Obama has stated his intent to remove our forces from the region (while talking tough) and offered possible concessions ahead of time.

Have YOU ever had to negotiate for anything? Crimminy, read up on it. You actually see them as the same?

Well - at least the Franks would have had fair warning to get the hell out of there.

Dutchman Arrested for Aggravated Cartoonery

No joke. Arrested over a cartoon. The Dutch are spinelessly appeasing Islamists. There’s no free speech or freedom of expression in Europe or Canada.

Kumbaya!

But, um, it was a dutch family that turned over the Franks. Wasn’t it? It was Dutch families all over Holland that did the same. Wasn’t it? Dutch Police that worked with the Gestapo and SS to round up homosexuals, Jews, and communists? Dutch trains that packed them in?

But, well OK you fought them!

You allowed them to happen. You caved to them almost instantly because of your lack of preparation. Then, for the most part you cooperated with them in their maniacal plans.

British, Canadian, and American troops kicked them out of Holland. NOT YOU.

Your plan to resist included sending young Jewish children to the gas chambers to save your own worthless lives.

No wonder you don’t recognize appeasement when you see it. And no wonder you can’t tell the difference between a wolf and a sheep dog.

No WVO - I’m attacking his lack of a plan. I’m attacking your support for a plan that you don’t know and can’t articulate.

You’ve so lost that debate. I’ve laid out his plan and instead of addressing it you create all sorts of strawmen (no, Obama will keep forces in the region, so there goes your argument).

And you still haven’t learned who were the ones that actively fought Nazism and fascism before and during WWII. It wasn’t the right.

And it wasn’t the right that tried to protect the Jews, the gypsies, the homosexuals, the socialists, the communists and people from the resistance, from being sent to the concentration.
The right collaborated with the Nazis. They believed appeasement was a far better strategy.

And you want to learn what my family did and what happened to them during the war? You POS?

WVO…Waste Vegtable Oil…an appropriate moniker for our wooden shod friend…I like it.

Obama’s plan includes appointing Rodney King as Sec. of State. His “ccccan’t we all just get along” policy is sure to win the hearts and minds of the Islamo Fascists.

YOU’RE support for a plan YOU don’t know is absurd.

How could we possibly put MORE pressure on Iran? We have a huge military presence in evgery nation bordering Iran right now. But Obama has stated he will remove forces from Iraq. One would suppose he would remove them from Kuwait, Bahrain, and the Gulf also? But, well - one HAS to suppose doesn’t one? Since his “plan” is no plan at all.

“If Iran abandons its nuclear program and support for terrorism, we will offer incentives like membership in the World Trade Organization, economic investments, and a move toward normal diplomatic relations.”

According to the last Intelligence Estimate, they have already stopped working on nuclear weapons and they deny supporting terrorism. So, what you think they’re lying? And are these not offering concessions to stop bad behavior? And is that not in fact appeasement? I mean really - isn’t it?

You write “Then let me spell it out for you: it is perfectly possible to say one thing, without leaving any doubt to what or to whom you are referring, without actually saying it.”

Well, apparently it’s NOT so easy. At least - not so easy for you. I still don’t get what your point is if it’s not to suggest we are NAZI like. In fact, you justify this view in the following paragraph. No, I mean yes.

Here, I’ll try: WVO, I would never in a million years say you are a pompous self-riotous wind bag.

But hey, you’re country is the one that packed it’s neighbors off to Germany and Poland to be gassed, not mine. Tell me, how far do you live from Ann Franks home? She and her family were betrayed by neighbors, weren’t they? Hmmm, funny - the French significantly reduced their Jewish population during the early to mid-40’s also didn’t they? Yep - real shining examples your two countries are. But I guess you are the experts on how to act NAZI.

It is “liberals” who control entertainment TV, broadcast news, and most newspapers here.

It is “liberals” (take for example, Oliver Stone) who are willing to create wild flights of fancy and call them history. It is liberals who use TV and movies to belittle and attack their conservative opponents in shows and movies disguised as entertainment.

And it is liberals who seek to stifle those few speech outlets (talk Radio, Fox News, a precious few newspapers) who dare challenge their views. They attack conservative speech

And it is “liberals” who seek to take our earnings (but don’t volunteer more of their own) to distribute to buy votes. They seek state control of wealth.

Since NONE of the cities that have actually banned guns are any better after decades - this clearly can not be the reason they seek to eliminate them. Yet, they want to take them away from the citizens. Clearly, it is “liberals” who seek an unarmed populace so there will be no resistance when they impose the rest of their socialist tyranny.

They attack conservatives as evil. They dehumanize and vilify opponents.

But again - YOU are the experts over there. Not us. You’re the ones who created Communism, and Fascism. Who succumbed to them, even embraced them. Last time I checked - all the concentration camps (you know, the ones with the ovens) are in Europe. Not even Pol Pot could compete with you people - and THATS saying something. Though it’s possible that Stalin could.

Of course, our saving you from HIM was just a part of our misguided militarism, I guess.

2. Just what IS this great and compelling argument Obama is going to make to our enemies? If it’s just acting tough…. how’s that change? What is the great NEW way he’s talking about? Please, enlighten us with your enormous liberal brain! If not concessions, WHAT!?!?!?

So you are attacking Obama’s plan, without knowing what his plan IS … ?

You know, in this modern age, it’s not that difficult to inform yourself. Politicians nowadays have this thingy called “a website”. You can use ‘the google’ to get the address but I will give it you for free: http://www.barackobama.com/issues/foreignpolicy/#iran

I will even go one step further: I will cut and paste the relevant part for you:

Obama is the only major candidate who supports tough, direct presidential diplomacy with Iran without preconditions. Now is the time to pressure Iran directly to change their troubling behavior. Obama would offer the Iranian regime a choice. If Iran abandons its nuclear program and support for terrorism, we will offer incentives like membership in the World Trade Organization, economic investments, and a move toward normal diplomatic relations. If Iran continues its troubling behavior, we will step up our economic pressure and political isolation. Seeking this kind of comprehensive settlement with Iran is our best way to make progress.

Kahn:

1. Since Obama wasn’t even named by Bush […]

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Oh and WVO - jeeezzz we’re just so stupid over here. Just what did you mean when you said to write it in German? I thought you were making a NAZI reference also.

Still don’t get it?

Then let me spell it out for you: it is perfectly possible to say one thing, without leaving any doubt to what or to whom you are referring, without actually saying it.
It was a very deliberate trap and both you and Mark have fallen for it.

And no, I don’t believe you or Mark or all Republicans or all conservatives are Nazis. But I do want to point out to certain elements in the US that an unconditional worshipping of military power and might; flag waving; patriotism; nationalism; the American exceptionalism; the branding of yourself as superior and others as inferior is a major reason why the rest of the world has become increasingly anti-american in the last couple of years.