26 Comments

• 1. Diane Tomlinson  |  April 11th, 2008 at 7:59 am

  Villariagosa a racist? Really? As the mayor of LA you are painting Villaraigosa as a racist based upon an article in Human Events?

  (Slanderous insults deleted)

• 2. Some Assembly Required  |  April 11th, 2008 at 8:05 am

  I honestly don’t know what scared them more, AQ or complete racial equality….

• 3. Diane Tomlinson  |  April 11th, 2008 at 8:09 am

  Deleted - slanderous insults.

• 4. js  |  April 11th, 2008 at 8:17 am

  you go from racial equality to nukin iran dt…and you are biased, a bigot yourself against religion, so what ever you post on the issue isnt worth even reading

  Christianity is founded on equality, its the core of what created liberty in America. A basic right, truths that are self evident, that all men are created equal based on the laws of nature, and of natures God, to which we are all entitled.

  So insulting conservativism as an act of attacking the core christian values we try to uphold is nothing more than a disgrace to you, the web site your monicker links too, and the entire concept of justice.

• 5. Diane Tomlinson  |  April 11th, 2008 at 8:27 am

  Deleted - slanderous insults.

• 6. Some Assembly Required  |  April 11th, 2008 at 8:28 am

  I couldn’t agree more and have often wondered myself if the ‘powers that be’ are just itching for an excuse to use the bigger toys that the military has to offer.

  The desperation is really coming to the surface in the past couple of months. What if a man of color gains office to the US and ‘whites’ are no longer the superior race that defines policy on immigration and human rights issues. A day will come in the not so distant future where you will see ‘white’ people clearing ditches who are not prison inmates. I’m a DIY person myself. Personally, I think everyone should have to do some physical labor work at some point in their lives. It makes you humble and there is nothing more rewarding then working you butt off all day then stepping back and seeing the fruits of your labor IMO. Maybe some integration into high school, not just a woodworking class, but students working as labors for local contractors. (liability would be split between school and contractor). It would be an excellent way to gain experience while teaching students respect for tradesmen. Without them society would crumble. Whereas without say, lawyers, roads could still be constructed and houses built.

• 7. Cavalor Epthith, Esquire, D.S.V.J.  |  April 11th, 2008 at 8:31 am

  I am truly enjoying the debate here and promise all my staff will remian civil and respectful of Noonan Margolis et al.

  SAR,

  Easy on that lawyer stuff a demon has to eat and feed its offspring too you know!

• 8. Some Assembly Required  |  April 11th, 2008 at 8:47 am

  Cav,

  I eat demons with my Corn Flakes.

• 9. Some Assembly Required  |  April 11th, 2008 at 8:57 am

  “Christianity is founded on equality”

  Yes, it was founded and yes it preaches equality. There is a big difference however in preaching and practicing. This is the Problem with you neo-cons. All Preach no Practice. You want everyone else to do that for you. Kind of like those Mexicans pruning your flowers.

• 10. Cavalor Epthith, Esquire, D.S.V.J.  |  April 11th, 2008 at 9:12 am

  two things i am quite fond of Corn Flakes and two bravo. The practice what one preaches dynamic has been sorely lacking in the Colonies lately especially in regard to the issue of immigration. This is a bit of a conumndrum for the USA as it must have the labor to asure the leisure of its Middle Class suburbanites and exurbanites yet their presence and evenetual clamor for citizenship threatens white rule at its very core.

  My my what a glue pot this will be twenty years into the future for all those in middle school today.

• 11. Some Assembly Required  |  April 11th, 2008 at 9:23 am

  I agree. This is also a primary reason why The ‘right’ cannot conceive the notion of Obama as president. He represents ‘change’. Not just in politics but change towards racial equality, which as you stated threatens white rule at its core. In terms of human society, what is unfolding today is much bigger then Neil Armstrong walking on the moon. From Slavery to Freedom, From Segregation to Unity, From Affirmative action to Equality. Interesting times indeed.

• 12. kimberly4victory  |  April 11th, 2008 at 9:58 am

  Hello? The point is they are ILLEGALS. I have a ton of friends who agree with me.

  Are they white? Nope. They’re Mexican-Americans (and would prefer to be called Americans, btw) and they are here as LEGAL American citizens. Several of them were here over a dozen years before they became citizens. Before they became legal US citizens, they were here LEGALLY. They were hard-working and law-abiding.

  This crap about the whites is, well, pure crap. I don’t care if they are purple. If they’re ILLEGAL, they should be sent back.

  As far as Americans not wanting to do the jobs “they” do, business owners need to up the wages. Illegals will do the jobs no matter the pay. If the wages were higher, LEGAL Americans would take the job.

  I don’t think DT even took time to read the article because it came from a conservative web site and not a far left web site.

  The motto of the MeCha is “For La Raza todo. Fuera de La Raza nada.” For anyone who values equal rights (funny, I thought DT did), it means: “For The Race everything. Outside The Race, nothing.” Sounds racist to me. And, the Mayor is associated with this group. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it must be a duck.

• 13. Diane Tomlinson  |  April 11th, 2008 at 10:08 am

  Deleted - slanderous accusations.

• 14. Amanda  |  April 11th, 2008 at 10:48 am

  Realise, Moslem…

  Is Mark British?

• 15. kimberly4victory  |  April 11th, 2008 at 10:56 am

  First, I am not part of DT’s “tribe”, nor do I wish to be. Just want to make that perfectly clear!

  Second, after some research, it seems DT is correct about the motto.

  I wonder if the mayor is rescinding his membership to the group since it “disputes the charge that it supports undocumented immigration, constantly reiterating its support for effective and reasonable border security and immigration-law enforcement.”

  In a speech in San Diego, NCLR CEO Janet Murguía stated: “First, as a sovereign nation, the United States has the right to determine who comes and who stays. . . [It also] has a right to consider enforcement at a variety of levels, including border enforcement, interior enforcement, and workplace enforcement. . . We support enforcement… [because] as Americans, we recognize it’s the right thing to do.”

• 16. Mark Noonan  |  April 11th, 2008 at 11:41 am

  Diane,

  MeCHA is a racist organization, and Villaraigosa has never renounced his membership, nor condemned the aims and ideology of that racist, treasonous organization…if a Republican had once upon a time been a member of a white supremacist group and refused to denounce it, what would you be saying about him?

  Now, as to your accusations of racial bias on my part - and your additional blanket accusation that we conservatives are racist: you will offer a complete retraction and an apology in your next comment, or be banned. I’m sorry Diane, but you’ve just gone too far, too many times.

• 17. Mark Noonan  |  April 11th, 2008 at 11:46 am

  SAR,

  I’ll bet that most of the Mexicans out there pruning flowers are doing it for upper class liberals…been through Beverly Hills lately?

  And, as an aside, in my life I’ve done my bit of physical labor, courtesy of the United States Navy - chipping paint, cleaning toilets…you can’t get a man more sympathetic than me vis a vis those who labor.

• 18. js  |  April 11th, 2008 at 11:48 am

  The acronym MEChA stands for “Movimiento Estudiantil Chicano de Aztlan.” or “Chicano Student Movement of Aztlan.”

  MEChA is an Hispanic separatist organization that encourages anti-American activities and civil disobedience. The radical members of MEChA who refer to themselves as “Mechistas,” romanticize Mexican claims to the “lost Territories” of the Southwestern United States — a Chicano country called Aztlan. In its national constitution, MEChA calls for self-determination by its members to liberate Aztlan. MEChA’s national constitution starts out: “Chicano and Chicana students of Aztlán must take upon themselves the responsibilities to promote Chicanismo within the community, politicizing our Raza with an emphasis on indigenous consciousness to continue the struggle for the self-determination of the Chicano people for the purpose of liberating Aztlán.”

  These anti-American “Mechistas” live with the false illusion that they are being racially discriminated against because they are Latinos while totally dismissing the idea that maybe it is their ideology that is being discriminated against.

  At the MEChA National Conference on March 15 - 18, 2001, the official “MEChA Philosophy” was ratified. An excerpt from the document states: “as Mechistas, we vow to work for the liberation of Aztlan.”

  The MEChA Clubs on each of the Santa Barbara high school campuses are not the only ones. MEChA groups exist on 90 percent of the public high school, college and university campuses in the Southwestern United States.

• 19. js  |  April 11th, 2008 at 11:50 am

  americans have a short memory, mexico and mexicans still hold contempt against the united states for the theft of the sw region, which was officially mexican territory before it because the USA

  a hundred years ago, MEChA activists would have been tried for treason or espionage, and duely hung by the neck until they were dead

  america forgot, but the chicano’s still seek revenge

• 20. Some Assembly Required  |  April 11th, 2008 at 12:18 pm

  Mark, I’m sure there are just as many liberals who have mexican gardeners as there are conservatives that have them. And of course, both live in Beverly Hills among many other places in the country. The only real difference being Liberals don’t hide behind the values of their religion. No, at least they are knowingly hypocritical. Sure they’ll buy an electric car, but that doesn’t cancel the Hummer and Escalade parked next to it in their house size garages. The point I was trying to make is that it’s fine to have Christian values and preach them as long as you abide by them as well. This is most notably lost with Neo-cons then with Liberals. Seeing of course how (in general) atheists, homosexuals, and pro-choice people tend to be attracted to liberalism.

  I respect your service in the navy. I myself have never served but I have done my fair share of labor work. Panning Crab from fishing boats had to be about the most physically demanding. Man do those juices burn when you get them in open cuts.

  What would you think about a labor program in high schools? Say take a half or full day a week even for just a single semester. At the very least it would motivate students to study more considering some of the terrible wages tradesmen get for their hard labor. It appalling really.

• 21. Mark Noonan  |  April 11th, 2008 at 12:46 pm

  SAR,

  I’ll dispute that notion - liberals do what they do (advocate open borders, be in favor of racial set asides, etc, etc, etc) because they figure that by so doing they have excused themselves from their sins…such as that of hiring an illegal at substandard wages to prune the roses and mind the kids. Liberals don’t want any inconvenience, but they also want to feel that they are morally superior - so they’ve worked out a whole series of rationalisations.

  We Christians look at things differently. All honest work properly done is pleasing to God, and people should do the work they are called to do as best as they can - and, thus, morally, the janitor who does a good job sweeping the hall has done just as honorable and valuable a thing as the brain surgeon who does a good job removing a tumor. It is only on the left where you find a ranking of the worth of work - that some forms of honest work are less valuable than others, or that people who do certain sorts of work are suffering injustice as related to those doing other sorts of work.

  While you on the left like to pat yourselves on the back and presume a racist/nativist motivation for those opposed to illegal immigration, the truth is far more complex - and my opposition is based upon the fact that illegal immigration, as it is today, is immoral. This is because:

  It props up a corrupt and incompetant elite in Mexico.

  It undercuts the wages of legal immigrant and native workers in the United States.

  It lowers respect for the rule of law.

  I don’t want to trade off - I want the immorality ended. The best means, ultimately, to do this is a properly regulated guest-worker program, but such a program can only be brought to life AFTER we have secured the borders because the political anger over immigration just won’t allow it to happen any other way.

  You can go ahead and think that because you have nice thoughts about illegals, as people, you are doing well - but what you are doing is actually a moral horror…illegal immigration must stop. Period, end of story - any other course of action is inherently immoral…and thus the Mayor’s demand that ICE lay off is just another example of liberalism demanding we be immoral so that liberals can feel morally superior without having to do the difficult, right thing.

• 22. Some Assembly Required  |  April 11th, 2008 at 1:17 pm

  Mark,

  “liberals do what they do (advocate open borders, be in favor of racial set asides, etc, etc, etc) because they figure that by so doing they have excused themselves from their sins…such as that of hiring an illegal at substandard wages to prune the roses and mind the kids. Liberals don’t want any inconvenience, but they also want to feel that they are morally superior - so they’ve worked out a whole series of rationalisations.”

  With the exception of open borders and racial set asides the exact same thing can be said for Neo-cons. It’s a Catch-22 that America has itself in. Theres the problem of illegals, but then solving that problem means the price of conveniences for the upper and middle class goes up.

  “We Christians look at things differently. All honest work properly done is pleasing to God, and people should do the work they are called to do as best as they can - and, thus, morally, the janitor who does a good job sweeping the hall has done just as honorable and valuable a thing as the brain surgeon who does a good job removing a tumor. It is only on the left where you find a ranking of the worth of work - that some forms of honest work are less valuable than others, or that people who do certain sorts of work are suffering injustice as related to those doing other sorts of work.”

  Again, practice what you preach. If you ‘Christians’ consider both equally important then why not pay them the same wages? Why does a janitor often have to resort to a second job while the surgeon drives 3 cars and lives in a 2 storey home? By your standard here every job has the same value. So, since people are paid on their worth then everyone should be making the same amount of money.

  “and my opposition is based upon the fact that illegal immigration, as it is today, is immoral. This is because:
  It props up a corrupt and incompetant elite in Mexico.
  It undercuts the wages of legal immigrant and native workers in the United States.
  It lowers respect for the rule of law.”

  I completely agree with you here. But I do not believe the millions of illegals in the US now should be rounded up. I say let the ones stay that are in country. What I think needs to be done is the bleeding needs to stop. Stricter boarder enforcement along with working with Mexico to help build their country making it less of a temptation to move to the US to achieve a better life. The guest-worker program is a good idea as well. Making sure they do not ‘overstay their welcome’ would be a bit tricky.

  “Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa is asking federal officials to rethink their policy on workplace immigration crackdowns that involve established businesses and to focus on employers that mistreat workers instead.”

  That hardly sounds like an immoral stance to me. Sounds more like cracking down on human injustice in the work place above where the person originates from. Now, I’m not a religious man, but I think even God would agree with this here. Human suffering at the hands of others takes precedence over where you were born. wouldn’t you agree?

• 23. Tractatus  |  April 11th, 2008 at 1:26 pm

  Villariagosa a racist? Really? As the mayor of LA you are painting Villaraigosa as a racist based upon an article in Human Events?

  (Slanderous insults deleted)

  Just had to repost this beautiful bit of irony. Noonan calls the mayor of LA a racist for no other reason than because he wants the mayor of LA to be a racist, and then he deletes pushback to that idea as “slanderous insults.” (And then, for an added bonus, demands a retraction an apology for accusations of racial bias.) Ahhh, good times.

  Realise, Moslem…

  Is Mark British?

  No. He just thinks spelling things that way makes him seem smarter. Also, he thinks he’s making a political statement by spelling it “Moslem” instead of “Muslim.”

  you can’t get a man more sympathetic than me vis a vis those who labor.

  Except that “those who labor” shouldn’t unionize. Because when “those who labor” join together…well, that’s bad. They might start asking for things instead of keeping quiet and knowing their place. This tremendous wellspring of sympathy really only goes so far.

• 24. Diane Tomlinson  |  April 11th, 2008 at 3:48 pm

  Deleted - did not contain required apology and retraction of slanderous statements. Commenter to be banned.

• 25. Mark Noonan  |  April 11th, 2008 at 9:23 pm

  SAR,

  Villaraigosa, though, is still making things worse - the reason there is horrid exploitation of illegals is because there are illegal workers to exploit. Justice requires a stoppage to illegal immigration - and justice for everyone, including the illegals.

  I don’t advocate rounding them up - but we must secure the boarder and allow attrition to reduce their number to the point where employers and rich people feel the pinch…not enough cheap laborers, not enough nannies and gardeners…then there will come the cry - and the political power - to start a guest worker program which will bring in those we need, above board, for a fair wage and without exploitation…in short, what everyone is supposed to want, but liberals sabotage by insisting that lawbreakers be allowed to continue to break the law.

  Now, as for equal pay - can’t work; a janitor did not bestir himself to the long and expensive task of learning how to become a doctor…a man won’t so bestir himself unless adequately compensated for his effort. But the work, in and of itself, is equally valuable and as long as it is done right, it is a glory to God.

  There are differences, you know? While a janitor makes less money, he also probably has more time to enjoy life, whereas a doctor is turning and burning maybe 80 hours a week…you’ve got to stop being hung up on the differences, and start giving glory to God that they exist.

• 26. Mark Noonan  |  April 11th, 2008 at 9:25 pm

  Tract,

  They may join together - and if it were a genuine cooperative arrangement for the benefit of the workers and the improvement of their work, great…unfortunately, most unions are corrupt organizations dedicated to the advancement of liberalism and the restraint of trade.

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