This Will Kill, ‘Cause a Cure is Too Expensive
June 7th, 2008 at 09:27am Mark Noonan
The future of “health” care if liberals get their way:
An Oregon woman suffering from lung cancer was notified by the state-run Oregon Health Plan that their policy would not cover her life-extending cancer drug, telling her the health plan would cover doctor-assisted suicide instead.
Barbara Wagener discovered her lung cancer had recurred last month, the Register-Guard said. Her oncologist prescribed a drug called Tarceva, which could slow the cancer growth and extend her life.
The Oregon Health Plan notified Wagner that it would not cover the drug, but it would cover palliative care, which it said included assisted suicide.
“Treatment of advanced cancer that is meant to prolong life, or change the course of this disease, is not a covered benefit of the Oregon Health Plan,” said the letter Wagner received from LIPA, the Eugene company that administers the Oregon Health Plan in Lane County.
“I think it’s messed up,” Wagner said. She said she was particularly upset because the letter said doctor-assisted suicide would be covered.
“To say to someone, we’ll pay for you to die, but not pay for you to live, it’s cruel,” she said. “I get angry. Who do they think they are?”
A doctor appealed to Genentech, the company that markets Tarceva in the U.S., to cover Wagner’s medication. On Monday Wagner was told the company would cover the drug treatment for a year, after which she could re-apply for the drug.
“I am just so thrilled,” Wagner said. “I am so relieved and so happy.”
This is the inevitible outcome of government-run health care. You can talk all you want about greedy insurance companies, but the greediest and most Scrooge-like in existence is still afraid of a lawsuit…the government isn’t; and when it comes to budget-time, the need to provide care for the ill is balanced against the need to provide pay raises and perks for the people who run the government health care system. Guess which will come out on top?
There is no perfect solution, ever, in human affairs - given the fallen nature of mankind, there will always be laziness, sloppiness, greed and all the normal human vices. Mixed in, of course, with human greatness…but to think that you can fix a problem for good and all is stupd. And, finally, the larger a human enterprise is - the more it tries to do, that is - the more likely it is to fail. Trying to figure out what everyone from newborn to elderly needs for health care is beyond the capability of any human being, or even any group of human beings.
Obama and his Democrats propose to fix the problem. McCain and his Republicans propose to work out systems which will allow people to fix themselves up with health care. Obama’s program, however crafted not only will not work but it cannot work. McCain’s will work as well as can be achieved in human affairs. We have our choice this November - I choose to work with humanity as it is, not as liberals wish it were.
Entry Filed under: Campaign 2008, Democrats, General Government, Life Issues, Republicans, Social Issues
38 Comments
1. SEW | June 7th, 2008 at 10:15 am
That is the only way to decrease cost—cut services. All the liberals cry about the high price of US healthcare, I do too sometimes. The difference, I am not gullible enough to beleive Socialist Obama will in any way fix or cure the “problem.” A new set of problems will arise–witholding services. There is wasteful spending as Ted Kennedy once again demonstrates his rules do not apply to him or his family. In Cuba, Ted Kennedy would not have even received an MRI, much less hundreds of thousands of dollars of surgery and post op care. Total bill in Cuba? An office visit and aspirin if it could be found.
2. Carlton Pryor, Lead Economist, TED-OG | June 7th, 2008 at 10:21 am
Mr Noonan,
I’m confused. Why won’t Obama’s health care plane work exactly merely because he’s a Democrat?
3. neocon | June 7th, 2008 at 10:46 am
1. When has the government EVER fixed ANYTHING?
2. “State run Oregon Health Plan”? I thought there was no health care available for the those who couldn’t pay the high premiums. Evidently, each state does have a form of UHC. Huh? Have the liberals been lying?
3. And an eeeevil Pharma company is DONATING the drug to her, instead the always benevolent government????? Huh.
4. Some Assembly Required | June 7th, 2008 at 11:52 am
Mark,
The government would cover doctors visits and hospital visits. Emergency surgery’s, broken bones, etc. would be covered by the government plan. Prescription and other drugs needed would be covered by private insurance companies. So, everyone gets the emergency care if/when they need it without having to mortgage their homes and insurance companies still get there money. It’s a system that easily works with the system that is in place right now. Also, Obama is only making his healthcare plan mandatory for children. Everyone else can opt out if they want.
5. neocon | June 7th, 2008 at 12:02 pm
SAR,
So Obama is proposing to give to Americans what the illegal immigrants enjoy now?
I know, how about if we address our illegal immigration problem and then let the states continue to administer, and/or expand their current programs?
peace,neocon
6. Some Assembly Required | June 7th, 2008 at 1:02 pm
Neocon,
Obama has quite the realistic plan for Illegals too. Maybe you should check it out over at his website
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/immigration/
Nice deflection though.
7. Casper | June 7th, 2008 at 2:05 pm
The obvious question is; Would McCain’s plan have covered this lady’s cancer? From what I’ve read about McCain’s plan, it wouldn’t even cover McCain. How is McCain’s plan better?
8. Tractatus | June 7th, 2008 at 2:47 pm
I’m confused. Why won’t Obama’s health care plane work exactly merely because he’s a Democrat?
Let me bring you up to speed on how Noonan gets to these weird statements. In his world:
1. There is no such thing as a liberal Christian (anybody who is described as such either isn’t really a liberal or isn’t really a Christian)
2. Because they aren’t Christian, liberals don’t believe in the fall of man as depicted in the story about the garden of Eden.
3. Because they don’t believe in the Eden fable, their entire worldview is built upon a lie.
4. Because their entire worldview is built upon a lie, they cannot possibly be right about anything, anywhere, at any time.
5. Because they can’t be right about anything, any proposed health care plan from somebody perceived as a liberal is, by Noonan definition, wrong.
You may think I’m making this up. Sadly, I am not.
9. Danish Artist | June 7th, 2008 at 5:05 pm
None of these Obamaniacs will tell us how the Obamessiah’s plan will work?
Do they know how it will work?
After dealing with FEMA, the Small Business Administration and Medicare for some relatives, there is no way I want these bureaucrats and government workers handling my health.
All countries that have government run healthcare have to limit services (as in above) in order to keep it solvent and running. The ones that require serious care suffer under their plans.
No power of government can magically lower prices by simple taking over, unless they force doctors’ and pharmacists’ fee reductions. This will stifle achievement and excellence. The same thing will happen with pharmaceuticals. Rationing will be the order of the day.
Rationing, like we saw in the 70s, when government price controls were in effect.
10. Timothy Horrigan | June 7th, 2008 at 5:24 pm
You hear these stories about private health insurers too. Michael Moore made a whole movie called Sicko which told several stories much worse than this one. (Yeah, Moore does have his own point of view…. but his stories were TRUE. Even the private health companies have tacitly admitted that they were true.)
It is unavoidable having some bureaucracy… a single payer national health plan would at least be a bureaucracy which is accountable to those they serve and which would have no one to pass the buck to. And, in Obama’s plan, it would not micromanage care the way existing plans do.
11. js | June 7th, 2008 at 5:27 pm
actually tractus, the liberals support abortion…the christians do not…hence…you cant be both…or hows it work….you can not serve two masters….you either serve the flesh….or you serve God…there is no in between…
12. js | June 7th, 2008 at 5:31 pm
creating a true, non profit health insurance company strictly self regulated would put most other health insurance companies out of business…ecspecially if the non profit took any and all of its excess cash flow and used it to buy hospitals so they can control and limit the excessive waste found is so many of them….it would essentially be by the people, for the people, which iis something that our government has serious problems with….
13. Timothy Horrigan | June 7th, 2008 at 5:39 pm
The Oregon Health Plan, BTW, is evidently a barebones plan designed for the “deserving” poor… for people who don’t quite qualify for Medicare/Medicaid but who can’t get private insurance. It was of course designed and administered by middle and upper class people who don’t in most cases qualify for the plan and who also (still) in most cases have better plans available to them.
As such, it is far more restrictive than plans designed by people who themselves use the service. It excludes a lot of wellness services which would be included in Obama’s plan and which are included in most plans actually used by middle and upper class people.
To quote the official web site ( http://www.oregon.gov/DHS/healthplan/app_benefits/ohp4u.shtml ):
What is not covered?
Treatment for conditions that get better on their own, like colds
Conditions that have no useful treatment
Treatments that are not generally effective
Cosmetic surgeries
Gender changes
Services to help you get pregnant
Weight loss programs
14. Doug | June 7th, 2008 at 7:36 pm
js,
I know a lot of liberals who do not support abortion and I know a handful of conservatives who do support abortion. I don’t know any Christians who support abortion and I do know atheists who oppose abortion.
The main problem with a govt. mandated health insurance in the form of an Obama or Romneycare, is that even if they try to keep it barebones, over time congress will just add and add and add to it. In a matter of a few years, it will be Oregon, Canada, or Hillarycare.
I see no need for any additional govt. funded insurance over what the states and Feds currently supply, except for possibly catastrophic coverage. That could kick in at some large amount of out-of-pocket expense - say $15,000 per year and could be ran through private insurance companies and paid for through a surtax on elective medical procedures. In that case, those who are decreasing the supply of essential medical service by increasing the demand of non-essential practices, would be footing the bill in a sort of elective manner.
However, with all the govt. and employer paid insurances out there causing such a huge demand for medical practice, it’s no wonder the costs keep going through the roof. Decrease demand and increase supply - that’s what needs done, kind of the opposite of what Romneycare, Hillarycare and Obamacare promise to do.
15. kjstrouble | June 8th, 2008 at 1:20 am
Looking at the fraud that is so often part of Medicare, I wonder why anyone would want to give the government control of health care. What I would prefer is a process where the tax breaks that companies get for offering health care would be given to individuals. Let individuals form groups, and carry their own insurance, taking tax breaks for it. Employers might lose the tax break, but they would also lose the expense of covering part of the cost. Maybe then I could get a real pay raise?
16. Evergreen | June 8th, 2008 at 9:46 am
This is the same old conservative song and dance. They keep telling us at nausea the government does not work. But if you look deep Reagan, Bush I and Bush II and their cronies placed incompetent after incompetent at such post as FEMA, Energy, Education, Treasury, National Security and Banking to make sure the government fails. In the end this process of hiring incompetents leads to government failures which rallies the support of the repug lemmings who never offer solutions but only issue complaints. Come January there will be an old fashion housecleaning of the neocons and the Republican incompetents.
17. Eric T | June 8th, 2008 at 11:32 am
Encouraging Suicide is wrong, Imagine when you are older, you’ve had a few surgeries, your not working and contributing to the taxes anymore, The Pro-death Leftists, label you dead skin on society, a burden to the hospital and tax-payers, and encourage you to get pull the plug so they can operate on those who are still useful to work and generate tax revenue.
Government run health care could be a pork pipeline to choosen businesses
Doctors and Hospitals probably too often over charge insurance companies.
If we look into hospital/doctors visits are you seeing an asprin billed out at $8 bucks, a nurse coming in to fluff the pillow charging $250.00.
This here may seem small but, is it?
A guy wakes up late for work, calls in sick, his employer demands a doctors note for proof he was sick. What happened was the employee had to make an un-needed, trip to the doctors, to cover an excuse to miss work. The doctor makes out just fine, pads the bill with x-rays and all kinds of expensive stuff, because the insurance is covering it. The insurance companies get soaked on stuff like this.
18. Mark Noonan | June 8th, 2008 at 11:59 am
Timothy,
A single-payer bureaucracy is accountable only to itself…the worst thing in the world is a government bureaucracy because they can hide behind civil service protections and keep their jobs no matter how lousy they are (see public schools and the DMV as prime examples). Whatever problems non-government plans have, government plans have them worse…and not just a little worse.
Your primary problem is that you search for solutions when there aren’t any - humans aren’t mathematical. All we can do is set up systems where people, if they will bestir themselves, can take care of themselves and their own, with provisions made for those who are physically incapable of so doing.
19. Mark Noonan | June 8th, 2008 at 12:02 pm
Timothy,
Oh, and there is such a thing as charity - helping those who are less fortunate…but this can’t be done by you voting for Democrats who promise to take the burden off your hands….YOU have to do it. It might be inconvenient and it will cost you some out of pocket money, but charity is commanded by God…and he didn’t say “cast your taxpayer funded bread upon the waters”…
20. FmrMarine | June 8th, 2008 at 12:12 pm
>>>The Oregon Health Plan notified Wagner that it would not cover the drug, but it would cover palliative care, which it said included assisted suicide.<<<
I wonder is ole teddy K. was offered the same procedure?
21. SEW | June 8th, 2008 at 12:35 pm
“Doctors and Hospitals probably too often over charge insurance companies.”
If doctors charge $250 or $25 for an office visit, they still get paid $22 for the office visit by the insurance company and bound by law to not collect the difference. More and more will hang it up not even able to meet current or increasing overhead. Reimbursement is determined by a very flawed formula. If total patient volume increases 15% year over year, next year reimbursement decreases by 15% per patient, plus a 1% “increase” if lucky, for a net 14% decrease per patient. Hospital charges and reimbursement are a different story, their lobby is stronger and their principles are MBA driven.
22. Casper | June 8th, 2008 at 12:40 pm
So once again, how would McCain’s plan have been better for this lady?
23. Danish Artist | June 8th, 2008 at 10:10 pm
Ever green,
“But if you look deep Reagan, Bush I and Bush II and their cronies placed incompetent after incompetent at such post as FEMA, Energy, Education, Treasury, National Security and Banking to make sure the government fails.”
Uh, the heads of those agencies are not the reasons for incompetence and failure, but the workers who stay from administration to administration.
I am one who has had to deal with FEMA, SBA and Medicare. I do not communicate with the appointees. I communicate and deal with the average civil service worker who in most cases just want to collect a government paycheck for little or no work. Guess what, the government labor union makes it where a person not doing their job will never lose it! The only way these people can lose their job is to commit a felony!!!
I have had to work with these agencies during the Clinton administration and the Bush administration and there was no difference in the incompetence and bureaucracy between the two administrations.
You are a fool to believe otherwise.
Casper,
McCain - we would be empowered over our health care.
Obama - the government would be empowered over our health care.
And you are having trouble seeing this? oh, that’s right, you are a government school indoctrinator er, teacher.
24. Timothy Horrigan | June 8th, 2008 at 10:19 pm
Mark said:
“A single-payer bureaucracy is accountable only to itself…the worst thing in the world is a government bureaucracy because they can hide behind civil service protections and keep their jobs no matter how lousy they are (see public schools and the DMV as prime examples).”
I see your point, Mark… however, I live in the real world. I have even worked for the government, as well, so maybe my perception is skewed by the fact that the agencies I worked for (the Army Corps of Engineers, the Massachusetts Governors office, the Census Bureau, the Post Office, and the University of New Hampshire) all happened to be run by people who were imperfect but who did take their job sseriously and did paid quite a bit of attention to the citizens they tried to serve. It is possible that my particular experiences were atypical.
I have even lived in places where the public schools were pretty good and where the DMV was bearable.
I have also worked for charities which were less than perfect.
Finally, I saw several comments about politicians. And yes, many politicians are idiots. But you know how even the worst ones got to be in office in the first place. Because they were ELECTED, that’s how. Because (vote fraud aside) because they got THE MOST VOTES! And why do they make the decisions they do once in office? Because they are trying to do what’s in the best interests of the people who voted for them!
So unfortunately, Mark, my view of the facts here is radically different from yours. I simply don’t accept the basic premises of your argument.
25. Casper | June 8th, 2008 at 10:40 pm
Danish Artist,
So tell me how McCain’s plan would have empowered Barbara Wagener. How would she have been better off under his plan? I’m guessing that under McCain’s plan she wouldn’t have had any insurance, because she had a preexisting condition. If I’m wrong please show me how.
26. Danish Artist | June 9th, 2008 at 7:03 am
Casper, I see that you have been indoctrinated by the teacher’s unions and have fallen for the “pre-existing condition” myth.
From John McCain:
MYTH: Some Claim That Under John McCain’s Plan, Those With Pre-Existing Conditions Would Be Denied Insurance.
FACT: John McCain Supported The Health Insurance Portability And Accountability Act In 1996 That Took The Important Step Of Providing Some Protection Against Exclusion Of Pre-Existing Conditions.
FACT: Nothing In John McCain’s Plan Changes The Fact That If You Are Employed And Insured You Will Build Protection Against The Cost Of Any Pre-Existing Condition.
FACT: As President, John McCain Would Work With Governors To Find The Solutions Necessary To Ensure Those With Pre-Existing Conditions Are Able To Easily Access Care.
Please stay away from the “advice” of the teacher’s unions (they are the main reason for poor public school education in areas they have the most influence) and other liberal talking points. Investigate for yourself and above all stay away from the kool-aid.
27. Some Assembly Required | June 9th, 2008 at 7:42 am
“FACT: As President, John McCain Would Work With Governors To Find The Solutions Necessary To Ensure Those With Pre-Existing Conditions Are Able To Easily Access Care.”
By pushing a single payer system he is advocating quite the opposite. The single person would have no power. Put it this way, a large company decides to go to a different insurer because they are not satisfied with the coverage of their current one. Thats potentially Hundreds of thousands of dollars of loss for that insurer. Now switch to McCains’ singer payer system, one person gets feed up and looks to switch.. do you really think their insurer is gonna care?
Oh, as for friends getting together to buy insurance as a group, their is a word for that. It’s called a ‘Union’. I thought you people were against anything like that though. Go figure.
28. Casper | June 9th, 2008 at 8:40 am
Danish Artist,
Looks like you drank all of McCain’s kool-aid. McCain’s plan would in fact encourage employers to drop their plans leaving everyone on their own. It also does nothing for those that aren’t currently employed or have jobs that don’t provide insurance.
29. Danish Artist | June 9th, 2008 at 9:29 am
The issue here is health care. Which candidate are you going to go for?
Candidate No. 1.
“I have great faith in the government of the United States. The government has done a wonderful job of protecting the retirement of tens of millions of senior citizens through Social Security, the most successful public program in the history of governance. There are many other tremendous government successes we should be celebrating every day. On the health front we have Medicare, Medicaid and our incredible veteran’s hospitals. We also have the new prescription medicine program without which thousands would certainly die every year. The only way to insure that the citizens of this country have adequate health care is to make sure that the same government that brought us Social Security, Medicaid and Medicare brings us our everyday health care services. The private sector works fine for things and services that people don’t actually need. Essential services, however, must be provided by government. Profits are OK for non-essential goods and services. Nobody should make an obscene profit caring for the health of our nation. In the first 100 days after my election I will begin the process of nationalizing our health care and health insurance industries. To be sure, it will be expensive. But there are thousands of wealth people in this country who each year earn far more money than they actually need. These millionaires owe a debt to the working people of this country who have enriched them. Starting next January 20th, I’ll be the debt collector for the working class.”
Candidate No. 2
“I know that many of you are distressed over the cost of health care, the cost of health insurance and the difficulty some of your fellow citizens have in getting basic medical care. You have been told that the solution is more government. The reality is that the solution is less government. Since World War II our government has been involved in a systematic and deliberate effort to thwart any attempt Americans might make to become self reliant in terms of their own health care. Big-government politicians have created a tax structure whereby your employer can get a big tax write-off for providing you with insurance, but you get no tax break if you buy that insurance policy on your own. The goal here has been to compel you to rely on others for your health insurance rather than yourself. Lobbyists have cajoled state legislatures to add expensive “mandates” to insurance policies, often pricing those insurance policies out of your reach. If, after all, you and your spouse have no plans to procreate, why should you pay for maternity benefits? I understand the power of the competitive free marketplace. Our history is full of examples of explosions in innovation and customer service for many industries when the government gets out of the way. For one example you need look no further than the deregulation of the phone companies. As your president I intend to use the proven power of the free market to make health care more affordable and available to all Americans. No longer will our tax code punish you for assuming the responsibility for your own medical care. Under my reform plans you will be able to put aside thousands of dollars every year, tax free, to cover your basic medical needs. This will enable you to buy insurance policies; policies free of mandates; policies tailored to meet your specific needs. These policies will be substantially cheaper than those available to you today because of the large deductibles your medical savings accounts will allow. History shows when the government gets out of the way of the free marketplace the consumers are the eventual winners. This would include consumers of health care. I’m not interested in giving the government the power to control your health care. I’ll leave that desire to those who believe America is great because of government. My goal will be to get the government out of the way and unleash the power of the marketplace.”
OK … there you go. Two candidates; two messages. Care to cast a vote?
Well I know how SAR (weed and video games) and Casper (teacher union stooge) will vote.
SAR - when the cost of insurance is too high the company is willing to pay, it will switch coverage for a lesser plan. FACT! It happens all the time.
Casper - listening to those myths and talking points again I see. There is “insurance” available for those without. It’s called state run hospitals and health care and those are just so efficient. Let’s put is on a national scale. And, at the same time use the usual liberal tactic of the politics of fear they love so much.
Watching these lemmings, I’d rather watch paint dry.
30. Some Assembly Required | June 9th, 2008 at 10:05 am
“when the cost of insurance is too high the company is willing to pay, it will switch coverage for a lesser plan. FACT! It happens all the time.”
Agreed, but the solution is not to eliminate employer based health insurance so the individual will be vulnerable. A smarter system would be to regulate the minimum amount of coverage required.
What McCain is proposing is a fairy tale plain and simple. What chance does an individual have against a muti-billion dollar insurance company? If you think pre-existing condition exemptions are a problem now, wait until this ’single payer’ system comes into play.
One of two things will end up happening, maybe even both. Insurance companies will refuse to cover more then what they do now. You will see the formation of Healthcare Unions to battle insurance companies.
Healthcare cannot, and will not work as long as it is a profit industry. Everyone on the planet will get sick or need medical attention at some point. To force them to pay for treatment to save their live if not only immoral but it is also unchristian.
31. Danish Artist | June 9th, 2008 at 5:02 pm
“A smarter system would be to regulate the minimum amount of coverage required.”
That’s not what your boy Obama’s plan is!
He wants to nationalize the health industry. So, you are without a candidate who will regulate only.
“Healthcare cannot, and will not work as long as it is a profit industry. Everyone on the planet will get sick or need medical attention at some point.”
Everyone at some point will need legal representation at some point, but I don’t see liberals calling to nationalize that industry as well. Oh, maybe it’s because the trial lawyers make a fortune on frivolous medical lawsuits - another special interest of the democrats.
Forced government regulation will have a worse affect on insurance rates and coverages. When it gets too expensive, something is going to have to give and it will be coverage.
Ted kennedy and the Democrats gave us the HMO system debacle. Why should we entrust them more with a bigger chunk of the pie? They have already screwed with the system and failed miserably.
I see you had too much weed and video games this weekend.
32. Robin Naismith Green | June 9th, 2008 at 5:13 pm
29. Danish Artist | June 9th, 2008 at 9:29 am
Wow you actually were able to cut and paste that whole thing without giving credit to the source. [boortz.com]
That bit of plagiarism aside . . .
And can see why you would distrust the American government on health care considering they have cost you 4100+ lives and trillions of dollars wasted in Iraq and on the “War on terror.”
Something has to be done about health care in America because the Boomers are coming for their entitlement and the young people have to be heathy enough to work hard to keep them on the golf course!
I’m all about a National Health Service just like the British model.
33. Some Assembly Required | June 9th, 2008 at 6:08 pm
DA, First, I never said it was Obama’s plan. My post since you didn’t notice, was a very minor and over simplified suggestion for McCain’s plan.
Obama is not entirely nationalizing heathcare. If he was he would do away with private insurance companies. Not gonna happen. His heath plan is NOT MANDATORY except for Children.
as for this nice little nugget of wisedom..
“Everyone at some point will need legal representation at some point, but I don’t see liberals calling to nationalize that industry as well.”
If you do not break the law, you will not need legal representation. Prison is the only way in which your personal well being is in question. This is assuming of course you have home/car/medical insurance to cover any ridiculous civil suits that may come your way. I also believe it’s written somewhere that ‘If you cannot afford an attorney one will be appointed to you’. Granted, it’ll probably be some reject intern, but everyone can’t afford OJ’s lawyer now can they.
“I see you had too much weed and video games this weekend.”
It was a good weekend. Glad you noticed. I did not play video games though. I was too busy being a ’sexual deviant’ with the girlfriend. Man, she is all kinds of freak and I love it!
34. Danish Artist | June 9th, 2008 at 7:42 pm
“DA, First, I never said it was Obama’s plan. My post since you didn’t notice, was a very minor and over simplified suggestion for McCain’s plan.”
What’s the matter too much token’ in the evening?
I never said it was in Obama’s plan. You are supporting a guy who is not in favor of what you think will work. He wants Nationalized health care for everyone and not just children.
But you seem to think that if someone needs something that no one should profit from it. Your own words. If you can’t see the correlation then stop doing so many doobies.
“It was a good weekend. Glad you noticed. I did not play video games though. I was too busy being a ’sexual deviant’ with the girlfriend. Man, she is all kinds of freak and I love it!”
I thought you said weed did not cause hallucinations?
35. Some Assembly Required | June 10th, 2008 at 8:01 am
“He wants Nationalized health care for everyone and not just children.”
Yes, but he’s not making it mandatory. I support this. I think everyone has a right to healthcare. I really do not see a difference in shooting someone or and insurance company denying them healthcare because of a ‘pre-existing condition’. In fact, it’s probably worse. At least with someone shoots you they’ll only take what is on your person. Insurance companies take your money on a monthly basis and then do not cover you when push comes to shove. How is that not criminal?
“But you seem to think that if someone needs something that no one should profit from it. Your own words. ”
Not when it comes to healthcare they shouldn’t. So you think people should make money on other peoples illness and pain? People should profit from the deaths of others? Explains why you support the war in Iraq without question. What a shining example of a Christian you are.
“I thought you said weed did not cause hallucinations?”
All depends on what’s in the ‘weed’. It’s ok to be jealous of other people, I’m kind of flattered actually.
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