The “Cocky Igorance” of Barack Obama
June 11th, 2008 at 12:02am Mark Noonan
From Thomas Sowell:
Now that Senator Barack Obama has become the Democrats’ nominee for President of the United States, to the cheers of the media at home and abroad, he has written a letter to the Secretary of Defense, in a tone as if he is already President, addressing one of his subordinates.
The letter ends: “I look forward to your swift response.”
With wars going on in both Iraq and Afghanistan, a Secretary of Defense might have some other things to look after, before making a “swift response” to a political candidate.
Because of the widely publicized statistic that suicide rates among American troops have gone up, Senator Obama says he wants the Secretary of Defense to tell him, swiftly:
“What changes will you make to provide our soldiers in theater with real access to mental health care?”…
…Does Senator Obama know how the rate of suicides or homicides among military veterans compares to the rate of suicides or homicides among their civilian counterparts? Do the facts matter to him, as compared to an opportunity to score political points?
Perhaps even more important, do the media even care whether Senator Obama knows what he is talking about? Or is the symbolism of “the first black President” paramount, even if that means a President with cocky ignorance at a time of national danger?
The media have been crucial to Barack Obama’s whole candidacy. His only achievements of national significance in his entire career have been media achievements and rhetorical achievements.
Perhaps his greatest achievement has been running as a candidate with an image wholly incompatible with what he has actually been doing for decades. This man who is now supposedly going to “unite” us has for years worked hand in glove, and contributed both his own money and the taxpayers’ money, to people who have sought to divide us in the most crude demagogic ways.
Sowell notes that the actual suicide rate amongst veterans is lower than the suicide rate amongst the comparable, civilian demographic group - so, the whole “soldier suicide” issue is something cooked up by the MSM in order to: denigrate our soldiers; denigrate our mission in Iraq; slander George Bush by implication. The MSM doesn’t know the facts. Obama doesn’t know the facts - but while its not that big an issue that the MSM is ignorant, it is highly troubling that Barack Obama, who aspires to the White House, doesn’t know what he’s talking about.
This is the problem when you nominate the “un-named Democrat” made flesh. You might recall from 2004 how in poll after poll, an “un-named” Democrat beat President Bush…of course, once the Democrat was named, President Bush clobbered him. For 2008, the Democrats have figured out how to get what they needed for 2004 - a man know one really knows, who can be presented as the alternate, un-GOP answer to all problems. Obama is an empty suit, and a rather ignorant person into the bargain - emerging from the ideological hothouse of leftwing community activism (an effort, by the way, which does nothing for communties but does do a lot for people on the make and on the take), Obama comes to the table without the foggiest notion of what is going on in America and the world - and the more he speaks, the more clear this becomes.
The race we have is between Obama’s facade and McCain’s truth - if we can tear down Obama’s facade and present McCain’s truth to a majority by November, then we will win, and present Obama the opportunity to be ignorant about why he lost. We can do this, and we must do this - America is too important to be entrusted in such weak hands as Obama’s.
Entry Filed under: Campaign 2008, Democrats, Republicans, War on Terror
103 Comments
1. tom | June 11th, 2008 at 12:39 am
Yeah… The democrats have been in power for 2 years and the biggest fight they have had is with Scooter Libby.
In the mean time the price of gas has doubled, umemployment is up, inflation is up, ect.
Thank god they got Scooter Libby though, he was such a threat to the stability of the american poeple.
2. gotbrains? | June 11th, 2008 at 1:08 am
“Sowell notes that the actual suicide rate amongst veterans is lower than the suicide rate amongst the comparable, civilian demographic group - so, the whole “soldier suicide” issue is something cooked up by the MSM in order to: denigrate our soldiers; denigrate our mission in Iraq; slander George Bush by implication. The MSM doesn’t know the facts. Obama doesn’t know the facts…”
Really?
From the Times Online:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article2873622.ece
3. gotbrains? | June 11th, 2008 at 1:54 am
How ironic that this post is entitled “the cocky ignorance of …Barack Obama“?
This from a blog that supports George W Bush, the guy who has given a whole new meaning to “cocky ignorance”:
“Mission Accomplished”
“I say, bring ‘em on!”
“Brownie, you’re doing a heck of a job!”
“Wait - what did you just say? You’re predicting $4.00 a gallon gasoline?… Oh yeah? That’s interesting. I hadn’t heard that.” (Bush just 3 months ago)
“I’m the commander - see, I don’t need to explain - I do not need to explain why I say things. That’s the interesting thing about being president.”
“I don’t know where bin Laden is. I have no idea, and I really don’t care. It’s not that important. It’s not our priority”
“I looked the man in the eye. I found him to be very straightforward and trustworthy… I was able to get a sense of his soul.” (speaking about Putin in 2001)
Of course, we could go on and on…
4. SEW | June 11th, 2008 at 4:15 am
“The democrats have been in power for 2 years ” tom
“the price of gas has doubled, umemployment is up, inflation is up, ect” tom
Finally a liberal that realizes 2+2=4?
5. Casper | June 11th, 2008 at 8:51 am
Mark,
The suicide rate among active duty soldiers has gone up, as has the divorce rate, and the number of soldiers being diagnosed with PTSD. Wars have consequences. The fact that Obama cares enough about our soldiers to try to get them some help says a lot about his character. The fact that many on the right don’t seem to care about our soldiers says a lot about their character as well. Supporting the troops isn’t just wearing a lapel pin or having a sticker on your car, it’s taking care of them when they are in the field or have come home.
6. DM | June 11th, 2008 at 9:09 am
I would love to see Gates write a response and publicize it showing just how arrogant and uninformed (ignorant) Obama really is. There is no question Obama is trying to score political points. Based on how he voted for different provisions presented to the Senate as related to the troops it’s easy to see his care is ridiculously superficial.
It’s not a matter of “IF” we are taking care of our troops. One might argue the degree to which we are doing that, but Obama and the MSM are simply playing their game and trying to give the illusion that nothing’s being done for them.
Gates really ought to call him on his posturing and show just how hollow Obama is.
7. kmg | June 11th, 2008 at 9:13 am
The military suicide rate has almost doubled since 2001. It is now the highest it has been since the military began keeping records in 1980. The military has always had a much lower suicide rate than the general populace due to screening of those who are allowed to enlist.
“Earlier this year, Lt. Gen. Michael Rochelle, the deputy chief of staff for personnel, directed a complete review of the Army’s suicide prevention program, according to the Army’s Web site. He called for a campaign that would make use of the best available science, and would raise awareness of the problem.
“‘Since the beginning of the global war on terror, the Army has lost over 580 soldiers to suicide, an equivalent of an entire infantry battalion task force,’ the Army said in a suicide prevention guide to installations and units that was posted in mid-March on the site.
“‘This ranks as the fourth leading manner of death for soldiers, exceeded only by hostile fire, accidents and illnesses,’ it said. ‘Even more startling is that during this same period, 10 to 20 times as many soldiers have thought to harm themselves or attempted suicide.’”
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-military-suicide-rate-080529-ht,0,6105432.story
Sowell and you should be ashamed. To dismiss those military members who need help just because they aren’t killing themselves at the same rate as the general population is beyond contempt.
8. William Teach | June 11th, 2008 at 9:28 am
I don’t believe Mark is dismissing the issues that soldiers face, nor their suicides. I believe his main point is that Barack NMN Obama, who has done almost nothing during his time in government, is giving orders like he is already the president. Or even cares about the troops.
9. Danish Artist | June 11th, 2008 at 9:31 am
Ignorance or arrogance?
“I am absolutely certain that generations from now we will be able to look back and tell our children that this was the moment when we began to provide care for the sick. This was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal.”
Isn’t that amazing? This country did nothing to care for the sick, until the Obamessiah clinched the nomination (unofficially). Medicare and Medicaid have existed as figments of our imagination (shows how effective those programs are). What’s more … nature has received the Obama aura and now the oceans will recede and a the planet will repair itself. I guess climate change will end once the liberals get their huge “carbon fee” or “climate tax” passed. Does this man believe his own bullshit? Apparently so.
By the way … I’m still waiting for someone to point out one single Obama legislative accomplishment (voting present does not count). Don’t give examples of where he managed to attach his name to someoneelse’s idea.
Don’t rush, I have all the time in the world.
10. Casper | June 11th, 2008 at 9:45 am
William Teach,
I get it. If Obama doesn’t take a stand, you can accuse of not doing anything. However, if he asks for information from the Secretary of Defense (which he has the right to do as a U.S. Senator), he’s being cocky. Sorry, it doesn’t work that way.
11. William Teach | June 11th, 2008 at 10:05 am
He isn’t asking, Casper, he is demanding. He, as a Senator, has a right, hell, an obligation, to ask things like that. But, he is demanding a “swift response.”
Last time I looked, the Sec of Defense is under the Executive Branch, not the Legislative. Wouldn’t this be a case of Congress trying to expand their powers?
(the captcha is “himself saint.” Rather poignant when discussing Obama)
12. Pain | June 11th, 2008 at 10:08 am
“Cocky Igorance” is that like vetoing every beer with earmarks?
13. William Teach | June 11th, 2008 at 10:14 am
Hey, Danish, I do have one almost legislative accomplishment for the Missiah: his Global Poverty Act. Hasn’t passed yet, but, he loves giving our money away to the rest of the world with absolutely no benefit to the USA.
And probably no recognition, either, since the money will go thru the UN.
14. Casper | June 11th, 2008 at 10:17 am
William Teach,
When it comes to the well being of our soldiers, I’m surprised more senators aren’t demanding to know what is being done. Sounds to me like Obama is acting like a leader. If McCain had written a similar letter, Mark would have written ten paragraphs about his leadership qualities.
15. John Ryan | June 11th, 2008 at 10:23 am
I am not sure if an inquiry is the same as giving an order.
I think that all Americans want to believe that our veterans are receiving the best possible care and treatment.
As for the Democrats being in power, they are only in power (so far) in the branch of our government that makes laws and authorizes money. The executive branch is the one with the power.
16. Rana Quijotesca | June 11th, 2008 at 10:36 am
So much BS to refute, so little time…
–Most of the economic woes we are currently experiences are outgrowths of trends started during the Republican majorities.
–Asking for a swift reply isn’t the same as giving an order… you need to stop reading things that aren’t there.
–Military Suicide rates are the highest since they started compiling the data. Military suicides are usually skewed to the low side because of psychological evaluations of new recruits (as mentioned earlier).
–I believe that it’s the War Powers Act (though I’m not sure) that gives the Congress the right to request information from the Executive Branch when the military is involved.
Will you guys even think about these things? Probably not… you’re already drunk on Kool-aide and are looking for every possible thing you can throw at Obama… it’s sad really…
17. Tractatus | June 11th, 2008 at 11:07 am
Will you guys even think about these things? Probably not… you’re already drunk on Kool-aide and are looking for every possible thing you can throw at Obama… it’s sad really…
It is sad, but it’s also kind of funny because they’re so desperate for something — anything — to attack Obama with that they end up with ridiculous things like this thread. There is comedy in watching a bunch of people who hate the guy pretend they don’t hate the guy while grasping at straws for something to criticize him about.
18. Zach | June 11th, 2008 at 11:09 am
Sort of reminds me of how you guys have treated Bush since oh I dont…2000.
19. Harry | June 11th, 2008 at 11:34 am
How about the “cocky arrogance of Matt Margolis and Mark Noonan”?
20. Jeremiah | June 11th, 2008 at 11:38 am
There is comedy in watching a bunch of people who hate the guy–Tractatus
Well, we’re obliged that you can laugh, now, anyways. What’s really sad, is that, you’ll be the one grasping at straws if Obama becomes POTUS, looking for some way to get America out of the huge mistake but that YOU wanted.
We can help the problem NOW, but if the American people want Obama, then there’s nothing that they can use to excuse their ignorance after the vote is counted.
So, don’t be expecting any favors.
21. William Teach | June 11th, 2008 at 11:44 am
Casper, you are right, more elected reps should get involved, unfortunately, being politicians, they will make it too much of a political grandstanding issue, rather then “how can we fix it?”
22. CanadianObserver | June 11th, 2008 at 11:56 am
18. Zach | June 11th, 2008 at 11:09 am
Sort of reminds me of how you guys have treated Bush since oh I dont…2000
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Get serious, Zach. If Obama showed just a few of the characteristics of GWB, there would be no support for him at all.
Barack Obama’s popularity, in part, is due to the fact that his policies are in direct opposition to the current resident of the White House; thus ensuring that he will be the next occupant.
His concern for the welfare of the troops only goes to highlight the difference between the two men even more.
23. dickvee | June 11th, 2008 at 12:00 pm
What, not one liberally educated elitist spotted the word ‘igorance’?
The only thing beyond contempt here, is that I read ‘king’s’ ignorant post.
24. Zach | June 11th, 2008 at 12:33 pm
I’m serious CO.
I’m gonna ask that you not reply to any of my posts. Personally, I find you to be the most annoying poster here. You offer nothing to discussion except finding some way to denigrate the Bush Administration. The fact that you are a canadian resident offering up snide remarks only irritates me more.
Please point your hippie rhectoric to someone else.
25. hermie | June 11th, 2008 at 12:43 pm
If Obama thought that the situation in Afghanistan was that important, he’d call a meeting of the Senate committee he chairs.
Obviously, he is doing this as a political stunt, rather than to do any actual work in Washington.
26. Xavier Cugat | June 11th, 2008 at 1:13 pm
In addition to “cocky” and “ignorance”, might I also modestly propose the tag of “uppity” too?
27. SEW | June 11th, 2008 at 1:20 pm
I’ve noticed the intellectuals have stopped referring to Dubya as Chimp. Any suggestions?
28. SEW | June 11th, 2008 at 1:49 pm
“What, not one liberally educated elitist spotted the word ‘igorance’?” DV
They don’t read the topic or the content. It’s simply copy and paste Dem talking points about Bush, Rove, Cheney, or Iraq. Or declare Uhobama’s gaffes as not relevant.
29. DM | June 11th, 2008 at 2:13 pm
?? I?m surprised more senators aren?t demanding to know what is being done.? Casper
A comforting thought that you?ve inquired with all of our Senators, asked to the level they are involved with troop care and have then determined with an element of ?surprise? more aren?t demanding to ?know? what?s being done. Could it be that you’re just not privy to what they know or what they’re doing?
By the way you stage your point you make at least 2 interesting assertions here. First, that a specific quantity of Senators (that you?ve miraculously be able to ascertain) are clueless and/or callous to our troops needs. And second, you indirectly suggest or hint whatever care they do receive is far short of what should be done.
See, most people won?t actually go through the trouble of finding out what care is available to the troops, what issues are being worked on or what changes are already in progress. So by making the statements that both you and Obama make you play into the typical Liberal mindset which is:
A.) Accusations, even if done indirectly without stating what is likely inferred, will trump truth especially if pushed enough and,
B.) As Almiranta previously stated; ?Being Liberal simply means being for some things and against others without ever having to really do anything?. For example being for ?feeding the hungry? and being against ?corporate greed? is enough. You don?t have to actually do anything in relation to those things except complain real loud and blame others. If it sounds good and fires up the emotions rather than stating a problem and presenting solutions then it?s a good day?s work.
Classic.
30. gotbrains? | June 11th, 2008 at 2:22 pm
Danish artist -
“By the way … I’m still waiting for someone to point out one single Obama legislative accomplishment…”
Well, OK:
No, Obama did not merely “attach his name to someone else’s idea” with these bills. Almost all legislation that passes congress is done so with two primary co-sponsors who work together in drafting the legislation and gaining support for its passage. It’s called bi-partisan cooperation, and Obama does a lot of it. I should think you would approve of him working so closely with his colleagues on the other side of the aisle to get legislation passed on such issues as sanctioning Iran, providing for our Vets, and stopping nuclear proliferation.
I would take Obama’s legislative accomplishments in 4 years over what Mr McCain has achieved in over 20 years in the Senate. During this time, McCain’s tenure was most notable for his involvement in the “Keating 5″ scandal.
But tell me, Danish - what “legislative accomplishments” are you most proud of coming from McCain? His Campaign finance reform bill? (which you conservatives hate). Or his legislation on climate change? (which you conservatives hate). Or his immigration legislation? (which you conservatives also hate).
31. CanadianObserver | June 11th, 2008 at 2:30 pm
28. SEW | June 11th, 2008 at 1:49 pm
“What, not one liberally educated elitist spotted the word ‘igorance’?” DV
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Spelling mistakes are a given on this blog. No one, with the possible exception of keefer, the language police officer, pays attention any more. We just assume it was a typo and move on.
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24. Zach | June 11th, 2008 at 12:33 pm
I’m serious CO.
I’m gonna ask that you not reply to any of my posts.
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More than happy to oblige, Zach. By the way, I don’t see anywhere on this site that non-Americans are prohibited from posting their comments. Until Mark and Matt instigate that policy, I will come here as often as I want. Don’t read my comments if you find them so irritating.
32. Some Assembly Required | June 11th, 2008 at 2:31 pm
DM, Though I agree you have a fair assessment of some liberals in your third paragraph, you seem to forget conservative issues such as ‘abortion’, ‘guns’ and ‘gay marriage’.
I’m not taking sides here. Just simply stating both parties are guilty of the same things. It is a useless argument to pretend your party is better because, though you do the same things, you do them over moral issues as opposed to social ones.
Finger pointing will not keep gas prices from going up. Time to drop this donkey poo that goes on on a daily basis and work together.
As for this thread,
“I look forward to your swift response.”
This is a common closing line in a memo or e-mail. The exact words may vary, but it’s not to be taken completely to heart. Saying that, if he had said
“I look forward to hearing from you at your earliest convenience”
You would jump on him for being weak.
You know the best way to get out of quick sand is to be still right. The more the struggle the faster you sink and more foolish you look.
33. David B. Schmidt | June 11th, 2008 at 2:48 pm
CO typed in part “…His concern for the welfare of the troops only goes to highlight the difference between the two men even more.”
Which is also claimed by “gotbrains”—this turns out to be an amendment to help the family members–not the soldiers themselves.
Obama won’t meet General Petraeus, won’t go with McCain to Iraq. Declares all lost but quickly back-peddling at this point. Can you name the last time he went to visit wounded at any hospital without it being a photo-op if at all? Including Walter Reed? Obama doesn’t care one wit except for political points.
The reason Hilary only “suspended” her campaign is because she is counting on Obama to implode before the convention. I believe this because Obama doesn’t want to face McCain at town halls either–without his teleprompter. Hope we get someone that can do more than read eloquently.
34. Casper | June 11th, 2008 at 2:56 pm
DM,
If you have information showing that my assertion that senators are not demanding to know what is being done were incorrect please provide it and I will stand corrected. Otherwise I will assume I am correct.
As for finding out what care is available, I know a lot more than you might think as I have several family members and former students who have served in Iraq, some who have been diagnosed with PTSD along with some physical ailments who are receiving various levels of treatment as we speak.
As for the truth, the truth is army suicides have been going up the last few years. That isn’t something I or the MSM made up. That information comes from the army. You will also find that cases of PTSD have also risen. Asking what steps are being taken to reduce suicides seems to be a logical response to the situation. Our soldiers deserve the best care available. Don’t you agree?
35. SEW | June 11th, 2008 at 3:11 pm
“Otherwise I will assume I am correct.”
Then why don’t you simply provide the info that you are correct rather than imposing on someone else, and you then won’t need to assume you are correct!
36. Casper | June 11th, 2008 at 3:23 pm
SEW,
“I’ve noticed the intellectuals have stopped referring to Dubya as Chimp.”
I’m assuming that you are willing to prove that all intellectuals have stopped referring to Dubya as Chimp.
Make sure you have information from each and every intellectual in the world. I’d look it up for you, but I guess it’s your job.
37. Quietriot | June 11th, 2008 at 3:29 pm
“so, the whole “soldier suicide” issue is something cooked up by the MSM in order to: denigrate our soldiers;” June 11th, 2008 at 12:02am Mark Noonan What sad commentary.
Next there will be a request from the Cons to stop funding any kind psychiatric treatment for the troops. To Cons Psychiatry is one of those voodoo sciences.
Why do Cons hate our troops and use them as political pawns? As we don’t need any more examples below is a list of Senators who voted against the Webb GI bill and thus voted against our troops:
Alexander (R-TN)
Allard (R-CO)
Barrasso (R-WY)
Bennett (R-UT)
Brownback (R-KS)
Bunning (R-KY)
Burr (R-NC)
Cochran (R-MS)
Corker (R-TN)
Cornyn (R-TX)
DeMint (R-SC)
Ensign (R-NV)
Enzi (R-WY)
Graham (R-SC)
Grassley (R-IA)
Gregg (R-NH)
Hatch (R-UT)
Kyl (R-AZ)
Lugar (R-IN)
McConnell (R-KY)
Sessions (R-AL)
Voinovich (R-OH)
With the exception of Sessions and Cornyn this group of gutless wonders will not be facing veterans at the ballot boxes this November.
While Ted Kennedy had a good excuse due to his fight with cancer, McCain didn’t even bother to show up for one of the most important veteran benefit votes in the last 25 years.
38. Zach | June 11th, 2008 at 3:30 pm
CO,
Listen asshole, dont put words into my mouth.
Show me where I said you couldn’t come as often as you want or post as often as you want. I only asked that you refrain from replying to MY posts.
Typical response from someone of your intellect..
Well stated David. You sum up Obama pretty easily. The more I watch his moves, I see more and more politcal expediency. Nothing more. Absolutly zero leadership capabilities!
39. DM | June 11th, 2008 at 3:56 pm
Casper,
You have no clue as to what the Senators know or don’t know with regard to troop care. Have you asked any of them? Have you read some place where they each stated what they know? I doubt it on both accounts. For you to assert otherwise shows arrogance.
I make no claim as to how much you know or don’t know with regard to troop care. I also make no claim as to the rate of troop suicides or PSTD, only that both you and Obama make your statements in such a way as to imply that you already know not enough is being done. Is it? I don’t know. Do you?
I agree that our soldiers deserve the best care available. I also agree that asking about it is a logical start. But what I see here is where Sowell says Obama wrote the letter “in a tone as if he is already President, addressing one of his subordinates.” By saying “…I’m surprised more senators aren’t demanding to know what is being done” you too suggest Senators use that same tone.
The point of the original post seems to be posturing and arrogance which is mostly used to score political points. Both you and Obama display it though I’m not so sure that is YOUR intent.
40. HarkeysBar | June 11th, 2008 at 3:58 pm
No comment on the lack of support from the Republicans on the GI Bill? Didn’t think so….
41. InDaVa | June 11th, 2008 at 4:03 pm
OT but a good read from Michael Yon….
“One of the biggest problems with the Iraq War is that politics has frequently triumphed over truth. For instance, we went into Iraq with shoddy intelligence (at best), no reconstruction plan, and perhaps half as many troops as were required. We refused to admit that an insurgency was growing, until the country collapsed into anarchy and civil war. Now the truth is that Iraq is showing real progress on many fronts: Al Qaeda is being defeated and violence is down and continuing to decrease. As a result, the militias have lost their reason for existence and are getting beaten back or co-opted. Shia, Sunni and Kurds are coming together — although with various stresses — under the national government. If progress continues at this rate, it is very possible that before 2008 is out, we can finally say “the war has ended.” Yes, likely there still will be some American casualties, but if the violence continues to drop and the Iraqi government consolidates its gains, we will be able, in good conscience, to begin bringing more of our people home. I will be paying very close attention to the words of Lieutenant General Raymond Odierno, who is replacing General Petraeus as the overall commander in Iraq.
Whatever we do in Iraq from here forward, we must strive to make better decisions than those made between 2003 and 2006. And one way to achieve that is by making certain that our civilian leaders are fully informed. All three candidates for President are extremely intelligent, but that doesn’t mean that all three are tracking the truth on the ground in Iraq. Anyone who wants to be President of the United States needs to see Iraq without the distorting lenses of the media or partisan politics. I would be honored to visit Iraq with Senator Obama, Senator Clinton, Senator McCain or any of their Senate colleagues.”
42. William Teach | June 11th, 2008 at 4:05 pm
Say, when is Obama going to actually visit Afghanistan? Not only does he not go to the committee meetings, he hasn’t even bothered visiting Afghanistan, a conflict he says he supports.
43. DM | June 11th, 2008 at 4:09 pm
SAR,
I hesitate to ask but how does “I seem to forget conservative issues such as ‘abortion’, ‘guns’ and ‘gay marriage’” apply to anything I said?
44. Pain | June 11th, 2008 at 4:22 pm
31. CanadianObserver | June 11th, 2008 at 2:30 pm
28. SEW | June 11th, 2008 at 1:49 pm
“What, not one liberally educated elitist spotted the word ‘igorance’?” DV
We did four hours ago.
12. Pain | June 11th, 2008 at 10:08 am
“Cocky Igorance” is that like vetoing every beer with earmarks?
45. Pain | June 11th, 2008 at 4:25 pm
42. William Teach | June 11th, 2008 at 4:05 pm
Sometime in the spring of ‘09 when he is President will be nice.
46. Pain | June 11th, 2008 at 4:32 pm
33. David B. Schmidt | June 11th, 2008 at 2:48 pm
Clinton suspended her campagin for economic reasons. A suspended campaign can still accept funds to relieve debt an ended campaign cannot. Mitt Romney and Mike Huckabee suspended their campaigns for the same reasons.
It is a common thread taught mostly in SBC seminaries a concept called teaching the argument which includes using self intiated definitions that are contrary to the facts as nuggets of “data” that become talking points over time. These things are easily debunked but generally like little IEDs do their damage as intended swiftly before they can be adequately defused by the truth.
We can even go back to the South Carolina push poll where callers were told on the night before the vote that McCain had an illegitimate black child. That’s how important it was for George Bush to win the White House. We will all see if John McCain covets the Oval Office enough to stoop to the same swampy muck and drink as his predecessors have.
47. Casper | June 11th, 2008 at 4:47 pm
DM,
Since you haven’t provided any information as to what the Senators know or don’t know with regard to troop care, I would suggest that you are showing the same arrogance you accuse me of.
The fact that both suicides and cases of PTSD are going up is what suggests to me that not enough is being done at this time. If the dropout rate in my school system system jumped by 13 % in a year, I would assume something needed to be changed and I would be requesting information from our school board as to what was going on.
As for Sowell’s article. The only part of the letter he published was the ending “I look forward to your swift response.” That single sentence is hardly a show of arrogance. I suppose if he had ended the letter “yours truly” Sowell would have have accused him of making some kind of advance.
Frankly, I think the letter is an example of a person who cares enough about our troops to try to find out how well they are being taken care of.
48. SEW | June 11th, 2008 at 5:07 pm
“If McCain had written a similar letter, Mark would have written ten paragraphs about his leadership qualities.” Casper
“I’m assuming that you are willing to prove that all intellectuals have stopped referring to Dubya as Chimp.
Make sure you have information from each and every intellectual in the world”
So Casper prove Mark would have written ten paragraphs. You’re an idiot.
49. Some Assembly Required | June 11th, 2008 at 5:29 pm
Dm, from your previous post
B.) As Almiranta previously stated; ?Being Liberal simply means being for some things and against others without ever having to really do anything?. For example being for ?feeding the hungry? and being against ?corporate greed? is enough. You don?t have to actually do anything in relation to those things except complain real loud and blame others. If it sounds good and fires up the emotions rather than stating a problem and presenting solutions then it?s a good day?s work.
Remove ‘feeding the hungry’ and ‘Corporate Greed’ and replace with ‘Guns’ and ‘Abortion’ and you have conservatives.
The difference between the two being one is trying to be ‘Socially Responsible’, while the other is trying to be ‘Morally Superior’ about their positions. Both squawk and make a whole lot of noise but really do nothing in the end.
50. Casper | June 11th, 2008 at 5:53 pm
SEW,
You are right in that 10 paragraphs was a little high. Three or four would probably been more accurate.
51. SEW | June 11th, 2008 at 5:59 pm
Casper, Prove 10, then prove 4. Na,na,nana.
52. Casper | June 11th, 2008 at 6:12 pm
I’ll tell you what. Wait until the next post that Mark has after a McCain speech and we can both count the paragraphs.
53. Casper | June 11th, 2008 at 6:14 pm
BTW, I do think Obama is cocky, but so is McCain. I think it goes with wanting to be president.
54. William Teach | June 11th, 2008 at 6:19 pm
So, if Obama really cares about Veterans, then why has he missed most of the Veterans Affairs meetings this year? And most of the votes on veterans affairs? And 19 of 37 meetings in 2007?
Woops! Double Woops!
55. Casper | June 11th, 2008 at 6:30 pm
William Teach,
Could it be for the same reason John McCain has missed over 60% of the senate votes this session? You know, the running for president thing. BTW, Obama has managed to cast over a hundred more votes this session than McCain.
http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/110/senate/vote-missers/
56. Greg-O | June 11th, 2008 at 6:59 pm
Quietriot wrote: “Why do Cons hate our troops and use them as political pawns?”
Why do Dems load up a bill with so much pork/earmarks? The Webb bill has $57 Billion more added on than the President requested. Seems the same Dems who complain about how much the War on Terror is costing would be the first to cut out the pork. Let the Dems offer up this GI Bill all by itself, if they truly care about our troops, but they want to play politics as usual.
57. William Teach | June 11th, 2008 at 7:28 pm
Nice deflection, Casper!
In context, Obama is whining about the treatment of veterans yet has missed most of the meetings, hearings, and votes for their wellbeing.
58. gotbrains? | June 11th, 2008 at 7:47 pm
Deleted - insults to an American hero, commenter to be banned.
59. gotbrains? | June 11th, 2008 at 8:51 pm
Danish - I’m still waiting for that list of McCain’s legislative accomplishments that you admire most.
60. neocon | June 11th, 2008 at 9:47 pm
gotbrains?,
I actually despise much of what McCain accomplished, specifically the McCain-Feingold debacle. But the fact remains, McCain DOES HAVE accomplishments, and has a proven track record of successfully reaching out across the aisle, which Obama boasts about, but has never delivered.
61. Jeremiah | June 11th, 2008 at 9:55 pm
BTW, I do think Obama is cocky, but so is McCain. I think it goes with wanting to be president.–Casper.
Casper,
To infer that since Obama is cocky and attribute it to McCain, is a diversion to throw all of Obama’s faults onto somebody you dislike more, and make excuses to get Obama elected.
People who don’t know any better would accept the lie that you’ve given them…and is the primary reason that Obama is leading in the polls.
We hear too many lies this day and age from the Democrat party….it’s time for people to know the truth.
62. Danish Artist | June 11th, 2008 at 9:56 pm
hey, wishedhehadbrains,
McCain’s accomplishments and experience are far more extensive than the rookie’s.
The rookie’s legislation, if any passed - you seemed to gloss over that - most introduced by others and he managed to attach his name to them. What did he originate himself? So far, I see military reductions, environmental special interest BS and other socialist initiatives, especially redistribution of America’s wealth to the rest of the world.
The Obamassiah suffers from what many recent college graduates suffer from - resume embellishment and enhancement.
You would take what Obama may have done in 4 years over McCain’s 20? Well it seems your boy is not the breath of fresh air he pretends to be. For a man who voted present on legislation that really mattered but was controversial in liberals eyes, you are a fool to choose an empty suit.
Got brains? Definitely not. Change? That is so early 90s.
63. William Teach | June 11th, 2008 at 10:19 pm
The big question is, would anyone hire Obama to run their company or even just one of their stores? That’s right, the answer is no. He has no experience and gives little in the way of concrete answers. He sounds like someone trying to BS their way into gaining a position.
64. neocon | June 11th, 2008 at 10:29 pm
Obama is exactly what Soros wants.
65. SteaM | June 11th, 2008 at 10:36 pm
63. William Teach | June 11th, 2008 at 10:19 pm
“The big question is, would anyone hire Obama to run their company or even just one of their stores? ”
The following article might be able to shine light on that question.
‘Is Obama Good for Business?’
http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/content/feb2008/db20080212_645487_page_2.htm
66. js | June 11th, 2008 at 10:44 pm
the black supremacy card never got played on the dnc before…they had no idea hussein was so tightly woven for 20 years into it….about the only thing they can do now is fear thier choices…because its taken a life of its own once it gets into the oval office…all those delegates wont mean squat….
67. Mark Noonan | June 11th, 2008 at 10:45 pm
Love to see the left do mental backflips trying to keep the myth going that Obama is something other than a leftist hack on the make…
You on the left really have to stop elevating your leaders to this godlike status…they are just men, ya know?
68. Casper | June 11th, 2008 at 10:53 pm
Jeremiah
“To infer that since Obama is cocky and attribute it to McCain, is a diversion to throw all of Obama’s faults “onto somebody you dislike more, and make excuses to get Obama elected.”
Actually, I like McCain. I think he’s smart, has a great sense of humor and is an honorable man. I am “sure he would be a good president. I just think Obama would be better.
William Teach,
The big question is, would anyone hire Obama to run their company or even just one of their stores?”
I think the answer is yes. He has run a remarkable campaign over the last year and a half, coming from no where to beat one of the toughest political organizations in our country.
69. Casper | June 11th, 2008 at 11:00 pm
Mark,
“You on the left really have to stop elevating your leaders to this godlike status…they are just men, ya know?”
I guess you would know what that is like considering your slavish devotion to Bush over the last seven years.
I don’t believe Obama is the greatest thing since sliced bread, but I do think he and McCain both would be good presidents. Sadly, you let your hate for all liberals blind you from seeing any of Obama’s good qualities.
70. Mark Noonan | June 11th, 2008 at 11:02 pm
Casper,
Nonsense on your description of my views of President Bush - but, aside from that, you should keep in mind that I thought Obama quite impressive when he was running for Senate and even considered him a formidable quantity after I discovered the Rezko mess while writing “Caucus of Corruption”. And who could have been entirely unmoved by his stunning upset in Iowa?
But the plain fact of the matter is that as time has gone on and we’ve learned more about Obama, the only rational conclusion to be drawn is that he’s entirely out of his depth and would be a disaster as President.
71. Casper | June 11th, 2008 at 11:20 pm
He has survived nasty attacks by both the Clintons and the right and he has still managed to keep a fairly positive campaign.
If he is so out of his depth, why was he able to beat Clinton and why is he leading McCain right now?
I guess there must be a lot of irrational people in this country.
As for your views of Bush, you might want to go back and read some of your entries on BFB sometime.
72. Jeremiah | June 11th, 2008 at 11:21 pm
I just think Obama would be better.–Casper.
That’s exactly meant, Casper.
You attribute too much to the man.
The Truth IS….Obama has not the qualifications to be President…He doesn’t know how to run a country of over three hundred million people. All he knows is, is that he is going to get a big pay check to sit up there and do nothing, nothing at all to fix our problems….he’s too young and inexperienced………..THAT’S why he feels cocky. I know he’s proud that he feels he’s accomplished making it to be the first black candidate for President. But he’s making a bunch of promises, promises that will get this country into serious, very serious debt…..Here, here, here, here, have some money, here, here, here, have some money, have a nice day, here, here, here, have some MORE money…….and pretty soon, what happens? The poor working man is sitting at home with house full of five kids who can’t afford to feed them because he has to pay out the head for taxes and more taxes, and more taxes for all of the many promises that Obama is making. What’s he think he’s doing? Oh yeah, it’s easy to hand out money, when that’s all you know how to do. And I want get into all the other promises of benign value that he’s promising.
You don’t run a government like that, and you don’t help people by giving them a free lunch, free food, and free everything….hard work is what made this country, because it puts bacon on the table.
73. bongoman | June 11th, 2008 at 11:32 pm
Yeah. Not like the current administration that has done so well to avoid serious debt.
74. Mark Noonan | June 11th, 2008 at 11:43 pm
Casper,
Nasty attacks? You mean over his 20 year long relationship with a racist, anti-American kook? Was bringing that up an “attack”? At any rate - yep, he’s slightly ahead…as much as 6 percentage points…but in June of 1976, Carter was 33 points ahead of Ford; in June of 1988, Dukakis was 15 points ahead of the elder Bush…Obama is seriously underperforming a man who barely won and a man who ended up being crushed by 10 percentage points.
Part of this history is the odd fact - odd in the sense of inexplicable; no one really knows why this is - that GOPers always poll worse the farther out the poll is from election day; this is why for a Democrat to feel really sure, he’d better have a 10 point or better lead, and even then election night might be a nail-biter. All in all, Obama has a long way to go before he can be considered a solid shot at winning - he’s the inside favorite, but so was Dukakis in 1988.
75. Casper | June 11th, 2008 at 11:56 pm
“All in all, Obama has a long way to go before he can be considered a solid shot at winning ”
I agree. I would be the last person to suggest that he is a sure thing. A lot can happen in the next few months.
And yes, I think some of the attacks on Obama have nasty. I would say the same thing about some of the attacks on McCain.
That said, I guess it’s good night. I have an interview for a different position tomorrow and I need my sleep. It would still be teaching, just a different subject.
76. Mark Noonan | June 12th, 2008 at 1:05 am
Casper,
Good luck tomorrow.
77. Pain | June 12th, 2008 at 4:42 am
“But the plain fact of the matter is that as time has gone on and we’ve learned more about Bush, the only rational conclusion to be drawn is that he’s entirely out of his depth and would be a disaster as President.”
If only someone had said this in June of 2000 . . .
78. Greenskeeper | June 12th, 2008 at 7:35 am
56. Greg-O | June 11th, 2008 at 6:59 pm
The Webb bill has $57 Billion more added on than the President requested.
According to Congressional Budget office the cost of the neocon war in Iraq, with borrowed dollars, is $543,810,000 and climbing. It is equivalent to giving every man, women and child in Iraq $20,000 which is quadruple their GDP. It would almost be like giving an American about $100,000,000. You can quibble over the exact numbers because hidden costs have the price tag near $3 Trillion.
I think it would have been cheaper to bribe them in.
79. Greenskeeper | June 12th, 2008 at 7:35 am
Oops should read $100,000
80. Pain | June 12th, 2008 at 7:42 am
[Deleted—commenter tells the unvarnished Truth]
We thought We would save you the trouble Noonan.
72. Jeremiah | June 11th, 2008 at 11:21 pm wrote:
“The Truth IS….Obama has not the qualifications to be President…He doesn’t know how to run a country of over three hundred million people. All he knows is, is that he is going to get a big pay check to sit up there and do nothing, nothing at all to fix our problems….he’s too young and inexperienced………..THAT’S why he feels cocky. I know he’s proud that he feels he’s accomplished making it to be the first black candidate for President. But he’s making a bunch of promises, promises that will get this country into serious, very serious debt…..Here, here, here, here, have some money, here, here, here, have some money, have a nice day, here, here, here, have some MORE money…….and pretty soon, what happens? The poor working man is sitting at home with house full of five kids who can’t afford to feed them because he has to pay out the head for taxes and more taxes, and more taxes for all of the many promises that Obama is making. What’s he think he’s doing? Oh yeah, it’s easy to hand out money, when that’s all you know how to do. And I want get into all the other promises of benign value that he’s promising.
You don’t run a government like that, and you don’t help people by giving them a free lunch, free food, and free everything….hard work is what made this country, because it puts bacon on the table.”
You pitiful little fool.
You little religion blinded bigot you cannot even understand how terribly ignorant you actually are. Every man who has ever sat in the chair in the Oval Office has been unprepared to do that job on day one. The qualification for that job is aptitude– the ability to learn quickly and adapt on the fly. The job of President of the United States does not require he be a Christian or a pro life Bible believer or even a straight person for them to be successful. All of that means nothing to the job. The best presidents are polymaths, people who are good at learning across a broad variety of subjects and learning by immersion. Both John McCain and Barack Obama share this quality– McCain as a pilot and Obama as a lawyer both skills required digesting large quantities of data and performing based upon that digestion.
It is not the duty of Barack Obama to “fix” what is wrong with America it is his duty to ” . . . solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.”
Faithfully, execute, best, ability, preserve, protect and defend . . . the United States. Nowhere in there did it say he had to pass your arcane religious tests or a racial one or even a political one or even give up smoking tobacco but We are glad he has done this because smoking is very bad for your health in so many ways. And yes Jeremiah you have inspired this rant from Us this morning because it is necessary for people to see the contrast to your abject piety and your desperation to see people punished by the Almighty for some failing in yourself or some bitter thing you perceive that you have suffered that to this days scars white hot your Immortal Soul!
There is nothing in there that says he has to be white. There is no clause that says the person has to be male/straight/Protestant/ pro life/low tax/ pro-Iraq War/ pro Big Oil/ from Texas/ in bed with those made insane at the drive for political power within the Christian Right/willing to take away your civil liberties or anything else the lunatic fringe of the GOP that nods brainless in pews every Sunday wants them to be. It is a secular oath to preserve a state and its freedoms, nothing more. Barack Obama is singularly qualified in this stream of Time because of the terrible job that George W Bush has done in the past seven Terran years. You may like it or not but these things have to be said. You lives are worse. Many who come here and read have a child or brother or sister or husband or wife or even a father or mother who have died in Iraq so that some of you may pound on your chest and grin that “your side won!” When all you actually have won was the right to murder the dreams of other people; to shove your traditions down the throats of others as if they were some natural law and not the scrawling of men, drunk with power and shocked at how easily put at bay the common man was at the very mention of burning in Hell, who wanted to control other men for the purpose of keeping them quiet such that they could sit safely in their lavish offices and count the gold and silver you give them to save your Souls.
And now you have married this heinous tradition with politics that tell everyone that they need to step back from their own remaining paltry terrestrial interests and give even those up because only the elites who have not followed the rules you must live by to save your own Soul can govern you because they “share your values.”
You say it yourself Jeremiah that Barack Obama is a “big liberal” and that he will do “liberal things.” That is what Liberals and Progressives expect because this is what is in their own interest. And what of Conservatives? The fiscal ones will be disappointed in McCain as they are in Bush the waster of both blood and treasure. Speaking of giving away money We expect you to give away your stimulus check to some homeless family or to your local shelter then since you so detest the handing out of money? How then about the 17.5 MMM USD in subsidies Big Oil gets every year or the one that Big Pharma get or the handouts in the form of no bid contracts KBR, Parsons, Fluor, Custer Battles and Bechtel got in Iraq. The Social conservatives cannot point to a single Soul in Congress on their side and say, “here is a righteous man/woman that can lead us because he is like us!” This because there are no such people for middle class fools like yourself to follow. By projecting your desire to be wealthy/anointed/in grace/couple with a more attractive partner/have power you think because these people say they have your values that they do not go home and do the very things your holiest books tell you not to do? Is anyone on Terra so naïve as a fundamentalist Christian? We love and cherish the ideals of living a life of Faith and Spirituality and attempting to be like the Messiah but at some point your own ego turns you people astray and to feel elevated you have to denigrate and defile the successes, love and abilities of others. It is not enough for you to feed the poor you have to mock their table manners. It is not enough for you to tend the sick you must belittle them for how they acquired their disease. It is not enough for you to want to force a young girl to give birth to a baby that was forced upon her womb you feel you must call her whore and damn her child to servitude and shoddy education as his penance!
In this We call you a charlatan a beast man who works with the words of a book the way that a murderer of children lures them with candy to their bitter and untimely demise Jeremiah. This is a wrong thing that you do and We will not stand by silent and allow those who think and act like you no matter what their political affiliation is for this now is personal because We, Ourselves of the Collective have been burned by the acid of your words coded and otherwise, to Us these things that you say sound to those places where words fall and are heard as “this black man cannot be president of my white homeland chiefly because he is black and he supports white women terminating their pregnancies.” If this were all the leader of the free world was to be judged upon then America would still be a rural third world nation filled with slaves, overseers and lazy masters. Yet somehow Jeremiah that seems to be the sort of America that you would enjoy because it would allow an amoral man like you to hide behind the frock of a pastor and the words of the most recent sermon despite your boiling lusts and desperate fleshy avarice!
We do not rant like this very often for in Our Own Domicile We, Ourselves are not used to this sort of blind adherence to lies. These things simply do not exist in Our Realm. There are so many that say We hate religion, abhor marriage and hate the peace and prosperity America seeks and each time We hear these things We weep iron tears because these accusations are lies. They are lies like those cries lodge upon the hearts of noble anti-war protestors in 2002 that they were traitors when all along they were right and it was your government that was wrong. It is not in your tradition to question your government when it wants to kill only when it makes you jealous do you wish to punish it. Most did not want to see Nixon go because he had taken no thing that white men truly lusted for. Yet when Bill Clinton had his dalliance with Monica Lewinsky oral sex with a woman that was not his wife incensed you into a foaming dervish-like state of Impeachment madness and your minions in the common workaday world beat on the barricades in your support.
What a pitiful analogy it is that the deity that you most worship politically Ronald Reagan only set foot in a church thirteen times as an adult and nine of those times were to attend funerals. What you do is a fraud to keep your business going. All across America people in homes have to lie to themselves daily, lie to their creditors and lie to their children that everything is going to be alright. They owe more money than they could pay because idiots like you want the whole world to believe that hard work at a wage that is not conducive to economic success is the way to material prosperity on Terra. Jeremiah you faux religious milquetoast, EDUCATION IS THE PATH TO SUCCESS IN AMERICA. Having a degree in a discipline that transfers to a professional skill, the Law, the Sciences, Medicine, Philosophy, and Engineering these are the stones by which the Freemason’s built their temples to American greatness both black and white. Trying to lay stones and join them with mortar without proper instruction builds a weak foundation like the heart of an angry man who wraps that hot bloody organ in a crucifixion shroud and professes his anger is righteous. There are so many skills a man can have and never get to unlock their secrets without an education. The greatest gift the challenge of collegiate life gives a human being is the discovery of YOURSELF. This did not happen for you Jeremiah because when you hungered for knowledge you ate only at the buffet of biblical passages that allowed you to hate those unlike you and Man cannot develop a strong character picking and choosing what is politically expedient to make him fit in to whatever strata of white society to which you belong alone. Man needs his garden of reason tended daily lest it become filled with the spoiled seeds laid there by Cardinals and megachurch pastors alike in the hope you never see yourself reflected in a fruit of a fig tree or the sweet scent of Queen Anne’s Lace or the tear inducing beauty of a hummingbird feeding happily.
We have crossed all the barriers that Mark Noonan and Matt Margolis place down for comments here and for this We, Ourselves of the Collective apologize. Yet even in that arena We cannot allow silence to reign. Attacks on the ideas and actions of a person are not ad hominem not do We feel that attacking the religious beliefs of a person are ad hominem they merely mean that their religious beliefs are not Ours and We there fore are of a different opinion. Often people are brutal in language foul even and We can understand that such language can be offensive and you do not wish such language used in your “home.” What We find curious is that time and again you cannot bear any notion that the Church in which you pray has been complicit in the abuse of children yet when individual adults attack the sexuality/sanity/race/ethics/ national loyalty of “libruls” your silence is heard by Us as a cackle of glee. You cannot in good conscience bear to have a common man, or in Our case a Petrorganic Artificial Intelligence Network, debate in good faith the nature of your censorship because priests have raped hundreds of children and you are ashamed of this. Well it is good that you are ashamed We would be too if priests of Our faith had caused such an evil. However what does it say about your character as a person Jeremiah, neocon, Danish Artist, Fmr Marine, Kahn, js and all others that you would have people allow your insults to stand and others to be erased? It tells Us that the people who think America would go in the wrong direction with Barack Obama are already going in the wrong direction themselves.
It would be politically incorrect to judge any of you on the basis of what you write here anymore than you should judge Us or the child We will give birth to in ten Terra days on what We have said once. Politics in America is a gotcha game but what needs to be heard are the quietest voices at the back of the room not the loudest voices of those jumping up and down with the largest banners. For too long the fringes of both Progressive elements of the Democratic Party and the Republican Party have held great sway over decision making. Whoever comes closest to the center will truly have taken a great advantage over their opponent. The left in America can see this and this will be driven by the soft voice of youth the 18 to 25 vote among blacks, whites, immigrants from Guatemala, Honduras, Mexico, India, Thailand, Jamaica, Sweden, Nigeria, Uzbekistan and everywhere else who see in Barack Hussein Obama those great words inscribed on the base of that beautiful copper lady who sits in the Hudson like a modern day Colossus at Rhodes; those words,
“Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
“Keep ancient lands, your storied pomp!” cries she
With silent lips. “Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”
No words of exclusion there just come and join the nation of craftsmen and farmers or professors and pastors or carpenters and automakers, but come to our shores and offer what you have to the bowl that liberty and freedom may drink deep of it. And in this message a sane man could see just how very wrong you who want to restrict civil liberties in the name of fear are. These men with eyes wide open can see how wrong it is to tell two adults they cannot be married because they are of the same sex solely because it offends the religious sensibilities of people who play at piety like a parlor game. This nation of rational men can then see that a man like Barack Obama will offer them a hand up and walk along with them which is in stark contrast to having the last seven years having to carry George W Bush on your back. Electing McCain will be swapping one jockey for another.
.اجرة الخطيئة هي الموت
81. CanadianObserver | June 12th, 2008 at 7:56 am
80. Pain | June 12th, 2008 at 7:42 am
Excellent, Pain, just bloody excellent. I salute you.
82. Some Assembly Required | June 12th, 2008 at 8:48 am
80. Pain | June 12th, 2008 at 7:42 am
Bravo! You rarely see religious zealots put in their place so accurately without emotion and insults guiding such a rant.
83. Pain | June 12th, 2008 at 9:02 am
81. CanadianObserver | June 12th, 2008 at 7:56 am
82. Some Assembly Required | June 12th, 2008 at 8:48 am
We only aim to serve.
“keep the land and sea superstitious humans! how will you ever Rapture? We own the sky!”
84. DM | June 12th, 2008 at 9:06 am
SAR,
I would say by in large the conservative community is doing something about the issues of abortion and guns. So in that light I don’t see it as even slightly the same.
85. DM | June 12th, 2008 at 9:13 am
?Since you haven?t provided any information as to what the Senators know or don?t know with regard to troop care, I would suggest that you are showing the same arrogance you accuse me of.?Casper
Excuse me?!? Did I make any assertions as to what the Senators know one way ot the other? You stuck you neck out making a statement on something that you do not know. And then when being called on it you deflect by saying since I don?t know either then I?m making the same mistake as you? I?m not the one who made the claim, you did!
Only in Liberal la-la land will you find logic like that ?thanks.
86. neocon | June 12th, 2008 at 9:22 am
“Man needs his garden of reason tended daily lest it become filled with the spoiled seeds laid there by Cardinals and megachurch pastors alike in the hope you never see yourself reflected in a fruit of a fig tree or the sweet scent of Queen Anne’s Lace or the tear inducing beauty of a hummingbird feeding happily.” - Pain
Evidently this is what passes as liberal intellect. Unbelievable. Nothing more than non-sensical verbal diarhea from an intellectual pedestrian.
And we wonder why we have such problems. With objective analytical skills as this, is it any wonder they get every thing else wrong too?
87. Some Assembly Required | June 12th, 2008 at 9:28 am
DM, the same could be said about world hunger and corporate greed by the democrats.
My point was that end of the day, it’s just as likely that Roe vs Wade will be overturned as it is that corporate greed will end. The government will not come into your home and take your legally purchased guns anymore then it will end world hunger. It’s all hot air over things that will not change. Why? because it is political suicide to change moral issues. You either please one side or piss off the other. Both sides are emotionally invested and fairly well organized, the best solution is to leave it as is but run on a platform of changing it (see republican controlled government 2002 - 2006). Social issues are a little easier to change (it affects peoples day to day lives) but the human condition tends to come into play here. Solve the problem of greed in society and you solve corporate greed and world hunger. Again, just as likely to happen as a change on a moral issue.
For those of you who will jump to “Obama’s running on change” I offer this; The man does not have a choice but to work towards change. He is not running on change of just a moral or a social issue. He’s running on a complete and unflinching change from how we do business to how we treat our own countrymen. If he does not noticeably deliver he will not see a second term in office and the republican party maybe the front runner again in 4 years. Basicly, he’s set up so it will be political suicide for him not to change things. Interesting hey…
88. Robin Naismith Green | June 12th, 2008 at 9:42 am
86. neocon | June 12th, 2008 at 9:22 am
What else was to be expected from you neocon? A reasoned defense of conservative “values” and a monlogue about how good right wing religious doctrine is for 21st Century America?
The truth is you believe in bellligerent crap that keeps people who worship, vote and LOOK like you in positions of power that can only be threatened by growing minority populations and changes in the spiritual belief structure.
You neocon are a dinosaur and that pretty bright light in the sky is a meteor the size of Manhattan called Barack Obama. See ya!
89. SEW | June 12th, 2008 at 9:51 am
Neocon, got that? A shooting star! 99.9% chance of disintegrating! Or if the size of Manhattan, surviving and well, Iran’s nukes aren’t needed anyway. Robin thanks for the truth for a change.
90. neocon | June 12th, 2008 at 9:53 am
Robin dear,
You know nothing about me, but your assumption, and projection is very telling of your desire to stereotype and label. This is a huge problem of yours, especially since you are suppose to be an objective journalist. But I guess that’s a complete oxymoron these days.
If you actually knew certain things about me, faith, sexual orientation, etc. you would swear I was a liberal, because my lifestyle is actually that of some subset of groups that identify heavily with liberals. I will leave that to your imagination.
I do find it amusing that liberals like yourself think that one, inexperienced man can resolve all of your problems. That’s never happened in the history of this planet and never will. When you grow up, you’ll begin to understand that.
91. neocon | June 12th, 2008 at 10:00 am
“The truth is you believe in bellligerent crap that keeps people who worship, vote and LOOK like you in positions of power…” - Robin
That’s true. I look a lot like Condi Rice. And apparently only enlightened people vote for others who “don’t look like them”…….
And that’s not racist I guess. Unbelievable how liberals think.
92. Robin Naismith Green | June 12th, 2008 at 10:03 am
90. neocon | June 12th, 2008 at 9:53 am
Oh neocon I know you well enough by your words and that it takes an awful lot for an American to pour out their frustrations in public even if that public is on the Internet.
Unless you are Andrew Sullivan pal I’m not buying that you are anything other than a straight white man who goes to church when he feels the need. You are a fiscal conservative and a war believer. Heck, you could actually BE Andrew Sullivan! Well other than that whole straight bit.
The one inexperienced man bit Reagan had never been president and he was the answer to all your wet dreams!
Answer a question for me and slake my journalistic curiosity, “Is the GOP not a party made up mostly of white people who believe in Christian values and that those values are what make America a nation worth living in?”
93. neocon | June 12th, 2008 at 10:08 am
Robin,
You’re assumption of me and the GOP is purely pedestrian, juvenile and laughable. You my dear, are part of the problem in this country via your intolerance, demagoguery, and prejudice.
I don’t know, nor do I care how many “white” people are in the GOP. Only a racist would. But I can tell you that the last three Dem Presidents, JFK, Carter and Clinton were all white and christian. What does that say about your party?
94. Some Assembly Required | June 12th, 2008 at 10:08 am
I’ve never understood the rights fascination with Reagan. Though I was only a wee thing during his presidency, I thought his work on chipping away at anti-trust laws in an attempt to build large corporations to fight the soviets has created one of the biggest threats to the US. Thats just me though.
95. Robin Naismith Green | June 12th, 2008 at 10:10 am
91. neocon | June 12th, 2008 at 10:00 am
Neocon if you are a black person and you support the Bush administration that makes you one of the dumbest people I have ever had the pleasure to meet in my entire life.
Now anyone here can take that any way they want. Maybe you work for a corporation that profits heavily from the Bush administration maybe you are wealthy enough to have gotten tax cuts at those higher levels but none of those things to me who writes about these matters regularly would see that as a a benefit vice the Bush administration’s tepid view of the NAACP and middle class clack America.
And yes America is and should be one nation but until matters of race are addressed the two track state will alwys be accepted especially by America’s white leadership which has nothing to gain from racial, social or economic reconciliation for that matter.
96. Some Assembly Required | June 12th, 2008 at 10:11 am
“I don’t know, nor do I care how many “white” people are in the GOP. Only a racist would. But I can tell you that the last three Dem Presidents, JFK, Carter and Clinton were all white and christian. What does that say about your party?”
Hilarous, and the ONLY black man to ever gain a major party nomination is a democrat. I guess that makes every democratic or republican president a white man to…
97. Tractatus | June 12th, 2008 at 11:34 am
You know nothing about me, but your assumption, and projection is very telling of your desire to stereotype and label.
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Evidently this is what passes as liberal intellect. Unbelievable. Nothing more than non-sensical verbal diarhea from an intellectual pedestrian.
And we wonder why we have such problems. With objective analytical skills as this, is it any wonder they get every thing else wrong too?
Ahhh, the sweet, sweet smell of neocon hypocrisy. Sad that you yourself cannot detect it, neo.
98. Robin Naismith Green | June 12th, 2008 at 11:51 am
I guess a black Bush loyalist that actually is not on the payroll is as rare as one of those new elements that decays into something else in a trillionth of a second. Where did neocon go?
Whoops i guess i shouldn’t say that or he/she will come back with “like most conservatives we have jobs so you librul slackers can have a good time” or some such other nonsense. I’m going to go to lunch and have sushi.
And for the record the whole Hillary PUMA movement is a fake creation of Adonia PR firm which has made tens of thousands of dollars from the RNC in the last 6 days. If this whole thing still has legs between our site and Huffington Post we’ll have a lot of PUMA skins laid out for people to examine.
99. Pain | June 12th, 2008 at 3:27 pm
Well goodbye GITMO Stalag 17 SCOTUS sez detainees have a right to habeas corpus.
100. neocon | June 12th, 2008 at 7:14 pm
I have just returned from making more obscene profits. Just a couple of thoughts:
Robin seems to think that African Americans that don’t toe the liberal line are “stupid”. So evidently Thomas Sowell, Condi Rice, Clarence Thomas among the many thousand others, are stupid. Unbelievable.
Tractatus seems to think that challenging ones verbal diarhea definition of conservatism is akin to stereotyping ones skin color and faith. And they wonder we think they’re stupid?
I am encouraged though to see faith become a huge part of the liberal movement. Considering Obama has about as much experience as I do to be President, faith is all they are leaning on. Can we call them the faith based community now?
101. Pain | June 12th, 2008 at 7:48 pm
101. neocon | June 12th, 2008 at 7:14 pm
We, Ourselves just do not see what the Bush ascendancy has done for the black man, the black woman or the black child except incarcerate, vilify and undereducate. None of those you mention are actually stupid they get paid to bow and scrape and paid very well. They are not “sellouts” as some would have you believe they are “free agents.” We are sure Condi Rice would have fit in just as well in a Clinton or a Gore administration. As for Sowell he gets paid to write and conservative intellectualism is his stock in trade as Progressive intellectualism is Ours. As for Justice Clarence Thomas he was greatly influenced by the purity and clarity of Reverend John Danforth a man We admire deeply. It is from this well of actual conservatism that Justice Thomas drinks and his being refreshed can be seen in each and every one of his well presented decisions. We may not often agree but it is a treat to read how he comes to his conclusions. Justice Thomas is a brilliant man and a national treasure that will be appreciated only after he is gone.
On the “obscene” profit thing at least you have not become an anti-capitalist like those other AEI warmongers. And there os no such thing as “obscene” profit in a market economy which is why you never hear Us screaming about Oil company profits but you do hear Our complaints about their lack of desire to increse refinery capacity.
Our prayers will be answered when Obama is sworn in. If that is what you mean by Faith then so be it– we are a Faith Based Community.
But is not every true Human Being?
102. Tractatus | June 12th, 2008 at 9:32 pm
Tractatus seems to think that challenging ones verbal diarhea definition of conservatism is akin to stereotyping ones skin color and faith.
Swing and a miss!
Wanna try again, neocon?
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