“As evidenced by is siganture, gaijin is void of any original thought. He is a programmed, mindless liberal, of which their are many.”

How interesting…devoid of original thought? Doesn’t that apply to you.
Why don’t you argue any of Gaijin’s points? By the way, if no one agrees with your propaganda, they are automatically “liberals” or “lefties”?

A little clue on reality. I’ve met more people overseas who more or less agree with Gaijin’s types of views than with views similar to your’s. Try arguing his points…. or is name calling your only forte?

Mossadegh fits in with their distorted liberal paradigm. It is again another liberal revision of history. And I don’t blame people like gaijin, he is simply regurgitating what he’s been taught - garbage in, garbage out.

As evidenced by is siganture, gaijin is void of any original thought. He is a programmed, mindless liberal, of which their are many.

See my response to Sung Tung…you really should drop the unthinking leftwing talking points and find out what was going on…you know, if Mossadegh were as popular as the left makes him out to be, then he would have won…but he was crushed in four days; this means that there was a substantial portion of Iranian society which didn’t want to play his game. The world is not a cartoon, its a real place where real things happen…

No one disputes that some Iranians made great play about it…but as most Iranians live in grinding poverty and fear of their own government, I doubt that much Iranian thought is given to a coup and counter-coup from 55 years ago, especially as only about 5% of Iran’s population has any memory of it at all.

What I was pointing out, however, is that Gaijin’s view of the event is puerile.

Regarding post 33, “You do realise that the Shah exercised his constitutional authority to dismiss Mossadegh, and that Mossadegh refused to step down and instigated an attempt to overthrow the monarchy, aren’t you?”

Interesting statement. From it alone, it appears that the Shah did indeed exercise his constitutional authority, as if there was no more to it.

Could you please explain the following statement attributed to Madeleine Albright in 2000?

“In 1953 the United States played a significant role in orchestrating the overthrow of Iran’s popular Prime Minister, Mohammed Massadegh. The Eisenhower Administration believed its actions were justified for strategic reasons; but the coup was clearly a setback for Iran’s political development. And it is easy to see now why many Iranians continue to resent this intervention by America in their internal affairs.”

JS,

Try doing some research about the Shah of Iran. By the way, under his “just” leadership was the Savak, also known as Secret Police. Are Secret Police used to keep democracy intact or to deter/intimidate opponents of dictatorships? Please tell me on average how many Iranians were arrested and tortured each month (During the Shah’s rule)? How many were killed?

Was the Shah installed in order to create democracy? Or was he put in power because his his predecessor, Mohammed Mosaddeq wanted to nationalize Iran’s oil, wresting its control from the foreign-owned entities? Example: Anglo Iranian Oil Company.. you may know it as BP.

JS, is the above true or am I, “…flying with the lies about it all…”?

Mossadegh　threatened to nationalize the BP oilfields. The US and Britian used CIA and Kermitt Roosevelt, grandson of Teddy, to undertake Operation AJAX reinstating the Shah. Mossadegh was sent to prison. After his release, he spent the rest of his life under house arrest. The Shah went on to form KGB like institutions and torture and kill people. The US supported the Shah and was even building Iran’s first nuclear reactors. Sound about right?

“but proxy is the responsibility of the party which set it in motion”

If you want to use this rational, the US has attacked many countries, some of which were democracies through the CIA and convert opps. The US has supplied groups inside of Iran to try to overthrow the government, even before the Iraq war. By the proxy logic, the US was attacking Iran even before the war.
For what it’s worth.

Peace, Gaijin

Are you suggesting that the Shah represented democracy? I hope not because that would be the most humorous thing posted all day.

Peace, gaijin

Care to explain?