Global Warming Update
June 22nd, 2008 at 05:36pm Mark Noonan
After years of propaganda even more relentless than that we’ve had in the United States, turns out that most Brits still doubt the enviro-whacko global warming narrative:
Ipsos MORI polled 1,039 adults and found that six out of 10 agreed that ‘many scientific experts still question if humans are contributing to climate change’, and that four out of 10 ’sometimes think climate change might not be as bad as people say’. In both cases, another 20 per cent were not convinced either way. Despite this, three quarters still professed to be concerned about climate change.
Those most worried were more likely to have a degree, be in social classes A or B, have a higher income, said Phil Downing, Ipsos MORI’s head of environmental research.
‘People are broadly concerned, but not entirely convinced,’ said Downing. ‘Despite many attempts to broaden the environment movement, it doesn’t seem to have become fully embedded as a mainstream concern,’ he said.
The common sense of the average person just doesn’t swallow this sort of nonsense - as Lincoln said, you can fool some of the people all of the time and all of the people some of the time, but you can’t fool all the people all the time. Average temperaturs - as far as we know, and to call our data “incomplete” is to over-state our knowledge - have rise, but over the past 10 years they’ve been stable, which is something absolutely impossible if the anthropogenic global warming theory is correct. And yet there go the environmentalists and various cheerleaders saying it is real and we must act fast. Its gotten so bad that even President Bush and John McCain have signed off on this, though I wonder if part of the motivation for this would be a desire to get past an un-winnable debate (we long ago lost the global warming debates to the enviro-whackos - only time and the actual fact that we don’t all die will prove them wrong) and move forward on to environmental clean up on the perfectly reasonable position that its good to clean up messes and, meanwhile, if we GOPers stay in charge of it we won’t get regressive, impoverishing, anti-human laws and regulations as the left fanatically desires.
Entry Filed under: Environment, Foreign Affairs, General Government, Popular Culture, Science
14 Comments Add your own
1. Retired Spook | June 22nd, 2008 at 7:54 pm
The lack of comments in the first 3 hours of this thread speaks volumes about the importance of this once hotly debated topic.
For many people who follow this issue closely, the biggest concern now is slipping back into another mini ice age, an event that truly would be catastrophic and lead to many millions of deaths through freezing and starvation. But then that would fit right in with the plans of those behind the GW movement.
2. Mark Noonan | June 22nd, 2008 at 8:33 pm
Spook,
Indeed - it is their secular religion…unable to accept a power higher than themselves, they choose to worship an inanimate object, Earth, because they know they are above it, and thus can control it.
As regards their fear mongering - it was said along time ago about other such people, “they terrify, lest they fear”…
3. SteaM | June 22nd, 2008 at 11:08 pm
2. Mark Noonan | June 22nd, 2008 at 8:33 pm
“to worship an inanimate object, Earth”
I understand where you are coming from Mark, but I disagree with your thinking in regards to the planet Earth being “inanimate”.
Especially whereas the definition states that inanimate objects are dead and are not energetic. The Earth is very energetic, magnetic, and is living. All that inhabits it is part of this energy and this life. A religious person might see this as being energy this is in itself indicative of God. Secular folks might just see it as differently but it means essentially the same to both.
Definitions of “inanimate”:
1. Not having the qualities associated with active, living organisms. See Synonyms at dead.
2. Not animated or energetic; dull.
3. Grammar Belonging to the class of nouns that stand for nonliving things:
4. Kahn | June 22nd, 2008 at 11:41 pm
Thank you mister wizard
5. JustAnotherTaxpayer | June 23rd, 2008 at 2:02 am
Newsflash,
As Bush was visiting the Missippi valley ravaged by floods, his hanpicked “Climate Change Science Program” committee released a report.
“We know global warming over the last 50 years is primarily due to human induced increases in Greenhouse gases:in conjunction with this increase in global tempatures, we’ve observed in North America a number of changes in extreme weather and climate events.
We expect these changes to continue into the future as gases continue to accumulate.”
In 2002 Bush dismissed a panel that made a similiar finding. I guess after Katrina, standing around a once in 500 year weather event that happened only 15 years ago denying the obvious doesn’t make much sense.
But let’s say for a moment global warming isn’t because of us: What advantage is there to tying our future to fossil fuels. What is wrong with creating a basket of energies: wind solar, fuel cells, biofuels, nuclear, and fossil. Get them all going.
Chrysler built a turbine car in the early 60’s that could run on any flammable liquid. The then president of Mexico got a chance to drive one fueled by Tequila. Tank up or get tanked.
In any case the cost of energy comes down.
Oil, no matter where it is produced, will not come cheap. Not while there are cash rich customers like the Asians who are able to pay 130.00 a barrel. Price isn’t dictated strictly by supply and demand. It’s also dictated by the ability of custimers to pay.
If you’ve got customers who are able to pay 130.00 a barrel for your entire supply, your gonna sell it to them. Period. That’s the free market. There is no shortage. There’s plenty for all who want it, as long as your wiling to pay what the best paying customers demand.
The market is driving the price, and will continue to drive the price till we develop alternatives.
No doubt we will. But there is something else happening that may ease our need for overpriced energy. Conservation. You put up a post dedicated to conservation.
Many people who commuted to the same workplace in seperate cars now go together. The amount of fuel consumed by senselessly pursuing solitude in an automobile is astounding.
This market change alone may finally shake people out of complacency in reguard to our dependence on fossil fuels, maybe even make them realize our precarious relationship with the people we buy oil from simply isn’t worth it.
One things for sure, Bush will be percieved as responsible for driving us to look for alternatives.
Good going!!
Have a nice day!!
6. french student | June 23rd, 2008 at 5:30 am
In other news : propaganda is more effective on the uneducated.
7. OpChaosUK | June 23rd, 2008 at 6:08 am
Global warming? Try living in North Yorkshire, where, on 23 June, one can still see one’s breath.
Hey Mark, you’re gonna have to cut down the number of topics; I’m five hours ahead of EST, and don’t get the chance to intermingle with the regulars. When I’m on in the a.m., the libbies are all sleeping it off, and the good guys are getting ready for work. When I’m on in the afternoon, the good guys are still at work, and I’m stuck with the unemployed libbies. When I do check on a thread I’ve posted on, it’s usually one of the last ones on the page, so my responses go unanswered.
Actually, what I’m trying to say is for those who do choose to “back-and-forth” with me–can’t say that I blame you if you don’t– please check older threads.
Just kidding about reducing the number of threads, Mark/Matt. It’s your blog, after all, and it’s been pretty successful so far. Cheers!!!
8. HeyNow | June 23rd, 2008 at 10:21 am
Why would the GWB and Cheney use executive privilege to hide Global Warming documents? That speaks volumes…..
9. OpChaosUK | June 23rd, 2008 at 10:51 am
HeyNut,
Let’s have some links to proof, ‘kay? Don’t come here playing with the big boys when you’re wearing Pampers…
10. neocon | June 23rd, 2008 at 11:16 am
No, this is what speaks volumes:
House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer of Maryland said the bill “balances the needs of our intelligence community with Americans’ civil liberties and provides critical new oversight and accountability requirements.”
Democrats side with Republicans to shield Telecom Companies
House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer of Maryland said the bill “balances the needs of our intelligence community with Americans’ civil liberties and provides critical new oversight and accountability requirements.”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/06/19/democrats-side-with-repub_n_108162.html
11. HeyNow | June 23rd, 2008 at 12:51 pm
The White house redacted some 435 instances from Dr. Julie Gerberding’s report on Global Warming. Her report was cut from 14 pages to 4. She is the director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
Senator Boxer asked to see the redacted portions of the report. When a letter was sent to President Bush asking for clarification on the redacted portions of the testimony, Boxer claims she received a letter back from White House Counsel, Fred Fielding, refusing her request claiming….you guessed it — Executive Privilege.
The full report was later leaked and you can see what the WH edited out. Quite alot…
Speaks volumes…that should be enough info for you to find the rest. Don’t get your depends in a bunch now, Keefer.
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/GlobalHealth/Story?id=3775766&page=1
Once again neocon, way to stay on topic.
12. neocon | June 23rd, 2008 at 4:49 pm
HeyNow,
Don’t you think that’s interesting? All the hysteria and drama that raged over the telcom issue, only for the Dems to just quietly give in?
I do.
peace, neocon
13. HeyNow | June 23rd, 2008 at 4:54 pm
Not at all…they’ve been ‘giving in’ alot. It doesn’t surprise me. Language was changed but overall the telecom issue has remained the same. It is interesting but that’s what the Dems have been doing. They cry foul and then give in after debate. I’m sure a thread will start on this topic shortly…
14. HarkeysBar | June 24th, 2008 at 12:08 pm
Another one….for Queefer.
With a contempt of Congress vote looming by Rep. Henry Waxman’s (D-CA) House Oversight Committee, President Bush asserted executive privilege this morning to block the committee’s subpoenas for documents relating to the Environmental Protection Agency’s decision to reject California’s efforts to reduce greenhouse gas emissions and to override scientific recommendations on ozone standards.
Waxman’s committee had scheduled the 10 am business meeting to hold contempt votes for EPA Administrator Stephen Johnson and White House Office of Management and Budget regulatory administrator Susan Dudley. On May 20, Johnson appeared before the committee, without the subpoenaed documents and evading questions about Bush’s involvement.
Stephen Johnson has been compared to former Attorney General Alberto Gonzales for his mishandling of the EPA. Susan Dudley and her husband Brian Mannix, an EPA administrator, are products of the Mercatus Center, a right-wing pro-industry think tank.
UPDATE: From TPMMuckaker, Waxman’s blistering response:
I don’t think we’ve had a situation like this since Richard Nixon was president. When the President of the United States, may have been involved in acting contrary to law and the evidence that would determine that question for Congress, in exercising our oversight, is being blocked by an assertion of executive privilege. I would hope and expect this administration would not be making this assertion without a valid basis for it, but to date I have not seen a valid instance of their executive privilege.
UPDATE II: Waxman’s written statement from the committee website: “Today’s assertion of executive privilege raises serious questions about Administrator Johnson’s credibility and the involvement of the President.”
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