22 Comments

• 1. Sunny  |  June 9th, 2008 at 9:42 am

  Aren’t grandchildren just the greatest?

• 2. Uptown  |  June 9th, 2008 at 10:34 am

  Fox Ambushes Bill Moyers
  http://youtube.com/watch?v=Y_2IZT4VgDY

  Unscripted and unedited; it doesn’t get any better than this.

• 3. SEW  |  June 9th, 2008 at 10:58 am

  Iran’s Supreme leader yesterday told Iraq that Iraq’s main problem is US military presence. Hussein is not even POTUS yet and he has already solved the Iran/Iraq/USA problem. A phone call would settle the dispute.

  Withdraw all troops. What a genius this Obama guy is. Solved the Middle East problem to the 100% satisfaction of Iran before even elected. Cut and Run!

• 4. Sunny  |  June 9th, 2008 at 12:29 pm

  Uptown | June 9th, 2008 at 10:34 am

  That was priceless!

• 5. Robin Naismith Green  |  June 9th, 2008 at 1:23 pm

  I read quite a bit here and on other conservative blogs that have a certain Culture War bone to pick about activist judges and how that relates to abortion especially. I find it odd then that the Burger court that sided with women in their right to choose to have an abortion was a court that was packed with appointments by GOP Presidents 6 and Democratic Party Presidents had appointed only 3. What then is hailed as the most self destructive decision at law made by the SCOTUS was made by one of the most conservative presidents of the 20th Century.

  Curiously, the Warren court to which the Chief Justice was the only appointee that was made by a President other than FDR or Harry Truman was relatively moderate in their decisions including Brown v Board.

  It appears that conservatives with a court packed with Nixon and Eisenhower appointments by a two to one majority legalized abortion in America not “libruls.”

  I wonder why Noonan has never pointed this out. Well I guess that’s because the 45 million murders then would the fault of the GOP at the bottom line if you prefer to look at things that way.

• 6. Mark Noonan  |  June 9th, 2008 at 3:56 pm

  Robin,

  Specious argument - Ike and Nixon were neither of them conservatives. It should be kept in mind that when “Roe” was first decided, it was only a few Catholic organizations which opposed it…even most Evangelicals were either in favor or uninterested.

  Conservatism only rose to power in America in 1980 - prior to that, the appointment of any conservative to any position was rare and the result of pure happenstance. So, you can’t say “appointed by Ike or Nixon” means “conservative appointments”…A Republican pre-Reagan was as likely to be liberal as be conservative. It took us years to gain full control, and this was only accomplished in 1994.

• 7. Robin Naismith Green  |  June 9th, 2008 at 4:15 pm

  6. Mark Noonan | June 9th, 2008 at 3:56 pm

  Of course I can say that and tomorrow in my column I will flesh it out even further to point out how complicit the Right Wing has been in perpetuating abortion in America. But that is another topic at my own blog. For right now I need to address your comments.

  You have to pardon me mark because I took notes as I finsihed up the comment trying to anticipate what the response would be from someone “anti” my comment.

  The point I was trying to make and you have allowed me to make is that what happened after 1979 was not conservatism at all but “theoconservatism.” There would have been no such anger and outrage from real conservatives of the Alf Landon model or the Barry Goldwater model of strong national defese, small government and staying out of the personal lives of citizens. It was replaced by Reagan and his alliance or Big Corporations, Moral Majority and Economic Tweakers.

  I have often read where people tie the Democratic party to its racist Southern roots needing only to go back forty years to find proof. Here, however, you say being GOP is a changing thing and therefore Roe and legalized abortion is still not stacked bloody on their side of the scale. Democrats though have to take ownership of Wallace and Thurmond and all the rest ebcause it is an easy target to try to paint Democrats as the party of racism. Now that is a specious argument.

• 8. Danish Artist  |  June 9th, 2008 at 7:30 pm

  “Of course I can say that and tomorrow in my column…”

  Your column….

  Ha!

  A whole readership of delusional morons who think hell is some lake in Europe/Asia.

  Your column, don’t make me laugh.

  Your point? That is another one. No one can pin you down on a point since you keep deflecting and changing direction, as evidenced in this post.

  Stay in your delusional world and “hell’s newspaper” there you will find mindless morons who wait with baited breath for your next “pearl of wisdom”.

• 9. Robin Naismith Green  |  June 9th, 2008 at 7:44 pm

  8. Danish Artist | June 9th, 2008 at 7:30 pm

  Yes my column DA as in something written with a purpose of presenting an opinion with a factual basis as opposed to the I really don’t know what to call it seafoam that passes for waves? that you.

  Wait a minute if you are so smart why not come to the Dis Brimstone-Daily Pitchfork and debate my friend and fellow writer Ser Kelso. We were just today saying that the readership is up [over 14% this quarter] but most are fearful of commenting because well our gear is tight as the boys in brighton say. And you know me I love some Brighton men!

  Consider it an open invite to anyone who reads here to test their conservative or religious street cred where you don’t have any bunmper guards or helmets. But I’ll warn you we deal in facts not wishes or appeals to “tradition” because if that’s all you’ve got you’ll get smoked!

• 10. Eric T  |  June 9th, 2008 at 8:24 pm

  Check this out!

  http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25025918/?GT1=43001

• 11. Kahn  |  June 10th, 2008 at 12:01 am

  Danish Ahole wrote “A whole readership of delusional morons who think hell is some lake in Europe/Asia.”

  Ha! Danish… YOU’RE a reader, you moron.

  Meanwhile I hear NPR up to their old tricks. Rerading quotes from McCain and playing sound-bites from Obama on the same subject. Must learn that in the “Ethics in Journalism” class at Columbia.

• 12. bongoman  |  June 10th, 2008 at 2:12 am

  Bananas - the atheist’s nightmare.

  Where do they find these guys?

• 13. Danish Artist  |  June 10th, 2008 at 7:29 am

  Been there not much of a challenge plus nobody responded, intelligently anyway.

  You cannot have a debate with delusional people to begin with. That is the failure of the pitchfork, brimstone or whatever.

  Kahn - i don’t believe in their fictional hell. I use that delusional information against them.

• 14. Pain  |  June 10th, 2008 at 7:44 am

  13. Danish Artist | June 10th, 2008 at 7:29 am

  And at exactly what time did you make a comment to which no one responded Danish Artist?

  We are well grounded in all manner of subjects that grow out of the fertile soil of Metaphysics and if you fear discourse with Us any of the other learned journalists at the Dis Brimstone-Daily Pitchfork would be delighted to have a go at any time. You left no comment as none of Our comment lists or the redirection to Our e-mail show anyone listed as “Danish Artist” or “anonymous” or any other name that has not been cross referenced and read in the last 21 hours admist a flurry of other comments and inquiries.

  A lesser being than We would call you a liar but this is not Our style. Feel free to comment at hell_direct_line@yahoo.com or in the comments field of any post and someone will respond within fifteen minutes.

  Qu’ul cuda praedex nihil!

• 15. Quietriot  |  June 10th, 2008 at 7:59 am

  “Today’s increase in the unemployment rate reflects the fact that unusually large numbers of students and graduates are entering the labor market.” Secretary of Labor Elaine Chao

  We are paying big bucks for this type of in depth Republican analysis.

• 16. Pain  |  June 10th, 2008 at 8:06 am

  15. Quietriot | June 10th, 2008 at 7:59 am

  The Bureau of Labor Statsitics has a derivative formula that takes large increases/decreases into account in its reporting of joblessness. Ms Chao is not being fully honest here to protect her boss.

  And in closing, why would she have to make this statement if the economy is the bailiwick of Congress?

• 17. SEW  |  June 10th, 2008 at 9:26 am

  “You cannot have a debate with delusional people to begin with” DA

  “And at exactly what time did you make a comment to which no one responded Danish Artist?” Pain

  Pain, DA’s point was you are delusional, no need to engage, not that he actually corresponded. FYI delusion is

  “The main feature of this disorder is the presence of delusions, which are unshakable beliefs in something untrue”

  DA hit the nail on the head and Pain again comes through to prove it.

• 18. Pain  |  June 10th, 2008 at 9:28 am

  17. SEW | June 10th, 2008 at 9:26 am

  You are the ones that think you are going to fly up into the clouds while everyone else on terra suffers. Delusional?? Hmmm.

• 19. neocon  |  June 10th, 2008 at 9:46 am

  We’re the ones that think we’re going to fly up into the clouds??

  Pain, learn the first rule of holes. It will serve you well.

• 20. Danish Artist  |  June 10th, 2008 at 12:50 pm

  Pain,

  Do you have any pictures to prove of this fictional leviathan? the lake? the bodies?

  I mean, why aren’t there pictures of this “hell” on “terra” posted on your so-called web-site?

  Let me get my hip boots on before you answer. Watch out people, it’s going to get deep in here really fast (Katrina flashbacks!!!)!!!!!!

• 21. Mark Noonan  |  June 10th, 2008 at 2:51 pm

  Robin,

  Well, if you want to believe that conservatism has nothing to do with preserving Judeo-Christian civilization, then you have a point…on the other hand, real conservatives exist solely for the purpose of preserving Judeo-Christian civilization, so on that level your argument is, well, rather ahistorical.

  I know there are people who align with conservatism who are actually libertarians…who, in turn, were called liberals waaay back when and “classic liberals” starting in the 70’s to differentiate between the old liberalism and the quasi-socialist liberals who rose up in the 60’s. Goldwater was far more libertarian than he ever was conservative, and so while I honor him greatly for his excellent service to our nation, he’s not on my list of conservative heroes. Goldwater can trace himself back to Adam Smith; most real conservatives trace themselves back to Burke…but the more deeply instructed trace themselves back to St. Thomas Aquinas.

  You see, Robin, we conservatives have been dealing with your sort for centuries now - nothing that you consider modern is really modern…its all just re-hashed versions of the same, old heresies disposed of long ago…but which continually crop up due to the arrogance and ignorance all too prevalent in this fallen human race. Given this, to think that being, say, pro-choice in something like abortion is something that any conservative could ever subscribe to is just laughable to conservatives…we dealt with such anti-human ideas before, and we’ll likely deal with them under different guise some time in the future; but we conservatives know what it is a and why we have to fight against it - in this case, because it is the concept of the sanctity of human life which underpins such things as, well, the idea that you have a right to be free…

• 22. Mark Noonan  |  June 10th, 2008 at 2:51 pm

  Sunny,

  Indeed, they are…