Political Correctness MUST Come to an End
April 21st, 2008 at 01:33am Mark Noonan
Just too many cases like this one:
Authorities in Florida say a man awaiting trial for murder beat and raped a female corrections officer in a jail library.
Sheriff John Rutherford says a 26-year-old inmate used a makeshift knife Thursday morning to overpower the officer in the Duval County jail library in Jacksonville.
He says the officer was beaten but not stabbed. She was taken to a hospital, but her condition was not released.
Rutherford says the inmate was taken into custody without resistance.
The man is awaiting trial on charges including murder, arson and armed robbery.
Guarding men awaiting trial for murder is not a task for women - unless you can find an extraordinarily strong woman. As far as most women go, however, most men can overpower them. But, we have women guarding such, because someone along the line decided that men and women are not just equal in rights, but the same in all respects…and so, crazed inmates are left in the care of guards who cannot really guard them.
Women should guard women, men should guard men - and there should never, ever be a circumstance where one guard is alone with an unshackled prisoner. This is just common sense - and I’ll bet just about any amount that nothing will be done…women will continue to guard men they can’t overpower, and from time to time these guards will pay heavily for our adherence to a stupid view of the sexes.
Entry Filed under: Popular Culture, Social Issues
24 Comments
1. Diana Powe | April 21st, 2008 at 2:10 am
Mark,
Even by your standards, this is some extraordinarily foolish stuff. Firstly, your facts are wrong. The officer in question wasn’t guarding the offender:
Secondly, if your “logic” was actually meaningful then plainly police officers and guards should always be over six feet tall, under the age of 40 and be highly muscular. Most police officers assaulted and killed are assaulted and killed by male offenders. This would mean that women could never be police officers. As a matter of fact, since there are female police officers and have been since the mid-1970s, your logic must show that female officers are killed at higher rates than male officers. For instance, in 2006, 48 law enforcement officers were killed in the line of duty in the United States. Males accounted for 88.2 percent of all full-time sworn law enforcement officers in 2006. So, we would expect that at least 5 of the officers killed were female. The actual number? Three.
2. Diana Powe | April 21st, 2008 at 2:17 am
But, hey, Mark. Thanks for insulting the professional integrity and career choices of all the women who put on uniforms every day and take care of the streets for you.
3. Robert | April 21st, 2008 at 2:26 am
Hmmm, Mark - I am sure there are women trained in martial arts and hand to hand combat, maybe from a military background, who are police officers.
I am sure that they might be able to kick your butt.
Also, you are so pro-military and claim to support the troops so much so that you Conservatives call Liberals cowards and traitors if they question the war and the military.
What about all the women in the military that are dying for our freedom. Should they not be in the armed forces, hmm?
You owe your life and freedom to some of these women. Maybe you should pay them a little respect.
But, oh yeah, I forgot, only Liberals insult the men AND WOMEN in the military, huh?
4. Mark Noonan | April 21st, 2008 at 2:28 am
Diana,
I’m sure that will make her feel better about being beaten and raped…you know, the fact that she wasn’t actually told off as a guard to that particular prisoner. That just makes it all frickin’ better, I’m sure…
Do you want to know why I never even considered law enforcement as a career? Because waaay back when, you had to be at least 5′ 9” to be a cop…I’m 5′ 7″. Why a height requirement? Because logic dictated that a police officer should be a rather imposing physical presence - its a deterrent effect, and if deterrence fails then the cop should be able to swiftly deal with the situation, preferrably without shooting the suspect, or using a taser which fairly often results in the death of the target.
The only reason there are female police today is because the physical standards for being a police officer were lowered to allow women a chance to become a police officer…which is a stupid thing to do, as evidence not just by this rape, but by all the other cases of a male prisoner easily overpowering a female police or corrections officer. People are dead today because of a stupid, feminist theory.
Sorry, not buying it anymore - trash the whole thing. Return to the physical standards of the past, and if a woman can meet them, then she can be a cop…if not, find something else to do for a living.
5. Mark Noonan | April 21st, 2008 at 2:30 am
Robert,
How many women are there in a platoon of Marines?
Zero.
Why?
Because they can’t do the job - not at the level required.
My sister was in the Navy for 8 years - I have plenty of respect for women who are willing to sacrifice for our nation…but that doesn’t require me to believe nonsense.
Its not a question of whether a woman trained in martial arts can kick my ass - but can she kick the ass of a 270 pound male martial arts expert?
6. Robert | April 21st, 2008 at 2:52 am
Mark, that is why ALL police officers should be able to work in groups. I know that many people who are hopped up on all kinds of drugs can seem invincible, even to SEVERAL large male cops.
A man OR woman who is 5′4″ and on angeldust can many times easily overpower several people, men that are 6′8″ even. These crazed people can even take several bullets and keep coming. I have heard of this happening.
Do you think that a police force of ONLY beefy men could handle this any better than a mixed police force of men and women.
Also, women, even if they are small, sometimes have faster reflexes and more agility and speed than your hypothetical 270 pound man.
The idea is to OUTTHINK your opponent, Mark. Not always to overpower them. If a women is quick enough and trained in the ability to use an opponent’s size as a DISADVANTAGE to them, she might welll be able to do the job.
The issue here is not about sheer brute size and strength. It is about proper training and using the mind and body in tandem to beat someone at their own game.
Sometimes the phrase “the bigger they are, the harder they fall” is true, Mark.
It is not about women vs. men, Mark. It is about ALL police officers, military service people, mental hospital workers, group home workers, etc. to have proper training to deal with the worst of situations. If someone can THINK faster than the enemy, they can be able to deal with the situation quickly and totally, and avoid many unpleasant endings….
7. OperationChaos | April 21st, 2008 at 5:31 am
Male employees in male prisons, female employees in female prisons, period.
This PC garbage is just that–garbage. Those who buy into it are wimps. Especially the men who buy into it.
8. Christian Wright | April 21st, 2008 at 7:39 am
I worked in Cook Country Jail as a deputy sheriff before I became a police officer.
Men get raped by men too. Gender does not make the difference.
9. js | April 21st, 2008 at 8:57 am
i never met a woman airborne ranger…hmmm…you might have something there mark…i doubt they would wanna jump outta perfectly good airplanes with full combat gear…really!!
10. Tallman | April 21st, 2008 at 11:17 am
Aaahhhhh!!!
It all makes sense now…
5′ 7″? It’s no wonder…”little man’s syndrome”!
Napoleon complex.
Bhhuuuuhaaaahhaa!
Seriously. Thanks for the honesty. But I still can’t help laughing my arse off.
Go figure. I shouda known.
11. Rich | April 21st, 2008 at 11:43 am
“But, hey, Mark. Thanks for insulting the professional integrity and career choices of all the women who put on uniforms every day and take care of the streets for you”
My roommate is a Chicago cop and we have had this discussion about female officers. He has stated that women cops (and his girlfriend is a female officer) are sometimes better at defusing potential situations before they develop. However, he has also stated that when dangerous things happen, he never wants the female cops to show up because they are not physically strong enough to mix it up in a melee, and are not physically intimidating enough for many situations (one particular cops usually maces everyone in the tussle, including the other cops. I always tell my roommate she just doesn’t like him.) He says this is an opinion a majority of police officers have. Misogynistic or common sense? Who knows.
Also, my aunt is a county sheriff’s deputy on courthouse security. She is a fifty five year old grandmother that is five foot two and weighs approximately one hundred and fifteen pounds. If a criminal wanted her weapon in the courthouse, he could get it. I know, there are plenty of male officers probably in the same category, I’m just talking of personal experience.
As far as female officers not dieing as often as the male officers, maybe they are smart enough to do more desk work, patrol nicer neighborhoods, or like I mentioned earlier, able to defuse some situations better. I would like to see some statistics on injuries as those undoubtably happen more often than deaths.
Females working in male prisons is simply retarded though. Talk about dangling meat in front of the lion’s cage.
12. GOP4ME | April 21st, 2008 at 2:03 pm
Tallman,
Well another fine post from an “enlightened and progressive” liberal.
More like the rantings of a seditious knuckledragger…
13. Diana Powe | April 21st, 2008 at 2:13 pm
Mark,
Well, if there were any doubt before, you’ve now demonstrated your complete willingness to post on topics that you simply know nothing about. In jumping to your unsupportable conclusion, you not only got the facts of the case you used as evidence wrong, but you also conveniently assumed facts that are not even in evidence. Where in the story did it give you any information about the relative sizes or physical abilities of the victim officer and the offender? Also, you completely ignored the fact that the offender was armed with an edged weapon and the victim officer was only armed with pepper spray.
Your half-baked notion that big, hulking officers are safer has no foundation in the real world. As a for instance, the first murder of a police officer captured on in-car video was Nacogdoches County (TX) Constable Darrell Lunsford who was killed on January 23, 1991 during a traffic stop of a vehicle carrying 31 pounds of marijuana. Constable Lunsford was a very large and powerfully built man who was noted for his ability to hold a transmission in place while he bolted it to an engine in his previous career as an auto technician. Despite that, he was overpowered by three much smaller Hispanic suspects who killed him with his own handgun.
You may see a small part of the fatal encounter here: http://www.lineofduty.com/component/page,shop.product_details/category_id,4/flypage,shop.flypage/product_id,185/option,com_virtuemart/Itemid,82/index.php?page=shop.product_details&category_id=4&flypage=shop.flypage&product_id=185&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=82&vmcchk=1
Feel free to spend some time at the Officer Down Memorial Page (http://www.odmp.org/) and see how many male police officers have died under what circumstances.
Of course, if your inane idea of returning to the “good old days” of hulking officers was implemented it would be a real boon to the police and sheriff’s agencies who can’t get enough qualified (including pre-employment physical agility tests which routinely screen out both males and females) applicants now.
Stick to talking about politics, Mark. You know as much about that as anyone with an opinion.
Finally, for those who have the incorrect idea that prisons and county jails have co-ed staffing, the fact that prisoners have to be searched regularly in those facilities means that they are staffed consistent with the sex of the inmates.
14. OhioOrrin | April 21st, 2008 at 2:54 pm
diana - “facts are stupid things” Ronald Reagan.
so there.
15. Diana Powe | April 21st, 2008 at 5:24 pm
Besides employing faulty logic, Mark has decided to parrot the “killer Taser ™” line pushed by commenters like the otherwise estimable Pam Spaulding of Pam’s House Blend: http://www.pamshouseblend.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=4820
There’s no particular reason for actual science, such as a study conducted by six researchers of the Department of Emergency Medicine, USC San Diego Medical Center reported in the January 2008 issue of the American Journal of Emergency Medicine, to get in the way of an opinion, after all:
Unfortunately for the uninformed and inexperienced commentators, the realities of police use of force are far more complex than the grinding of their particular axes allow for.
The fact is that, unfortunately, people who fight the police injure officers and are injured each and every day. Officers and suspects also sometimes die during these encounters. This regrettable fact has been true from the first time a law officer confronted a suspect that he intended to arrest.
The only way to end a suspect’s resistance is to physically disable/control them so that they can no longer fight or gain voluntary compliance through the application of pain. Any technique that is hands-on dramatically increases the likelihood that either the officer and/or the suspect will be injured or killed. While not a panacea, electroshock devices such as the Taser ™ have saved many lives and dramatically reduced the likelihood of injuries when people have decided to fight the police.
16. Mark Noonan | April 22nd, 2008 at 1:38 am
Diana,
We just has ANOTHER cornorer’s inquest regarding a man who died after being tasered…sure, they’re safe; safer than a gun, and that is a good thing, but not as safe as not using them.
As for you example - it took three men to take down the one cop…I’m referring to the more common one on one where we hear of a female officer being overpowered.
Face it, Diana, you are just slavishly devoted to the feminist ideology on this - logic and common sense are entirely on my side. Most men can easily overpower most women - period, end of story. You know it; I know it; everyone knows it - you just insist on denying this reality because you’re deathly afraid of having your worldview questioned.
There was no way that a woman - of any sort - should have been in the same room with an unshakled man who was set to be on trial for murder…to do such a thing is the acme of idiocy.
17. Diana Powe | April 22nd, 2008 at 9:48 am
Mark,
Yes, I’m “slavishly devoted to the feminist ideology” of 30 years of actual experience as a uniformed police officer. That’s all it is, just ideology. Not like you. I mean, after all, you’ve stayed away from actual experience in order to give you the loftier plane of anti-feminist ideology to analyze from.
Did you spend any time at the Officer Down Memorial Page or would inconvenient facts get in the way of your world view? Let’s see, the City of Dallas, for example, has a current population of over 1.2 million. In its 127 year history, the Dallas Police Department has lost 87 officers in the line of duty. Of those 87, one was a female officer, Lisa Sandel, who died on January 13, 1989. What was the cause of her death? Her partner, a male officer, lost control of their squad car during a pursuit and a pickup truck crashed into the passenger door where Officer Sandel was seated. I guess she was “overpowered” by a couple of thousand pounds of metal smashing into her at a closing speed of something on the order of 100 miles per hour. Damn that feminist ideology.
Do bullets count as “being overpowered” in your bubble, Mark? So, if a female officer is killed by gunfire that provides evidence for your thesis? I notice that you didn’t even address the reality that you got exposed for getting facts wrong, assuming facts you don’t know and not even addressing the edged weapon that the offender had. However, none of that matters because Mark knows that it was just a case of a “male overpowering a female”.
Talk about blinded by ideology. Wow.
It’s nice to see that you share a point of view with a liberal like Pam Spaulding. Good for you, Mark. Both of you can avoid actual experience in order to explain to the rest of us about what a weapon like the Taser ™ does or doesn’t do.
So, you “has (sic) ANOTHER cornorer’s (sic) inquest regarding a man who died after being tasered”? What was the cause of death, Mark? Did the man die from being shocked with a Taser ™? What was his physical condition prior to confronting the police? Did he have any drugs like cocaine in his system? Did he have any pre-existing medical conditions? Is there any chance that he might have died in a hands-on struggle with the police? Have you heard of the logical fallacy of post hoc ergo propter hoc?
Don’t let a lack of actual experience or data get in the way of making pronouncements about how an electroshock weapon is “not as safe as not using them.” How many people who fight the police die without a Taser ™ being used, Mark? Got any data? Got any experience? No, just theories and an ax to grind.
Don’t worry, we understand where you’re coming from.
18. Robert | April 22nd, 2008 at 11:22 am
“Face it, Diana, you are just slavishly devoted to the feminist ideology on this - logic and common sense are entirely on my side. Most men can easily overpower most women - period, end of story. You know it; I know it; everyone knows it - you just insist on denying this reality because you’re deathly afraid of having your worldview questioned.” - Mark Noonan
Mark, you are a shame and a coward.
Diana apparantly WAS a cop, and yet you insult her.
Mark, face it, you are a CONCEITED and ARROGANT ass and you show it in every post you make on this blog.
Any time anything interferes with YOUR worldview, you just blame it on the Liberals.
Diana has more courage than you EVER could.
Go ahead Mark, keep hiding behind your blogs and your computer and you book deal: a book that only promotes your arrogance. I hope you treat people better in real life and actually have the courage to do good for others rather than just act like you are better than them.
You don’t have any right to insult Diana if you have not lived in her shoes.
Maybe you were in the Navy, but that doesn’t make you a hero. Your ACTIONS make you a hero. From the sound of it, Diana has done FAR more heroic things in her life than you. Besides, she has 30 years of experience in a dangerous job where you have only four.
Mark, GROW UP!!!!! Stop being a baby and be a real hero.
And STOP HATING LIBERALS!!!!!!!!
P.S. If you delete this post for being off-topic or some other nonsense or refuse to post it, that is fine. The only person who I care sees it is you anyway. You need to think long and hard about your lot in life, Mark.
Acting like you are better than others and that you know it all, while insulting those who have seen and done more than you is a sin of pride that only God can help you with.
Mark, START ACTING LIKE A CHRISTIAN, instead of an ass!!!!!!!
19. Nate | April 22nd, 2008 at 2:05 pm
i googled the story before i read the comments. i found the additional information that discredited mark’s post on the second link i looked at.
this is sloppy, misleading writing — and after that it’s merely opinion as stated several times above.
based on this and other such examples of poor writing, fact-checking, etc. the book is likely as poorly written and fact-checked.
can’t imagine anyone can take this blog seriously given such gaffes.
20. FmrMarine | April 22nd, 2008 at 7:03 pm
robt
>>>>woman who is 5′4″ and on angeldust can many times easily overpower several people, men that are 6′8″ even. <<<
PUT down the pipe;
you have watched WAAAYYYYYYY to much TV, and hollywood movies.
21. FmrMarine | April 22nd, 2008 at 7:04 pm
nate
>>>can’t imagine anyone can take this blog seriously given such gaffes.<<<<
UMMMM OKAY………AMF !
22. FmrMarine | April 22nd, 2008 at 7:07 pm
Robt;
>>>Diana apparantly WAS a cop, and yet you insult her.<<<
BIG FREEKING DEAL……..a lesbian AA cop, WOW is THAT impressive!
(”not that there is anything wrong with that”)
23. Tractatus | April 22nd, 2008 at 8:06 pm
Deleted - mindless insults.
24. Tractatus | April 23rd, 2008 at 11:02 am
Yeah, it sure is a “mindless insult” to point out that you can’t even follow your own professed code for learning from those with greater knowledge than you.
Brave Sir Noonan ran away. What a shocker.