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Rather interesting that the Pope is snubbing Bush by failing to attend the White House dinner being held on his behalf.
Neither this Pope nor the previous Pope like Bush, both are/were strongly against Bush choosing to go to war in Iraq.
mark-edict….
the jovian jabbernowls only have one thing to say:
bless me father for i have sinned……
now how long has it been since our last confession?
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jerry | April 12th, 2008 at 4:15 pm
I hope when Benedict meets with the President this upcoming week he voices the Church’s position on torture. A practice it seems Bush approved. What a disgrace.
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Dennis | April 12th, 2008 at 5:23 pm
Mr. Bush spoke of “His Holiness” and “the Holy Father.” Not long ago it would have been surprising to hear an informed Protestant use such terms in reference to any mere man, even one of great religious influence and erudition. Such titles are reserved for God alone. Jesus emphatically taught his followers “Call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven” Matthew 23:9. It sounds like Mr. Bush is confused as to his own belief structure, and who he is actually receiving.
Secondly, Mr. Bush’s statement was needlessly convoluted that “moral relativism has a danger of undermining the capacity to have more hopeful and free societies.” Why didn’t he just say “it’s wrong to kill people”? Wouldn’t that have been a lot simpler?
Does Mr. Bush understand that moral relativism is what he was practicing when he tried to save the life of Terry Schiavo’s body after her brain was dead, yet authorized the execution of Karla Faye Tucker after her mind and body had been filled with the spirit of the living Christ? Or when he values the lives of America’s unborn more highly than the lives of civilians killed incidentally in his elective war with Iraq?
“It invigorates our soul to know that we have saved a baby that could be dying of a mosquito bite.” Leaving aside those babies killed by Mr. Bush’s war in Iraq, since he used the singular “soul” should we assume he was speaking of America’s collective soul? How can Mr. Bush be trusted to speak for our complex, many-faceted soul, if his sense of Mr. Putin’s solitary soul seems to have been so poorly informed?
Finally, Mark, as for your “the Judeo-Christian morality we thrive on,” which is it? The Judaism or the Christianity? They really are not the same, you know.
For authentic Christians, Jesus Christ is transcendent. It is irreverent, if not a violation of the commandment regarding taking the Lord’s name in vain, to insist on enmeshing Christianity with the very traditions Christ spent his entire ministry battling. The scribes and Pharisees, masters of Judaism, were not his allies but his adversaries. Your use of this term advances a contradiction, and only deepens the spiritual schizophrenia America suffers.
The Pope will pray for the redemption of Islamic terrorists when he visits the site of the September 11 attacks in New York next week.
The pontiff will call for terrorists to convert to Christianity, saying: “Turn to Your way of love those whose hearts and minds are consumed with hatred.
“God of understanding, overwhelmed by the magnitude of this tragedy, we seek your light and guidance”.
The prayer is likely to further incense the Muslim world, which has already attacked the Pope for publicly converting Magdi Allam, a journalist and one of Italy’s most high-profile Muslims, at Easter.
Osama bin Laden accused the Pope of trying to provoke “a new crusade” against Islam.
For those who have not yet discovered a belief in God and the Lord Jesus Christ, here’s a Christian sermon for you: (video), “Protecting Your Future” - Dr. Charles Stanley, First Baptist Church Atlanta, Georgia
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Mark Noonan | April 13th, 2008 at 10:13 pm
bagni,
Its been a while now - but my intent is pure; while I want very much to attend the sacrament of reconcilation, there are a couple steps I have to take prior to that to put myself fully in communion with the Catholic Church…the lost sheep strayed for a couple decades, and that doesn’t get put back together in a trice, ya know?
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the brain | April 14th, 2008 at 1:47 pm
Wright,
That is a very ignorant statement. Benedict never held any authority over the US bishops that facilitated moving abusive priests around, nor was he ever based in the US.
Moreover, while the Catholic Church did have a problem with priests, its overall rate of abuse is the lowest of all major religions, including other Christian, Jewish and Islamic denominations, and is far less then the US public school system and the United Nations Peacekeeping forces.
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1. 42 | April 12th, 2008 at 1:38 pm
Deleted - slanderous attacks.
2. John Ryan | April 12th, 2008 at 2:46 pm
Rather interesting that the Pope is snubbing Bush by failing to attend the White House dinner being held on his behalf.
Neither this Pope nor the previous Pope like Bush, both are/were strongly against Bush choosing to go to war in Iraq.
3. bagni | April 12th, 2008 at 3:20 pm
mark-edict….
the jovian jabbernowls only have one thing to say:
bless me father for i have sinned……
now how long has it been since our last confession?
4. jerry | April 12th, 2008 at 4:15 pm
I hope when Benedict meets with the President this upcoming week he voices the Church’s position on torture. A practice it seems Bush approved. What a disgrace.
5. Dennis | April 12th, 2008 at 5:23 pm
Mr. Bush spoke of “His Holiness” and “the Holy Father.” Not long ago it would have been surprising to hear an informed Protestant use such terms in reference to any mere man, even one of great religious influence and erudition. Such titles are reserved for God alone. Jesus emphatically taught his followers “Call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven” Matthew 23:9. It sounds like Mr. Bush is confused as to his own belief structure, and who he is actually receiving.
Secondly, Mr. Bush’s statement was needlessly convoluted that “moral relativism has a danger of undermining the capacity to have more hopeful and free societies.” Why didn’t he just say “it’s wrong to kill people”? Wouldn’t that have been a lot simpler?
Does Mr. Bush understand that moral relativism is what he was practicing when he tried to save the life of Terry Schiavo’s body after her brain was dead, yet authorized the execution of Karla Faye Tucker after her mind and body had been filled with the spirit of the living Christ? Or when he values the lives of America’s unborn more highly than the lives of civilians killed incidentally in his elective war with Iraq?
“It invigorates our soul to know that we have saved a baby that could be dying of a mosquito bite.” Leaving aside those babies killed by Mr. Bush’s war in Iraq, since he used the singular “soul” should we assume he was speaking of America’s collective soul? How can Mr. Bush be trusted to speak for our complex, many-faceted soul, if his sense of Mr. Putin’s solitary soul seems to have been so poorly informed?
Finally, Mark, as for your “the Judeo-Christian morality we thrive on,” which is it? The Judaism or the Christianity? They really are not the same, you know.
For authentic Christians, Jesus Christ is transcendent. It is irreverent, if not a violation of the commandment regarding taking the Lord’s name in vain, to insist on enmeshing Christianity with the very traditions Christ spent his entire ministry battling. The scribes and Pharisees, masters of Judaism, were not his allies but his adversaries. Your use of this term advances a contradiction, and only deepens the spiritual schizophrenia America suffers.
6. winnowhead | April 12th, 2008 at 9:26 pm
Speculate away… Pope to skip White House dinner.
7. Freedom1 | April 13th, 2008 at 5:24 am
Long live Pope Benedict XVI!!! WOO HOO!
Pope Will Pray Jihadis Convert to Christianity at Ground Zero -The Telegraph
For those who have not yet discovered a belief in God and the Lord Jesus Christ, here’s a Christian sermon for you: (video), “Protecting Your Future” - Dr. Charles Stanley, First Baptist Church Atlanta, Georgia
8. Mark Noonan | April 13th, 2008 at 10:13 pm
bagni,
Its been a while now - but my intent is pure; while I want very much to attend the sacrament of reconcilation, there are a couple steps I have to take prior to that to put myself fully in communion with the Catholic Church…the lost sheep strayed for a couple decades, and that doesn’t get put back together in a trice, ya know?
9. the brain | April 14th, 2008 at 1:47 pm
Wright,
That is a very ignorant statement. Benedict never held any authority over the US bishops that facilitated moving abusive priests around, nor was he ever based in the US.
Moreover, while the Catholic Church did have a problem with priests, its overall rate of abuse is the lowest of all major religions, including other Christian, Jewish and Islamic denominations, and is far less then the US public school system and the United Nations Peacekeeping forces.