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		<title>By: Smelly Cat</title>
		<link>http://blogsforvictory.com/2008/04/19/bitter-isnt-obamas-only-verbal-gaffe/#comment-63007</link>
		<dc:creator>Smelly Cat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 11:47:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama's Government Record Raises Questions
       Given what you know about Barack Obama why is anyone comfortable with having him driving us into our future? 
He is a tax and spend liberal. 
He supports affirmative action in colleges and government. 
He has been identified as having the most liberal Senate voting record. 
He believes in global warming. 
He wants to pull our troops out of Afghanistan and Iraq despite Pentagon advice to the contrary. 
He voted for biofuel without thinking long-term, which has raised futures markets and therefore food prices worldwide. 
He is on record as willing to raise your taxes. 
He bought land &#38; a home from his friend Tom Rezko who's under investigation for demanding kickbacks from companies wanting to do government business in IL.      

He is against sending 12,000,000 illegal aliens home and wants to reward them with a path to citizenship. 
He wants to push for a Jimmy Carter style windfall oil tax that is guaranteed, as in the past, to reduce US production and exploration.

      Barack Obama is unsafe at any speed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama&#8217;s Government Record Raises Questions<br />
       Given what you know about Barack Obama why is anyone comfortable with having him driving us into our future?<br />
He is a tax and spend liberal.<br />
He supports affirmative action in colleges and government.<br />
He has been identified as having the most liberal Senate voting record.<br />
He believes in global warming.<br />
He wants to pull our troops out of Afghanistan and Iraq despite Pentagon advice to the contrary.<br />
He voted for biofuel without thinking long-term, which has raised futures markets and therefore food prices worldwide.<br />
He is on record as willing to raise your taxes.<br />
He bought land &amp; a home from his friend Tom Rezko who&#8217;s under investigation for demanding kickbacks from companies wanting to do government business in IL.      </p>
<p>He is against sending 12,000,000 illegal aliens home and wants to reward them with a path to citizenship.<br />
He wants to push for a Jimmy Carter style windfall oil tax that is guaranteed, as in the past, to reduce US production and exploration.</p>
<p>      Barack Obama is unsafe at any speed.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Noonan</title>
		<link>http://blogsforvictory.com/2008/04/19/bitter-isnt-obamas-only-verbal-gaffe/#comment-43892</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Noonan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 05:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what,

Well, homosexual sex is a moral error along the lines of pornography - both are misuses of sexuality.

Be that as it may...

All other religions are absurd?  I wouldn't go that far - they are, of course, all incorrect to a greater or lesser degree.  One doesn't be a Christian by thinking that a different theology might have it more right, after all.  If I thought Hinduism, or what have you, was closer to Truth, then I'd be a Hindu...but I believe that Christianity is the most true religion, and so I am a Christian.

As for God being angry over someone who worshipped the wrong way - if it is a sincere error, I can't imagine a loving God rejecting such a person at Judgement.  While we Christians hold - per Christ's instruction - that no one comes to the Father except through Jesus, we acknowledge that a man who knew nothing of Jesus, or insufficient of him to accept him as Lord, can still come to the Father through Jesus if he lives a moral life in accordance with the truth written on all human hearts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what,</p>
<p>Well, homosexual sex is a moral error along the lines of pornography - both are misuses of sexuality.</p>
<p>Be that as it may&#8230;</p>
<p>All other religions are absurd?  I wouldn&#8217;t go that far - they are, of course, all incorrect to a greater or lesser degree.  One doesn&#8217;t be a Christian by thinking that a different theology might have it more right, after all.  If I thought Hinduism, or what have you, was closer to Truth, then I&#8217;d be a Hindu&#8230;but I believe that Christianity is the most true religion, and so I am a Christian.</p>
<p>As for God being angry over someone who worshipped the wrong way - if it is a sincere error, I can&#8217;t imagine a loving God rejecting such a person at Judgement.  While we Christians hold - per Christ&#8217;s instruction - that no one comes to the Father except through Jesus, we acknowledge that a man who knew nothing of Jesus, or insufficient of him to accept him as Lord, can still come to the Father through Jesus if he lives a moral life in accordance with the truth written on all human hearts.</p>
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		<title>By: Ang'ki Hoor I</title>
		<link>http://blogsforvictory.com/2008/04/19/bitter-isnt-obamas-only-verbal-gaffe/#comment-43728</link>
		<dc:creator>Ang'ki Hoor I</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 15:32:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>65. What?  &#124;  April 21st, 2008 at 2:21 am


I am reticent about dealing with matters that invove the Living, but if I am allowed I would like to point out that "social pathology" is defined as a factor that contributes to a grater social ill. So Mr Noonan points to homosexuality as a symptom not as the disease itself. This disease to Mr Noonan is the combinination of all things "Liberal" and anything outside of his religious world view that offends his senses. 

And for a man like Mr Noonan who has so much invested in the correctness of his faith to even consider that his Deity may not exist is perceived as beyond the pale for a very simple reason-- to give such ideas creedence means that his entire life has been a waste of time and has had no value. It is an efficient system because there is no means by which, ever it is hoped by the Living to apply Occam's razor or the keen eye of observation to give a definitive answer. Such faith as the type held by Noonan is the perfect hedge as long as on is certain that all who think and act like you are "saved" and all Others are "lost."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>65. What?  |  April 21st, 2008 at 2:21 am</p>
<p>I am reticent about dealing with matters that invove the Living, but if I am allowed I would like to point out that &#8220;social pathology&#8221; is defined as a factor that contributes to a grater social ill. So Mr Noonan points to homosexuality as a symptom not as the disease itself. This disease to Mr Noonan is the combinination of all things &#8220;Liberal&#8221; and anything outside of his religious world view that offends his senses. </p>
<p>And for a man like Mr Noonan who has so much invested in the correctness of his faith to even consider that his Deity may not exist is perceived as beyond the pale for a very simple reason&#8211; to give such ideas creedence means that his entire life has been a waste of time and has had no value. It is an efficient system because there is no means by which, ever it is hoped by the Living to apply Occam&#8217;s razor or the keen eye of observation to give a definitive answer. Such faith as the type held by Noonan is the perfect hedge as long as on is certain that all who think and act like you are &#8220;saved&#8221; and all Others are &#8220;lost.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: What?</title>
		<link>http://blogsforvictory.com/2008/04/19/bitter-isnt-obamas-only-verbal-gaffe/#comment-43647</link>
		<dc:creator>What?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 06:21:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark writes:
"To say that Jesus was just another moral teacher is absurd"

So Mark just called every other religion on the planet absurd. Nicely done. 

Mark writes:
"There is nothing quite like it in all of recorded history - and its effect has been stunning. To this day, people surrender all they have and dedicate themselves to the selfless service of complete strangers. To this day people turn in prayer to Jesus, and are comforted in their tribulations. To this day, people will die rather than deny that Chris is their saviour."

Um yeah,
Maybe instead of just talking about Tibet, you should study it. Seems like Buddhists are pretty devout, too.  

What would it matter if your belief in Christianity was misplaced? 
Well, the true deity would be pretty upset you have been worshipping someone else your whole life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark writes:<br />
&#8220;To say that Jesus was just another moral teacher is absurd&#8221;</p>
<p>So Mark just called every other religion on the planet absurd. Nicely done. </p>
<p>Mark writes:<br />
&#8220;There is nothing quite like it in all of recorded history - and its effect has been stunning. To this day, people surrender all they have and dedicate themselves to the selfless service of complete strangers. To this day people turn in prayer to Jesus, and are comforted in their tribulations. To this day, people will die rather than deny that Chris is their saviour.&#8221;</p>
<p>Um yeah,<br />
Maybe instead of just talking about Tibet, you should study it. Seems like Buddhists are pretty devout, too.  </p>
<p>What would it matter if your belief in Christianity was misplaced?<br />
Well, the true deity would be pretty upset you have been worshipping someone else your whole life.</p>
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		<title>By: What?</title>
		<link>http://blogsforvictory.com/2008/04/19/bitter-isnt-obamas-only-verbal-gaffe/#comment-43643</link>
		<dc:creator>What?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 06:12:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark writes
"Social pathology, not social disease. In this meaning: “any deviation from a healthy, normal, or efficient condition”. You’re reading into my comment an insult when none was made, or even remotely intended."

Mark, how is that not an insult? If I called you a social pathology, you would consider it a compliment? Also you made a mistake to pair it with pornography. It shows your true intent since you consider pornography a bane on society that should be done away with. 

You accuse Obama of twisting words. Calling the kettle black, aren't we?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark writes<br />
&#8220;Social pathology, not social disease. In this meaning: “any deviation from a healthy, normal, or efficient condition”. You’re reading into my comment an insult when none was made, or even remotely intended.&#8221;</p>
<p>Mark, how is that not an insult? If I called you a social pathology, you would consider it a compliment? Also you made a mistake to pair it with pornography. It shows your true intent since you consider pornography a bane on society that should be done away with. </p>
<p>You accuse Obama of twisting words. Calling the kettle black, aren&#8217;t we?</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Noonan</title>
		<link>http://blogsforvictory.com/2008/04/19/bitter-isnt-obamas-only-verbal-gaffe/#comment-43638</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Noonan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 05:19:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what,

Social pathology, not social disease.  In this meaning:  "any deviation from a healthy, normal, or efficient condition".  You're reading into my comment an insult when none was made, or even remotely intended.

Anyways...

What if my faith in Jesus is misplaced?  What would it matter? 

At any rate, my faith is not misplaced - once upon a time, a man came along and told people who had sinned that their sins were forgiven by God...such a man is either a lunatic, or he's Lord.  

To say that Jesus was just another moral teacher is absurd - his teaching is only the sort of teaching which God would provide; no mere man would think of it...pray for those who abuse you?  Are you kidding?  Love your enemies?  Why should anyone do that?  If anyone is suing you, go ahead and give him what he wants?  Absurd!  But it all makes perfect sense - it makes sense in a world created by God, who wants everyone to come to Him, and be blessed forever.

There is nothing quite like it in all of recorded history - and its effect has been stunning.  To this day, people surrender all they have and dedicate themselves to the selfless service of complete strangers.  To this day people turn in prayer to Jesus, and are comforted in their tribulations.  To this day, people will die rather than deny that Chris is their saviour. 

No, what, this Jesus is not just another man,a nd faith in him is not misplaced.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what,</p>
<p>Social pathology, not social disease.  In this meaning:  &#8220;any deviation from a healthy, normal, or efficient condition&#8221;.  You&#8217;re reading into my comment an insult when none was made, or even remotely intended.</p>
<p>Anyways&#8230;</p>
<p>What if my faith in Jesus is misplaced?  What would it matter? </p>
<p>At any rate, my faith is not misplaced - once upon a time, a man came along and told people who had sinned that their sins were forgiven by God&#8230;such a man is either a lunatic, or he&#8217;s Lord.  </p>
<p>To say that Jesus was just another moral teacher is absurd - his teaching is only the sort of teaching which God would provide; no mere man would think of it&#8230;pray for those who abuse you?  Are you kidding?  Love your enemies?  Why should anyone do that?  If anyone is suing you, go ahead and give him what he wants?  Absurd!  But it all makes perfect sense - it makes sense in a world created by God, who wants everyone to come to Him, and be blessed forever.</p>
<p>There is nothing quite like it in all of recorded history - and its effect has been stunning.  To this day, people surrender all they have and dedicate themselves to the selfless service of complete strangers.  To this day people turn in prayer to Jesus, and are comforted in their tribulations.  To this day, people will die rather than deny that Chris is their saviour. </p>
<p>No, what, this Jesus is not just another man,a nd faith in him is not misplaced.</p>
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		<title>By: What?</title>
		<link>http://blogsforvictory.com/2008/04/19/bitter-isnt-obamas-only-verbal-gaffe/#comment-43597</link>
		<dc:creator>What?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 01:48:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark Noonan writes,
"I pray for all my friends - and even you - to turn towards God and seek his love, but in the grand scheme of things, homosexual sex rates a lot lower in the realm of social pathologies than, say, the systemic attack on the family by the State, or the pervasive pornography and violence in our popular culture"

Comment 25: Multi Culti Pretzel</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark Noonan writes,<br />
&#8220;I pray for all my friends - and even you - to turn towards God and seek his love, but in the grand scheme of things, homosexual sex rates a lot lower in the realm of social pathologies than, say, the systemic attack on the family by the State, or the pervasive pornography and violence in our popular culture&#8221;</p>
<p>Comment 25: Multi Culti Pretzel</p>
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		<title>By: What?</title>
		<link>http://blogsforvictory.com/2008/04/19/bitter-isnt-obamas-only-verbal-gaffe/#comment-43594</link>
		<dc:creator>What?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 01:45:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark writes, 
Jeremiah’s salvation (and yours, if you so wish) is available for the asking…in the end, all you have to do is ask for it, even if you ask for it just a minute before you go.

Okay, I'll direct the question at you, too.
What if it isn't? What if you are completely wrong about your entire faith? Everything you learned was untrue. People who practice Wicca actually were right all along. 

Also, are you going to admit you called homosexuality a social disease and apoligise to me?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark writes,<br />
Jeremiah’s salvation (and yours, if you so wish) is available for the asking…in the end, all you have to do is ask for it, even if you ask for it just a minute before you go.</p>
<p>Okay, I&#8217;ll direct the question at you, too.<br />
What if it isn&#8217;t? What if you are completely wrong about your entire faith? Everything you learned was untrue. People who practice Wicca actually were right all along. </p>
<p>Also, are you going to admit you called homosexuality a social disease and apoligise to me?</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Noonan</title>
		<link>http://blogsforvictory.com/2008/04/19/bitter-isnt-obamas-only-verbal-gaffe/#comment-43587</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Noonan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 00:58:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what,

Incorrect - Jeremiah's salvation (and yours, if you so wish) is available for the asking...in the end, all you have to do is ask for it, even if you ask for it just a minute before you go.

What Jeremiah, and the rest of the Christians, are trying to do is live out their faith...faith without works is a dead thing, but no amount of works - in and of themselves - will get a person into heaven.  

It isn't a deal, you see?  Its a gift - a gift freely given by a God who didn't need to give it, and a gift no human being can earn.  God isn't up there with a checklist going, "Ok, what had 1,957,412 good works, and 1,957,411 sins...so, he's in!"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what,</p>
<p>Incorrect - Jeremiah&#8217;s salvation (and yours, if you so wish) is available for the asking&#8230;in the end, all you have to do is ask for it, even if you ask for it just a minute before you go.</p>
<p>What Jeremiah, and the rest of the Christians, are trying to do is live out their faith&#8230;faith without works is a dead thing, but no amount of works - in and of themselves - will get a person into heaven.  </p>
<p>It isn&#8217;t a deal, you see?  Its a gift - a gift freely given by a God who didn&#8217;t need to give it, and a gift no human being can earn.  God isn&#8217;t up there with a checklist going, &#8220;Ok, what had 1,957,412 good works, and 1,957,411 sins&#8230;so, he&#8217;s in!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: What?</title>
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		<dc:creator>What?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 00:40:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But Former Marine,
 He is not looking to live clean for the hell of it. He is, quite selfishly, looking how to get into heaven.
By following the wrong path he will have failed. 

He also would have spent his whole life in a basement worshipping a false god. That is a pretty terrible fate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But Former Marine,<br />
 He is not looking to live clean for the hell of it. He is, quite selfishly, looking how to get into heaven.<br />
By following the wrong path he will have failed. </p>
<p>He also would have spent his whole life in a basement worshipping a false god. That is a pretty terrible fate.</p>
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