Gore, ‘08? Part III
April 24th, 2008 at 03:52am Mark Noonan
I wonder how many super delegates are starting to think along these lines?
Therefore, if the Democrats want to have their best chance to win an election in November that six months ago it looked like they couldn’t lose, they may have only one option at this point: they can turn to Al Gore.
In truth, Gore would be a stronger candidate in November than the two front-runners. He knows what it’s like to run in a tough presidential campaign, which, as we’re finding out with Obama, is a huge advantage. He is, after all, a Nobel Prize winner; he has the advantage of now running from outside Washington even though he’s as experienced as John McCain; and he might be able to pick off a Southern state or two. He’s already won once - with an asterisk. And he could put the electoral focus back on the economy and the Republican record of the past eight years - which it will rarely be as long as Clinton or Obama is the nominee.
Sure, Gore’s entry would obviously not be greeted with waves of enthusiasm by Obama supporters. Still, he is quite popular with one of the Illinois senator’s principal constituencies: the young.
If Obama is to be denied the Democratic nomination, it might be that the only way to secure their support for the Democratic nominee is to have it be someone other than Hillary - there is much bad blood between the Hillary and Obama camps, and the selection of either one of them will dispirit a large section of the Democratic electorate. Democrats, in short, need someone that all Democrats can agree on - and Al Gore might well be their man.
That Al Gore has plenty of his own flaws is not the point - he is neither Hillary nor Obama, has offended no one in the Democratic ranks in years, is felt by the Democratic electorate to have been cheated in 2000, is considered an intellectual titan due to his global warming documentary and Nobel Prize and, most importantly, electing Gore to replace Bush would mean a lot to a party determined to run against President Bush in 2008 (out here in Nevada we’ve already got ads running tying Republican congressmen to President Bush). And, in the end, Gore might be the most electable Democrat in 2008 - he’s almost certain to win nearly all the States he won in 2000, and would have an even money shot of poaching a State or two from the GOP ranks.
It’ll only happen if this goes to the floor of the convention - if neither Democrat in the race can be forced out before the conven tion, then it will come down a floor fight, and in can stride Al Gore to save the day, as it were. It may get very interesting in the 2008 race.
Entry Filed under: Campaign 2008, Democrats
69 Comments
1. OperationChaos | April 24th, 2008 at 5:43 am
“HE BETRAYED THIS COUNTRY! HE.PLAYED.ON.OUR.FEARS!!!”
Gore is a liar and a hypocrite. He’ll fit right in with the Democrat electorate.
The Democrat party embraces liars, cheaters, and hypocrites…
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3. Christian Wright | April 24th, 2008 at 6:49 am
Gore is not interested, but maybe Edwards.
4. hermie | April 24th, 2008 at 7:33 am
Gore has too much to give up to run for President again.
He’d have to disclose and give up his multi-billion dollar carbon trading scams, and he’d have to get down from his unassailable pulpit of the ‘Church of Global Warming’ … er, I mean ‘Climate Change’, and have to muck around with those lesser beings in Congress.
5. js | April 24th, 2008 at 8:11 am
once a fraud, always a fraud, i mean, look at carter!!
6. js | April 24th, 2008 at 8:13 am
Matthew 7:15-20 15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. 16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? 17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. 19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. 20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
7. Joe | April 24th, 2008 at 9:06 am
You people are way too obsessed with Al Gore.
There ain’t a chance in hell he will “stride in and take the nomination”. That is just in your fantasy. You would love that so you can beat up on him. Look at the hatred spewing from the comments so far.
This is “Part III” of Gore ‘08. This on a guy that isn’t running, has said he isn’t going to run and hasn’t done anything to make him look like he is running. That should be a hint.
I guess Obama hasn’t been seen talking with kicking a puppy lately so this is what ya got.
8. neocon | April 24th, 2008 at 9:49 am
I am enjoying watching the train wreck that is the Democrat Primary.
9. Zach | April 24th, 2008 at 11:07 am
“This is “Part III” of Gore ‘08. This on a guy that isn’t running, has said he isn’t going to run and hasn’t done anything to make him look like he is running. That should be a hint.”
I agree with you Joe. This seems to be a waste of time.
10. SEW | April 24th, 2008 at 11:20 am
“these people are delirious, i just laugh sometimes when you read their dogmatic ignorant posts about someone who isnt even running….hahaha..too funny.”
Joe, Sunny and DP rarely post without ranting about W….hahaha..too funny.
11. kimberly4victory | April 24th, 2008 at 11:49 am
Although Gore would like nothing more than to be POTUS, I can’t see him accepting the nomination. Besides, Obama fanatics would go absolutely bezerk!
I agree, neocon, the dem primary is a train wreck. I hope it keeps chugging along! Toot. Toot.
Reminder to all: do not feed the ignorant troll
12. js | April 24th, 2008 at 12:06 pm
oh cmon sam, if someone like you is being an idiot, its not really a personnal attack when you call them an idiot, its just telling the truth…
its just that you never clued in on reality
13. Joe | April 24th, 2008 at 12:10 pm
k4v, neocon and everyone…
Isn’t this what democracy is though? Where is it written that the nomination needs to be over after the first dozen primaries?
I’ll admit that I would like this thing over as much as anybody and I, for one, am happy with either candidate. I think by election day most Dems will feel the same way even if they are somewhat divided right now.
I don’t want to see them tear each other down, but for better or for worse, after 2000, that is what a campaign is.
This whole right-wing Gore obsession is kind of crazy.
14. kimberly4victory | April 24th, 2008 at 12:12 pm
Gore is planning a sequel to an inconvenient lie. Must want another oscar and peace prize for his bookshelf.
I think I heard some whining from the ignorant troll but I choose to ignore the moron.
15. kimberly4victory | April 24th, 2008 at 12:15 pm
So, Joe, how do you feel about major dem players asking/demanding Hillary step out of the race? How about Screamin’ Dean demanding the Super Delegates to choose NOW? Let the campaign continue!
16. Zach | April 24th, 2008 at 12:26 pm
Haven’t you called our armed forces “mercenaries”?
That doesnt count as personal attacks to you sam?
17. js | April 24th, 2008 at 12:32 pm
“right, im the one not clued in….you are the one over there claiming Baghdad is like LA, and that iraq is a smashing success…..hahahahahaha…wow.”
oh cmon sam, you so jacked on heroin you cant even keep who said what straight…maybe you should find a better job…one that you can actually do…like toilet bowl cleaner or septic line flusher maybe…
18. SteaM | April 24th, 2008 at 12:35 pm
Maybe the Republicans on this site, and those who run the blog itself, are just BITTER and are clinging to Gore.
19. Zach | April 24th, 2008 at 12:36 pm
“most dumb american middle class families”
Whoops,
Theres another personal attack…
20. kimberly4victory | April 24th, 2008 at 12:49 pm
Debating with the ignorant troll is similar to playing the lottery twice a week. Both are hopeless.
First, the ignorant troll hasn’t a clue on how to debate (calling people idiots is it’s favorite trick). Second, one can see just how ignorant it really is when it assumes it is actually debating when posting.
I pity the ignorant troll(s).
21. SteaM | April 24th, 2008 at 12:49 pm
Such pleasent discussion there kimberly. Please, tell us more.
Maybe, just maybe, Al doesn’t want or need any more prizes or money. Maybe, just maybe, he wants to do some good.
By the way, I enjoyed his book Assault on Reason very much. Check it out sometime if you are interested.
22. Joe | April 24th, 2008 at 12:50 pm
k4v:
So, Joe, how do you feel about major dem players asking/demanding Hillary step out of the race? How about Screamin’ Dean demanding the Super Delegates to choose NOW? Let the campaign continue!
First off, that scream from Dean was so blown out of proportion in 2004. I can’t believe people still bring that up.
Anyway… I’d like to see people make a decision soon too. But hey… if everyone wants the primary to be over after a couple of months, then we need to have one national primary day. Dragging this over 6 months with 5 weeks in between primaries is just dragging it out. If it were 2 Repubs, I would still have the same opinion.
Dems are spending too much money getting the nomination and McCain is cruising around without any serious questions being asked of him.
I think the Dems will eventually unite behind whoever wins the nomination, but it is those independents that the Dems need time to convince. Right now McCain has the ability to make his case.
23. SEW | April 24th, 2008 at 12:53 pm
”
53. sam | April 23rd, 2008 at 9:24 pm
Deleted - slanders the United States military, slanders the United States, repeats known lies. Commenter to be banned. Enough is enough, already”
Does anyone know what to be banned means?
24. Zach | April 24th, 2008 at 12:55 pm
“RESPOND TO THE ISSUE IDIOT”
hahaha…wow…seriously..
Its ironic that this blog is blowing up the way it is after just a short couple of weeks after the “comments” thread that addressed these very problems…
25. Joe | April 24th, 2008 at 12:56 pm
k4v:
the ignorant troll hasn’t a clue on how to debate (calling people idiots is it’s favorite trick
By no means am I defending anyone here (especially this guy), but Kimberly… please use that opinion for others that call people IDIOT on this blog (or “USEFULL IDIOT” as may be the case).
26. SteaM | April 24th, 2008 at 12:58 pm
SEW,
I only guessing here but I’d bet that niether Mark nor Matt have the actually capability to “ban” someone. They can delete and/or edit posts but cannot “ban” a poster.
Unless they can ban their IP address which changes in some cases and peope can get around that easily so that’s not very practical.
They could ban an email address but that can be changed as well.
They’d have to switch to a format where people have to register with a valid email address then they could ban that account. This forces the person to constantly get new email addresses and re-register. That is a pain in the butt so this becomes an affective way to ban someone.
I was banned from redstate.com with my first post. That’s an example of a site that actually actively bans people. Which, by the way, the end result is a very wierd one-sided conversation.
See, k4v, not all us lefties are dumb stupid morons.
27. Some Assembly Required | April 24th, 2008 at 12:58 pm
#30. SEW | April 24th, 2008 at 12:53 pm
I’d assume Mark and/or matt are busy today and have not checked the blog. Either that or they block by e-mail addresses instead of IP address. Otherwise I’m at a loss.
28. Zach | April 24th, 2008 at 1:01 pm
“those arent personal attacks against SPECIFIC posters on this blog Zach. you can’t compare general statements in my posts to personal attacks that people post against me personally.”
-Sam
“26. sam | April 23rd, 2008 at 9:00 pm
Kahn, the ignorant american is here again…”
Theres one personal attack you made..It took 45 seconds to find it and copy and paste.
“RESPOND TO THE ISSUE IDIOT”
-Sam
Theres personal attack numero #2 directed towards me..
hahah..wow is all I can say…hypocrite..
I need to get back to work to support my “dumb american middle-class family”. (My daughter and I
29. SteaM | April 24th, 2008 at 1:02 pm
Also, k4v, you have spoken about your child having problems in school. I do not pretend for a second to understand your personal life nor do i want to attack your family. I would never really want to spend time attacking you personally if I can help it. But when you come on here and call people morons, ignorant trolls, stupid, dumb, etc. I just have to wonder do you treat people like this normally in real life when not sitting behind a computer? If so, then what kind of example do you set for those around you and for those who rely on you to as a mentor and those who look up to you?
30. kimberly4victory | April 24th, 2008 at 1:08 pm
Joe: Come on. That scream from Dean was quite hilarious! I know he was excited about gaining momentum in the race, but he did go a little overboard!
I’d probably want the Republicans to fight it out too if it were the other way around. But, I’m glad it’s over for us.
“Which, by the way, the end result is a very wierd one-sided conversation.” Kind of like dailykos, SteaM. It’s not really a true blog. It’s more like a bitch session for liberals. LOL!
31. SteaM | April 24th, 2008 at 1:12 pm
“Which, by the way, the end result is a very wierd one-sided conversation.” Kind of like dailykos, SteaM. It’s not really a true blog. It’s more like a bitch session for liberals. LOL!
LOL, indeed. But this is not about DailyKOS. We are talking about whether or not Blogsforvictory.com can actually ban someone or not.
I challenge you however to go over to KOS and see how long it takes you to get banned. And try actually making a sensible argument rather than just saying liberals are dumb or something to that affect that has not substance or point to it other than to be a jerk.
32. SteaM | April 24th, 2008 at 1:15 pm
And I’m not convinced that RedState.com is not exactly what you just described only reversed. A place for conservatives to have a bitch session uninterrupted by reason and sense from anyone who would disagree.
33. kimberly4victory | April 24th, 2008 at 1:23 pm
Oh, SteaM. You are so funny! I am an excellent role model for my daughter. If I disagree with someone, I usually keep it to myself … unless some moron cuts me off on the freeway.
Besides, she wasn’t having any problems with the school. I was. As long as she continues getting straight A’s, I could care less if she gets caught chewing gum. Chewing gum is not going to stop her from getting into college.
Troll: Someone who posts controversial and usually irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, with the intention of baiting other users into an emotional response or to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion.
You decide.
34. Tractatus | April 24th, 2008 at 1:52 pm
Maybe, just maybe, he wants to do some good.
Impossible–he’s a damn dirty Democrat, and all they want to do is destroy America.
These are the things you “learn” on this blog.
35. SteaM | April 24th, 2008 at 2:00 pm
That’s cool. I firgued you just reserved your rude and snide comments for the internet where its safe and were probably a generally nice person otherwise.
Doesn’t that “troll” definition apply to many of the posters on this site? js? neocon? kahn?
Just a few examples.
I think you sometimes confuse people’s genuinely valid points which disagree with your views as “trolling”. If this results in an emotional response does that always mean they are baiting? Maybe people are choosing to respond emotionally because they are not openminded enough to deal with it and that is they react rather than thinking first.
Speaking of baiting just to get an emotional response… those “global warming updates”… what would you call those?
Of course thats ok for the blog owner to be the troll. That his/her prerogative.
36. SteaM | April 24th, 2008 at 2:02 pm
Tractatus,
haha, yes. We don’t need Gore to destroy America. It seems to be imploding on its own.
37. js | April 24th, 2008 at 2:03 pm
25. sam
“yep, just like i thought ,personal attacks by the religious zealot js, ”
from you, thats really amusing…you cant even keep track on who said what, let alone which hole your head is stuck into, if its yours or your chinese controllers or, ya, even oSAMa bin leadin…so telling the truth about your jacked up heroin arse isnt so unbelievable after all…and note, its not an attack, its the truth!!
38. Joe | April 24th, 2008 at 2:24 pm
thanks js…. we went a whole hour without someone poking a stick at sam. Just ignore him for cryin out loud. I notice the righties just can’t move on and actually debate the thread.
39. David B. Schmidt | April 24th, 2008 at 2:40 pm
IMHO, Gore may be the Democrats only hope for a victory. As much as I dislike Sen. McCain–I am voting for him.
Sen. Clinton can pull the big states required (in the Dem. primary at least), and Sen. Obama has the delegate count currently. Neither of these two (even a combined ticket) will be able to reach the requirements of the Electoral College to become the next POTUS. That is including *IF* all of the democratic voters don’t just stay home if their candidate isn’t at the top to the ticket.
What I find ironic is the leadership of the Democratic party doesn’t even trust it’s own constituents enough that they needed to create the “Super Delegate.” Personally, I would find it offensive if the Clinton’s, Gore’s and Dean’s of my party treated me like a dumb, little child that can’t make a proper choice for myself.
OT: Since yesterday was Tax Freedom Day (TFD) — I am finally working for myself today & not my government. Six years of them Republicans was bad enough but TFD will be celebrated sometime in September (if at all) if the Dems get the WH.
40. SteaM | April 24th, 2008 at 2:49 pm
Democracy. A system where people vote for someone they don’t like.
What a wonderful system.
41. Joe | April 24th, 2008 at 2:56 pm
IMHO, Gore may be the Democrats only hope for a victory. As much as I dislike Sen. McCain–I am voting for him.
Here is a question that I have posted before regarding this and nobody seems to want to answer it.
You “do not like” McCain, yet you are going to vote for him. Why do you believe it is only Republicans that can unite behind their candidate? Why do you believe the Dems can’t do that?
The whole reason you are voting for McCain apparently is because you don’t want a Dem in the WH.
Why do you believe the Dems wouldn’t vote for whoever their nominee is just to keep a 3rd Bush term out of the WH?
I understand that you don’t think Dems will unite, but you don’t give any reasons why you think that. Yet it appears a lot of people that didn’t/don’t like McCain are uniting behind him.
Odd, huh?
42. js | April 24th, 2008 at 2:57 pm
i think i already posted everything about gore that needs to be debated, here it is again:
Matthew 7:15-20 15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. 16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? 17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. 19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. 20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
43. js | April 24th, 2008 at 2:58 pm
at this point, the entire DNC is a bad tree…thats why they have rotten apples like osama obama, billary and hillary, and global internet warming gore that keep popping up as its fruit….
44. Joe | April 24th, 2008 at 2:59 pm
js, you people have whined that Dems continue to bring up Bush and you keep bringing up that Bush isn’t running.
Why then do you (and Mark and this site in general)keep bringing up Gore? He isn’t running. He isn’t going to get any nomination. He isn’t even in politics any more.
45. Joe | April 24th, 2008 at 3:01 pm
at this point, the entire DNC is a bad tree…thats why they have rotten apples like osama obama, billary and hillary, and global internet warming gore that keep popping up as its fruit….
Should we all play the name game with our candidates? I think McSame will lose.
Welcome back to the 4th grade.
46. Amanda | April 24th, 2008 at 3:01 pm
Sam,
I know you’re not from here, but “IA” is Iowa and “IN” is Indiana. Your claims that you can spell and type will only get you so far if, you know, you can.
47. Some Assembly Required | April 24th, 2008 at 3:08 pm
Gore will not run. I get a kick out of this. You blame various comments which may cause you to question your worldly beliefs on a ‘vast leftist conspiracy’ and then come up with something like this. I can’t help but laugh.
Clinton or Obama will beat McCain for one simple reason. GAS PRICES. I know they normally rise during the summer every year but they are now at $119 a barrel. Not two months ago it was a record $100 a barrel. Bushes tax cuts aren’t helping and throwing money in Iraq, well everyone knows 12 billion a month by now. McCain is coasting along right now there no doubting it. I think From August to November will be more then enough time to ruin him. Especially if the economy keeps tracking like it is. I can see ad’s running now stop ‘John McCain admits ‘he doesn’t know much about the economy’, do you really want another 4 - 8 years of failed Bush Policies…. Vote dem’ vs… Obama’s 20 year pastor makes racist remarks, or Hilary lied about Sniper Fire…
I guess you’ll really just have to wait until one of them gets caught with their hand in the candy jar. It really is depressing what republican, (and democrat to come extent) politics has sunk. Thank you Karl Rove, you have the admiration of a greatful nation.
GORE 08! HA!
48. js | April 24th, 2008 at 3:21 pm
53. Joe
funny joe….i didnt mention bubba one time…you gotta too much pent up frustrations in ya boooy….you should take an extended vacation to iran, eh?
49. js | April 24th, 2008 at 3:23 pm
46. sam
gee sam…its pretty halfwitted of you to expose your own ignorance while imagining mine…you need to smoke some more of that black tar, maybe it would hep ta keep ya thankin straight boy…
50. Some Assembly Required | April 24th, 2008 at 3:28 pm
js, I don’t mean to speak for Joe here, but I’m pretty sure he was calling you and Mark hypocrites. Nice try though, A for effort.
51. Joe | April 24th, 2008 at 3:45 pm
js #57… what the heck are you talking about?
Thank you SAR. I was pointing out that a Dem brings up Bush and we are yelled at that Bush ain’t running.
But having 3 parts about Gore is ok? Last I check he isn’t running either.
What is up with the vacation to iran comment???
52. David B. Schmidt | April 24th, 2008 at 3:52 pm
Well, I guess I mis-typed what I meant. Sen. McCain would not be my first choice–it was Sen. Thompson; however, I will vote for Sen. McCain.
I disagree with quite a few of Sen. McCain’s positions but far fewer than either of the other candidates in either party.
The only reason I mentioned VP Gore was because of the topic. Exit polling in Penn. alone showed that each of the Democratic candidates will lose more than 25% of their opponents members come the general election (as I am sure there are some Republicans sitting out McCain).
Add to that that Sen. Obama barely carries the red states in the Democratic primary and Sen Clinton loses all of flyover country — the two of them combined will still lose the electoral college to Sen McCain come the general.
All we need now is a repeat ‘68 Democratic convention with Obama “winning” and Sen. Obama will take the title of McGovern from him. In 20 years, they will be calling a major loss “an Obama” not “a McGovern” although it would take a real effort to lose all 50 states.
53. js | April 24th, 2008 at 4:01 pm
oh ya, the three stooges play….nice one boyz…but dont you think you should have brought a gun instead of butter knives to this gunfight?
three boys sittin in a row, Joe, SAR, and oSAMa..
why dont you show everyone when i brought up bubba in this blog? your three idiots must be sharing the same brain, because there isnt one ounce of sense in all 3 of ya combined…..
54. Joe | April 24th, 2008 at 4:06 pm
Dopey.
We never claimed you brought up bubba (assuming you are talking about Bill Clinton).
Follow me here slowpoke………
Dems bring up Bush at times. Righties laugh at that saying how Bush isn’t running.
Got me so far??? Ok… part 2….
This blog has brought up 3 separate threads about Gore getting the Dem nomination.
The hatred of the posts about Gore on this thread is obvious.
Still with me??
Gore ain’t running. So why the obsession with Gore?
Was that slow enough for you? Geesh.
I wasn’t going to call you any names, but since you started with your stooges comments…….
55. Joe | April 24th, 2008 at 4:17 pm
I’ve been pretty good about not responding to sam but what the heck……..
sam shut the hell up or just make a point without the names and crap. I don’t agree with js, but enough of your crap.
Why do you have a problem posting like everyone else? Just make your points. Enough of the other bull you spew.
56. Joe | April 24th, 2008 at 4:22 pm
David Schmidt,
Obama and Clinton were not my top choices either. I really liked Richardson and Edwards.
I am fine with Obama or Hillary over McCain.
I am making an assumption here, but those 25% that you say wouldn’t vote for the Dem candidate that is not their current choice, I’m assumign those people are pretty well engaged and understand politics.
Assuming that… I think when push comes to shove and these people see the options are a Dem that they didn’t support in the primary or McCain which would amount to the same old same old with regards to Iraq and the economy… they will realize that voting Dem would be in their best interest.
THAT is why I believe the Dems will unite before November.
57. Mark Noonan | April 24th, 2008 at 5:10 pm
Joe,
Three threads about Gore is “obsession”?
We’ve got Time
Daily Texan
Telegraph
TCPalm
Huffington Post
Southern Ledger
New York Post
It isn’t obsession - its reality; Gore may wind up with it, in the end, if Hillary and Obama can’t agree….and if the superdelegates remain afraid to fully commit themselves….
58. Steam | April 24th, 2008 at 5:21 pm
Except its not going to happen.
So far its a bunch of people speculating that he might run and then that if he does that he might win.
He won’t run.
And of course Obama cant agree with Clinton. She’s his opponent. But since he is ahead in all of the numbers (votes and delegates) he will win the nomination. Its just up to the superdelegates to make that decision. I just wish they’d do it now instead of waiting longer.
I just cannot wait to see a debate with McSame and Obama. It’s gonna be priceless.
59. Joe | April 24th, 2008 at 5:43 pm
Mark,
3 posts about him getting the nomination when he isn’t running and hasn’t been in politics for 8 years IS a bit much.
The 3 threads wasn’t really my point. My comment is more about the hatred coming from the first 3 or 4 posts and then some after that showing the hatred they have for Gore.
“Gore is a liar and a hypocrite.”
“He’d have to disclose and give up his multi-billion dollar carbon trading scams, and he’d have to get down from his unassailable pulpit of the ‘Church of Global Warming’”
“once a fraud, always a fraud”
“Beware of false prophets”
“Gore is planning a sequel to an inconvenient lie”
So yes… I would say there is a bit of hatred going on.
60. FmrMarine | April 24th, 2008 at 7:12 pm
op chaos
>>>>Gore is a liar and a hypocrite. He’ll fit right in with the Democrat electorate.<<<
Of course he is.
Why do you think the most crooked, lying, evil political duo had ole gwhore for VP?
He was a nobody nutcase and he still is.
61. Tractatus | April 24th, 2008 at 7:25 pm
He was a nobody nutcase and he still is.
Excellent self-description, FmrMarine. Perhaps there’s a glimmer of hope for you yet.
62. Percy Beezer | April 24th, 2008 at 7:30 pm
I know your are, but what am I?
(I just thought I’d elevate the conversation the way Tractatis did)
63. Tractatus | April 24th, 2008 at 7:37 pm
Hey, I didn’t force the guy to be a nutcase; that’s the path he chose for himself. Does that bother you, Percy?
64. kimberly4victory | April 24th, 2008 at 8:35 pm
Joe: You need to lighten up, dude! Have a beer or two!
BTW, I don’t hate Gore. I just think he’s a hypocrite. He doesn’t walk the walk (ie, his own home’s electricity use, flying on private jets, etc.). And, many scientists have discounted the “truths” in his documentary. So, saying his sequel would be a lie is not hateful but truthful!
Thanks for your post for sam. I doubt he’ll heed your advise but it’s worth a try.
65. Mark Noonan | April 24th, 2008 at 9:32 pm
SteaM,
I still fully expect Obama to secure the nomination - and I, too, look forward to the debates…Obama being critically weak in the crucial ability to actually answer a question. Be that as it may, the question still remains: Will the Democrats be able to agree?
Obama has, by and large, won the primaries - but with the critical weakness of not winning in the big States vital to Democratic victory in the fall - this failure has allowed Hillary to put together a narrative where it seems best to give the nomination to her…this narrative has its own weaknesses, but it is a narrative; it is, that is, a reason for keeping up the fight. If, at the end of it all, Hillary is the clear popular vote winner (and she may well wind up in that position) then she’ll have a very arguable position for super delegate support.
Obama’s narrative - heavily weakened over the past month, but still there - is that he’s the un-politician who can bring in the independents necessary to give the Democrats a really smashing win in November, with the resultant political power to fundamentally change things.
For the Democratic leaders, the calculus is difficult - failure to back Obama might lead to a slow melt-down in Democratic strength amongst black voters…but Obama is less popular among core Democrats than Hillary is (McCain has this problem with core GOPers, too…but he’s going to have March-August to patch things up…Obama will have to do his patching during the fall campaign…); backing Obama might lead to blue collar Democrats staying home, or opting for McCain as a reasonable alternative to Obama’s elitism and uber-leftism ( blue collar union voters are liberal in some ways, but very conservative in others…and Obama has consistently been turning them off).
Its an interesting mix - and it just might come out that no one can agree, and thus some third person is required to put it all together…the logical third choice is Gore.
66. Mark Noonan | April 24th, 2008 at 9:34 pm
Joe,
Perhaps a bit over the top - but Gore has been a con artist since day one in politics, and he’s aggravated a lot of conservatives over the years.
67. SteaM | April 24th, 2008 at 10:01 pm
Gore is not a con artist. That’s just a plain old silly hate filled lie.
68. phnx | April 24th, 2008 at 10:44 pm
“Dems are spending too much money getting the nomination and McCain is cruising around without any serious questions being asked of him.” Joe
Operation Chaos at work…heheheheh
69. SteaM | April 25th, 2008 at 12:26 pm
k4v,
So Gore is a hypocrite because he uses carbon? That’s fine, I’ll accept that.
But he knows this. He has said it before and expressed his frustration at the lack of alternatives to using carbon based fuels.
You miss the point though of what he is working towards. Its not about making money and being a hypocrite in the meantime. Laughing the whole way to the bank. That’s what oil companies and energy companies would like you to believe.
I would love to have solar panels on the roof of my house. I cannot afford it. I don’t want to use fossil fuels anymore and would vote for people who would help me to do that. But when I express my personal concerns about humans using fossil fuels for energy even though I do it also does this mean I cannot say anything or have a voice? Do that mean I will be a hypocrite just because I cannot afford to reduce or eliminate my carbon fuel usage?