Reverand Hagee Praises Benedict XVI
May 5th, 2008 at 03:52am Mark Noonan
Rev. John Hagee, the controversial pastor of Cornerstone Church in San Antonio, Texas, has lauded Pope Benedict XVI in a Washington Times essay and thanked him for the speeches he made during his U.S. visit. Hagee praised what he called Pope Benedict’s “moral vision for America,” especially the Pope’s affirmation of Christian participation in the public square.
In his Washington Times essay, Rev. Hagee also repeated his denial of accusations he has made anti-Catholic statements. Hagee insisted he has been “quite zealous” about condemning what he said was the “past anti-Semitism of the Catholic Church.” However, he claimed his view of the Catholic Church had been caricatured.
Hagee praised Pope Benedict’s many public statements about the role that “our Judeo-Christian faith” can play in contemporary life.
“As an evangelical Protestant I happen to disagree with Pope Benedict on many issues of Christian doctrine and ritual,” Hagee wrote. “But when it comes to his moral vision for America and the world I have one thing to say in response to the Pope’s visit: Amen.”
Hagee said that evangelical leaders believe faith must not be confined to “churches on Sunday morning.” Rather, Christian values can help build a more just and humane society. Hagee said the Pope “speaks for all of us” when he said “any tendency to treat religion as a private matter must be resisted” and called for Christian participation “in the exchange of ideas in the public square.”
My erring brother, Hagee, has made a gracious gesture in keeping with the true Christian spirit - and while I retain many differences of opinion with Hagee, I choose to accept this olive branch and let bygones be bygones. At a time when religion, as a thing, is under full scale assault, those of us who believe must remain as united as possible, and I’m not going to gnaw a bone of resentment just for the sake of keeping angry.
Entry Filed under: Campaign 2008, Religion
144 Comments
1. Dennis | May 5th, 2008 at 4:30 am
Noonan: “While I retain many differences of opinion with Hagee, I choose to accept this olive branch and let bygones be bygones. ”
Ah, yes - the accommodation of politics, as opposed to the divisive sword of the Spirit. Hagee proves himself as changeable as last week’s underwear - yet it seems his former opinions have respectable precedent.
“The identity of papal Rome with anti-Christ was maintained by Luther, Melancthon, Calvin, and all the continental reformers; by Latimer, Melancthon, Calvin, and all the British reformers: by the illustrious Sir Issac Newton, Mede, Whiston, Bishop Newton, Lowth, Daubuz, Jurieu, Vitringa, Bedell, and a host of equally pious, illustrious and learned names. The same testimony has been borne in the authorized doctrinal standards of the Episcopal, Presbyterian, Lutheran, Methodist, Baptist, and other churches both of Europe and America.
“The same doctrine is still taught in the theological school of Geneva by the illustrious D’Aubigne and Gaussen, and with but here and there a solitary exception, by all the most learned professors and clergymen of the present day, connected with the various evangelical denominations of protestant Christians” (John Dowling, The History of Romanism, 2nd edition, 1852, pp. 646,47).
At the end of the ninth century, “Tergandus, Bishop of Treves, called the Pope antichrist, and Rome, Babylon” (Martyrs Mirror, 5th English edition, p. 240).
In the 12th century many groups of separatist Bible believers labeled Rome as the Harlot of Revelation and the antichrist. (Allix, The Ecclesiastical History of the Ancient Churches; Robinson, Ecclesiastical Researches).
The Waldensians, throughout their long history, identified the Pope as the Antichrist. In the year 1100, the Waldensian document titled the Noble Lesson, was produced. It identified the pope as the “Antichrist, the predicted murderer of the Saints, hath already appeared in his true character, seated monarchally in the seven-hilled city.” (Faber, The History of the Ancient Vallenses and Albigenses. p. 371).
“A Treatise Concerning Antichrist,” dated roughly 1160, identified the Pope of Rome as the Antichrist. The manuscript was found among the Waldensians in the year 1658, by Sir Samuel Morland, who was appointed by British authorities to aid the Waldensians in their bitter persecutions.
Mark Noonan and even now Hagee might argue that the Roman Catholic Church is no longer the same institution which was opposed by all those previously cited. To prove such a point, though, they would have to show when the Roman Catholic Church renounced the doctrines that caused so many saints of old to identify it with Revelation 17.
But I’m guessing that not many scholars of the Reformation will appear on this blog…
2. Odamo Sese Omoko | May 5th, 2008 at 7:04 am
I’m sorry I am laughing too hard at this to really comment. This isn’t even my thing but it does show the lengths that people will bend “my religion” to get “my politics” to the head of the table.
3. Pain | May 5th, 2008 at 7:08 am
Straight from the horse’s mouth!
4. congressive | May 5th, 2008 at 8:28 am
I had to Ace Bandage my head to keep it from exploding. Hagee lauds the “great whore” (his words, not mine - even my opinion of Catholicism doesn’t sink that low) in the Moonie Times for condemning McCain’s 100 year war during an election cycle.
Here, let me try again: McCain seeks and welcomes the endorsement of Hagee, who condemns his foreign policy by lauding the anti-war Pope who Hagee considers the head of Christendom’s “false cult system”…AAAIIIEEEE!!!
I’m just exchanging my ideas in the public square. However, my Spider sense” is detecting a deletion in my future.
Saints be praised.
5. OperationChaos | May 5th, 2008 at 8:45 am
Why should anyone delete your tripe, Broder? By the time you get around to posting, it’s already been stated, many times, by your fellow trolls. You’re a rather slow lemming, aren’t you? Perhaps you’re a touch retarded.
6. OperationChaos | May 5th, 2008 at 8:47 am
Besides, Broder, who cares about your simple-mindedness, when we can read such profound crap from ol’ Denise…
7. winnowhead | May 5th, 2008 at 11:09 am
You’ve posted about Hagee twice as far as I can tell, and all you had to say each time was how you have forgiven to your Christian brother Hagee for, among other things, calling the Catholic church the “great whore.”
However, I see over 10 posts attacking another Christian brother who - guess what! - doesn’t vote Republican.
Does your God approve of placing party politics above Him?
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9. Capitalist Infidel | May 5th, 2008 at 11:58 am
Ok, I’m not at all religious so forgive my naivete but I didn’t hear “Catholic” in any of the statements that Hagee made at “Pain” link. In fact all I heard was the usual fire and brimstone, everybody is going to hell :)
10. looking4laughs | May 5th, 2008 at 12:31 pm
As a fellow Roman Catholic I do not trust Rev. Hagee “olive branch” as you call it. And the fact that it was in the Washington Times just makes me laugh. You read that paper and call yourself a Roman Catholic????
As a investigation recently showed;
“Rev. Sun Myung Moon, a South Korean theocrat who had denounced the United States as “Satan’s harvest” and likened American women to “prostitutes.”
In his angry sermons, Moon has gone further than saying “God-damn America” to vowing to sweep aside American democracy and individualism as he builds a one-world state.
Once his plan to “swallow entire America” is complete, Moon told his followers in one sermon, there will be “some individuals who complain inside your stomach. However, they will be digested.””
11. Pain | May 5th, 2008 at 12:33 pm
9. Capitalist Infidel | May 5th, 2008 at 11:58 am
In the clip Hagee refers to the Catholic Church as “the Roman Church.”
12. Casper | May 5th, 2008 at 1:19 pm
I consider Hagee to be every bit as much a nut a Wright. The fact that McCain went out of his way to seek out Hagee’s endorsement, says as much about McCain’s character as Obama’s association with Wright says about his..
13. DM | May 5th, 2008 at 2:15 pm
”The fact that McCain went out of his way to seek out Hagee’s endorsement… “
Casper,
You’ve said this more than once and been called on it more than once. Care to show where/when McCain sought out Hagee’s endorsement. The fact that Hagee made the endorsement doesn’t mean McCain sought it and certainly doesn’t equate the same as a 20 year relation with the minister of choice that Obama had. Your dishonesty is telling.
14. OperationChaos | May 5th, 2008 at 4:02 pm
DM,
Casspurr, “a former Republican,” has gone over to the left, meaning he can spew DNC talking points without citing proof.
However, Casspurr’s daughter is a “war hero,” so he can say what he wants.
In other words, DM, Casspurr is just another jerk with nothing better to do than come here and let us know how he hates anything GOP. Just ignore him…
15. Casper | May 5th, 2008 at 6:46 pm
http://www.newsweek.com/id/135385
According to the above link:
“McCain personally wooed Hagee for more than a year. In early 2007, the Arizona senator traveled to Hagee’s Cornerstone Church in San Antonio, where the two men had breakfast. They bonded over a shared commitment to the protection of Israel, a meeting that McCain later cited as a sign of his outreach to social conservatives.”
16. Judith | May 6th, 2008 at 2:17 am
Re: Hagee. So what, so what, sooooo what!! If the people of our party cannot agree on something, how can we win an uphill battle for the election? I can find something I disagree with in most conservative posts but I can also find some agreement. The other problems Obuma has are important and since, he is so arrogant that he doesn’t realize his inabilities and incompetencies and really thinks he can do it, we need to hit him on this and to hell with Rev. Wright.
17. Dennis | May 6th, 2008 at 2:48 am
Judith: “The other problems Obuma has are important and since, he is so arrogant that he doesn’t realize his inabilities and incompetencies and really thinks he can do it, we need to hit him on this and to hell with Rev. Wright.”
Amen, sistah - and although I think you are courting folly in presuming Obama’s “incompetencies”, I welcome your willingness to dismiss Wright and allow Obama to speak for himself. Soon enough we will see just how able or unable he actually is.
18. Pain | May 6th, 2008 at 6:10 am
13. DM | May 5th, 2008 at 2:15 pm
In an interview that will appear in this Sunday’s New York Times Magazine, controversial televangelist Rev. John Hagee declares, “It’s true that [John] McCain’s campaign sought my endorsement.”
McCain has attempted to distance himself from some of Hagee’s views, much as Barack Obama is doing in relation to Rev. Jeremiah Wright. But unlike McCain, Obama has not stood on stage with Wright and accepted his accolades this year.–Editor & Publisher 20 March 2008
19. DM | May 6th, 2008 at 8:49 am
Sorry but I don’t read anything that says McCain sought Hagee’s endorsement. And the Newsweek’s article using the word “wooed”, what a laugh. Notice the very next statement where it says they bonded in a shared commitment to the protection of Israel? Sure sounds to me like working together for a common interest on a topic both feel strongly about. Seems like McCain did that regularly with Democrats too on topics he felt strongly about. And further McCain clearly states that even though a person may endorse the candidate that does not mean the candidate agrees with everything that person says.
Your assertion that the McCain/Hagee relationship is anything remotely like the Obama/Wright situation is really a huge stretch in twisted logic, which is to say – really dumb.
20. Casper | May 6th, 2008 at 2:28 pm
DM,
I guess if you don’t want believe the evidence that McCain sought out Hagee’s endorsement, theres not much I can do. Do you believe the video of Hagee endorsing McCain as they stood on the same stage with McCain thanking him?
It seems pretty obvious that McCain was happy with Hagee’s endorsement. To me that brings up the same kind of questions about McCain’s character as Wright’s association with Obama brings up.
21. Mark Noonan | May 6th, 2008 at 2:59 pm
Casper,
McCain’s one-time endorsement by Hagee is similar to Obama’s 20 year, extra close relationship with Wright? Yeah, and I guess black and white are just slightly different colors…
Geesh!
22. Casper | May 6th, 2008 at 9:12 pm
Mark,
I guess McCain seeking out a hate filled nutcase like Hagee for an endorsement is ok with you. After all the posts you have had trying to link Obama to various nutcases, one would think you would have a problem with that.
23. Mark Noonan | May 6th, 2008 at 10:22 pm
Casper,
I was unaware of Hagee’s views until just this year…true, McCain should have been more careful in screening those whom he sought an endorsement from, but given McCain’s very high need for Evangelical support, it is not entirely surprising that Hagee’s past slipped under the radar screen.
As it is, McCain has made it absolutely clear that he subscribes to none of Hagee’s views about the Catholic Church - unlike Obama, who hems and haws (at best) when confronted with Wright’s clearly racist and anti-American views. Furthermore, McCain’s connection to Hagee is far thinner than Obama’s connection to Wright - I know you on your side are desperate for comparision, but there really is none.
Meanwhile, Hagee has made a gracious statement about the Benedict XVI, and I’d be un-Christian if I didn’t accept gratefully his kind words.
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