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For Clinton, it Ain’t Over Yet
June 1st, 2008 at 12:05pm Mark Noonan
NRO got a statement from the Clinton campaign about the delegate decisions…and it ended with this:
We reserve the right to challenge this decision before the Credentials Committee and appeal for a fair allocation of Michigan’s delegates that actually reflect the votes as they were cast.
A credentials fight at the convention. As noted earlier, there are efforts in the Obama camp to ease Hillary out, but I don’t thin she wants to be eased out. They are going to have to force her out, and the only way to do that is to have Obama secure a majority of delegates as if FL and MI were fully represented at the convention…in other words, I don’t see Hillary quitting even if Obama gets to 2025…he’ll have to go 100 above that, and I don’t think he’ll be able to do it, because as long as Hillary hasn’t conceded, there will be some superdelegates who will stick with her no matter what, and others too afraid to vote against her (they don’t know what Obama will do if they don’t help him out, but anyone in politics over the past 16 years knows the sorts of things Hillary WILL do to them if she’s crossed).
I don’t see this ending on Tuesday - certainly not before late June.
UPDATE: Hillary wins Puerto Rico by a convincing margin. Obama is still acting as if he won. Does this work to Obama’s advantage? I mean this treating Hillary as a negligible quantity and all this orchestrated talk about how Hillary has to back out? Does it make Obama seem strong, or does it make him seem disrespectful of a gallant opponent? Contemptuous of Hillary’s continuingly ardent supporters? The MSM is entirley on Obama’s side here (the linked AP story calls Hillary’s win today “largely symbolic”), but I wonder if Obama is getting into an echo-chamber much as Kerry did in 2004 and doesn’t understand that outside his ardent supporters, he’s a much diminished figure?
Entry Filed under: Campaign 2008, Democrats
31 Comments
1. Danish Artist | June 1st, 2008 at 7:17 am
left_wing_realist (yeah right!) has changed his name from carpe-diem, I see.
Hey dude, you’re still not on topic!
Back on topic…..
Here we go again. The Dems disenfranchise another block of voters to get the desired outcome they want and not the one the people may have handed out. Again, as in 2000, they have put the desired outcome over the process.
The lemmings are going to fall for it again.
2. Cavalor Epthith, Esquire, D.S.V.J. | June 1st, 2008 at 8:12 am
3. Danish Artist | June 1st, 2008 at 7:17 am
Disenfranchise whom? Just wait until Ron Paul gets to the GOP convention in the Twin Cities and we shall see my friend what disenfranchisement really means.
3. SEW | June 1st, 2008 at 8:48 am
We have Operation Chaos to thank. Thanks Rush. Special thanks to Howie Screamin Dean and the DNC. And thank you Barry Hussein. You are what you are.
And remember, Barry did not have relations with that Church.
4. Danish Artist | June 1st, 2008 at 9:21 am
Cav,
Ron Paul?
Are his delegates going to be simply tossed out as in the case of Michigan and Florida?
I don’t think so.
Apples and oranges or why don’t you elaborate?
5. neocon | June 1st, 2008 at 9:31 am
left wing realist (oxymoron) labels fmr marine and Mark as racists for using a proper descriptive term of Husseins enthnicity. He then hopes to deny the right of free speech to each of them.
That is what liberals have become. Over reactive marxists.
6. neocon | June 1st, 2008 at 10:00 am
Democrat Campaign - $50 million
Democrat Convention - $100 million
Democrat Voter Disenfranchisement - Priceless
“How can you call yourselves Democrats if you don’t count the vote?” one man in the audience shouted before being escorted out by security. “This is not the Democratic Party!”
7. FmrMarine | June 1st, 2008 at 11:58 am
Neo
the banned poster racist brett michaels is now robo disrupting as several “new” posters and as easy to see through as OB church.
He is “outraged” by b HUSSEIN being a mullato while posting this poison.
here it comes | June 1st, 2008 at 3:06 am
Jereemiah,
As a supposed Christian do you consider that a decent way to refer to someone of mixed race? Would you have the nerve to ask a black person to their face if they were a mulatto? You are clearly so ignorant that you possibly would. I’d love to see the whupping that would be doled out to your redneck dumb ass if you did.
Furthermore, that noted child molester FMR Marine used mulatto as a pejorative, ie an insult - including it in a list of other insults aimed at Barack Obama. Do you think there is something wrong with being of mixed race, Jeremiah? Since you are sticking up for FMR Marine’s usage of the term clearly you do, you racist piece of shit. I would love to take the Bible you cling to on this blog every day and ram it down your santimonious throat. You Christian Taleban fuck-tard.
Sew …..LOL
I may have to borrow that for a bumper sticker!
8. catty | June 1st, 2008 at 1:12 pm
Isn’t name calling something you leatned not to do in kindergarten? Yhe fact that you call MR Obama a mulatto is correct,his mother is white,finally you accept he’s not black.
I wish just 1 clinton sypporter admit she made mistakes with her campaign.
She starts of with the following:name recognition,20plus ponts ahead in the polls,more money in the bank than Obama.a sizable delegate lead coming into the primaries,and even though NOT true she ran on experience…what happened
9. catty | June 1st, 2008 at 1:38 pm
When Bill cheated on Hillary with the intern Rev Wright was the pastor he went ot for his sexual addition problem.
Rush Limbaugh ,on 5-8-08 said to his listeners,that Hillary shopped the rev wright video to ALL the media outlets including Hannity and Colmes,finally Brian Ross at Abc took the bait.He said even though the muslim clain isn’t true she forwarded it through email.All of us know the repugnicans wanted to run aganist Hillary.
Why did they want hillary? Here’s some inf for you.
www.paulvclinton.com this case was posted on politico.com on 4-25-08. She and Bill are in a lot of trouble for the latgest case Ever of election fruad. The judge said he would wait til after the nov election so as to not tank her presidential bid.
Youtube.com search thr following:
the clinton chronicles 1-11,the mena connection,bosnia and back again.hillary’s baggage.hillary the movie 1-9
Don’t take my word look up the info for yourself,the people are corrupt.
SO THAT YOU COULD GET THIS INFO LIVES WERE LOST.
10. Cavalor Epthith, Esquire, D.S.V.J. | June 1st, 2008 at 2:10 pm
4. Danish Artist | June 1st, 2008 at 9:21 am
If Ron Paul is given a chance to speak this becomes a non issue because everyone at the convention knows that McCain is not a conservative in the vein that most of the GOP supporters here are. If he is kept away from the podium totally [that word will be out two days prior to the convention] expect Paul delegates to raise a tremndous ruckus at the convention including saying they are being disenfrachised by their own party.
Ron Paul has the ability to cause far more problems for John McCain than Hillary Clinton can cause for Barack Obama
11. Cavalor Epthith, Esquire, D.S.V.J. | June 1st, 2008 at 2:12 pm
5. neocon | June 1st, 2008 at 9:31 am
I agree neocon because from january 21, 2009 on you will be calling Barack Obama Mister President. That is all that matter to us on this end.
12. catty | June 1st, 2008 at 2:23 pm
How about the fact that Hillary, again didn’t keep her word about Fl and Mi not counting, Until she needed the votes then she made that a talking point. I have it on good authority because she brought up the gas tax holiday (Pander,by the time it made it through congress summer would be over..duh,)boming Iran,the Fl and Mi vote( she signed a pledge not to count,then put her party out to dry,when she needed the votes) the race baiting she and Bill carried out,(liik at all the racial hatred for what,)and giving the reason for staying in the race was just incase (assassination) something happened to Obama. This is why the democratic party is angry with her campaign.
If you take a look at the insane amount of money both campaigns raised,Why was Hillary bankrupt in Jan ,with 5 months left to campaign.Cinton hired Marc Penn,who didn’t understand the democratic allocation of delegates ,was different from the repugnicans who have winner take all.
Is this who you want to mange the US budget. It has been said, in the nyt that the wasteful way she blew money borders on fraud,her donnors are livid with her mismanagement of funds.
13. neocon | June 1st, 2008 at 2:29 pm
Cav,
Where in my post #5 did I refer to Obama? And “ALL THAT MATTERS TO YOU IS OBAMA BEING PRESIDENT”???????
Wow, what an empty vessel you are. Are the pages in your Obama book sticky?
14. catty | June 1st, 2008 at 2:30 pm
Guess who’s responsible for the Catholic priest video…yes you guessed it right our dirty campaigner Hillary…How much lower will she go?In the ninties didn’t America have enough with the Clinton scandals and investigations? AMERICA DOESN’T HAVE DYNASTY’S WE DON’T NEED BUSH CLINTON ONLY.SPREAD IT AROUND.
15. catty | June 1st, 2008 at 2:50 pm
Who’s minister EVER runs the country. We have a little thing called separation of church an state,remember,He’s not bound to ANY minister!!!
When JFK was running to be president ,some in the Us, were worried that the pope (Vatican) would
be ruling America,because he belonged to that group. When he took office, IT DIDN’T HAPPEN.~
16. Mark Noonan | June 1st, 2008 at 3:02 pm
Catty,
So, your point is that Hillary is responsible for a lot of Obama’s problems? Have to agree with you there - in my “in box” I started to get a whole bunch of really interesting tid-bits about Obama, and as I recall they only started coming in as Obama became a real threat to Hillary’s chances…I figure it was Hillary’s oppo people spreading the word around. Fair? Not really - but necessary, in a sense, because the MSM is bound and determined that Obama wins, and thus without someone doing oppo research, none of this would have come out until after the election, which isn’t fair to the American people.
17. Macker | June 1st, 2008 at 4:03 pm
Danish Artist: you may have a point if Ron Paul had more or less an even split with McCain in terms of delegates…but he doesn’t. Last time I checked, he had all of a whopping 19 delegates!
Paul’s 18th-Century isolationist libertarianism just won’t cut it in the 21st, not with the Islamofascists as the real threat
18. Danish Artist | June 1st, 2008 at 4:23 pm
Cav, if Ron Paul does not speak because he or his supporters want him to (not everyone gets to speak at the convention) then his voters are disenfranchised?
That compares to tossing out delegates for Michigan and Florida. Maybe that works in your little world of western Asian hell but not in this reality.
19. catty | June 1st, 2008 at 4:26 pm
Check out www.dailykos.com on the menu on the right side look for “who’s really behind the hillaryis 44 website.”Ben Smith (at www.politico.com) found out these democrats are the PAWNS for a non Hillary supporter in NY named alex rodriguiez(A repugnican,) not the ball player,(if you click the link ,they show you his picture and give all the goods. Democrats are being spoon fed by repugnicans to make them vote for “McSame.”
REPUGNICANS ARE GOOD WITH TABLOID POLITICS they get you revived up on non issues and voila ,you pull the lever aganist your own intrest every time.
On this site Obama’s race is the issue,will not voting for him help with the gas at the pump,or the foreclosure rate,or universal health care, supreme court appointments,NO,but if they keep you focused on NON Issues( how they keep you stuck in stupid) and keep you emotional (i.e. Hillary’s loss,Obama’s ex minister,his mixed heritage) you give them want they want,YOUR VOTE FOR “MCBUSH.” Then when the dust settles and you finally understand how you were mannipulated your’re
stuck with 4 more years of Bush and the Repugnicans,will say mission acomplished…we got the stupid fools again!!!
20. Mark Noonan | June 1st, 2008 at 4:29 pm
Catty,
Yeah, whatever…but I note that it is you, coming here, to call us “repugnicans”…we aren’t going in to your world to insult you, but you come into ours to insult us…who is really the person being nasty here?
21. phnx | June 1st, 2008 at 4:30 pm
Catty,
No one here, except for some dem trolls, ever wanted Hillary as President. What you have posted is great info, and useful for whoever chooses to unseat her in her bid to be re-elected to the senate. At that point we can all breath a sign of relief knowing that the Clinton era is finished.
22. catty | June 1st, 2008 at 4:37 pm
Mark Noonan,the original, “Obama is a Muslim email,”was created by an Ex cCa operative who name was kept out of the report because lives of contacts he’s worked with would be compromised. He started the email,Hillary forwarded it. People don’t even KNOW how they are being jerked around in this election year…no IDEA!
They are stuck on race instead of who’s going to make your life better
23. phnx | June 1st, 2008 at 4:42 pm
Re: Hillary’s continued quest…it is my understanding that the superdelegates can change their minds anytime up until the actual vote at the convention. So in the spirit of Operation Chaos, press on Hillary.
To paraphrase the famous words of Democrat Presidential candidate George McGovern, speaking of his running mate Tom Eagleton, just days before he threw him under the bus (A time honored Dem tradition): I’m behind you “1000 percent”
24. catty | June 1st, 2008 at 4:54 pm
FYI,
I’m not a republican or a Democrat,I’m too smart for that,if you were under that impression.I’m educated in how politics work.
I do hope you pass the Hillary info around,she needs to lose her seat in NY.Too many people (if you viewed the info i provided above) were murdered for that loathsome duo.
I have another bombshell for you,but you are going to have to look it up.
Google :Bill clinton’s love child. you will find he has a half black son living in australia,in private school. The kid is the product of a liason Bill had with a black prostitute…that’s right,in the late 80’s,before he was president.The kid looks like Bill with a tan. where did i hear about this you ask,I first heard about it at www.dailymail.co.uk,they have a bevy of Clinton stories on their site you can view,however they now have restricted the access to the story.Google has the same info,exact.
EVERYBODY AROUND THE WORLD, SEES THEM FOR WHO THEY ARE… CORRUPT CRIMINALS`
25. catty | June 1st, 2008 at 5:31 pm
check out this site www.guardian.co.uk it’s about Hillary and her concession this week.
26. phnx | June 1st, 2008 at 9:04 pm
Catty
Checkout this attack piece on Obama, by a Dem who is not an Obama supporter:
http://www.counterpunch.org/gonzalez02292008.html
27. catty | June 1st, 2008 at 9:42 pm
I’m not an Obama supporter either,FYI
28. Dennis | June 2nd, 2008 at 12:11 am
Deleted - complains about comment policy.
29. phnx | June 2nd, 2008 at 1:04 am
Can”t you Brits find your own site on which to rant?
30. catty | June 2nd, 2008 at 9:37 pm
Looks like Hillary is out,no matter what after Tues.Puerto Rico didn’t come through for her,very low turnout.
31. tom | June 3rd, 2008 at 2:40 am
I think it is great that the mighty clinton machine is over. Stick a fork in Hillary, she is done…