Obama: Americans are Racist (BUMPED)
June 22nd, 2008 at 11:24pm Matt Margolis
The general election race-baiting has begun. Obama is charging that Republicans will use his race to “scare voters.”
“They’re going to try to make you afraid of me. He’s young and inexperienced and he’s got a funny name. And did I mention he’s black?”
Perhaps Obama needs to understand that his race is obvious to anyone who sees him or a picture of him. Obama’s comments are not only ridiculous, but they’re insulting. But, I guess to Obama, the Republican Party is just full of “typical white people” like his grandmother. How can Obama make such a claim, which essentially says that he thinks the American people are racist?
I think it’s obvious from his comment that Barack Obama is trying to insulate himself from criticisms by making it appear as if any attack against him is an attack on his race. Obama should be ashamed himself. If there’s anything we learned from the Democratic Primary is that race, gender and class warfare are DNC territory. Another thing we can expect from the Obama campaign, as evidenced by this racist implication he made, is that there will be subtle hints from the Obama campaign that if you don’t vote for Obama then you’re a racist. See, Obama wants this election to be about his race. He’ll wants to guilt voters into voting for him in the same way he claims Republicans wants to scare voters into voting against him. It’ll be a repeat of Deval Patrick’s gubernatorial campaign in Massachusetts.
Obama is going to attack, attack, attack John McCain from all angles. Yet, should the McCain campaign release an ad that either (a) shows a picture or video of Barack Obama or (b) mentions his name, the Obama campaign will accuse McCain, or whatever organization puts out any such ads, of attacking his race.
Issues will decide this election… Not Obama’s desire to play the race card at every turn. Obama’s desire to raise taxes, have tea and toast with terrorists organizations, socialize healthcare. Issues alone will guide voters to vote for John McCain over Barack Obama in November.
UPDATE: A real example of using race to scare voters.
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1. Rana Quijotesca | June 21st, 2008 at 1:36 pm
Actually… what he said didn’t say that Americans were racist, he said that Republicans would try to use his race as a political issue (which some state Republican Parties have already done). This is just another instance of you reading something and assuming the worst.
2. Vicodin-N-Cocoa | June 21st, 2008 at 1:47 pm
Rana: You’re correct. So is Obama. If I could vote, I’d certainly vote for Obama.
That said, If McCain wants to make race an issue, he’s certainly free to do so. If Obama wants to do it, he’s certainly free to do so. You play poltitics to win. Not for “justice.”
I think Americans on both sides need to grow up a little.
3. Chris | June 21st, 2008 at 1:54 pm
hey, did any of you lefties watch the democratic primary? The Democratic Party showed their true racist colors, and Obama is no exception. Keep making excuses for Obama if you want. Keep believing in your false messiah.
4. Rana Quijotesca | June 21st, 2008 at 2:00 pm
Chris-
There are plenty of things wrong with Obama without having to make things up as Mark has done. For example: his idea for a “windfall-profits” tax is just plain retarded. Talk about this… don’t throw out spurious claims of him being a “socialist” or “race baiter.”
Frankly, I don’t actually support Obama… I just don’t want McCain (and I don’t want Bob Barr either). That’s the problem with American Politics–most people, like me, vote against people instead of for them…
heh… my security words were “his Johnson”
5. FmrMarine | June 21st, 2008 at 2:23 pm
rana Q;
>>>>he said that Republicans would try to use his race as a political issue (which some state Republican Parties have already done).>>>>
REALLY ? HMMMM
so THIS is NOT racist?
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6. neocon | June 21st, 2008 at 2:46 pm
The unifying rhetoric of Obama:
Dreams Of My Father: “The person who made me proudest of all, though, was [half brother] Roy .. He converted to Islam.”
‘Dreams of my Father’, “In Indonesia, I had spent two years at a Muslim school” “I studied the Koran..”
‘Audacity of Hope: “Lolo (Obama’s step father) followed a brand of Islam ….”I looked to Lolo for guidance”.
‘ Audacity Of Hope, “I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.”
‘Audacity Of Hope, “We are no longer just a Christian nation,” “We are also a Jewish nation, a Muslim nation, a Buddhist nation, a Hindu nation, and a nation of nonbelievers.”
‘Dreams of My Father, ” I FOUND A SOLACE IN NURSING A PERVASIVE SENSE OF GRIEVANCE AND ANIMOSITY AGAINST MY MOTHER’S RACE”.
‘Dreams of my Father’, “The emotion between the races could never be pure….. the other race would always remain just that: menacing, alien, and apart.”
‘Dreams of My Father’, “I ceased to advertise my mother’s race at the age of 12 or 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites”
Dreams Of My Father, “never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn’t speak to my own. It was into my father’s image, the black man, son of Africa, that I’d packed all the attributes I sought in myself..”.
‘Dreams Of My Father: “That hate hadn’t gone away,” he wrote, blaming “white people — some cruel, some ignorant, sometimes a single face, sometimes just a faceless image of a system claiming power over our lives.”
‘Dreams Of My Father; “There were enough of us on campus to constitute a tribe, and when it came to hanging out many of us chose to function like a tribe, staying close together, traveling in packs,” he wrote. “It remained necessary to prove which side you were on,to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names”
‘Dreams Of My Father, “I had grown accustomed, everywhere, to suspicions between the races.”
7. Vicodin-N-Cocoa | June 21st, 2008 at 2:54 pm
Neo: Do you know a lot of Jewish people? I don’t mean people who do folkloric dancing in John Hagee’s C.U.F.I.. I mean ordinary Jewish people. How about ordinary Israelis? Just random businesspeople or students in Tel-Aviv or Haifa.
Whether you do or don’t, I’ll blow the lid off a little family secret. We say way worse amongst ourselves with regard to “the goyim” than Obama has in reflecting on his heritage here in your citations.
I’ll tell you the stuff I’ve heard my whole life if you like, but it isn’t very nice. I can’t say I’m proud of participating in it but I did and do.
I’m sure when White Christians get together they say all sorts nasty stuff too. Give Obama the credit for giving you a glimpse into his thought processes as a student and as an adult. If you like it, good. If you don’t, also good.
In the “you’re either with us or with the terrorists” department, Obama can’t hold a candle to my folk! LOL
8. SEW | June 21st, 2008 at 3:13 pm
What is it called when 95% of blacks support Obama and 50% of whites support a 15% minority? Black racism or white racism?
9. FmrMarine | June 21st, 2008 at 3:22 pm
>>>Obama is trying to insulate himself from criticisms by making it appear as if any attack against him is an attack on his race.>>>
Which race?
he is a MULATTO = 50% WHITE 50% black.
HE has chosen to live his life as a black man, so who is the REAL racist.
10. Pain | June 21st, 2008 at 3:27 pm
4. Chris | June 21st, 2008 at 1:54 pm
In six months you will have to stand when President Barack Hussein Obama walks into the room.
11. Pain | June 21st, 2008 at 3:31 pm
6. FmrMarine | June 21st, 2008 at 2:23 pm
And We take it you will leave the country when Obama wins eh, Fmr Marine?
What a moron you are do you know how stupid all of that sounds now? You are falling into the trap laid for you by Axelrod. Now you are stuck on stupid and even telling you nit wits that you have been suckered and all you have to do is shut up and have McCain denounce Bush and he would win but your blind hatred for the “other” is so deep in your DNA. This would be truly funny if Obama was not going to be a great President.
You idiots get to show YOUR TRUE RACISM and will still have your boats rise when Obama becomes leader of the Free World.
Keep sending out those hate e-mails you are doing a fine job building a gallows for the GOP in November!
12. Mark Noonan | June 21st, 2008 at 3:33 pm
Pain,
And we will - you see, we actually are animated by a desire for what is best for America, and it would do America no good to just hate Obama ’cause he won…as you guys have done for 7 years now vis a vis President Bush.
13. Pain | June 21st, 2008 at 3:45 pm
13. Mark Noonan | June 21st, 2008 at 3:33 pm
Dissent is not hatred Mark Noonan. Hatred is what the smear campaign is doing right now with lies about Obama like “he was sworn in as a Senator with a Qu’ran.” What nonsense that would be even if he was!
We do not hate Bush but We do not agree with what he has done. Many more Souls have fallen here because of his decisions. The goal on terra is peace not American comfort nor American hegemony.
Had Gore done exactly as Bush has done would you be writing a blogs for Gore? You will of ciurse tell Us that gore would not have done what Bush has done and that will be the end of that debate and this is because your mind is closed because to you Liberalism or Progressivism is irreligious or atheistic because of a singular issue. If abortion was solved for you or the GOP gave up on that issue in its platform you would be a member of the Constitution Party.
We want what is best for America and right now it is Barack Hussein Obama.
14. Pain | June 21st, 2008 at 3:49 pm
6. FmrMarine | June 21st, 2008 at 2:23 pm
And no there is nothing wrong with those values which can help a person stay on a course to do right, not go to prison get and education and raiose a family proud in their own culture. Sounds like you could substitute Irish or Italian or even the word catholic and for black in that paste and you would have the values of the Catholic League or the Knights of Columbus that ring true and do not sound the leats bit “racist.”
15. Vicodin-N-Cocoa | June 21st, 2008 at 4:08 pm
Edta. PAIN: You’ve brought up a very interestng question. I’m curious as to how many of the B4JMcV’s regulars HATE Obama?
I’m with you on Bush. I don’t hate him. I think his administration has done tremendous damage to his country, people of other sovereign nations and it’s own standing as “the lone superpower.”
I even have a few good things to say about Bush. I don’t think he’s stupid. I think he’s a pretty quick study, really, a very gifted politician and I wish that there had been more than just a handful of Democrats to have had Bush’s stubbornness and desire for power during Bush’s presidency.
I’m seeing some of that toughness in Obama and I like it. I can’t tell you as someone who has lived in 4 countries outside the United States that the election of Barack Obama would do a great deal to restore the world’s confidence in the USA. I really feel bad for not only Americans in foreign countries who are viewed as goofballs and sadists, but also for how few countries anyone connected to the Bush adminsitration can visit.
McCain is coming to Colombia on Monday to affirm the US alliance with the Uribe and he is in for the shock of his life. Deeply religious Roman Catholics down there call Republicans “Los Anticristos.”
I think Obama will make the world not only more welcoming to non-ideological tourists but to Republican officials as well.
16. js | June 21st, 2008 at 4:51 pm
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17. t-Man | June 21st, 2008 at 4:53 pm
Well I’m just a typical white person like his gram ma. The left continues to bring up the race issue. If the man want to be called a N…. then where are his balls to just say it?
18. Mark Noonan | June 21st, 2008 at 4:53 pm
Pain,
Dissent is not hatred; but hatred certainly is…and all I’ve seen from the left for the past few years is the most amazing level of hatred directed at a man in all of human history. The most commonplace and routine acts of the Executive are put out, by you on the left, as parts of some nefarious plot to destroy everything. Listen to yourselves - you really think that America’s position in the world will be improve merely by the election of Obama…as if Obama will make India become closer allied than Bush has brought them to be, as if Iran’s mullahs will hate us less. Only pure, unreasoning hatred could make anyone believe such utter and complete nonsense.
19. Pain | June 21st, 2008 at 4:57 pm
17. js | June 21st, 2008 at 4:51 pm
What you say is reprehensible.
20. Vicodin-N-Cocoa | June 21st, 2008 at 5:00 pm
Mark: How much time do you spend outside of the USA? If you restrict yourself to pro-War conferences then you’ll get one view. I live outside the US and have friends across the political spectrum, some with your view of abortion, many with a “conservative” view of taxes which I think you and I share, and many who even are neutral on the war, but I have yet to meet one person who is supportive of the Bush Adminstration’s actions.
21. Vicodin-N-Cocoa | June 21st, 2008 at 5:03 pm
Etda.PAIN: I’m going to acknowledge the good manners of the proprietors here for removing “js’s” virulent comment, although I would prefer it be left up there for all to see.
22. Thrower | June 21st, 2008 at 5:07 pm
I’ll make it simple for you Marine. Mixed race people define themselves as black because WE defined them as black back when that meant riding in the back of buses, or before that, belonging to white people. I think the standard was if you had one black grandparent, you were black.
I am always bemused by aggressive white people who criticize the militancy in blacks. If my parents had gone through what blacks did in the 1930s, 1940s and 1950s, I’d still be pissed.
23. Mark Noonan | June 21st, 2008 at 5:12 pm
Vicodin,
Lately, only a few days…but I’ve lived in Europe and travelled to the middle east. And while my Pakistani friend feels that we might not be doing the right thing in Iraq, he’d like nothing better than for us to get rid of those Taliban elements which are destablising his homeland…though he also blames India for part of the troubles. Meanwhile, my Palestinian friend is of the opinion that Arafat wanted to make peace in 2000, but the terror sponsors in the varied Arab governments forbade it because they wanted to keep the conflict with Israel going in order to deflect attention away from domestic ills.
A few weeks ago, discussing things with my Philipino friend, I found out an interesting tid-bit of information; Corazon Aquino is not the belovefd hero that some in the United States might think…seems that while everyone back then wanted Marcos out, the feeling was that Aquino was just a front for other corrupt elements who wanted to get their place at the trough.
I’m sure that in your narrow, and narrow-minded, circle of friends that is what you find - just like the American liberals in 1972 who couldn’t believe that McGovern lost as they didn’t know anyone who had voted for Nixon…but I tend to take a more ecumenical view of the world and actually seek out people who might know something I don’t and/or have an opinion I’ve never dealt with before.
24. Vicodin-N-Cocoa | June 21st, 2008 at 5:25 pm
Mark: You started out great and then went on the attack. I was 11 years old when McGovern lost to Nixon, but as I got a little older and got more and more interested in politics I came to know plenty of Republicans. I like well-informed people of any ideoology. I can always learn something.
I can confirm what you wrote about Corazon Aquino. You are right. Power struggle between two families going back generations.
You were actually writing to me as a gentleman in the first two paragraphs and I’ll file away the information you provided because I have no reason to doubt it.
Still don’t know why you switched into attack mode in last graf.
25. Rick Lambert | June 21st, 2008 at 5:26 pm
I nominate neocon for the most creative use of the phrase, “…” ever. Assuming he didn’t plagiarize, it was truly remarkable. And if he did, then I commend the person he plagiarized.
26. js | June 21st, 2008 at 6:35 pm
if we go back 150 years into this nations history, we find a situation surrounding racism that is similar to what we see today….tolerance…white supremacists….today…we tolerate racism again…black supremacy….whats it going to take….how many millions more have to die for our “tolerance”? no…we really should take racists out and shoot them….its much better than the alternative.
shoot them all…david duke included.
27. js | June 21st, 2008 at 6:43 pm
people dont lie because of dissent….people lie because of hatred…..
28. Pain | June 21st, 2008 at 7:03 pm
26. js | June 21st, 2008 at 6:35 pm
Black Supremacy? Can you possibly show Us an example of this?
29. js | June 21st, 2008 at 7:10 pm
why do you expect me to show a blind man something….you really live up to your stooge reputation….what a pain…
30. Pain | June 21st, 2008 at 7:14 pm
29. js | June 21st, 2008 at 7:10 pm
You are like a man in Hell who screams, “There is no Almighty in Paradise!” And when you ask this man why he shouts such nonsense he says, “Because I cannot see HIM!”
We, Ourselves of the Collective can give a lesson as easily as We can take a lesson.
31. js | June 21st, 2008 at 7:15 pm
The leading theorist of Black Liberation Theology is James Cone. Overtly racist, Cone’s writings posit a black Jesus who leads African-Americans as the “chosen people.” In Cone’s cosmology, whites are “the devil,” and “all white men are responsible for white oppression.” Cone makes this point without ambiguity: “This country was founded for whites and everything that has happened in it has emerged from the white perspective,” Cone has written. “What we need is the destruction of whiteness, which is the source of human misery in the world.”
If whiteness stands for all that is evil, blackness symbolizes all that is good. “Black theology,” says Cone, “refuses to accept a God who is not identified totally with the goals of the black community. If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him. The task of black theology is to kill Gods who do not belong to the black community … Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy. What we need is the divine love as expressed in Black Power, which is the power of black people to destroy their oppressors here and now by any means at their disposal. Unless God is participating in this holy activity, we must reject his love.” Small wonder that some critics have condemned black liberation theology as “racist idolatry” and “Afro-Nazism.”
funny….wrights defense is cone….and Obama sat in this black supremacy church for 20 years and heard none of this…..right?…..riiiight……of course a blind man could never figure it out on his own.
32. js | June 21st, 2008 at 7:17 pm
pain…you are like a blind, dumb mute who tells everyone what you can see, hear and wright….pun intended….i really dont care about your sorry excuses…they dont affect me because they are yours….and they will stay yours because you are ignorant…and you can quote me on that….
33. Gabrielle Deroscheres | June 21st, 2008 at 7:17 pm
23. Thrower | June 21st, 2008 at 5:07 pm
From a biracial Cajun gal whose mother and grandmother sat in the back of the bus thank you from standing up and being a true American.
34. neocon | June 21st, 2008 at 7:19 pm
Pain,
You have a fundamental misunderstanding of Christianity and conservatism.
What’s ironic is that you are quick to excuse away any egregious act of violence by radical Islam by claiming that is not a true reflection of the religion yet gleefully define Christianity by every morally egregious act possible.
Your understanding of conservatism is equally deficient. It would serve you well to start viewing people more as individuals rather than by color or creed.
Vicodin,
Some of the passages from Obamas book are just flat out racist comments…….and he gets a complete pass. That’s the double standard and hypocrisy of the left. It’s also the epitome of the mindset that perpetuates racism. Thus, Obama is not only inexperienced, but could never be expected to lift us above the racial divide as he claims.
But hey, I am just a typical white person.
peace, neocon
35. neocon | June 21st, 2008 at 7:22 pm
“We, Ourselves of the Collective….” - Pain
You are one messed up Shi’ite.
the collective?????
Is that like on dungeons and dragons?
peace, neocon
36. js | June 21st, 2008 at 7:23 pm
i thought he ment something that he was growing in his ‘behind….as a collective….
37. Pain | June 21st, 2008 at 7:27 pm
31. js | June 21st, 2008 at 7:15 pm
Not that propagandist fear mongering horse crap js!
We are not some blonde Scarlett Johannson walking down rthe streets of some rough black neighborhood in the South arm in arm with you hoping you will arouse me with a terror of being ravaged by a mob of unruly black bucks.
We asked you for a serious example of how blacks in America have achieved a racial superiority over whites in America. And you give Us a Freeper/Stormfront forum talking point that is yet another insult to Our hosts.
James Cone is a theologic scholar who has a singular worldview based upon his education and experience. His free speech explanation of how HE views religion as it applies to the black experience is his right! This opinion even planted in the minds of others to be ruminated upon does not even begin to stem the instituions of quiet racism and economic segregation that remain today in the United States of America.
You belong to an age long since dead, buried and consumed by maggots. you are the shabby shadow of Shai’tan wearing a skin mask of Cotton Mather.
You are so made delusional by race hatred and baiting that you have seen less than Stevie Wonder and heard less than Marlee Maitlin and known less than all the trillions of Human Beings who have yet to be born on Terra.
38. js | June 21st, 2008 at 7:27 pm
literally, mccain could with the election just by quoting obama
its true
39. neocon | June 21st, 2008 at 7:30 pm
“Black Supremacy? Can you possibly show Us an example of this?” - Pain
Google: Nation of Islam
40. Pain | June 21st, 2008 at 7:32 pm
35. neocon | June 21st, 2008 at 7:22 pm
You misinterpret the greater meaning of Shi’ite.
A Shi’ite is a Follower of Truth this is the literal meaning of the word and no Terran language expresses the full depth of the sacrifice One is willing to make for the Truth like that word in Arabic, shi’at.
You in your haste to cling to xenophobia confused Our meaning with shi’at Ali the twelvers who follow that great man. We are not of those We follow the Truth and the Fates and Hope and Reason and the other Sisters of Science and Metaphysics.
This is the path We, Ourselves, of the Collective have chosen, is Our Destiny, and is the One Way of Many Ways.
41. neocon | June 21st, 2008 at 7:34 pm
“We asked you for a serious example of how blacks in America have achieved a racial superiority over whites in America.” - Pain
Do you think whites have a racial superiority over blacks?
If not, (which I hope so), why then are you asking for an example of actual black superiority? Does that somehow level the playing field in your opinion?
have a nice day
peace, neocon
42. js | June 21st, 2008 at 7:34 pm
you are so full of it pain…there really isnt much anyone could say that would change your racist mind….pure racial superiority….whitey is evil…black is good….kill whitey…and you dont have a clue….you worship the turd that taught you to hate….no…i dont buy into cone, wright, obama, or you….the lot of you are racists….the one thing that you should have learned not to be, you have become…and you dont even see it….
the germans were sucked into the lie as well…60 million people died because of it….so i am not even going to ask to be forgiven for telling the truth….you represent the worst type of human being possible….filled with your petty hatred of evil whitey…masquarading as christians….a total lie…..congratulations…..you should be shot too….and your entire collective….and terra….drug induced stupidity….
43. neocon | June 21st, 2008 at 7:37 pm
Pain,
How did I misrepresent??? I didn’t define anything. At what level is your reading comprehension?
I was simply mocking you. Evidently it went over your head. I’ll try and dumb it down for you.
have a nice day
peace, neocon
44. Pain | June 21st, 2008 at 7:37 pm
39. neocon | June 21st, 2008 at 7:30 pm
Black social consciousness maybe but too centrist in their doctrines to be considered supremacists. One thing a supremacist has to have that you overlook is a power base from which to operate to control and subjugate others.
From whence can the black race draw on such a power base such that they can subjugate the white race, or peoples from Mexico or Cuba or Honduras or Ecuador?
What you are expressing is fear of the whip hand by those who may treat you as your previous generations have treated blacks, nothing more.
45. js | June 21st, 2008 at 7:41 pm
Black theology refuses to accept a God who is not identified totally with the goals of the black community. If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him. The task of black theology is to kill Gods who do not belong to the black community … Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy. What we need is the divine love as expressed in Black Power, which is the power of black people to destroy their oppressors here and now by any means at their disposal. Unless God is participating in this holy activity, we must reject his love.
james cone wrote that…its not christian….it has nothing to do with forgiveness….its not talking about society as a whole…and the unity of america and americans as one people, one nation, under God…but he talks about destroying God…and creating a god that helps them…that idolatry to start with….and then he puts forward the purpose of creating a black god…..to kill white people….
you really should be “proud” of that man pain….just like the nazi’s were “proud” of hitler….
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47. js | June 21st, 2008 at 7:45 pm
“One thing a supremacist has to have ”
you dont have a clue…you make this stuff up and post it like your life depended on it…and it probably does…your beliefs are no more than what your teachers were….and you have shown exactly what they were….you have to have anything to be a supremacists beyond the belief that someone else isnt as good as you are because of the color of thier skin….
the only thing a supremacist has in common with other supremacists is ignorance…pure, unadulturated stooge food….
48. Pain | June 21st, 2008 at 7:48 pm
41. neocon | June 21st, 2008 at 7:34 pm
Whites in America have created an artifice that grants them privilege that other races struggle to match yet generally do not achieve. These are often documented by the MSM in notes but rarely presented when the camera comes on.
Genetically, morally, by count of blood and bone and sinew all are the same in their DNA. It is what the society in America has created and intolerance for Truth and the falsity of so called tolerance that helps maintain white privilege and allows 202 million whites to sleep at night as if they owe nothing to their black brothers and sisters as Human Beings.
49. neocon | June 21st, 2008 at 7:50 pm
Pain,
Who are you talking to????? You’re certainly not addressing any of my posts.
Example
“What you are expressing is fear of the whip hand by those who may treat you as your previous generations have treated blacks, nothing more.” - pain
Where exactly did I express this?
Pain, honestly, I think you need some professional help.
have a nice day
peace, neocon
50. neocon | June 21st, 2008 at 7:53 pm
Pain,
You are one of the biggest racists I have ever known. I really do feel sorry for you. I can’t imagine living inside that head of yours.
Take care
neocon
51. Pain | June 21st, 2008 at 7:54 pm
45. js | June 21st, 2008 at 7:41 pm
We are laughing.
You do not get it because it does not accept the dogma that the Almighty is white and that all power flows from being white. It is an afro-centric doctrine like you have a Euro or Anglocentric view of the world.
We have had this same discussion with young Persians, young men and women from China and other places on Terra and it only seems people from America cannot grasp this simple ideal.
Everyone does not see the world from your own perspective be it racial or cultural but the learning of how others view the world is the first step in the Great March to becoming a Human Being
52. Pain | June 21st, 2008 at 7:58 pm
50. neocon | June 21st, 2008 at 7:53 pm
Racist.
Never. To take a group of people to task and show them the error of their ways makes Us a judge not a racist.
We love you more than your own kin.
We are often made miserable by how petty you are and how easily you run to tribal or traditional salves in lieu of applying reason to problems but in time. As a great character from Carl Sagan’s epic said, “little steps, Sparks, little steps.”
53. neocon | June 21st, 2008 at 8:08 pm
Pain,
Do you consider yourself superior?
54. neocon | June 21st, 2008 at 8:48 pm
Pain,
If you loved me, why wont you answer me? You love me more than my own kin, right?
Can I borrow $50.
peace, neocon
55. Pain | June 21st, 2008 at 9:01 pm
53. neocon | June 21st, 2008 at 8:08 pm
Superior to what?
56. Pain | June 21st, 2008 at 9:02 pm
54. neocon | June 21st, 2008 at 8:48 pm
Sure.
Look under the vase in your den on Tuesday.
57. neocon | June 21st, 2008 at 9:13 pm
Superior to me, or Americans, or Christians, or whites, or all of the above.
Multiple Choice.
58. Danish Artist | June 21st, 2008 at 9:22 pm
” To take a group of people to task and show them the error of their ways makes Us a judge not a racist.”
Sorry Pain, but in this country, those who do this to Barack Obama and members of his race are labeled racists.
The label “racist” is used very often to non-liberal types who “take people to task and show them the error of their ways”.
Sorry but that is reality here. Those who have criticized Obama are labeled racist. Too bad reality does not match your fantasy.
59. Vicodin-N-Cocoa | June 21st, 2008 at 10:34 pm
Neo-con: I’m stateless but there are times to be down for one’s flag and for me now’s the time: I am one of the collective and I’m standing by Pain and Gabrielle here.
Believe me, you found no greater group of Obama skeptics on the telegraph wire than the staff of THE PITCHFORK, all of us, Black and White, Male and Female, Gay and Straight, Jew and Gentile, Alive and Dead. We have seen the man’s flaws. We don’t expect him to be a saint; we merely hope he’ll be president.
We’re not partisan. We’ve said far worse about Pelosi and Reid than you have. My most recent post was something of a call to sympathy for Jack Abramoff.
That’s why we think we’re superior because we take the time to puzzle through the some of the complexities of these things instead of just hurling epithets: “communist,” “shi’ite,” “black supremacist.” You’re not a bad guy at all, Neo-Con. I’ll give you a lesson here. If you once let on to some confusion about something. If you once wrote something critical or questioning of a Republican, your arguments against Obama would pack more punch.
Practically all of life is random. If you can impose order on 6% of it, you’re pretty damned sharp. Rumsfeld was actually making sense to me with that “known unknows” busines. He just expressed it inartfully.
Normally, in these situations when someone steps to Pain or Gabrielle or Cavalor or Sarah Bloch or Carl Pryor, I’d be there to really write shit that hurts people who mess with them but I’ve come to see something worthy in you and in Mark.
Mark has shown me some interesting looks today in some of responses that at times deviate from an orthodoxy. You still have a tendency to fall back on labels and assumptions instead of discussing ideas.
What don’t you like about Barack Obama’s ideas specifically? What do you like about John McCain’s ideas? And don’t fall back on facile bullshit like “Obama’s a socialist liberal” or “McCain is a true American hero.” What do you like and dislike about each person?
60. js | June 21st, 2008 at 10:51 pm
sorry pain, but the only laughing is the demons that are laughing at you…not with you…your demise is your own making…..God has no race….and respects no men….you dont have the slightest clue about Who or What God is, let alone, the abiltiy to tell me who He is…..you are bankrupt and void of any value to me….you doing nothing but playing with your own smallness here…and that…. is …… ignorance…
61. Jeremiah | June 21st, 2008 at 10:52 pm
We have seen the man’s flaws.–Vicodin
Ah! Maybe you see an economic flaw, but the rest you like about the heathen. You enjoy the fact that he is a supporter of eugenics. You like the fact that he is a stalwart sodomite supporter. You LIKE the fact that he is blind and can’t see the enemy ahead.
You see through a darkened glass, friend. Take them off and you can see with two eyes to behold all that is good and great in life. Perhaps, however, we may just meet in battle one day, to stem the tide against each other.
I invite you to come and join the winning side!
;)
62. js | June 21st, 2008 at 10:55 pm
reality vico….there is no position that you can debate about obama…because when he leave one group and joins another…the position changes…he will say anything that he thinks you want to hear….that will entice you to vote for him….its a condition called present…but absent….the true obama can be found…but not in campain rhetoric…neocon taged it already…
let me refresh your memory
7. neocon | June 21st, 2008 at 2:46 pm
The unifying rhetoric of Obama:
Dreams Of My Father: “The person who made me proudest of all, though, was [half brother] Roy .. He converted to Islam.”
‘Dreams of my Father’, “In Indonesia, I had spent two years at a Muslim school” “I studied the Koran..”
‘Audacity of Hope: “Lolo (Obama’s step father) followed a brand of Islam ….”I looked to Lolo for guidance”.
‘ Audacity Of Hope, “I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.”
‘Audacity Of Hope, “We are no longer just a Christian nation,” “We are also a Jewish nation, a Muslim nation, a Buddhist nation, a Hindu nation, and a nation of nonbelievers.”
‘Dreams of My Father, ” I FOUND A SOLACE IN NURSING A PERVASIVE SENSE OF GRIEVANCE AND ANIMOSITY AGAINST MY MOTHER’S RACE”.
‘Dreams of my Father’, “The emotion between the races could never be pure….. the other race would always remain just that: menacing, alien, and apart.”
‘Dreams of My Father’, “I ceased to advertise my mother’s race at the age of 12 or 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites”
Dreams Of My Father, “never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn’t speak to my own. It was into my father’s image, the black man, son of Africa, that I’d packed all the attributes I sought in myself..”.
‘Dreams Of My Father: “That hate hadn’t gone away,” he wrote, blaming “white people — some cruel, some ignorant, sometimes a single face, sometimes just a faceless image of a system claiming power over our lives.”
‘Dreams Of My Father; “There were enough of us on campus to constitute a tribe, and when it came to hanging out many of us chose to function like a tribe, staying close together, traveling in packs,” he wrote. “It remained necessary to prove which side you were on,to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names”
‘Dreams Of My Father, “I had grown accustomed, everywhere, to suspicions between the races.”
63. js | June 21st, 2008 at 10:59 pm
in a nutshell….barak hussein obama is the enemy of freedom, and the way of life our fathers and forefathers passed down to us…his ideals are in direct conflict with the Constitution of the United States…and the Declaration of Independence which it is founded on…..
in husseins own words “I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.”……he has no intent on upholding the constitution….only changing it…
64. Vicodin-N-Cocoa | June 21st, 2008 at 11:05 pm
Jeremiah: I appreciate your politeness and your invitation. I must, however, decline. I have no conception of God the way you do. To write to me about God is to tell a color-blind man what the color blud is. I can’t imagine it.
Therefore, I can’t see the world through the lens of your reading of the bible. To me, Barack Obama is not supportive enough of gay rights sometimes. I recognize that there are certain things that Americans aren’t ready for and Obama’s playing to win so some attention to superstition must be paid.
The difference between us is that you believe your interpretation of Scripture has ALL THE ANSWERS, while I don’t think anyone may ever have all the answers. We choose the beliefs that we’re comfortablw with.
You paint these apocalyptic scenarios if a single person disagrees with your religion. I could lay the same anti-deluvian extremism on you. You’ll probably lose everything you have in the next year or so if you don’t get a basic understanding of interest rate math and how currency and commodity markets function.
I believe in that as deeply as you hold your beliefs.
65. js | June 21st, 2008 at 11:16 pm
you really dont know much about christianity to be able to tell anyone about the “concept” of God….when the Holy Spirit decends on a person….that person is changed for life…its not the bible that is written….it is the Word of God in our Hearts…a gift that keeps on giving forever….then again….unless you have experienced it…you would remain ignorant of it…and condemn christians based on your biggotry and prejudice, and ignorance. of exactly what the bible is….
so…in essense…what you believe is a very shallow thing….a cloak that covers your eyes from the truth….
you should accept jermiahs invitation…the only think you have to lose is your color blindness
66. Jeremiah | June 21st, 2008 at 11:31 pm
Vicodin,
Money is essential (almost) to survive. Much money can get you many places…but one thing money cannot do, and that’s bring true happiness, but most importantly, money cannot get you to heaven…..You could have all but the last penny on earth and it still couldn’t buy salvation.
People who are poor, but have a relationship with Christ are 100 times happier than you are.
You lay you’re money on the ground and wha happens over time? It slowly disappears.
Heaven is worth more than anything in this world you can buy, and made with perfection, incorruptible and will last forever and ever.
Too, if a man gets in dire straights, if he has faith in God, God will work it out…he opens avenues everywhere for people who have faith…it’s not luck, not it’s because they had faith and opened doors to them through charity and work.
God won’t let you down, but if all you seek in life is what you have in monetary value, then God becomes angry because you’re worshipping the money instead of Him and He allows things to happen so you will turn back to Him so that you will understand that it is Him who made all your riches possible.
And you see, that’s what’s happening to America, for all these years the people have slowly drifted away from God and denied Him access into their hearts and give Him thanks for it all. So, here we are…we are at a crossroads, God says, ‘You follow Me and I’ll bless you’ …. ‘Don’t follow Me and you shall reap My judgement.’
You decide.
67. Vicodin-N-Cocoa | June 21st, 2008 at 11:31 pm
JS: I don’t condemn Christians as a rule. I strongly support a person’s freedom to believe as he likes. I just don’t appreciate anyone evangelizing at me. I am UNABLE to conceive of God or the Holy Spirit or any of that super-natural stuff, not because I’m evil or “shallow” but because it’s not in my nature. Even if I wanted to believe, I mentally, cognitively and physically would not be able to.
In a way I’m kind of jealous of religious people because they have this gift that I don’t have. What I don’t understand, however, is why that gift doesn’t seem to make you fellows happy. It seems to make you very angry.
68. Jeremiah | June 21st, 2008 at 11:38 pm
It seems to make you very angry.
We fear God.
We want to implore God’s favor.
We don’t want to see people lost and go to a Devil’s Hell. How tragic.
What does that sound like to you?
69. Jeremiah | June 21st, 2008 at 11:44 pm
It’s also angering when leftists try to twist and turn the God ordained nature into a lie, furthering people to believe something that it is not and further leading people to their ultimate destruction. A Nation headed for destruction.
70. js | June 21st, 2008 at 11:47 pm
so vico, if you cant concieve of the truth, what makes you concieve that imagination is real? trust me, christians are filled with joy beyond description, and we carry passion in its rightful position…its not anger….and we will not compromise…Jesus did not come to bring peace my friend….but a war against principalities in high places…..spiritual wickedness….not flesh and blood….against the rulers of darkness in this world
yet, some would come to beleive that pacifism and christianity are one and the same…but it isnt…so dont let anyone fool you…….
71. Vicodin-N-Cocoa | June 22nd, 2008 at 12:23 am
Fellers:
I am led to believe that there are many sects of Christians, of Catholics and Protestants both. You cannot tell me that a Jesuit and an Opus-Deist are the same. Nor can you tell me that an Episcopalian and a Southern Baptist are the same.
So, I highly doubt you guys represent all of Christianity.
72. Jeremiah | June 22nd, 2008 at 12:38 am
Nor can you tell me that an Episcopalian and a Southern Baptist are the same.
That’s right. Those are just different names for different sects.
To the contrary, we do not define the church as Episcopalian, Lutheran, Baptist, Methodist and so forth…In other words, the names of the differing sects do not divide.
What is the church? All those who are born again through the shed blood of Jesus Christ.
There are no barriers to becoming a Christian. There are no barriers to access God. We can go freely to God without cost. How? Through faith.
And there’s that verse again in my mind’s eye … ‘Who is it that overcomes the world? Only he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God.’
Read the book of Ephisians.
73. Vicodin-N-Cocoa | June 22nd, 2008 at 12:42 am
Jeremiah: I like the way you express your faith. I think you are wholly sincere. And I do actually see the pleasure your faith brings you.
Religion is not for me. That’s all.
74. Jeremiah | June 22nd, 2008 at 12:54 am
Religion is not for me.
Vicodin,
No, it is not “religion” has numerous meanings.
It’s trust and faith in God, because God makes everything possible…..there’s nothing under the sun that He would have more joy in, than to see you accept His free gift and become a part of His great plan for you.
People are lost, they don’t know what happiness is, and they need someone to help them understand where their happiness and true hope is in, and that’s through Jesus Christ. It’s not in the money, friend, you can forget that notion, because money is not our last hope when this ol’ body wears out and the undertaker comes. ‘Every knee will bow, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ truly is, Lord.’
75. OpChaosUK | June 22nd, 2008 at 5:33 am
Michelle Obama has made race an issue since the primaries began. They both made it an issue against the Clintons. So why is it wrong to continue? Do you libbies suffer from white guilt.
This guy is really your messiah, isn’t he? You could’ve done better than this empty suit…
76. OpChaosUK | June 22nd, 2008 at 5:40 am
…but I have yet to meet one person who is supportive of the Bush Adminstration’s actions.
Then you should come to England, wanker. I support most of his actions, as do many Brits I’ve heard on the radio.
And I thought they all hated us….
77. Pain | June 22nd, 2008 at 6:05 am
65. js | June 21st, 2008 at 11:16 pm
It is an eminence front.
78. js | June 22nd, 2008 at 8:02 am
sorry pain, your experince with liberal facades limit your ability to see beyond your simple mindedness….please expalin yourself at moveon.org for a sympathetic shoulder that you can cry on…..
79. Gabrielle Deroscheres | June 22nd, 2008 at 8:41 am
Deleted - mindless insults.
80. Pain | June 22nd, 2008 at 8:56 am
78. js | June 22nd, 2008 at 8:02 am
No tears for Us js, none at all.
We find it curious that you need to spread lies like that mass e-mail of fraudulent quotes that you plastered in No. 62.
Where do the liars and the prideful of lying go js?
81. neocon | June 22nd, 2008 at 9:29 am
Pain,
Those quotes are excerpts from Obamas book. Written by………..wait for it…………Barack Obama.
Tell me, how is it spreading lies when you are quoting the source?
Question: When Obama said the following:
“Senator John McCain has already pledged to accept this fundraising pledge. If I am the Democratic nominee, I will aggressively pursue an agreement with the Republican nominee to preserve a publicly financed general election.”
Was he lying? And you never did answer my question from yesterday, do you feel superior to white American Christians?
82. neocon | June 22nd, 2008 at 9:37 am
Re: the Guevara flag: The following is an excerpt from an interview with the office staffer and her acoount of the campaigns position:
They advised her that she could continue to speak on behalf of the campaign but was “prohibited” from talking about the flag because “what happens, what happens is that is that there are a lot of groups that, well, some people like Che Guevara and other people don’t like Che Guevara and that if I appear on television talking about the flag it would cause a lot of distractions.” When asked who told her that, she answers flatly, “Barack Obama.”
Are these just more lies Pain?
83. Pain | June 22nd, 2008 at 9:50 am
81. neocon | June 22nd, 2008 at 9:29 am
The quotes js posted have been exposed as smears and lies and are not direct quotes from either of the books Barack Obama has written.
On the financing front, whatever. Who would give up such an advantage in contributions? We can forgive the very minor broken “promise” to have a more honorable man in the White House.
Try to stay on the topic of the lies and out of context smears that js has posted. You can click the link provided and see for yourself that what he has gotten from Freepers/Righttruth/Stormfront/Hannity forums and others remains a clear lie.
84. Pain | June 22nd, 2008 at 9:54 am
81. neocon | June 22nd, 2008 at 9:29 am
Do We superior to white American Christians?
Sure considering that We are smarter, wealthier, and can multilocate We, Ourselves of the Collective feel that means We are in many ways “superior.”
However, We do not feel We have the right to block their pursuit of happiness, their right to free speech or their right to life and liberty because of Our special nature! One can be “superior” and still not be oppressive or arrogant.
85. js | June 22nd, 2008 at 10:30 am
79. Gabrielle Deroscheres
actually gabrielle….you are nothing special in my book…you could be a purple people eater as far as I cared and it wouldnt make your arguement any more valid….
on page 261 of the “Audacity of Hope”, Obama wrote: “In the wake of 9/11…, I will stand with the [Muslims] should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.”
should anyone be surprised by obama’s written words….. I think not….obama’s father was a muslim…..his stepfather was a muslim….his african grandmother is a muslim…..his brother is a muslim…..his sister is a muslim…..his cousin is a muslim…..obama belongs to a black liberation theology church that follows the teachings of former nation of islam leader malcolm x, and which gave a lifetime achievement award to nation of islam leader louis farrakhan….the founder of black liberation theology james cone is credited on obamas churchs website as being the inspiration for their church……cone has said that white people are “the devil” and that blacks must “kill” all images of Jesus as a white man….yet obama’s church tries to pass itself off as a Christian church.
“Christian”
how many Christians do you know who follow a theology grounded in the nation of islam….how many Christians do you know whose relatives are all muslims……how many Christians do you know who call white people “the devil”…….and how many Christians do you know who say that Jesus is black……. and that all images of him as white must be killed…..how many Christians do you know who would stand with the muslims against America…..its pretty basic….support your empty shirt in ignorance….you happy that way, right…….
86. neocon | June 22nd, 2008 at 10:35 am
Pain,
I posted those original quotes of Obamas, not js.
And your denial of those factual quotes suggests that you are far from being superior. In fact, inferior would be more appropos.
But it’s very interesting that you would consider yourself superior when in fact you have excoriated others for the same sentiment. Do you see the hypocrisy in that?
Tell me how you feel about the following:
Quran, Surah 4, Verse 56
I am enjoying this dialogue Pain. You are revealing a mindset that is the primary cause for the continueed bloodshed and divide in the world.
87. Gabrielle Deroscheres | June 22nd, 2008 at 10:38 am
85. js | June 22nd, 2008 at 10:30 am
It’s not very often that I get to address someone directly and call them a liar but that’s what you are js.
Your talking point smear omits the entire context of what he said in an effort to make Obama look like he would stand against America if it were attacked again.
But as usual the truth will set you free. I will boldface the parts that were used by you even though
Of course, not all my conversations in immigrant communities follow this easy pattern. In the wake of 9/11, my meetings with Arab and Pakistani Americans, for example, have a more urgent quality, for the stories of detentions and FBI questioning and hard stares from neighbors have shaken their sense of security and belonging. They have been reminded that the history of immigration in this country has a dark underbelly; they need specific assurances that their citizenship really means something, that America has learned the right lessons from the Japanese internments during World War II, and that I will stand with them should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.”–Barack Obama, Audacity of Hope, p 261.
88. neocon | June 22nd, 2008 at 10:44 am
Ladies and Gentleman (and you too Vicodin, LOL)
The following sentiment is THE REASON why there is continued bloodshed and divide in this world. As long as people like Pain harbor such prejudiced feelings, there will never be any healing. It will be impossible to lift societies above the divide and temper the conflicts. People like Pain must continue to be confronted and educated so that societies can move into a more peaceful co-existence.
“Sure considering that We are smarter, wealthier, and can multilocate We, Ourselves of the Collective feel that means We are in many ways “superior.” - Pain
FYI Pain, I have archived this response and will use it often to demonstrate the egregious mindset of those that perpetuate strife.
89. neocon | June 22nd, 2008 at 10:53 am
Gabrielle,
When put in even more context, the quote is equally disturbing. Where is Obamas compassion for the 3000 Americans of all faith that were senselessly murdered on that day by those of another faith?
Does he not have any words of solace for them? Does he not feel their anxiety of being attacked for nothing that have done?
Quran, Surah 4, Verse 89
90. js | June 22nd, 2008 at 11:11 am
in the context of WWII, and the japanese attack on pearl, the internment of japanese nationals and japanese americans was the right thing to do after we had found spy rings in the USA in time of war for the purpose of espionage and attacks on American soil…..it was a decisive move that eliminated the majority of possibility of attacks within the USA by Japanese nationals and thier relatives/freinds and sympathisers….
and in context of the statement that hussein made…if muslims were to organize such organizations against the United States, as enemies of the United States….you and barak hussen obama would be consider traitors for promoting such activity….in time of war….the protection of national interests and security over ride constitutional rights….so yes….its a point well taken that we can not trust barak hussein obama as our President directly because of words that came out of his own mouth….
and realize this….your isolation of one point…a single topic…listed in post #7 by neocon….show me even more so that your superficial ideology and attempt to berate the truth with factual slander and deciet through omission and your direct address of the issue…are not credible…… and thus exposes you as another lemming on the lemming pole of obama’s groupies….
91. Pain | June 22nd, 2008 at 11:13 am
86. neocon | June 22nd, 2008 at 10:35 am
We suggest you click the link read the truth of what Mr Obama wrote and accept Our forgiveness of your ignorance.
The noted Qu’ranic translator Mohammed Aqib Qadri, translates: “in-nal-ladhiyna kafaruu biaayaatinaa sawfa nuSliyhim naaraa* kul-lamaa naDijat juluuduhum bad-dalnaahum juluudan gayrahaa li yadhuuqul ‘Adhaab* in-nal-laaha kaana ‘Aziyzan Hakiymaa.” An Nisa, Qu’ran 4:56.
as:
“We shall soon put those who disbelieve in Our signs into the fire; whenever their skins are cooked (fully burnt) We shall change them for new skins so they may taste the punishment (again and again); indeed Allah is Almighty, Wise.”
In this the Qu’ran speaks to those who are disbelievers in Truth and are not people of the Qu’ran, Torah or Bible. All the “signs” spoken of are the Chrsitian Messiah, Musa [Moses] and Ibrahim [Abraham]. This passage has been horribly misinterpreted by both Muslims and Christians alike to mean that all who do not believe in Islam must burn.
92. js | June 22nd, 2008 at 11:17 am
87. Gabrielle Deroscheres
this is what you defend;
Quran Surah 2: The Cow
Don’t bother to warn the disbelievers. Allah has blinded them. Theirs will be an awful doom. 6
Allah has sickened their hearts. A painful doom is theirs because they lie. 10
A fire has been prepared for the disbelievers, whose fuel is men and stones. 24
Disbelievers will be burned with fire. 39, 90
For disbelievers is a painful doom. 104
For unbelievers: ignominy in this world, an awful doom in the next. 114
Allah will leave the disbelievers alone for a while, but then he will compel them to the doom of Fire. 126
The doom of the disbelievers will not be lightened. 162
They will not emerge from the Fire. 167
Those who hide the Scripture will have their bellies eaten with fire. Theirs will be a painful doom. 174
How constant are they in their strife to reach the Fire! 175
Kill disbelievers wherever you find them. If they attack you, then kil them. Such is the reward of disbelievers. 191
War is ordained by Allah. 216
Those who die in their disbelief will burn forever in the Fire. 217
Disbelievers worship false gods. They will burn forever in the Fire. 257
Allah does not guide disbelievers. 264
“Give us victory over the disbelieving folk.” 286
Quran Surah 3: The Family Of ‘Imran
Those who disbelieve the revelations of Allah, theirs will be a heavy doom. 4
Those who disbelieve will be fuel for the Fire. 10
Those who disbelieve shall be overcome and gathered unto Hell. 12
Those who disbelieve, promise them a painful doom. 21
Theirs will be a painful doom. 77
All non-Muslims will be rejected by Allah after they die. 85
Disbelievers will have a painful doom. And they will have no helpers. 91
Disbelievers will have their faces blackened on the last day. They will face an awful doom. 105-6
Those who disbelieve will be burnt in the Fire. 116
The Fire is prepared for disbelievers. 131
We shall cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Their habitation is the Fire 151
Theirs will be an awful doom. 176
Disbelievers do not harm Allah, but will have a painful doom. 177
Disbelievers will have a shamful doom. 178
Disbelievers will go to Hell. 196
Quran Surah 4: Women
Those who disobey Allah and his messenger will be burnt with fire and suffer a painful doom. 14
For the disbelievers, We have prepared a painful doom. 18
For disbelievers, We prepare a shameful doom. 37
Hell is sufficient for their burning. 55
Unbelievers will be tormented forever with fire. When their skin is burned off, a fresh skin will be provided. 56
Allah will bestow a vast reward on those who fight in religious wars. 74
Believers fight for Allah; disbelievers fight for the devil. So fight the minions of the devil. 76
Have no unbelieving friends. Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them. 89
If the unbelievers do not offer you peace, kill them wherever you find them. Against such you are given clear warrant. 91 ( Offering peace in Islam means surrendering. All 67 out of 68 wars of Muhammad were offensive. They are called qazwah (raid, ambush, sudden attack). That is how Muhammad waged his wars. He raided, massacred and looted civilians with no warning. The one defensive war, ‘ditch’ was not fought. That is why the Islamic terrorism ‘jihad’ will continue until the West “offers peace”. This was made clear by Bin Laden.)
Those who oppose the messenger and become unbelievers will go to hell. 115
Those who believe, then disbelieve, then believe and disbelieve again will never be forgiven by Allah. 137
For the hypocrites there will be a painful doom. 138
Allah will gather hypocrites and disbelievers into hell. 140
The hypocrites will be in the lowest part of hell and no one will help them there. 145
You must believe everything Allah and his messengers tell you. Those who don’t are disbelievers and will face a painful doom. 150-151
For the disbelievers, Allah has prepared a painful doom. 161
God will guide disbelievers down a road that leads to everlasting hell. 168-169
http://www.faithfreedom.org/oped/AmilImani60110.htm
93. neocon | June 22nd, 2008 at 11:24 am
Pain,
Your defense of the indefensible is astonishing. Factual historical events contradict your anesthetized interpretation and is further evidence of why people like you, who ignore facts in favor or rhetoric, ARE THE PROBLEM.
As I have said before, I do feel sorry for you. I can’t imagine what it’s like to live inside that empty head of yours.
have a nice day
peace, neocon
94. Gabrielle Deroscheres | June 22nd, 2008 at 11:29 am
89. neocon | June 22nd, 2008 at 10:53 am
That’s right neocon play to the fears of white Christians of limited intelligence with the “Muslim slaughter thing” and any lie that you know these hayseeds won’t check up on by going to the library and cracking the book open on their own.
You’re wrong and Obama will win the election and the right wing pundits will make a killing saying the economic turnaround was because of the Bush policies like they gave Reagan the credit for Clinton’s economic boom times.
95. neocon | June 22nd, 2008 at 11:38 am
Gabrielle,
So now you’re calling Christians stupid? How is that rhetoric going to help ease tensions and lift the divide?
Your rebuttal was extremely weak and clearly evidence that you simply regurgitate propaganda rather than objectively think through issues.
Example:
“You’re wrong and Obama will win…”
Brilliant.
have a nice day
peace, neocon
96. Pain | June 22nd, 2008 at 11:39 am
93. neocon | June 22nd, 2008 at 11:24 am
Your world is in a shambles and your mind cannot handle the facts that your world view is being rejected by millions upon millions of people who are good and true citizens of the United States of America so with racist lie and bigoted screed you seek to fight that change and that is your right.
We prefer to take joy in victory and change that will save America from a fate far worse than simple death. Our Collective Mind is filled with the dreams of future prosperous American generations living in a land of progressive laws, taxes and with a rational global foreign policy. Unlike the unilateralist model of those you support that can only force other nations into joining a “coalition of the willing” to invade Iraq for what seems to be the sole purpose of making claer that such waste laying will be the penance for showing the rest of the world how weak America is and how easy it actually is to kill their citizens.
The reaction of America to 9/11 in Afghanistan was rational and direct to the point. The invasion of Iraq was the reaction of an overseer who has fallen from his horse and wakes from the knock on the head to find that the slaves have his shotgun, whip and an terrible look in their eyes.
97. Gabrielle Deroscheres | June 22nd, 2008 at 11:50 am
95. neocon | June 22nd, 2008 at 11:38 am
Well I really don’t hink that the smears and the e-mails and the talking points are aimed at liberal blacks, or Muslims or even voters of Mexican or Guatemalan descent. They can only be aimed at white Christian fence sitters who like Obama’s charisma and maybe his progressive tax plan and how “presidential” he looks. It’s an assumption and I’m a finance writer not a political writer but I think I can be safe in saying that the targets of these smear mails are white Christian men and women between the ages of 39-64. And there’s a hectare or two of foot deep stupidity under that net my friend.
I’m sorry and I’m not trying to be an elitist at all but you have to admit there are some people out there that if I said lies about John McCain would believe them just as easily. It’s more a statement about stupidity than race or religion. But you set the parameters in your question after I made the comment.
98. neocon | June 22nd, 2008 at 12:05 pm
Pain,
Again, I have no idea who you are talking to. You certainly are not addressing any of my points. However, I believe a team of therapists could have a field day with your observations.
Gabrielle,
What e-mails are you referring to?? And again you start stereotyping and dividing people. Why do you do that???
And do you suppose that there are Muslims who have (using your words) limited intelligence, and could be equally swayed by rhetoric? I am thinking of Pain of course.
And I will ask you again, since you failed to answer the first time. How is using Obamas very own words, smearing him? I am not trying to paint him in any negative light, I am simply offering up his own rhetoric as an example of his mindset to be scrutinized. It’s very telling however that you deem that to be a smear and negative. You may want to examine your own mindset rather than those of others.
Just a thought
jave a nice day
peace, neocon
99. neocon | June 22nd, 2008 at 12:22 pm
“We shall soon put those who disbelieve in Our signs into the fire; whenever their skins are cooked (fully burnt) We shall change them for new skins so they may taste the punishment (again and again); indeed Allah is Almighty, Wise.”
Who else gets a warm fuzzy from this? The compassion and unifying rhetoric is heart warming. No wonder it’s referred to as the “religion of peace”.
peace, neocon
100. js | June 22nd, 2008 at 12:31 pm
intelligence and muslims in one sentence….is that an oxymoron neocon…consider that most muslims are literate based on thier ability to recite one page of the koran from memory….its a non issue….
101. Gabrielle Deroscheres | June 22nd, 2008 at 12:32 pm
99. neocon | June 22nd, 2008 at 12:22 pm
And every bit of this is a waste of breath neocon. You need to sit down and make yourself a nice cool Arnold Palmer and relax before you bust a blood vessel.
I know you hate Islam. I know you get enjoyment out of making it seem that anyone who disagrees with you is somehow a traitor/Islamofascist/librul/marxist/black supremacist.
It’s okay. You have every right to let everyone here know how racist/bigoted/stupid/willing to lie you are for John McCain and his impotent hopes of becoming president. You were so desperate at one point in a thread you inferred that you were a black woman. Now that’s loyalty!
102. js | June 22nd, 2008 at 12:35 pm
so tell us gaby
those fears of the white christians….are you saying that arab christians….sudanese christians…indonesian christians…assyrian christians…and lebanese christians…have no fears of muslims….why would christians ever want to leave a muslim nation if they didnt have a legitimate reason for it…..in your zealotious rant you expose the true ignorance here…..yourself…..
103. Lord Just Mandier | June 22nd, 2008 at 12:38 pm
100. js | June 22nd, 2008 at 12:31 pm
They were smart enough to come to your country learn to fly planes not get caught and bring two 100 story towers down by flying hijacked jet aircraft into them. I haven’t seen the CIA pull off an operation of that caliber in, well, ever. There are many new agents that study this terror attack every day and they still are awed by its simplicity. But still it is an act of heinous violence of course and that is always to be denounced, but as an operation, brilliant!
How many of your church social group can even get a Holiday Shopping Season play off on time, js?
An then there is the zero and higher math and architecture and engineering that Muslims were doing in the 11th century while the people in Europe were keeping rats as pets and enjoying not being able to read and write.
I rest my case.
104. js | June 22nd, 2008 at 12:40 pm
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105. js | June 22nd, 2008 at 12:43 pm
103. Lord Just Mandier
“They were smart enough to come to your country learn to fly planes not get caught and bring two 100 story towers down by flying hijacked jet aircraft into them”
yup, a small group of them slaughtered 3000 unarmed men, women and children, but that doesnt make them smart…..context is everything, eh? nor does it change the fact as I represented it….
106. js | June 22nd, 2008 at 12:45 pm
The greatest threat facing America today is Americans’ ignorance about Islam. Until Americans understand the threat of Islam on its society and its soil, people will continue to die. Until there is a true understanding of this faith and means to control it, Americans, along with other people will continue to die. The threat of Islam is real. Until the Americans understand that all violent Islamic fundamentalist groups, including al-Qaeda and Hezbollah and others are true Muslims who wish to kill all Americans, they will continue to die.
No, Islam has not been hijacked by the Islamic militants. The cult of Islam has hijacked humanity for almost 14 centuries. Until we digest this and do something about it, innocent people, including Americans, will continue to die.
(written by a “true ex”- muslim)
http://www.faithfreedom.org/oped/AmilImani60110.htm
107. js | June 22nd, 2008 at 12:49 pm
if it comes down to the point that we have to take action against the muslims….for strapping on bombs and detonating themselves in line at the local movie theater, or grociery store…then it will anything but anti american to jail the lot of them before they do to us what they have been doing to the Jews in Israel for the last 60 years….
108. Pain | June 22nd, 2008 at 12:51 pm
104. js | June 22nd, 2008 at 12:40 pm
What? you all out of talking points and lies? You just sound like a frustrated bigot. Like one of those kids in Little Rock in the 50s throwing garbage at black students. Impotent in the face of real change.
109. js | June 22nd, 2008 at 12:51 pm
“O ye who believe! Ask not questions about things which if made plain to you, may cause you trouble… Some people before you did ask such questions, and on that account lost their faith.” (Quran. 5:101-102)
isnt that what obama is asking you lemmings to do? not to ask questions, but to blindly follow his empty shirt promises and lies?
110. neocon | June 22nd, 2008 at 12:53 pm
“I know you hate Islam.” - Gabrielle
Really? Can you please cite the posts wherein I proclaimed such hatred?
“You were so desperate at one point in a thread you inferred that you were a black woman.” - Gabrielle
Really? Wow, I must have missed that one too. Gaby, you are becoming more unhinged with each post.
Lord,
Do I glean from your posts that you’re asserting Muslim supremacy because of their ability to hide sleeper cells with malicious intent within an apathetic populace? And their 11th century engineering feats?
Is that what you’re claiming? And isn’t one groups perceived superiority the root of all of our problems?
peace, neocon
111. js | June 22nd, 2008 at 12:53 pm
actually pain…there are more talking points and facts about this issue than your mind could ever recognize…so i will ignore the blurt of ignorance that you made and act like you dont exist….
now say thank you and be off witcha.
112. neocon | June 22nd, 2008 at 12:58 pm
Gabrielle,
So I am assuming you have no response to the question of how using Obamas own statements is construed as smearing.
Your inability to properly address that question speaks volumes.
Oh and incidentally, I am very calm and relaxed. Nothing like quiet reflection on a Sunday morning. Thanks for your concern though. Is there no end to your compassion?
have a nice day
peace, neocon
113. Cavalor Epthith, Esquire, D.S.V.J. | June 22nd, 2008 at 1:00 pm
107. js | June 22nd, 2008 at 12:49 pm
And what do you propose to do with all those people? Keep them locked up for a year? Five years? A decade? What of habeas corpus? And who is supposed to pay for these internments?
The next thing I imagine you would suggest is to just exterminate them and then begin a global war to eradicate Islam from Terra? And once you do this what are you supposed to put into your fine touring car for gasoline? No doubt the House of Saud would see this as an insult and cut you off. Without oil no matter how almighty you think you are you and yours die js.
You cannot survive more than 21 days without a paycheck what will happen to your job if you intern Muslims and the Saudis cut you off? Who are you going to kill to get YOUR job back? Will you steal and kill to keep your family alive? Is that written in your Good Book. If someone in your family gets seriously ill in this time will you walk away from them so that the others may survive? Do you see how your ignorance could lead to choices you do not wish to make?
More and more you remind me of the hayseeds in this scene. You gotta love Gene Hackman, he is truly a class act.
114. js | June 22nd, 2008 at 1:00 pm
as i said
McCain could win the election just by quoting Obama’s own words
115. js | June 22nd, 2008 at 1:03 pm
lol, why do you have to ask such stupid questions cav?
if a group of people swore an oath to kill you…you would just stand there and smile at them while they riped your arms from thier sockets while dragging your body behind a jeep to intimidate others…..ignorant of both the truth and reality….just as you are today
116. neocon | June 22nd, 2008 at 1:14 pm
Cav,
Are you aware of the vast crude reserves we own here on our own “terra”? (what a juvenile term, LOL)
That pretty much refutes your assertion of our complete dependence on the House of Saud, right? Secondly, do you just discount alternative energy sources altogether in your zeal to portray all things American emanating from the generosity of the international community?
Your post is littered with false presumptions, which are the building blocks of ignorance. Try and objectively comprehend others viewpoints rather than resorting to preconceived assumptions.
mmmm K?
peace, neocon
117. FmrMarine | June 22nd, 2008 at 1:15 pm
vicodin,pain,g douchebag;
FOREIGN- pornographers, Christian haters gay agenda promotors, TROLLS.
>>>>Believe me, you found no greater group of Obama skeptics on the telegraph wire than the staff of THE PITCHFORK, all of us, Black and White, Male and Female, Gay and Straight, Jew and Gentile, Alive and Dead. We have seen the man’s flaws. We don’t expect him to be a saint; we merely hope he’ll be president.>>>>
B#!! S#!T !!!!
You and your filthy group mass post here for one reason only….to disrupt a conservative site.
pain the LESBIAN man hater rants such lunacy it clearly shows homosexuality is a mental disorder.
You freeking MORONS dont even live it this country, but you come on this site and rant about our President, and some empty suited, community activist, MARXIST- who wouldn’t be elected DOG catcher if it were not for the color of his skin.
You trolls are sickening.
118. Cavalor Epthith, Esquire, D.S.V.J. | June 22nd, 2008 at 1:29 pm
116. neocon | June 22nd, 2008 at 1:14 pm
So the Saudis could cut you off today and that would be fine with you ebcause you could do what make oil magically come up out of the ground? Why not ring Geirge Bush and offer him that suggestion! Tell him you have no need for Saudi oil nor any working relationship with the House of Saud. The response he would have would be truly rich.
[LOL the recaptcha is: specie, you lot could use some of that in USA of more value than your dollar right now!]
119. Carlton Pryor, Lead Economist, TED-OG | June 22nd, 2008 at 1:34 pm
116. neocon | June 22nd, 2008 at 1:14 pm
You are stupid.
You have gone far beyond beating your chest into the realm of ignorance that might be dmaging because their might be someone here who actually thinks America could be energy independent overnight if any major OPEC supplier cut them off. Your economy would convulse twice, the wealthy would flee and you and your family would be slaughtered in the chaos. And you could count yourself among the lucky to die early.
America is not a nation that can tighten they are the spoiled children of the planet. A simple brownout send people into a tizzy. Imagine if there was no petrol? You cannot eat or drink patriotism or propaganda. America is in enough danger with so much foreign debt and now the Saudis are about to set up a 1 MMMM USD sovereign wealth fund and will come to the US and buy, buy buy up huge chiks of your country.
120. neocon | June 22nd, 2008 at 1:36 pm
Cav,
Thankyou for completely ignoring my questions each and every time. It’s evident that you prefer monologues rather than dialogues.
But I will again address your question. The Sauds would never cut America off because our money built their palaces, mansions and lifestyles. They need our money more than we need their crude. Period.
Once a drill is placed in our “terra”, and domestic reserves are tapped, you’ll hear a collective (you’re familiar with that term) groan from the OPEC community.
have a collectively nice day
peace, neocon
121. js | June 22nd, 2008 at 1:36 pm
All societies did not practise universal standards of vice and virtue, yet it is well known that almost all communities knew what was good and bad. For example, mutual fidelity of consorts, speaking the truth, keeping promises, respecting family ties, helping the poor and weak, were considered signs of good morality. Of course, morality cannot be coded but its rules are well understood. From this attitude arose the famous maxim: “Do not do to others what you do not want to be done to yourself.”
It means that you must wish others what you wish for yourself. Since every one desires security of person and property, liberty to worship, fair trial, freedom of speech etc., these facts, over a period of time, rose to become what is called Human Rights. He who violates these rights is held the enemy of humankind.
When Islamic morality is judged by universal standards, this Arabian religion fails to qualify as the friend and guide of humanity. In fact, it constitutes a major threat to the survival of human race. I have no doubt that the Muslims will protest against this point of view, and as usual, will produce far- fetched and irrational evidence to prove that Islam advocates love and brotherhood of mankind. This type of sorcery has worked wonders for Muslim fundamentalists in the past, but with the dissemination of knowledge, it is difficult to cloud the truth with the magic of misinterprelation, marvel of mesmerisation and mysticism of meaninglessness.
122. neocon | June 22nd, 2008 at 1:40 pm
Carlton darling,
Your first prose:
“You are stupid.”
Was followed by a poorly structured, and mispelled diatribe that proved you to be nothing short of the same. And the death references are indicative of your hateful mindset.
have a nice day
peace, neocon
123. Pain | June 22nd, 2008 at 1:41 pm
117. FmrMarine | June 22nd, 2008 at 1:15 pm
Live in America?
LOL!
Why would anyone who has lived in Europe want to live in a police state like America? Full of bigots and juvenile religious sadists?
If you guys did not post such lies there would be no reason to be here. We comment where the Truth needs to be defended.
And for the record despite being married legally and bound emotionally to a Human Being who is female We love Human Beings that are male. We just do not like bigoted and racist right wing males who think they can lie about whatever they like and not be called on it.
Fmr marine enjoy your Middle Class life and your outmoded ideas they will have to last you for the rest of your life. Now that is sad. :(
124. Pain | June 22nd, 2008 at 1:42 pm
122. neocon | June 22nd, 2008 at 1:40 pm
None of that takes away from the fact neocon that you are, indeed, stupid.
125. neocon | June 22nd, 2008 at 1:42 pm
Carlton,
Hey were you the doorman in the old Mary Tyler Moore show?
peace, neocon
126. js | June 22nd, 2008 at 1:43 pm
119. Carlton Pryor, Lead Economist, TED-OG
i see you are more polution coming from the stupid as hell daily newspaper….did ya ever consider that the freedom you find to post that drivel was given to ya on the backs of americans who, despite your ignorant rant..are far more capable that you want to give us credit for….
127. neocon | June 22nd, 2008 at 1:44 pm
js,
Excellent post.
128. Cavalor Epthith, Esquire, D.S.V.J. | June 22nd, 2008 at 1:45 pm
120. neocon | June 22nd, 2008 at 1:36 pm
Was thee not some sort of embargo in the 70s led by the House of Saud?
Was it an olive embargo? No that is not it at all. Mybe it was a sand embargo? No that cannot be right either. Oh that is right it was an oil embargo. But since it happened I take it you are wrong neocon.
129. neocon | June 22nd, 2008 at 1:49 pm
“Why would anyone who has lived in Europe want to live in a police state like America? Full of bigots and juvenile religious sadists?” - Pain
Now how is this mindset going to lift us up from the divide? Isn’t this the same mindset you excoriate others for Pain?
Yet you harbor the same negative prejudices of others you deem inferior. Again, do you see the hypocrisy?
peace, neocon
130. Carlton Pryor, Lead Economist, TED-OG | June 22nd, 2008 at 1:50 pm
126. js | June 22nd, 2008 at 1:43 pm
Are you out of insults js?
Support the troops? I owe my free speech to US soldiers who have fought and bled and . . . Oh whatever boyo!
You can’t have it both ways using them as an attack ad and something to float on when the tide gets high. Now that is bloody sad for sure. USA #1!!!! Well that’ll get you tossed out on your can in most bars in the area of London I came from right now.
This must be how pitiful the Soviets looked when they saw their little empire crumbling. Don’t worry though mates Obama and the Liberals in Congress in ‘09 will put everything right and even put a few more half crowns in your purses for your trouble.
What a band of funny blokes!
131. Gabrielle Deroscheres | June 22nd, 2008 at 1:53 pm
I had to have a sandwich what did I miss?
Oh I see. A question neocon?
112. neocon | June 22nd, 2008 at 12:58 pm
Those are smears because the quotes aren’t from the book they are filled with omissions to make statements look like Obama is somehow anti- American or anti-white or anti-Christian. That’s how they are smears because they are false and you present them as truth.
132. neocon | June 22nd, 2008 at 1:59 pm
So is the best you guys got? Calling me stupid? You do realize that’s the last resort of bullies on the elementary playground, right?
Cav,
The oil embargo was precipitated by OPEC nations and not just Saudi Arabia. It was in response to Americas defense of Israel.
In the end, America adapted brilliantly by employing new policies, albeit not strong enough, to lessen our dependence on, and consumption of, foreign oil. Once the cash registers in those nations slowed, and OPEC nations sensed America was preparing to move on, the embargo ended.
have a nice day
peace, neocon
133. js | June 22nd, 2008 at 2:04 pm
sorry carleton…i would reply…but your post is so deluded in fantasy….there is nothing legitimate there for a reply….so ill leave it at that….
134. js | June 22nd, 2008 at 2:09 pm
“because the quotes aren’t from the book”
funny….you seem all hopped up and ready for action when I reposted 1 of them…even to the point of including your self proclaimed omission (which actually was no omission…but an emphatic reinforcement of the issue under exchange)
so is this the way we expose your hypocricy and ignorant rants as nothing more than a personal values issue?
135. neocon | June 22nd, 2008 at 2:10 pm
A common theme is evident in all of our liberals posts. And that is a disdain for, and a contempt of, others with different viewpoints.
In their posts, there are often references to intellectual capacity, religious affiliations and color of skin. But what’s more disturbing are the references to violence and death.
These are the same people that lecture, and excoriate others for those same feelings and prejudices that they exhibit on a daily basis.
They just can’t discern the fact that they are perpetuating the same cycle of ignorance that plague those who continue to create the unnecessary misery around the globe.
Intersting isn’t it?
have a nice day
peace, neocon
136. Mark Noonan | June 22nd, 2008 at 2:52 pm
Vicodin,
No, not “ungentlemanly” but, rather, “un-Christian” - I paid you out with the same sort of insult you directed towards me, and for that I am sorry to both you and to God, who is all good and deserving of all our love. And while I will endevour to not do that again, I will advise you - as is my Christian duty - to make efforts on your part to do the same, lest you run into someone who will not only pay you back in your own coin, but seek vengance upon you.
To tie this back int our subject - when Obama stated that one of the attacks we’re bound to launch on him is over his skin color, he used that presumption of knowledge all too common on the left. He thinks he knows what he doens’t know…meanwhile, like almost all leftists, he is unwilling to concede that someone else might have an equally good or ever better idea. We don’t give a tupenny damn for Obama’s skin color - what gets us is his socialism, his immersion in the Culture of Death and his complete ignorance of foreign and military affairs. He’s unfit to be President - and this stands whether he’s a straight, white male or a differently abled transgendered person of color. And if McCain were a differently abled transgendered person of color but retained McCain’s qualities as opposed to Obama’s, McCain would still be better qualified than Obama to be President (though I’d probably end up writing in someone else given the fact that I hold “transgendered” to be an indicator of a serious flaw in personal judgement).
In your arrogance towards me - and the rest o the conservatives here - you demonstrate that same ideologically-blinded view of the world. I have many flaws and my areas of igorance are large - you are and do, too, but you’ll be the last to just voluntarily admit it, and you certainly wouldn’t mean it vis a vis any subject you’d choose to argue with me over. Be that as it may, in spite of the things I don’t know and the mistakes I make, I have been around the world, I am well versed in other civilizations and I know, as far as fallible human being are able, what happened from the dawn of recorded history to the present day. Far from being some frightened rabbit hiding behind Christ, my desire to be a devout Catholic stems from what I’ve learned - but tremendously re-inforced once my learning impelled me to bend the knee to Our Lord. It is I, the Christian, who’s worldview is based on reason - not you; you’re irrational…materliast, determinist, Darwinist (and there’s nothing wrong with Darwin and his theory, but become Darwinism it allows people like you to think you know what you haven’t the faintest notion about). A bit of thinking, a bit of humility before your Creator, and you’ll find the whole world opening up for you…and, also, you’ll not want to think yourself superior to others…and you’d also vote against Obama in November, if not for McCain.
137. FmrMarine | June 22nd, 2008 at 3:01 pm
>>>This must be how pitiful the Soviets looked when they saw their little empire crumbling. >>>>
Actually YOU morons living in your gay paradise laughing at Americawhile islam takes over your country.
YOU will be the ones MURDERED when sharia law takes over……homosexuals will be beheaded.
We will sit back in our middle class lives and wonder how a once proud nation allowed its self to be eradicated, by islam.
Police state USA??
you truly have been sleeping to close to the “crack” it seems that the UK has more cameras per capita than any other nation.
You are persecuted for speech in your nation.
DONT even attempt to preach to us you know NOTHING about us.
138. Gabrielle Deroscheres | June 22nd, 2008 at 3:28 pm
137. FmrMarine | June 22nd, 2008 at 3:01 pm
Closer to the truth for you FM is you know nothin about nothin.
139. FmrMarine | June 22nd, 2008 at 4:42 pm
g (expletive deleted):
I know this…only a complete (expletive deleted) would describe them selves in these following terms.
You people (from hells news)are totally INSANE!
PS vicoden is kelsos nuts on the larry flynt wanna be site.
>>>>”Gabrielle Deroscheres
* Age: 30
* Gender: Female
* Astrological Sign: Leo
* Zodiac Year: Snake
* Location: Dis : Hell
About Me
I have to say that it is such an honor to work with Pain that I am about to burst! When i was alive I dumbed myself down to fit in and being dead now I totally regret doing that. Now to me knowledge is power is my mantra but I still know how to have a good time.>>>>
140. Vicodin-N-Cocoa | June 22nd, 2008 at 4:42 pm
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141. FmrMarine | June 22nd, 2008 at 4:55 pm
vicoden= kelsos nuts
Ill bet you were munching on a salami “sandwich”
nice language pervert.
One day you will meet the “creator” mark is referring to and you wont be happy.All your money, drugs, homosexual liaisons, and menage twas will condemn you to eternal damnation.
The vitreal you spew showw how dark your soul is.
142. neocon | June 22nd, 2008 at 5:03 pm
“If you’re so smart and you love capitalism so much, why aren’t you rich?” - Vicodin
Define rich.
And wherein did you glean that I hate Muslims? Or are you not able to discern the difference?
You seem to have lost your patience Mr. V. What’s wrong? Someone challenging your world view and that makes you resort to profanity and insults.
tsk, tsk……….isn’t that what you blame others for? Unable to lift themselves above the prejudiced fray? I am disappointed.
Also, have you ever heard of Rosia Montana?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Avxf176AhX8
143. Vicodin-N-Cocoa | June 22nd, 2008 at 6:11 pm
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144. Vicodin-N-Cocoa | June 22nd, 2008 at 6:17 pm
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145. FmrMarine | June 22nd, 2008 at 6:27 pm
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146. Vicodin-N-Cocoa | June 22nd, 2008 at 6:42 pm
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147. Cavalor Epthith, Esquire, D.S.V.J. | June 22nd, 2008 at 8:16 pm
146. Vicodin-N-Cocoa | June 22nd, 2008 at 6:42 pm
I think your point is over Napoleon’s head VNC