22 Comments

• 1. Nate  |  April 11th, 2008 at 10:29 pm

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sc9PepjyDow

• 2. Freedom1  |  April 11th, 2008 at 10:35 pm

  Obama, “And it’s not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy toward people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.”

  Obama refers to “religion” like it’s a bad thing. This is just more evidence that Obama is NOT a genuine Christian.

  Obama is standing by these comments…
  http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/04/11/obama-draws-fire-for-comments-on-small-town-america/

• 3. js  |  April 11th, 2008 at 10:51 pm

  This is more of his racist persona showing.

  He wasnt talking about small towns filled with mixed races, he is harping on the fringes of a Wright moment….an insult cleaverly disguised to conceal the simple basics, that those small towns are where whitey live…with his guns…and thier pro white churches that blacks never go to…because there are none in a hundred miles….the statement “who arent like them” is the show, barak hussein obama has it in for whitey, or he wouldnt have hung out with Wright at the Trinity for 20 years folks, the guys a racist….

• 4. Jeremiah  |  April 11th, 2008 at 11:00 pm

  Persecution is happening daily against Christians.

  The worst is yet to come, should Obama get the presidency, the flood-gates will be opened to persecution of all kinds…as some will be privileged and others not.

  http://bconservativesunitedb.blogspot.com/2008/04/demands-of-state.html

• 5. GOP4ME  |  April 11th, 2008 at 11:49 pm

  Man, oh man I cannot wait for the trolls’ cut and paste jobs to deflect from Snobama’s unbelievable comments.

  How you idjits on the left can think this guy is going to get you to the promised land is so beyond me…

• 6. Gozer the Carpathian  |  April 12th, 2008 at 12:03 am

  Coming from small town America I have no clue what Obama was smoking to get what he’s saying. While it was small town California I doubt it’s much different than small town anywhere else. Few jobs, everyone knows each other, and very little diversity. I mean mine was the only Chinese family in town for decades, and heck we could count the number of black families in my town on one hand. That doesn’t make us small town people anything like he’s describing.

• 7. LiberalNitemare  |  April 12th, 2008 at 12:13 am

  I dont really predict a big response from the libs on this one. Its much easier to whine about Bush then to actually defend thier candidate.

  Plus, truth is, this is what they really think. When it gets down to it - they simply dont understand how we see it any other way.

• 8. congressive  |  April 12th, 2008 at 1:24 am

  Ok, I’ll bite.

  Are you saying there are no towns suffering from plant closures, outsourcing jobs or urban blight? Or are you saying there is no comfort to be had in religion? Obama says when people suffer, they cling to religion, guns, xenophobia, whatever takes their minds off the problem. Are you saying people DON’T do that?

  McCain blunders his supposed strong point by confusing Shi’ites with al Qaeda and you just call it a senior moment that a gentle reminder from Lieberman puts to rest. But you think Obama is out of touch because you parse a sentence from hours and hours of speeches that implies religion gives comfort to the hopeless and downtrodden?

  Ok. You win. At least you think you win, ’cause nuthin’s gonna undissonate your cognitification.

  (For clarification purposes, if an Iranian Shia stumbled into an al Qaeda camp, they would cut off his head and bend it like Beckham.)

• 9. Percy Beezer  |  April 12th, 2008 at 1:36 am

  http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,664967,00.html

  al Qaeda in Iran, must be a lot of dead Iranians we don’t know about.

• 10. Rich  |  April 12th, 2008 at 1:37 am

  So Congressive- you would have us believe that the gifted orator you believe Obama to be put one positive thing “religion” in with other things he sees as negative when referring to people being bitter? You expect us to believe that Obama wasn’t using religion as a negative here?

• 11. Arctic Fox  |  April 12th, 2008 at 1:37 am

  So a question for you, Freedom1.

  If a person clings to their guns, and their religion, but they are Muslim not Christian - is that a good or a bad thing?

• 12. Rich  |  April 12th, 2008 at 1:40 am

  Regarding Percy’s article and Congressive’s snarky line about bending it like Beckham. Care to elaborate why the Sunni terrorists that killed thousands of Americans were allowed access through shiia Iran? Do you believe this article or is it a lie?

• 13. Percy Beezer  |  April 12th, 2008 at 1:46 am

  From the 9-11 Commission Report, page 61
  

  Bin Ladin reportedly showed particular interest in learning how to use truck bombs such as the one that had killed 241 U.S. Marines in Lebanon in 1983.The relationship between al Qaeda and Iran demonstrated that Sunni-Shia divisions did not necessarily pose an insurmountable barrier to cooperation in terrorist operations. As will be described in chapter 7, al Qaeda contacts with Iran continued in ensuing years

  But what does this have to do with Obama insulting middle-America?

• 14. Gozer the Carpathian  |  April 12th, 2008 at 2:15 am

  -Percy

  Of course it has nothing to do with Obama, it’s just a redirection. The classic response.

  -Congressive

  No we’re not saying that there aren’t small towns in trouble. No we’re not saying people don’t cling to things when all seems lost. Though it does seem odd that he’d list Religion, guns, and racist/anit-imigrant stances all together. Don’t you?

• 15. Mark Noonan  |  April 12th, 2008 at 2:48 am

  Congressive,

  Clever way to try and change the subject, but as you can see, it didn’t work…though 1,000 points to you for at least coming on the thread…

• 16. Freedom1  |  April 12th, 2008 at 5:25 am

  Arctic Fox,

  I want to apologize to you. I was way too harsh with you in earlier threads. I’m sorry. I will endeavor to do better in the future. :)

  As regards to your question:

  “If a person clings to their guns, and their religion, but they are Muslim not Christian - is that a good or a bad thing?” - Arctic Fox

  Christian with a gun - “Love your enemy” - Jesus

  Muslim with a gun, Qur’an (9:123) - “O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness.”

  Who would you feel safer with holding the gun? The Muslim or the Christian?

  To answer your question straight out: Islam is an inherently violent, misogynistic and evil death cult that commands all of its followers to engage in continuous war with non-Muslims until Islam rules the entire world under Shari’a law.

  I seriously doubt Obama was refering to the Islamic religion in his remarks. The MSM would have been all over that type of “Islamophobic” remark. It seems more likely that Obama was referring to the Christian religion of “small town” America.

• 17. Freedom1  |  April 12th, 2008 at 5:37 am

  Hey Gozer! Long time no text! Howz it going? See any cool comets, or better yet UFO’s lately?

  Percy, great link! Sunnis and Shias have a long history of teaming up to kill infidels.

  NRO - “Iranian Entanglements: McCain was right the first time — Iran is helping al-Qaeda in Iraq.”
  http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=OGE0ZWE0MWVjMmI2YjI4NzI1OTg2YzZmMjJjNzMwOGY

  NRO - “It’s the Terrorism, Stupid: Fancy that…Iranian fighters in Iraq” By Michael Ledeen

  The single greatest distortion of reality in the war is that old chestnut about the profound hatred and total incompatibility between Sunnis and Shiites. The truth is that Sunnis and Shiites happily cooperate when it comes to killing Americans, Europeans, Jews, Christians, Suffis, Bahais, and anyone else who can be defined as an infidel and/or crusader. This has been going on for a very long time. In the early Seventies, for example, the (Shiite) Revolutionary Guards were trained in Lebanon by the (Sunni) Fatah of Yasser Arafat.

  http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=ZGE5NGY2YzVkMGRkZjhiOGEyY2RhNjdjZGQxYzg4NjQ

• 18. OperationChaos  |  April 12th, 2008 at 5:56 am

  Way to go, Broder–equate one who’s against ILLEGAL immigration with xenophobia. Same old misdirection, as usual…

• 19. Darva Conger  |  April 12th, 2008 at 11:12 am

  Obama is right.

  For years, the GOP ruthlessly used and exploited and profited from Christian evangelical faith like cheap third world labor. Meanwhile, the GOP gave away even more of the store to the giant corporate interests and their lobbyists and the wealthiest of their CEOs and shareholders.

  What have these hardworking folks received for believing your blather about how you and only you are the true guardians of their “midwestern values?”

  Their homes being foreclosed on by these same interests you champion so loftily, their incomes losing ground, prices for the most basic of necessities rising, their health care costs soaring and their insurance premiums skyrocketing, and their jobs moving overseas.

  We can only hope their faith and their values you so piously champion may be rewarded in the afterlife, because their faith in the GOP will continue to be betrayed at every turn under the 3rd Bush term led by McCain.

• 20. js  |  April 12th, 2008 at 11:24 am

  Quite a work of fiction there Darva.

• 21. Eric T  |  April 12th, 2008 at 8:40 pm

  Obama is trying to paint a picture of Large Chain stores destroying small local business that can’t compete with the buying power of large multinational corporations. Obama is talking about industries sending good paying jobs out the country by the thousands.

  These are decent subjects that a presidential candidate should address.

  This part here where he says-
  “And it’s not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy toward people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.”

  He makes it sound as if it is somehow a terrible thing to have religion in your life. Or, That family traditions like hunting, or enjoying a day of target shooting, is something that should be a crime.
  Then takes a stab at folks who may be proud of their culture and heritage. Then ends it with blame on Bush And Clinton policies.

  Obama is really optimistic if he thinks that his economic policies are so great that everyone will be so prosperous and wealthy that folks will give up their guns and religion to join Obama’s crusade for high taxes, gay marriage, abortion, global warming ect..

• 22. Sean  |  April 16th, 2008 at 9:19 am

  It is a pity that a Presidential candidate has insulted the ‘Small Town’.

  If you’re tired of waiting around for those super delegates to make a decision already, go to LobbyDelegates.com and push them to support Clinton or Obama

  If you haven’t done so yet, please write a message to each of your state’s superdelegates at http://www.lobbydelegates.com

  It takes a moment, but what’s a few minutes now worth to get Obama in office?!

  Sending a note to current Obama supporters lets them know it’s appreciated, sending a note to current Clinton supporters can hopefully sway them to change their vote to Obama, and sending a note to the uncommitted folks will hopefully sway them to vote for Obama. It’s that easy…

  Clinton Supporters

  YOU can certainly make Clinton win the nomination

  It takes a moment, but what’s a few minutes now worth to get Clinton in office?!

  Sending a note to current Clinton supporters lets them know it’s appreciated, sending a note to current Obama supporters can hopefully sway
  them to change their vote to Clinton, and sending a note to the uncommitted folks will hopefully sway them to vote for Clinton. It’s that easy…

  we’ll make it REALLY easy and include a list of names, addresses, and affiliations of superdelegates from each state including your state.