More Racism at Planned Parenthood
April 7th, 2008 at 09:21am Mark Noonan
Just keep turning over those rocks, and see what scurries away in the light:
The Advocate, a student newspaper at UCLA that ran an investigation about Planned Parenthood’s acceptance of racially-motivated donations, has released another video from its series of investigations into the organization’s fundraising practices.
In February, the Advocate released the recording of a call to an Idaho Planned Parenthood Director of Development in which the caller pretended to be a racist donor who wanted to reduce the number of black people. The Planned Parenthood employee said she was “excited” to take the donation.
“This new video demonstrates a disturbing trend of racism at Planned Parenthood,” said Lila Rose, editor of The Advocate. “Planned Parenthood has no shame in accepting donations to purposely abort minority populations. People have forgotten the organization was founded on these principles and has continued to operate under these same racist views for decades.”
The video features James O’Keefe, a law student posing as a racist donor, who contacted Irene Gray of Planned Parenthood in Albuquerque, New Mexico.
O’Keefe told Gray he wanted to make a donation to abort a black baby. He pretended to rant about affirmative action and how the black population needed to shrink because they compete with whites for admission to schools.
“Yes, yes, it’s a strange time for sure,” Gray replied to O’Keefe.
A group founded with the express purpose of reducing “inferior” births…most notably, of course, black births. To be sure, PP is ok with aborting anyone who walks in the door, but the institutional disregard for basic human decency is on display here - any one with a shred of morality would have told O’Keefe to hit the road…but when it can pay for an abortion (which is PP’s primary function these days), PP just doesn’t care where the money comes from.
Abortion is murder - if you engage in murder, smaller sins just slide on by…
Entry Filed under: Life Issues, Racial Issues
67 Comments
1. Bigfoot | April 7th, 2008 at 10:05 am
Looks like PP is simply being true to their roots.
2. OhioOrrin | April 7th, 2008 at 10:20 am
planned parenthood doesn’t hold a gun to anyone’s head.
if men got pregnant this wouldn’t even be an argument.
having said that I agree that abortion should be regulated, restricted, safe, n rare.
the death issues of abortion, capital punishment, & geriatric care should have consistency from a PUBLIC POLICY standpoint.
GOT THAT - I SAID PUBLIC POLICY NOT SERMONIZING. Debate the pubic policy if ur informed enough to separate that from ur personal opinion!
families n doctors make decisions EVERY DAY to withhold critical care in geriatric facilities.
also, I musta missed all those anti-abortionist protests outside the fertility clinics when they routinely discard thousands of embyros at the direction of the OWNERS of said embyros. Fertility clinic embyros are PROPERTY which is settled law.
having it 5 different ways isn’t sound PUBLIC policy.
3. Diana Powe | April 7th, 2008 at 10:37 am
Mark states categorically that abortion (actually he means, induced abortion, as spontaneous abortions, euphemistically referred to as miscarriages, are very common) is murder. However, this is mere rhetoric. If abortion were truly murder in Mark’s eyes then there is a legal penalty in place that is available to punish each party to the conspiracy of the crime that Mark names. That would include the woman who brings the murder victim to the location of the crime and holds the victim in place while the murder is committed. Of course, Mark fully understands that he can’t follow through on the full meaning of his rhetoric because to do so would be very politically inconvenient as he advocates positions held by the pro-life movement which implicitly acknowledge that, in fact, they don’t believe abortion is murder just as Mark doesn’t really believe it either.
4. kimberly4victory | April 7th, 2008 at 11:11 am
Hey, DianA: Why don’t you stick to the topic of the thread and discuss why you believe Planned Parenthood is being racist or not?
5. Some Assembly Required | April 7th, 2008 at 11:22 am
I’m no lawyer, but isn’t this a form of entrapment on the actor / newspapers part?!?!
If abortion was something that was forced upon women, I’d be up in arms over these allegations. But the simple fact is it is the womans choice to get an abortion. So if a racist wants to donate money specifically to abort one races babies they are in effect helping the woman of that race by subsidizing her cost. It’s Ironic really.
6. Diana Powe | April 7th, 2008 at 11:22 am
Hey kimberly4victory,
Why don’t you take note of the sentence that Mark wrote at the conclusion of this post which is why he even cares about the topic.
7. Some Assembly Required | April 7th, 2008 at 11:29 am
If you can find a case where ‘white’ women are denied abortions by PP along with specific cases of money being donated and transfered specifically for ‘black’ women abortions then I will agree with you here. But until then, this is a ridiculous claim.
8. kimberly4victory | April 7th, 2008 at 11:33 am
I can’t speak for Mark, but I am sure that is not the ONLY reason why he cares about the topic.
I think it’s disgusting how PP will knowingly take a contribution from a “racist”. In other video, it shows PP saying it will definitely direct the contribution toward aborting black babies.
Where is the outrage from the African-American community?
9. Diana Powe | April 7th, 2008 at 11:36 am
Some Assembly Required,
It’s not entrapment because entrapment is only something a law enforcement entity can do to induce someone to commit a crime. While this is highly embarrassing to Planned Parenthood, as it should be, there was no crime committed or assented to. Of course, another interpretation of the conduct of putatively taking money from a “racist donor” is that the Planned Parenthood representatives were thinking something along the lines of, “Better to have a racist imagine that they’re supporting a racist organization rather than having them support an actual racist organization.” No one knows what the thought processes of the recipients of these phone calls actually were, so claiming that Planned Parenthood is ipso facto racist is just a contention rooted in a pre-existing belief that the organization is evil.
10. kimberly4victory | April 7th, 2008 at 11:53 am
Hmmm, the recipients giggled and assured the caller their donation would indeed go to aborting a black baby.
Look, if PP isn’t racist as you claim, why didn’t the recipient(s) of the phone call(s) say, “Sir, we would be happy to accept your donation, but I am afraid we do not designate the money toward aborting any particular race.”
11. Some Assembly Required | April 7th, 2008 at 11:58 am
I may just be spinning here, but accusing PP of being racist becomes a human rights issue. Though there maybe no actual charges the damage to the reputation of PP would be tough to measure. My question here is could this be argued in a civil claims court or is it just considered hard hitting journalism on behalf of the college newspaper?
I agree with you that the issue is more about interpretation and pre-existing prejudice towards PP then anything else.
I personally find it laughable for again the simple fact that it is any woman’s choice to have an abortion. I have yet to come across an article where a woman has been refused an abortion based on race.
12. Diana Powe | April 7th, 2008 at 12:03 pm
Planned Parenthood has every reason to be embarrassed over this. However, to make the claim that the entire organization has a racist agenda would require significantly more evidence especially considering that the phone calls were made to independent Planned Parenthood chapters.
13. Diane Tomlinson | April 7th, 2008 at 12:25 pm
Okay Noonan I’m converted. What Diana Powe said is spot on. Since the US constitution protects you from ex post facto law let’s have a member of the House stand up and offer a bill making Abortion illegal in all cases. Period. Let’s have the penalty for a nurse assisting in the performing an abortion be set at 8 ½ years to 25 years in prison. Let’s have the doctor who commits actual performance of the medical procedure be a mandatory Life in Prison with no chance of parole. For the woman who contracts with the abortionist to kill her child then under established law [I am told] in most states she would qualify for the death penalty.
Since I’ve always been fascinated with the electric chair I think it ought to be brought back as an effective means of execution. I would send a gold foil embossed invitation to you for the first of these executions Mr. Noonan and I would be delighted to pull the switch for such a good cause as showing the rest of Terra just how bloodthirsty and barbaric the religious right is in the United States of America.
The rhetoric of calling abortion murder therefore has no meaning if you are not willing to prosecute young white girls along with everyone else to the FULLEST EXTENT OF THE LAW.
14. Jeremiah | April 7th, 2008 at 12:50 pm
Since I?ve always been fascinated with the electric chair I think it ought to be brought back as an effective means of execution.
Why not just use a rope, Diane? Then you wouldn’t have to use a drop of electricity, cut the cost of execution to —- Zero!
Personally, I’m only in favor of executing those who would vie to do the abortion for her, and then, if she couldn’t find any doctor who would do her operation, and she took matter into her own hands, then we can say the evidence lays solely on her.
In this way, you confine the crime to those actually committing the murder.
Yes, our Forefathers used many thousands of feet of rope…that’s for sure.
I mean, what’s wrong with having a justice system?????? You have to….or society will go plum out of whack!!!
–Jeremiah–
15. Diane Tomlinson | April 7th, 2008 at 12:59 pm
Jeremiah,
I’d like to have you explain why the woman who goes seeking an illegal abortion is not a criminal?
Entering a contract to commit murder is a crime, period. There is no magic wand of forgiveness that can wish this away and there is no religious doctrine that can supercede this well established law. If a woman enters into a contract under the shadow of illegality of abortion to commit this act then she should be tried as I said to the fullest extent of the law. Now I know to do this ruins the whole breeding program because it kills the breeders too but while I’m sharpening my ax for the gander I’m going to pedal the wheel of the grindstone hard for the goose too. And for anyone interested the boyfriend that pushes a woman inot an abortion is also an accessory after the fact if he picks her up and gives her comfort post procedure. For this I would suggest at least 5 to ten years in prison.
16. Rana Quijotesca | April 7th, 2008 at 1:02 pm
I personally it is more that Planned Parenthood is more just trying to get money than it is trying to get money specifically from racist donors. I don’t even think that it cares where the money is coming from, which is problematic in my opinion. However, save the minuscule chance that PP has some insane accounting system, it is highly unlikely that PP can steer specific donations to specific abortions. This is PP being greedy and unscrupulous, not PP being racist.
17. Some Assembly Required | April 7th, 2008 at 1:08 pm
Diane, If abortion is legally considered murder, I wonder would a miscarriage equate to manslaughter? After all it is still murder but the woman did not intend to kill her child.
18. Jeremiah | April 7th, 2008 at 1:14 pm
Diane,
What good do prisons do criminals? Our prisons are full now, they’re the same kind of people in prison as they are on the streets. Prison is the same as welfare and foodstamps, and the American taxpayers pay out millions to support these criminals, only to see them get out to kill more people, peddle more drugs, rape more women and children, steal more, on and on the list goes.
The whole point I’m trying to make here, is, we have to instill a sense of fear in the people of the law man, a sense of respect for other human beings, you know … say, ‘hey, we have laws, and if you break them, you’re going to pay dearly through the death penalty.’
After we start dropping them like flies, then watch and see how much crime takes place.
But until we do, murderers will continue to murder, thieves will continue to steal, because they know they can get by without little or no consequences for their actions, and a free ride to top it all out in a nice warm prison with television, hot food, exercise room the works, while we continue to support them.
Pitiful
–Jeremiah–
19. andrew | April 7th, 2008 at 1:19 pm
Probably alot of planned parenthood workers did tell O’Keefe to hit the road. We don’t hear about that though, these calls were made with an agenda and only reported when they got the results they wanted.
It’s not journalism. A real journalist would report everything, at least a percentage of those who accepted the racist donantions and those who didn’t. The fact that no such statistic has been released by the UCLA advocate would suggest to me the majority hung up on O’Keefe.
The most intersiting thing about the article sited here, is Lila Rose calling the NAACP and ACLU despicable, and her youtube video starting with Obama speaking before a planned parenthood event.
So not only are we to blame all of planned parenthood for the isolated actions of a handfull of it’s employees who broke from it’s policy, but also completely seperate organizations and the front runner in the democratic presidential primary.
It would be just as foolish for me to equate anyone who is pro-life with nuts who have murdered doctors who provide abortions.
This is the new tactic for the pro-life movement, simply calling abortion murder hasn’t been working. So now abortion is racism, abortion is the protection of statutory rapists.
20. Jeremiah | April 7th, 2008 at 1:36 pm
calling abortion murder hasn’t been working.
Andrew,
That’s because the people are blinded by their wants and desires…and they don’t want to see abortion as murder…they want to see a precious little baby as just another piece of garbage to throw away.
It all traces back to Darwin, he’s the first one we recognize as the instigator of this dilemma we face…all this natural selection garbage and such, is where Ms. Sanger got her philosophy of eugenics from.
As some would say, I’m confident that God reserves the hottest places in hell for people like Margaret Sanger and her sidekick - Adolph Hitler.
–Jeremiah–
21. dwalk | April 7th, 2008 at 1:39 pm
A history lesson if you will. PP was founded by Margaret Sanger, her work in eugenics was often cited by Adolf Hitler. Sanger, declared that her mission was for the elimination of the black race.
PP has a very sinister racist past and the work they are doing present day isn’t any different. PP places over 80% of their clinics in minority communities.
Diane, your argument is completely misguided. When have we ever prosecuted someone for a legal act after the fact. I do not believe anyone was prosecuted for owning slaves. And yes, if we were to overturn Roe V. Wade, I would want any woman to be prosecuted for attempted murder if she were caught seeking an abortion.
22. Diane Tomlinson | April 7th, 2008 at 1:54 pm
Let me guess jeremiah you are a big fan of the Old Testament?
23. Some Assembly Required | April 7th, 2008 at 2:00 pm
Jeremiah,
Lets take for example someone busted of marijuana possession. They are harmless, just looking for a little personal stress relief. Some have been sent to Federal prison for this or very similar minor offenses. Take California’s 3 strike rule for instance. Furthermore, your assertion that prisons are little more than homeless shelters is completely ridiculous. Theres a reason why ‘don’t drop your soap’ is a popular saying when talking about federal prison.
Then you proceeded to say Darwin started the problem with adoption because he proposed evolution. Which does exist by the way. Though we may not have evolved much physically, we most certainly have as a society. We’ve done this almost 10 fold since the 1930’s. What Diana and Diane have mentioned in their above posts is the exact reason why nothing will ever be done on the abortion issue. For the simple reason if you make abortion illegal it would have to be on the grounds of being murder. Which, as they have noted comes with it’s own nice little bag of worms. So we can huff and puff back and forth on this issue until the cows come home. The TRUTH is nothing short of a theocracy or the ’second coming of Christ’ will change Roe vs. Wade no matter how you, me or anyone else personally feels about it.
24. Jeremiah | April 7th, 2008 at 2:10 pm
Diane,
Yes, Old and New.
God ordained the death penalty in the beginning, because He wants people to use the brain that He has given them and think before they act, nevertheless, He says in Genesis 9:6 - Whoso sheddeth man’s blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made He man. (KJ)
And Romans 13 for the New Testament.
Here’s how God wants His people to think…
“Thank you for making me so wonderfully complex! Your workmanship is marvelous–how well I know it. You watched me as I was being formed in utter seclusion, as I was woven together in the dark of the womb. You saw me before I was born. Every day of my life was recorded in your book. Every moment was laid out before a single day had passed.” Psalm 139:14-16 (NLT)
So, you see, God loves every person on the face of this earth, and He wants people to think so we can avoid a loss of life, thus avoiding a crime against His Creation, and thus, avoiding the need for capital punishment. See?
–Jeremiah–
25. Jeremiah | April 7th, 2008 at 2:20 pm
The TRUTH is nothing short of a theocracy or the ’second coming of Christ’ will change Roe vs. Wade no matter how you, me or anyone else personally feels about it.
SAR,
The TRUTH is, God may judge America before Christ returns.
As in the words of Thomas Jefferson in his letter from Paris regarding slavery - ‘Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, and that justice cannot sleep forever.’
And what followed?
–Jeremiah–
26. GOP4ME | April 7th, 2008 at 2:25 pm
I just love how the leftists, yet again, refuse to debate the point of the post.
There are multiple instances of proven racism and eugenics and the resident trolls could give a toss.
All of sudden this is entrapment or an agenda driven investigation? Seriously, that is the best you guys can do?
You suppose the GOP to be racist (with little or no proof) however, when an entity you support is proven to be the very thing (and worse) you supposedly abhor you could care less.
Breathtaking…
27. Dennis | April 7th, 2008 at 2:45 pm
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28. SteaM | April 7th, 2008 at 2:50 pm
What would Saudi Arabia do?
29. Some Assembly Required | April 7th, 2008 at 3:01 pm
25. Jeremiah | April 7th, 2008 at 2:20 pm
Just to be clear here, are you implying another civil war is coming over abortion?
30. GOP4ME | April 7th, 2008 at 3:10 pm
Liberating a country from a murderous tyrant that literally killed hundreds of thousands of his own people and neighboring Iranians? Horrendous act of unspeakable brutality you say?
Trying to prevent the murder of tens of thousands innocent lives that occurs every year in this country? Horrendous act of unspeakable hate you say?
To my enlightened eyes, the two are entirely compatible. What the seditious left fails to appreciate is the difference between an innocent and an evil person.
What say you Dennis to the HUNDREDS of thousands found in mass graves in Iraq and killed in a heinous war with Iran? I know, since none of them could vote for the democRATS you could care less right? What say you to the homosexuals being executed AS WE SPEAK due to their sexual orientation in these countries?
I know, your heart only bleeds when it helps your political cause. How pathetic you and your “value system” truly is…
31. SteaM | April 7th, 2008 at 3:18 pm
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32. andrew | April 7th, 2008 at 3:23 pm
Gop4me are you serious?
How many times has this blog criticized left wing bias?
Here’s an investigation that obviously only points out the results it was looking for, that misinforms by omission, and that means nothing to you?
Rather than calling people trolls, tell me why knowing all the details invovled, isn’t important?
33. Dennis | April 7th, 2008 at 4:21 pm
GOP4ME, either your naivete or your value system is pathetic, I’m not sure which. We didn’t rush into Sierra Leone when child soldiers were being pressed into war and civilians were being butchered en masse. In 2004 it is estimated over 100,000 African children were conscripted into armed conflict. And where have we been in Darfur, where genocide makes Saddam’s killing seem desultory by comparison?
It wasn’t Saddam’s innocent victims the Bush administration was concerned with. At the same time the US State Department knew Uzbekistan to be torturing political prisoners its president, Islam Karimov, was welcomed as a guest of honor by Mr. Bush and Uzbekistan was given millions in economic and military aid.
What “validated” the Iraq war above the many other places we could have intervened for humanitarian reasons was the presence of all that oil. If you believe otherwise you are utterly deluded.
34. kimberly4victory | April 7th, 2008 at 4:27 pm
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35. BARRASSO | April 7th, 2008 at 4:44 pm
Tricking ignorant, racist pricks out of their money is a bad thing now??
36. bongoman | April 7th, 2008 at 4:49 pm
Jeremiah is a parody troll, I’m convinced.
Or he’s insane.
37. bongoman | April 7th, 2008 at 4:56 pm
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38. Dennis | April 7th, 2008 at 5:02 pm
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39. Joe | April 7th, 2008 at 5:02 pm
Kim:
It was about WMD. I’d still like to know where those semi trucks were going and what was in them right before the war …
You mean these?
40. bongoman | April 7th, 2008 at 5:06 pm
Ooops: control of the oil is…a vital part of the geopolitical strategy behind our invasion…
41. Jeremiah | April 7th, 2008 at 5:12 pm
Just to be clear here, are you implying another civil war is coming over abortion?
SAR,
How can we avoid it?
How close is abortion in relation to slavery?
Like all depravity that affects society that causes death and suffering to the degree of the Holocaust leads the soul of a Nation ultimately into confusion, until eventually, God says - ‘Enough.’ and order is restored once again. Just as we ended slavery, we vowed never to return to it. So to, will it be with abortion.
Bongoman,
I’m glad you get enjoyment out of my posts in disbelief, I pity you though when one day you come to realise what I’m trying to get across to you is the truth.
I seek to imitate no one, I am me…that you can’t reason with the truth shows how loyal you are to your fallen attractions.
–Jeremiah–
42. bongoman | April 7th, 2008 at 5:51 pm
Spare me! When might that be? When Jesus ‘returns’?
43. Some Assembly Required | April 7th, 2008 at 6:50 pm
37. bongoman | April 7th, 2008 at 4:56 pm
You nailed it spot on here. Spot on. The reasons for going into Afghanistan were not just because of Bin Laden either. Though going in is justified because of him, theres also the oil pipe line and opium fields. Funny thing about wall-street you see, it’s funded largely in part from drug dealers laundering their money through various corporations and shell companies. One guess as to who the worlds biggest supplier of heroine is/was/is…
#41. Jeremiah | April 7th, 2008 at 5:12 pm
It’s not truth that we can’t reason with, it’s extremism. The sad part about it is you don’t realize the difference. That’s ok though, your entitled to be a blind follower.
I’m willing to bet you look at people who believe 9/11 was an inside job as complete nut jobs am I right? If I am, re-think what you stated about the next US civil war being about abortion over nice bowl of corn flakes. Thats just crazy talk man.
44. congressive | April 7th, 2008 at 11:53 pm
Old Testament good… except Numbers 5:27 where God commands a priest to abort an adulterously conceived baby.
Sooo, PP is acting “priestly” when aborting adulterous feti? Sooo confusing…
45. Mark Noonan | April 8th, 2008 at 2:02 am
congressive,
Haven’t we done this twenty times by now? We bring up abortion; you, or some other lefty, brings up Numbers 5:27 and claims it sanctions abortion. Have you ever read that passage? I’ll give you a hand:
What is going on here? Well, if a man suspects his wife of adultery, he is to bring her before the priests, who will administer the bitter water after the woman has sworn to her purity - if she’s lying, she’ll be cursed and if not, then all will be well.
Not an abortion - just a means by which God determined the Old Testament Jews should adjudicate un-witnessed accusations of adultery - adultery being a massively serious crime in primitive agricultural/pastoral cultures as property is usually divided amongst the sons, and if a woman has a child via adultery, it not only brings shame upon the family, but could result in strife over inheritence.
If you are to comment on matters religious, you should bestir yourself to learn about it, first.
46. Mark Noonan | April 8th, 2008 at 2:10 am
Diane,
That might be the case, if I were as merciless as those who advocate legal abortion - but, I’m not. There are plenty of victims in the abortion issue, but only a few perpetrators…if I were to send someone to jail over it, I’d much prefer it to be the board of NARAL and PP, who have done so much to poison America with their bald-faced lies about abortion.
When it comes down to it, I’d rather send the camp commandant to prison than the camp guard - and I certainly bear no ill will towards those camp inmates who were bamboozled into helping the guards.
47. congressive | April 8th, 2008 at 2:48 am
Boy, don’t you hate that? Every time someone abuses the Bible for their own evil purposes, some bozo like me actually quotes the Bible to illustrate the error of their ways.
You imply the Old Testament no longer applies. Which parts exactly? Jesus came to fulfill the Old Testament, not eliminate it. Which parts do we get to ignore?
Go to the original Hebrew language and you’ll find your “belly will swell” sanitized version means “she will have barrenness and a miscarrying womb”. A “miscarrying womb” caused by priestly trauma is an abortion any way you want to spin it. What if she’s innocent, but aborts anyway, as often happens from malnutrition or defect? She is cursed anyway, according to this lovely passage, through no fault of her own. But of course, God wouldn’t let that happen, right?
The whole point was that Jeremiah loves him some old testament, except for parts that run contrary to the standard talking point that Planned Parenthood is evil.
Planned Parenthood provides incredibly useful support where bloviators just spew hate and judgment and waste a lot of perfectly good oxygen spitting fire and brimstone at liberals while your hero McCain claims he’d just let his 15-year-old daughter decide whether to abort an unwanted pregnancy. Even King George stated that he’d leave the decision to abort up to his daughters. SOURCE HERE You can’t be more “pro-choice” than that. Either they lied to get elected, or really don’t care about abortions. Either way, you are championing hypocrites.
Which ones of you will march McCain’s daughter to the gallows? Which ones of you think a fifteen year old could possibly take full responsibility for such a huge desicion?
BTW, your story of a miscreant PUNKING a PP phone handler in New Mexico is just petty.
48. js | April 8th, 2008 at 8:35 am
“Go to the original Hebrew language and you’ll find your “belly will swell” sanitized version means “she will have barrenness and a miscarrying womb”. A “miscarrying womb” caused by priestly trauma is an abortion any way you want to spin it. ”
The biggest lies are in the deception.
Please, congressive, explain exactly why you dont identify the difference between miscarriage (as abortion) and abortion (as a procedure). Its pretty obvious to most 12 year olds, yet, you try to sell us a con job that they are the same. Generally, a spontaneous abortion is far from the atypical abortion that killed 45 million American kids over the last generation.
Are you nuts?
dont answer, we already figured it out….the biggest liars tell the biggest lies….its normal
49. js | April 8th, 2008 at 8:56 am
47. congressive | April 8th, 2008 at 2:48 am
Boy, don’t you hate that? Every time someone abuses the Bible for their own evil purposes, some bozo like me actually quotes the Bible to illustrate the error of their ways.
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I guess its true. You lied by omission about abortion, and you are directly lying here.
Ac 13:39 -
And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.
did you know that under the law, we are all dead? not one is worthy to salvation through the levitical laws…….
Romans 12:13-16 - 13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified. 14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: 15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience F11 also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;) 16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.
Ga 2:16 - Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
50. js | April 8th, 2008 at 9:06 am
Thier wealth is born upon the execution of the innocent.
Planned Parenthood needs to be cut off as a non profit, they have given thier identity as a PAC, and that violates federal law.
Then they should be made to answer for thier deeds. Its akin to genocide, when a organization this large employs tactics that accept contributions for the elimination of any specific race.
Then again, they have allies in the DNC that would defend them. We continue in this evil under our leadership, which makes each and every one of us a participant in this disparity of Justice.
Its a good thing to fight now, so later we have a light to hold up. We can fall into silence, and remain in the dark and a willing participant, or stand up as Christians and good people and fight it with the Sword of Truth.
51. Diana Powe | April 8th, 2008 at 11:49 am
Mark,
I’m guessing that Comment # 46 was directed at me as it seems to be some kind of response to my Comment # 3. If so, it simply further illustrates that you and others in the pro-life movement want to be able to throw around the word murder in reference to what takes place during an induced abortion so you can feel serious about the subject. However, as I correctly pointed out, you know that you cannot genuinely believe and argue that it is the actual crime of murder because that is political suicide. The emperor most assuredly has no clothes.
52. Tractatus | April 8th, 2008 at 1:37 pm
their bald-faced lies about abortion
And what bald-faced lies would those be? The one about the (factually nonexistant) link between abortion and breast cancer? The one about the (factually nonexistant) link between abortion and future infertility? The one with the (factually false or, at best, misleading) information about the mental health effects of abortion?
Oh, my mistake those are (just a few) right-wing bald-faced lies about abortion. But they’re right wing, so I’m sure you’ll find a way to justify them or, failing that, simply ignore them.
Thier [sic] wealth is born upon the execution of the innocent.
Actually, abortion services are a money-losing proposition for Planned Parenthood. Better luck next time, js.
53. congressive | April 8th, 2008 at 3:55 pm
Back OT, which one of you will escort McCain and Bush to the gallows when they drive their daughters to a Planned Parenthood facility for an abortion? They have both stated that they would let their DAUGHTERS decide, then quietly and secretly honor their wishes.
In case you think I made that up - SOURCE HERE
When it’s THEIR choice, they’re CLEARLY pro-choice. when it’s YOUR choice, they’re pro-life.
How do you feel about that?
54. Diana Powe | April 8th, 2008 at 4:03 pm
congressive,
That’s easy. Mark can rationalize his empty use of the word murder because all that matters is that he gets to feel self-righteous when he does so as do almost all of the so-called right to life crowd. The emperor is naked and is asking the parade watchers to compliment him on his fine clothes.
55. Jeremiah | April 8th, 2008 at 6:33 pm
Congressive and Diana,
If choice applies to little babies, shouldn’t choice apply to normal, healthy adults as well?
Can’t you just say to your happy, healthy mom, dad, brother or sister - “You’re inconvenient, I don’t want you anymore, I’ll just kill you”????
Shouldn’t it apply to them as well?
Over 50 MILLION of these same Moms, Dads, Brothers, Sisters, Aunts, Uncles, and Neices, were murdered because they were deemed “inconvenient”.
Why?
I tell ya, I don’t know what to think anymore, I just laugh at you screwed-up-in-the-head Democrats and move on.
But it’s not funny in the least bit, I can tell you that much right now, because, to me, you left-wingers are inconvenient.
–Jeremiah–
56. Diana Powe | April 8th, 2008 at 6:38 pm
Jeremiah,
So, you agree with Mark that it’s okay to just say something is murder so you can feel righteous but not actually want to legally hold everyone involved to account?
57. Jeremiah | April 8th, 2008 at 6:42 pm
Diana,
NO! I’m turning the tables on you. I’m putting YOU in the hot-seat now…You tell me, if choice, which includes murder in it, can be applied to little innocent babies, shouldn’t you be able to apply it to perfectly normal, healthy, grown-ups as well, no matter what age?
58. Diana Powe | April 8th, 2008 at 6:50 pm
Jeremiah,
No, because murder is a crime which has specific criminal sanctions against it in every state in this country.
59. Jeremiah | April 8th, 2008 at 6:54 pm
No, because murder is a crime which has specific criminal sanctions against it in every state in this country.
Ok, then why is it legal for little innocent babies then? Aren’t they have just as much ore more intrinsic worth than you do?
–Jeremiah–
60. Jeremiah | April 8th, 2008 at 8:02 pm
Diana?
I’m assuming then that you do, indeed, consider abortion, rightfully, ‘murder’, and that the law should uphold it as such…I’m I correct?
61. What? | April 8th, 2008 at 8:24 pm
Dude,
Matt already posted this topic. Moving on.
Jeremah writes,
Ok, then why is it legal for little innocent babies then? Aren’t they have just as much ore more intrinsic worth than you do?
Actually, Jeremiah the Supreme Court has ruled unborn babies don’t have the same rights as you and I do. Most Americans are of the same opinion.
62. Jeremiah | April 8th, 2008 at 9:55 pm
Actually, Jeremiah the Supreme Court has ruled unborn babies don’t have the same rights as you and I do. Most Americans are of the same opinion.
Yes, Harry A. Blackmun was stupid.
Perverting the law, just like they are the children in our schools.
63. Diana Powe | April 8th, 2008 at 10:09 pm
Jeremiah,
If induced abortion is murder, which is what Mark unequivocally states, then it needs to be prosecuted as murder which means that all parties to the offense, including the mother, are to be prosecuted. However, Mark doesn’t really believe that it’s murder and neither does most of the “right to life” movement. So, you’re on board with prosecuting the mother, correct?
64. Jeremiah | April 8th, 2008 at 10:39 pm
So, you?re on board with prosecuting the mother, correct?
Yes I am, Diana!
Any woman that could be so low, and cold as to murder her own baby deserves the same fate.
Whatever it takes…someone needs to stand up and have the courage to put God first in these here “United” States.
65. js | April 8th, 2008 at 10:41 pm
you guys need some new material
jeremiah makes the only sense out of the whole mess
it doesnt pay to argue with stooges jeremiah, they just talk in circles, and say the same thing every time the issue rises, yet they just cant figure out what the value of life is
you cant teach the ignorant jeremiah, you can throw pearls in front of the all night and all day long, and they just trample them
they dont and wont know, and they want it that way
66. Mark Noonan | April 9th, 2008 at 2:35 am
Diana,
No, because we are not robots, nor are we in the pro-life movement going to fall into such a transparent trap - you want us to say “execute the mother”, so that you can turn about and call us a bunch of lunatics unworthy of support. Sorry, but we’re not as dumb as you would like us to be…
We call it murder because that is what it is - no cowardly hiding being “choice” and “terminated pregnancy”; call it what it is, and let those who advocate for it squirm, as you clearly do, almost certainly because you have a guilty conscience for being in favor of keeping a species of murder legal.
67. Tractatus | April 9th, 2008 at 11:58 am
We call it murder because that is what it is
Except that it’s not. Which is related to DP’s point: You want to call it murder because it brings a certain emotional heft, but you don’t want to actually treat it as murder.
What if a woman drinks and smokes while pregnant and then miscarries. Manslaughter? According to you, it would have to be.