Liberal Insanity on Display
May 25th, 2008 at 01:53pm Mark Noonan
Ah, the modern, liberal world - from Australia:
A JUDGE has allowed a 12-year-old Victorian girl to start a taxpayer-funded sex swap, despite objections from the child’s father.
The girl has begun court-approved hormone treatment in the first step toward a complete gender switch.
The Family Court orders also permit the girl, who cannot be named, to apply for a new birth certificate, passport and Medicare card in a boy’s name.
The application to allow the hormone treatment was lodged by the girl’s mother.
A state government observer, an endocrinologist, a psychiatrist, a family counsellor and a lawyer acting on the child’s behalf all supported the plan.
Only her father, who lives interstate, opposed the proposed sex change, though he did not attend the final court hearing and could not afford to send a lawyer on his behalf.
The court was told he could not accept that his daughter had always seen herself as a boy and considered her too young to make such a decision.
The mother expressed sadness and deep concern for her daughter, but said she would stand by the girl.
The child’s lawyer told the court she considered the girl capable of making an informed decision.
The girl is one of the youngest patients in Australia granted permission to begin a sex swap.
The court was told early intervention was needed because the child was stressed and anxious at the prospect of starting her period and had threatened self-harm.
Hormones implanted under her skin every three months will stop her menstruating and prevent her hips and breasts growing.
A willfull little girl who is rather knee-worthy throws a trantrum and a court entertains her demand as if it were rational. This is where modern liberalism leads us, good people…and please note that for all of liberalism’s concern for the rights of defendants in criminal cases, there is no provision in liberalism to provide an attorney for girl’s father to come to court and try to inject a note of sanity into the proceedings.
Whence comes this? From several sources - but primarily from the cowardice of those who know better. Everyone knows that this child should not have a sex change. And yet, she’s going to have one…”being yourself” is a fine thing, but “beiing yourself” cannot require surgery other other major, medical interventions into your normal biology. It took a l ot of liberalism - and liberalism’s lies - to get us to this point…it’ll take a lot of Truth to turn us around and get us back to a rational society.
Entry Filed under: Foreign Affairs, Kook Left, Life Issues, Popular Culture, Social Issues
51 Comments
1. neocon | May 25th, 2008 at 4:51 pm
Here’s some more liberal insanity. Pain posted the following in an earlier thread from a third party source:
>>>As a conservative I don’t like what you do but since I realize most people want a liberal government and their civil liberties and that this is my agreement with conservatism’s narrow view of individual freedoms that can only exist if they are Biblically allowable, or patriotically traditional, I must attack the liberal source. By personally insulting my opponent and forcing them into appearing weak, or even feminine, I can successfully dodge being exposed as a theocrat, a bigot, a homophobe or an anti-capitalist or even all the above. When you seek to control the lives of others because of your own insecurities this is the only card in the deck you have to play.”>>>>
The problem we have is that demented liberals actually believe this. They also actually believe that Iraq is in a civil war and that America is the main cause of the worlds ills.
How can you reason with people so detached from reality? They offer up false premises for debate then declare victory when no one engages them. It’s really a study in indoctrination and brain washing.
2. js | May 25th, 2008 at 5:37 pm
it really doesnt have to be based in biblical values, as our constitution showed us clearly…but there does have to be values…and those values must be maintained or everything that made america was not more than a waste of human endevor….in the bible these values are recognized as well….
Romans 2: 12-16
12For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law; and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law; 13(for not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified. 14For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: 15which show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;) 16in the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.
3. js | May 25th, 2008 at 5:44 pm
so effectively, you dont have to be Christian to realize the difference between right and wrong…the laws of nature…and of natures God…is a powerful explanation of the belief that i have posted on here….and explanation that shows liberal accusations against religious people are unfounded…because they need to distract from the basic truth…which is that there is a right, and there is a wrong….wrongs like this 12 year old girl given aid to advance a mental issue, instead of treating the cause of it…sexual identity disfunction is real, nobody denies that…but it IS a mental disfunction, and APA is guilty of lying to both the people and government of america, and leading the psychiatric field astray from the principals of scientific research…to one of “if it feels good, it must be right”….
4. phnx | May 25th, 2008 at 6:00 pm
This is lunacy gone wild.
5. middlefinger | May 25th, 2008 at 6:02 pm
Yeesh, quite a stretch there Noonan.
An inspired piece of comedy, Napoleon.
Can I get a AMEN!
6. Magnum Serpentine | May 25th, 2008 at 6:15 pm
How does this effect the United States?
Australia is not the United States
And how does this relate to liberals? its just the view of one court.
next.
7. phnx | May 25th, 2008 at 7:26 pm
Magnum you are not as smart as you pretend to be.
Beginning in the late nineteen-nineties, the Court’s more liberal members began citing foreign sources to help interpret the Constitution on basic questions of individual liberties—for which the laws of foreign democracies tend to be more progressive than those at home. In 1999, Justice Stephen Breyer protested the Court’s refusal to hear the appeal of a prisoner who argued that spending more than two decades on death row amounted to cruel and unusual punishment, and thus violated the Eighth Amendment. Quoting legal opinions from Jamaica, India, Zimbabwe, and the European Court of Human Rights.
All of these gender issues are creations of the liberal left. This just happens to be the most egregious example. I’ll bet that there are a substantial number of leftists who secretly applaud this ruling as a great leap forward.
8. Rana Quijotesca | May 25th, 2008 at 11:01 pm
Just putting this out there… there is an actual disorder that causes a person’s body to think that it is the opposite gender. I can’t remember the name off of the top of my head, but it usually involves women having chest hair where they should have breasts and men having breasts where they should have chest hair. I don’t know the specifics of this girl’s medical history, but it is entirely possible that she is developing in a way that is indicative of this disease. It illustrate the fundamental difference between “sex” and “gender identity.”
As for the case, I don’t think that she should have the sex change until after she hits puberty or the age of legal consent, so that a.) we will know whether this is an actual condition b.) so this won’t be a tax-payer funded flight of fancy and c.) so she will be able to make a rational decision.
Frankly, if her mother has custody, which seems to be the case, given that he father is in another state, then if the mother agrees, then it can happen legally (with that whole “legal guardian” thing). Frankly, I think the mom is insane, but you seem to leave out the fact that the mom is de facto approving of this (”Standing by her daughter”). If anything, it is the result of one parent’s decision be chosen over another parent’s decision in a court of law–the same type of thing that happens in every custody dispute in the United States.
What did we learn today?
That gender issues aren’t necessarily a “creation of the liberal left”.
That this case was a dispute between parents.
Class dismissed.
–Sorry I haven’t been as present on here… I’m actually in Ecuador–amazing what you learn when you experience other cultures first hand!
9. phnx | May 26th, 2008 at 12:47 am
Rana,
A bit presumptuous of you the student to pretend to give a lesson.
1. You are probably refering to Cushing’s Disease which generally occurs only in adults after the age of 20. Its an endocrine disorder.
2. Parental custody should have no bearing on a decision like this. For you to reiterate that the mother is ‘Standing behind the daughter” speaks to her mental instablity as well as yours.
3. How have you shown that “That gender issues aren’t necessarily a “creation of the liberal left”? What are they. the creation of some fundementalist church or President Bush??
4. You are going to have to attend summer school if this is any example of your school performance.
10. Rana Quijotesca | May 26th, 2008 at 2:00 am
phnx-
1.) Actually, I was referring to Congenital adrenal hyperplasia–it can cause gender identity issues but usally doesn’t. It also comes into play during adolescence. By the way… Cushing disease doesn’t have anything to do with gender identity, but it can cause male-pattern hair growth in women.
2.) Parental Custory should have a bearing on this because that is the way that most western law works. The child can’t make the decision, so the parent with custody (aka: the legal guardian) makes the decision for them. I said myself that I disagree with the decision, but that is how the law works. If you don’t like it–the Saudi legal system might share some of your views.
3.) That herring was so red I’m surprised that it wasn’t on fire… Actually, gender identity is something made up by psychologists and medical researchers (people who know things, unlike you), but it has some roots in earlier societies.
4.) See… this is the type of personal attack that the comment policy should sweep up (though lax enforcement allows me to retaliate)… Technically though, I am attending summer school, but not because I failed (my GPA is in the B range, fyi). I am in Ecuador for a few weeks learning about Environmental Conflict Resolution. On Thursday I interviewed the general manager of Ascendant Copper Corporation in Ecuador–what have you done recently?
11. ViralNexus | May 26th, 2008 at 2:51 am
Only on this site (well at least I hope only on this site) would you find medical disorders being presented as a creation of the liberal left. Rana presented only one of the very disorders that cause gender identity issues. It is not right that a 12 year old girl was given the choice by a court of law to undergo gender reassignment. At 12 she is still in the height of puberty and such gender identity issues often subside after puberty. I’m pretty sure that here in the US no child under the age of 18 can undergo such procedures especially since hormone drugs are rarely prescribed to children. So to state that this may present a precedence in a similar case is preposterous. One last thing, it is simply amazing that people actually believe that things like this aren’t (gender identity disorders) aren’t a natural part of nature. Anyone that has ever taken a biology class or physiology class and who can appreciate the extreme complexity can easily see where such disorders come from. Though I must admit ignorance truly is bliss.
12. ViralNexus | May 26th, 2008 at 2:53 am
I meant to say the extreme complexity of the human genome but got ahead of myself. Sorry about that.
13. phnx | May 26th, 2008 at 7:31 am
Rana,
A bit touchy about our school performance aren’t we? Me thinks thou does’t protest too much.
“…Environmental Conflict Resolution. On Thursday I interviewed… “, right, just what this world needs, another lawyer…or another journalist.
That anyone would support a 12 year olds DECISION for a sex change operation is lunacy. That a mother would support it is criminal. This fixation with gender and sex IS a liberal manifestation that has infected western culture. As for such a procedure not being allowed in the US…bladerdash!! Mothers are already ascenting to their daughters wishes for boob implants. sex changes operations are a mere lunatic liberal mom or dad away.
14. phnx | May 26th, 2008 at 7:49 am
OBTW: what have I done lately? I am at my vacation home preparing my yacht for the summer season. One of the many rewards for a Captain of Industry.
15. neocon | May 26th, 2008 at 9:04 am
“”Environmental Conflict Resolution”" - Rana
Oh my gawd…….another bureaucratic, feel good, accomplish nothing liberal position. Great. Just where I want my tax money going.
Thanks Rana.
16. Magnum Serpentine | May 26th, 2008 at 9:59 am
Phnx its still true, Australia is not the United States and there is absolutely nothing wrong with Liberalism
17. FmrMarine | May 26th, 2008 at 10:32 am
MS
SURE SURE ya de ya!
It has EVERYTHING to do with liberlaism, either here or in another democracy.
Liberal = marxist activist judges have bastardized the law/constitution to the point if no return, it will take a full collapse and re start of our system to rid it of this poisoned insanity (liberalism).
One of the jobsties where i work has one of these monsters who disfigured their body to become the opposite sex….what a freeking joke.
It was a married man with 2 kids and is now a SHIM she/man.
The shim’s skanky stringy hair with a friar tuck bald spot is really attractive.
Many who work there think it is disgusting and sick which is actually viewed by some as a form of harrassment.
However as we all know the shim has extra rights and NOBODY would dare say anything with thr threat of discharge.
The corp had to make a unisex bathroom so the shim could sit down by its selp.
liberalism IS “a mental disorder” of the highest.
18. phnx | May 26th, 2008 at 11:20 am
Magnum,
Yes Australia is not part of the US. I see that you have mastered geography, congratulations.
As to your second statement, sorry you are wrong. Liberalism, as practised by you leftists, is a mental disease which make you believe that good intentions supercede good outcomes, that absence of war is peace, that insists upon a world with no consequence, where there are no absolutes, except the evil of those who do not subscribe to your point of view. Its a disease that makes you believe in equality of outcome rather than equlity of opportunity. Its a disease that seeks to reward effort rather than accomplishment. Its a disease which insists upon the redistribution of wealth to create equality. It is a disease which makes you believe that you (and everyone else) are incapable of self sufficiency and that dependance on the government is the only answer. It is a disease that make you trust in the wisdom of men in black robes, rather thatn the expressed (vote) will of the people. Its a disease that makes you believe that your enemies, who have sworn your death, would change their minds, if they only know you, and you could sit around a campfire and sing Kumaya.
19. phnx | May 26th, 2008 at 11:23 am
Kumbaya
20. Pain | May 26th, 2008 at 11:23 am
17. FmrMarine | May 26th, 2008 at 10:32 am
As a Christian Conservative protest why do not you refuse to go to this jobsite? Which is more important to you your paycheck and your job or your “values?”
21. FmrMarine | May 26th, 2008 at 11:43 am
pain
to stupid to even reply to…….as USUAL.
22. Pain | May 26th, 2008 at 11:59 am
21. FmrMarine | May 26th, 2008 at 11:43 am
Ah, We see because your materialist existence is more important than your religious or politically ideological beliefs. That puts you in the mainstream of most Theocons, in good times you can beat your chests about issues like abortion and gay marriage but when your lifestyles are threatened there is little room for trivia such as “values.” The buck stops here We suppose.
It must be nice to take your beliefs on and off like a sport coat.
Sad.
23. neocon | May 26th, 2008 at 5:33 pm
Pain,
Why is it always all or nothing for conservatives while liberals live in the permanent gray areas?
Liberals can lie and deceive just as long as it’s about sex, or if the end justify the means. Liberals can restrict the speech they disagree with under the guise of political correctness. Liberals can undermine the secuirty of the United States under the guise of patriotism. Liberals can be for something one day and against it the next depending on the audience. Liberals can vote for something and then root for it’s defeat.
But if a conservative dare have to swallow his pride and values in order to support his family and put food on the table, well then they’re liars and hypocrites.
How is that Pain? Could it be a double standard?
24. neocon | May 26th, 2008 at 5:54 pm
The following is an interesting read:
http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/05/26/america/26clinton.php
First of all, the media is doing everything it can to bury the more experienced woman candidate who has more popular votes than the under-qualified man
Secondly, this clearly demonstrates the compassion of liberals, and even towards one of their own. Ouch.
25. Casper | May 26th, 2008 at 6:00 pm
Interesting neocon, there isn’t a single thing you say about liberals that one couldn’t say about conservatives. I guess both sides are more alike than either wants to admit.
26. neocon | May 26th, 2008 at 6:10 pm
One little difference Casper. Conservatives are usually held to account on the above transgressions. Democrats are usually re-elected, or appointed to nice committee positions.
However, Pains post was directed towards a civilian, not a politican.
27. Casper | May 26th, 2008 at 6:26 pm
“One little difference Casper. Conservatives are usually held to account on the above transgressions. Democrats are usually re-elected, or appointed to nice committee positions.”
Nice talking point. It works great until someone brings up names like Vitter or Libby. Then you come back with Jefferson and Sandy Berger and then it turns into a pissing contest with both sides having lots of ammunition.
Sorry, both sides are the same.
28. Some Assembly Required | May 26th, 2008 at 6:27 pm
Casper, spot on, I couldn’t agree more.
Neocon,
President Bill Clinton (A democratic president) was impeached because he lied about Oral Sex.
President Richard Nixon (A republican president) resigned because of Watergate.
Try again.
29. neocon | May 26th, 2008 at 6:34 pm
Clinton remained in office.
Nixon left.
I rest my case.
Casper,
I don’t deny there are scoundrels in the GOP. But for the most part, Republicans typically take it on the chin and leave. That’s why I used the word “usually”, there are exceptions.
But Democrats really do tend to slide more often. Can you imagine if a Republican had stolen pertinent documents related to an on-going investigation from the National Archives?
30. FmrMarine | May 26th, 2008 at 6:40 pm
painintheass;
You certainally ASSUME a lot and know NOTHING.
Your assertions are meaningless BS.
So if a republican conservative Christian works where you do …….WHY dont YOU quit YOUR job?
This is third grade liberal claptrap garbage,and shows why you belong to the donk party as it is today.
31. Some Assembly Required | May 26th, 2008 at 6:44 pm
Necon, semantics.
You keep saying we argue from a false premise or one that you don’t agree with yet you argue from one your party is guilty of as well. There are not many people I cannot find common ground with but you sir would have to be one of them.
The point of my post in case you missed it was both parties have corruption which reaches to the highest level (the president). You playing it off as one remaining in office after being impeached but the other resigned is ludacris. And thats assuming both indiscretions were of equal value without going into the details surrounding them.
I say throw the book at whoever is guilty of criminal activity regardless of party affiliation. The law does not protect you because you are a republican or a democrat and even to suggest that it does is spitting in the face of the founding fathers of the US.
32. Casper | May 26th, 2008 at 6:49 pm
neocon,
See this is where we get into a pissing contest, and we could do it all night, but to be honest i’m tired of the negative.
Just for the fun of it maybe we could try going the other way. I’ll give you two complements for McCain for every complement you come up with for Obama.
I’ll start. John McCain has a super sense of humor and he is willing to go anywhere to spread his message (I’m thinking SNL and Ellen).
You are up. If you can handle it.
33. neocon | May 26th, 2008 at 7:33 pm
SAR,
Again, sentence structure is important. Secondly, I agree, throw the bums out whoever they are. My point is that, Democrats usually do slide more often. That’s an indisputable fact.
34. neocon | May 26th, 2008 at 7:35 pm
Obama seems to be a relatively intelligent man.
Can I go to recess now?
35. phnx | May 26th, 2008 at 8:09 pm
“President Bill Clinton (A democratic president) was impeached because he lied about Oral Sex.” SAR
You morons always want to make this about sex.
Wrong again…Clinton was impeached because he LIED UNDER OATH. As a lawyer he was an officer of the court. As President he was the No.1 LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER.
Maybe that doesn’t mean much to you as a leftist.
36. phnx | May 26th, 2008 at 8:14 pm
On one hand…
“I say throw the book at whoever is guilty of criminal activity regardless of party affiliation. The law does not protect you because you are a republican or a democrat and even to suggest that it does is spitting in the face of the founding fathers of the US.” sez SAR
Immediately giving the former President a pass for lying under oath. You are a true leftist SAR. Do you not see the contradiction in your own words?
Hoist by your own petard.
37. Pain | May 26th, 2008 at 8:21 pm
26. neocon | May 26th, 2008 at 6:10 pm
That is because the conservatives exist in a realm infused with l’air de parfait, a situation where their values, morality and observances are placed above those of everyone else. This puts your side at quite the disadvantage when you are exposed as just as Human as any Liberal. Civilian Public Servant it matters not, if you use morality as a ladder upon which to climb upon a pedestal then your fall will become greater in direct proportion with the ladder.
38. Casper | May 26th, 2008 at 8:28 pm
neocon,
“Obama seems to be a relatively intelligent man.”
I would say the same about McCain. In fact, I would love to have the chance to go to sit down and have a conversation with either one.
Oh, I teach middle school. We don’t do recess.
39. Some Assembly Required | May 26th, 2008 at 8:32 pm
Neocon, I never pretended to be an English major. Ok, we both agree corrupt officials should be held accountable regardless of party. Everything after that is irrelevant.
Phnx, when did I give Clinton a pass? I said Clinton lied. I even equated his indiscretions to Nixon’s. No apology necessary.
40. Pain | May 26th, 2008 at 8:34 pm
30. FmrMarine | May 26th, 2008 at 6:40 pm
We would not have to leave Our job . . .
. . . because We understand your perceived right to not be offended is not greater than the protected Constitutional rights in actions legal, for every Several Man in America to pursue happiness.
Therefore . . .
You miss the point entirely. Christian conservatives hold their values as being the ONLY solution to many social ills of the day and many things enjoyed by the masses that are ills only in their minds, It is the word ONLY that We have a problem with.
We do not wear Our values on Our sleeve if We had sleeves and thus there is a double standard in effect here. However, unlike your double standard against same sex marriage or the rights of transgendered people to work without ridicule or reprimand not related to their work performance, We Ourselves do no harm by accepting the rights of people to PURSUE HAPPINESS.
Rude words, insults, banal musings all the ruminations of the boor but We would defend your right to call Us names with Our very lives if necessary because this is what free peoples, both citizens of Constitutional Monarchies and Free Republics do.
Your party is suffering because you have become the intolerant party of censorship, restriction of civil liberties and to use a pop culture phrase, “the fun police.”
41. neocon | May 26th, 2008 at 9:07 pm
Pain,
You’re confusing the Christian Right with conservatives, and is only about 10% of the base.
Secondly, They have always held those values up as high standards to achieve to live a good life, knowing full well that many fall short.
The question is, why are you against trying to raise the bar of morality?
42. Pain | May 26th, 2008 at 9:24 pm
41. neocon | May 26th, 2008 at 9:07 pm
From Our observation morality is what you do when everyone is looking and ethics are what keep you doing what is moral when the lights are off.
We have a very limited view of what should not be allowed and available to adults who through their actions cause no physical or material harm to others. We, Ourselves would legalize drugs now illegal in the United States as well as allowing localities to legalize both gambling and prostitution as these alleged vices would do no more harm legally as they do now illegally. In the long term such measures would be seen as being as reasonable as the end to prohibition. And it would also end the age of incarceration for profit in the United States.
43. Jeremiah | May 26th, 2008 at 9:34 pm
if you use morality as a ladder upon which to climb upon a pedestal then your fall will become greater in direct proportion with the ladder.–Pain.
No, Pain.
Morality is just part of the equation, not all of it.
What is morality? Morality can mean whatever you want it to mean, seeing that it is a concept of right and wrong.
People have different views on what is right and wrong….we place these in two different categories…
The worldly morality (in your case), and Christian morality.
In the worldly morality - People must learn from trial and error, and thus, they have no standard of which to go by…and thus, they say, “This “ok”, and this Ok, and Oh I’ll try this it’s “ok” …. this and that, this and that and they are being tossed too and fro in all their worldly possessions and temptations…
But…what, exactly…is missing? The world can’t comprehend it, can’t see it, can’t feel it…until, turmoil strikes…….too soon, or too late?
Ah Ha! I was blind, but praised God, now I see!
This earth is just temporary, friend, not gonna last forever. We must look to the morality that will save our souls from that dreadful pit of eternal damnation.
44. phnx | May 26th, 2008 at 10:45 pm
SAR,
When a leftist makes the statement “Clinton was impeached for lying about sex” its is generally a pass designed to minimize the President’s act of perjury under oath, by focusing on his peccadillo.
So no apology is required.
45. neocon | May 27th, 2008 at 9:47 am
Pain,
Incarceration for profit????
You haven’t seen the #’s lately.
Prostitution, gambling and drugs can be very harmful to not only those who partake in the activity, but also their loved ones. It can also be a drain on taxpayers when these individuals require medical attention as they most likely do not have insurance.
I do agree that people will continue to do these activities despite the illegality, but legalizing the activity legitimizes it, which in turn may actually promote it, and will do nothing to discourage it.
These activities should continue to be discouraged, not encouraged, as these activities never lead anyone to realize their full potential and a full life.
46. Brett Michaels | May 27th, 2008 at 11:51 am
phnx | May 26th, 2008 at 7:49 am
OBTW: what have I done lately? I am at my vacation home preparing my yacht for the summer season. One of the many rewards for a Captain of Industry.
Materialism at its finest.
What have done lately? I havent posted since Thursday because I volunteered at WR over Memorial weekend. Truly rewarding.
47. Pain | May 27th, 2008 at 12:24 pm
43. Jeremiah | May 26th, 2008 at 9:34 pm
We agree there is an Afterlife; where our opinions diverge is you think all can be saved to Paradise and We know that most will not.
Now which is more likely Human? That you will go to Paradise by following the few rules that suit you and being obsessive about the sex lives of other or that there is an Afterlife where you atone for your sins that is quite a bit like life on Terra?
48. phnx | May 27th, 2008 at 3:18 pm
Brett,
Thank you for your service.
I have done my time with 2.5 years and 250 combat missions over North Vietnam. I have also participated in Memorial Day Services in the past.
Forgive me if I enjoy some of the fruits of my labor, developing medical devices which have saved the lives of tens of thousands of people.
In addition I regularly donate these devices to indigent patients around the world, most are babies. As a thanks the families, nurses and doctors frequently send me pictures of the children’s lives which I have saved. That is a reward without measure.
But thank you for your thoughtless comment.
49. Pain | May 27th, 2008 at 3:30 pm
45. neocon | May 27th, 2008 at 9:47 am
So incarcerating petty criminals and thereby making hardened criminals out of them is a better solution to you because that way you know society does not accept someone having fun with a professional sex worker, gambling at poker online or getting high at home?
As these things are illegal now who do you think consumes the most of said services the Middle Class, the Upper Middle Class and the Wealthy or the Poor?
50. phnx | May 27th, 2008 at 3:58 pm
BTW Brett, that was 5 years total service the 2.5 were combat.
51. Brett Michaels | May 28th, 2008 at 3:15 pm
Phnx…
Like I said materialism at it’s finest. When asked what have you done lately…
the first thought that came to your mind:
Getting my yacht ready.
ROFLMAO
Pathetic.