 6th year with no end in sight, draining our country of $12 billion each month just for ongoing operations. The poor performance of the Iraqi military in the quixotic offensive against Sadr last week - ending with a quick truce mostly on Sadr’s terms - reveal that the government in Baghdad wields very little power in its own country, and is not likely to “stand up” on its own any time soon. Fully 2/3rds of the American people think the war was not worth fighting in the first damn place.

All of this in turn means that the number of Americans who identify themselves as Republicans is the lowest level in a generation.

And to cap it all off, Mr Bush is now rated by most historians as the worst president of all time

Yep, things are really looking bad for democrats.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right. It’s “all gone wrong for the democrats”.</p>
<p>Job numbers were just released for March - the US economy shed another 80,000 jobs. In addition, the job losses estimate for the first two months of this year was revised downward to 152,000 lost. Overall in his 7 years in office, this president has the worst job creation record since Herbert Hoover.</p>
<p>Also released was the latest Right Track/Wrong Track numbers. A whopping 81% of Americans think the country is on the wrong track, which is the highest level of discontent ever measured in the history of this poll.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, an unnecessary war of choice in Iraq enters its 6th year with no end in sight, draining our country of $12 billion each month just for ongoing operations. The poor performance of the Iraqi military in the quixotic offensive against Sadr last week - ending with a quick truce mostly on Sadr’s terms - reveal that the government in Baghdad wields very little power in its own country, and is not likely to “stand up” on its own any time soon. Fully 2/3rds of the American people think the war was not worth fighting in the first damn place.</p>
<p>All of this in turn means that the number of Americans who identify themselves as Republicans is the lowest level in a generation.</p>
<p>And to cap it all off, Mr Bush is now rated by most historians as the worst president of all time</p>
<p>Yep, things are really looking bad for democrats.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 21:43:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>nothing in moderation</description>
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		<title>By: southerner</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 13:59:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JS,  you are just another willful liar.  How is it you guys feel the need to depart from truth so frequently in order to argue your case?   There is ZERO evidence to inidicate that Obama had an "involvement" with Islam when he lived in Indonesia (wonderful use of weasel words by the way).  See my post above, liar.  By using as a 'source' an anti-Obama right-wing opinion-driven blog such as FrontPageMag you do nothing but show how desperate you are.

You want a source?  Try an actual newspaper, not a hate-filled internet rag such as FrontPageMag.  Here's what &lt;i&gt;The Chicago Sun&lt;/i&gt; has to say when they sent a reporter to investigate this issue:

&lt;blockquote&gt;JAKARTA, Indonesia - When Barack Obama was a boy here, he studied for three years at a religious school and prayed four times a day.

It was a Roman Catholic school. There, Obama was registered as student No. 203. "Yes, he prayed, because all the students here had to pray in the Catholic way--`in the name of the Father, [Son] and the Holy Spirit,' " recalled Obama's 1st-grade teacher, Israella Pareira Darmawan.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

SOURCE:  http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/chi-070325obama-islam-story,0,7180545.story

But hey, JS, it's not surprising that we would get this lying garbage from you - in recent times you have claimed, among other things, that there are over 3 Billion Muslims in the world, that Europe liberated Iran from the Ottoman Empire (Iran was never even occupied by the Ottomans) and that The Book of Revelations is not in the Bible.  

You consistently lie on this blog in order to make your ridiculous points.  That shows nothing more than how desperate you are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JS,  you are just another willful liar.  How is it you guys feel the need to depart from truth so frequently in order to argue your case?   There is ZERO evidence to inidicate that Obama had an &#8220;involvement&#8221; with Islam when he lived in Indonesia (wonderful use of weasel words by the way).  See my post above, liar.  By using as a &#8217;source&#8217; an anti-Obama right-wing opinion-driven blog such as FrontPageMag you do nothing but show how desperate you are.</p>
<p>You want a source?  Try an actual newspaper, not a hate-filled internet rag such as FrontPageMag.  Here&#8217;s what <i>The Chicago Sun</i> has to say when they sent a reporter to investigate this issue:</p>
<blockquote><p>JAKARTA, Indonesia - When Barack Obama was a boy here, he studied for three years at a religious school and prayed four times a day.</p>
<p>It was a Roman Catholic school. There, Obama was registered as student No. 203. &#8220;Yes, he prayed, because all the students here had to pray in the Catholic way&#8211;`in the name of the Father, [Son] and the Holy Spirit,&#8217; &#8221; recalled Obama&#8217;s 1st-grade teacher, Israella Pareira Darmawan.</p></blockquote>
<p>SOURCE:  <a href="http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/chi-070325obama-islam-story,0,7180545.story" rel="nofollow">http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/chi-070325obama-islam-story,0,7180545.story</a></p>
<p>But hey, JS, it&#8217;s not surprising that we would get this lying garbage from you - in recent times you have claimed, among other things, that there are over 3 Billion Muslims in the world, that Europe liberated Iran from the Ottoman Empire (Iran was never even occupied by the Ottomans) and that The Book of Revelations is not in the Bible.  </p>
<p>You consistently lie on this blog in order to make your ridiculous points.  That shows nothing more than how desperate you are.</p>
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		<title>By: js</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 13:26:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>32. Gaijin  

you really missed a lot 

the reality is, obama's acts, and his words, and the omission of such words, show his intent

1- its not hard to find obama in kenya information, try it when your education catches up with your ability to type

maybe obama endorsed his cousin psychically, so that he would not have to mouth the words of endorsement, but endorse the islamic cousin he did, and it was reported world wide, so you tell us, was it psychic or just a slip of the tongue...

obama knows islam, knew his cousins involvement in the elections, and his families involvement in his tribes failed coop of kenya government in 1982, so yes, bama did it, he sure did you infidel!!

what you said is akin to endorsing hitler, and then adamantly denying that you endorsed the nazi's and 3rd riech, so dont tell us there are flowers growing when its only a pile of horse manuer...

wake up

2- islamic schools are madrassah too, but who cares, there is sufficeint information documenting obama's involvement in islam in indonesia, which he initially totaly denied, until faced with actual facts that he could not deny, so he was caught in ANOTHER LIE.....and obama himself then changed the story to reveal his apostacy from islam 

only a muted ego would need to bring that up, its long history is well docuemented on Front Page Magazine

http://frontpagemagazine.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=1F297C14-C64D-41B1-AEBB-E0325C823CD8</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>32. Gaijin  </p>
<p>you really missed a lot </p>
<p>the reality is, obama&#8217;s acts, and his words, and the omission of such words, show his intent</p>
<p>1- its not hard to find obama in kenya information, try it when your education catches up with your ability to type</p>
<p>maybe obama endorsed his cousin psychically, so that he would not have to mouth the words of endorsement, but endorse the islamic cousin he did, and it was reported world wide, so you tell us, was it psychic or just a slip of the tongue&#8230;</p>
<p>obama knows islam, knew his cousins involvement in the elections, and his families involvement in his tribes failed coop of kenya government in 1982, so yes, bama did it, he sure did you infidel!!</p>
<p>what you said is akin to endorsing hitler, and then adamantly denying that you endorsed the nazi&#8217;s and 3rd riech, so dont tell us there are flowers growing when its only a pile of horse manuer&#8230;</p>
<p>wake up</p>
<p>2- islamic schools are madrassah too, but who cares, there is sufficeint information documenting obama&#8217;s involvement in islam in indonesia, which he initially totaly denied, until faced with actual facts that he could not deny, so he was caught in ANOTHER LIE&#8230;..and obama himself then changed the story to reveal his apostacy from islam </p>
<p>only a muted ego would need to bring that up, its long history is well docuemented on Front Page Magazine</p>
<p><a href="http://frontpagemagazine.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=1F297C14-C64D-41B1-AEBB-E0325C823CD8" rel="nofollow">http://frontpagemagazine.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=1F297C14-C64D-41B1-AEBB-E0325C823CD8</a></p>
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		<title>By: robert w. blunt</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 11:52:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please, please, PUH-LEASE nominate Romney as McSame's VP.  Then you'll get a taste of your own medicine.
Hey Noonan, how can you support a candidate who denies the Trinity?  Ever hear what Joseph Smith said about Catholics?
This is gonna be fun!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please, please, PUH-LEASE nominate Romney as McSame&#8217;s VP.  Then you&#8217;ll get a taste of your own medicine.<br />
Hey Noonan, how can you support a candidate who denies the Trinity?  Ever hear what Joseph Smith said about Catholics?<br />
This is gonna be fun!</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 04:56:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From the top: "Reporters no doubt are scanning Rev. Wright’s massive corpus of texts and DVDs for more hate speech."

Yes, they have to scan the massive whole to extract the relatively small number of infractions of their pretentious standards of political correctness.

The strange thing is that so few out there (including Obama, unfortunately but understandably) are defending Wright for his condemnations of American excess of power. This whole tempest in a teapot reminds me of an incident recalled by Christian commentator William Grigg after all this hit the news:

___________

...The gospel of the Total State, as translated into the idiom of American Christianity, has rarely if ever been stated as bluntly as it was by William P. Merrill in this couplet published in the April 26, 1917 issue of Christian Century (just weeks after war was declared on Germany):

The strength of the State we'll lavish on more, 
Than making of wealth and making of war; 
We are learning at last, though the lesson comes late, 
That the making of man is the task of the State. 

Difficult though it might be for some to understand, there was a time when doctrinally orthodox and socially conservative American Christian clergymen wanted nothing to do with statist sentiments of that variety, even -- no, especially -- when they took on a nationalist tenor.

One very suitable example was offered by Rev. Clarence Waldron of the First Baptist Church in Windsor, Vermont. Mildly Pentecostal in his worship style, Waldron was entirely conservative in his theology and moral views. He was also insurmountably opposed to American involvement in World War I.

In October 1917, Wilson, acting as Pontifex Maximus of the American Civil Religion, urged churches across the nation to decorate their sanctuaries in Red, White and Blue on the twenty-first and lead their congregations in singing "The Star-Spangled Banner." Then a collection was to be taken up as part of "Liberty Loan Sunday," with the mulcted proceeds to be sent as war tribute to Washington.

Waldron refused to play along. When the twenty-first arrived, he preached a gospel message in a chapel blessedly bereft of jingoistic adornments. As Vermont historian Mark Bushnell recalls, after the service a mob descended on Waldron in front of the church and forced the pastor to wrap himself in the flag and sing the National Anthem.

Shortly thereafter, Waldron was removed as pastor, in large measure because of suspicions about his "loyalty" -- not his loyalty to Christ, or his fidelity to Christian precepts, mind you, but his loyalty to the "god" revered by adherents of the Social Gospel -- the American State.

In December 1917, Waldron was indicted by a federal grand jury indicted for violating the Espionage Act. Passed the previous June, that measure imposed prison terms of up to 20 years for any act or statement perceived as willfully obstructing "the recruiting or enlistment service of the U.S."

The specification against Waldron was that "he had once been heard to say 'to hell with patriotism.'" To his undying credit, Waldron admitted on the stand that he had said those words -- in condemnation of the cultish "Gott mitt uns" nationalism promoted by Kaiser Wilhelm's regime in Germany.

"If this is patriotism," a disgusted Waldron had told his acquaintances, "to hell with patriotism."

Apparently, it was a crime and a sin in Wilson's America to impugn nationalism of any variety:

Waldron was convicted and sentenced to 15 years in prison, eventually serving a little more than a year. Of the roughly 1,000 Americans convicted under the World War I Espionage and Sedition Acts, Waldron was the first to be imprisoned exclusively for his religious beliefs.

http://freedominourtime.blogspot.com/2008/03/rights-and-wrongs-of-reverend-wright.html

The Rev. Wright stands securely in a noble Christian tradition of standing up to the state, even at great risk to his own reputation, in condemning the value of nationalism over moral conscience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the top: &#8220;Reporters no doubt are scanning Rev. Wright’s massive corpus of texts and DVDs for more hate speech.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, they have to scan the massive whole to extract the relatively small number of infractions of their pretentious standards of political correctness.</p>
<p>The strange thing is that so few out there (including Obama, unfortunately but understandably) are defending Wright for his condemnations of American excess of power. This whole tempest in a teapot reminds me of an incident recalled by Christian commentator William Grigg after all this hit the news:</p>
<p>___________</p>
<p>&#8230;The gospel of the Total State, as translated into the idiom of American Christianity, has rarely if ever been stated as bluntly as it was by William P. Merrill in this couplet published in the April 26, 1917 issue of Christian Century (just weeks after war was declared on Germany):</p>
<p>The strength of the State we&#8217;ll lavish on more,<br />
Than making of wealth and making of war;<br />
We are learning at last, though the lesson comes late,<br />
That the making of man is the task of the State. </p>
<p>Difficult though it might be for some to understand, there was a time when doctrinally orthodox and socially conservative American Christian clergymen wanted nothing to do with statist sentiments of that variety, even &#8212; no, especially &#8212; when they took on a nationalist tenor.</p>
<p>One very suitable example was offered by Rev. Clarence Waldron of the First Baptist Church in Windsor, Vermont. Mildly Pentecostal in his worship style, Waldron was entirely conservative in his theology and moral views. He was also insurmountably opposed to American involvement in World War I.</p>
<p>In October 1917, Wilson, acting as Pontifex Maximus of the American Civil Religion, urged churches across the nation to decorate their sanctuaries in Red, White and Blue on the twenty-first and lead their congregations in singing &#8220;The Star-Spangled Banner.&#8221; Then a collection was to be taken up as part of &#8220;Liberty Loan Sunday,&#8221; with the mulcted proceeds to be sent as war tribute to Washington.</p>
<p>Waldron refused to play along. When the twenty-first arrived, he preached a gospel message in a chapel blessedly bereft of jingoistic adornments. As Vermont historian Mark Bushnell recalls, after the service a mob descended on Waldron in front of the church and forced the pastor to wrap himself in the flag and sing the National Anthem.</p>
<p>Shortly thereafter, Waldron was removed as pastor, in large measure because of suspicions about his &#8220;loyalty&#8221; &#8212; not his loyalty to Christ, or his fidelity to Christian precepts, mind you, but his loyalty to the &#8220;god&#8221; revered by adherents of the Social Gospel &#8212; the American State.</p>
<p>In December 1917, Waldron was indicted by a federal grand jury indicted for violating the Espionage Act. Passed the previous June, that measure imposed prison terms of up to 20 years for any act or statement perceived as willfully obstructing &#8220;the recruiting or enlistment service of the U.S.&#8221;</p>
<p>The specification against Waldron was that &#8220;he had once been heard to say &#8216;to hell with patriotism.&#8217;&#8221; To his undying credit, Waldron admitted on the stand that he had said those words &#8212; in condemnation of the cultish &#8220;Gott mitt uns&#8221; nationalism promoted by Kaiser Wilhelm&#8217;s regime in Germany.</p>
<p>&#8220;If this is patriotism,&#8221; a disgusted Waldron had told his acquaintances, &#8220;to hell with patriotism.&#8221;</p>
<p>Apparently, it was a crime and a sin in Wilson&#8217;s America to impugn nationalism of any variety:</p>
<p>Waldron was convicted and sentenced to 15 years in prison, eventually serving a little more than a year. Of the roughly 1,000 Americans convicted under the World War I Espionage and Sedition Acts, Waldron was the first to be imprisoned exclusively for his religious beliefs.</p>
<p><a href="http://freedominourtime.blogspot.com/2008/03/rights-and-wrongs-of-reverend-wright.html" rel="nofollow">http://freedominourtime.blogspot.com/2008/03/rights-and-wrongs-of-reverend-wright.html</a></p>
<p>The Rev. Wright stands securely in a noble Christian tradition of standing up to the state, even at great risk to his own reputation, in condemning the value of nationalism over moral conscience.</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 04:39:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you, Southerner, for encapsulating concisely what Obama's education in Indonesia actually consisted of. 

Funny that Noonan, who takes such pride in his Catholicism, doesn't take some kind of exception to these blatant misrepresentations of Obama's early religious instruction.

On the other hand, scratch that. Noonan doesn't care about facts, he just enjoys watching in the mud fly. 

And finally, a tip of the hat to Michael. Even if we disagreed, he made it to the final curtain with his wits and dignity intact.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, Southerner, for encapsulating concisely what Obama&#8217;s education in Indonesia actually consisted of. </p>
<p>Funny that Noonan, who takes such pride in his Catholicism, doesn&#8217;t take some kind of exception to these blatant misrepresentations of Obama&#8217;s early religious instruction.</p>
<p>On the other hand, scratch that. Noonan doesn&#8217;t care about facts, he just enjoys watching in the mud fly. </p>
<p>And finally, a tip of the hat to Michael. Even if we disagreed, he made it to the final curtain with his wits and dignity intact.</p>
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