“Choice” At Work
June 25th, 2008 at 01:48am Mark Noonan
Our liberals are very much about keeping in balance with nature - which means that they’ll have a hard time figuring out how to respond to this:
A new report by the British charity ActionAid indicates that unborn baby girls are being disproportionately aborted in some areas of India, while significant numbers who live until birth are being deliberately neglected and left to die. In one area in the state of Punjab, there are only 300 girls for every 1,000 boys among high cast families, the report claims.
ActionAid joined Canada’s International Development Research Center (IDRC) to produce the Disappearing Daughters report, the BBC says. After interviewing more than 6,000 households in sites across five states in northwestern India, researchers found that the proportion of girls to boys was noticeably below the natural rate of 950 girls to every 1,000 boys.
In three of the five study sites, the ratio of girls to boys was under 800 per 1,000. Researchers found the ratios of girls to boys were declining fastest in relatively prosperous urban areas, leading ActionAid to suggest that the increased use of ultrasound exams may be a factor.
Though a 1994 law banned selective abortion based on the sex of the unborn child, many families still use ultrasound scans to detect and abort female children.
ActionAid says other outlawed practices, such as allowing newborn girls’ umbilical cords to become infected, have also contributed to the sex imbalance.
“The real horror of the situation is that, for women, avoiding having daughters is a rational choice. But for wider society it’s creating an appalling and desperate state of affairs,” said Laura Turquet, women’s rights policy official at ActionAid, according to the BBC.
According to the British medical journal The Lancet, about 10 million unborn baby girls have been aborted in the past 20 years.
This is what the Culture of Death and its handmaid, “pro-choice” brings - and there is no liberal argument against it, because if abortion is really a fundamental human right, then there is no grounds for arguing against any particular reason for having an abortion - including sex selection. On the other hand, if there is no right to an abortion (and there isn’t), then the whole thing is disgusting and will soon cause a catastrophic drop in population because if there are, say, only 500 girls for 1,000 boys, then there’s no way for even zero population growth to happen - down, down, down it will go (though a lot of liberals will be temporarily happy about this, given that they believe in the concept of “over population”…but once the tax base shrinks and the government can’t support liberals via grants, then they’ll start singing a different tune about lower numbers of people). India isn’t the only place with this problem - from what I’ve read, its even worse in China where China’s brutal and anti-human “one child” policy has cause such an imbalance between numbers of men and women that women are de-facto kidnapped in poor Asian nations and sold into marriage in China.
There is a need for balance and for keeping in tune with nature - but keeping in tune with nature isn’t about donating to Greenpeace and pretending that recycling actually does something for nature…no, its actually about keeping in tune with nature, including human nature. Human nature isn’t about greedily thinking only of our selves and considering unborn children as disposable - human nature is about living in a community and being willing to sacrifice for same, while at the same time having a massive respect for the rights of the individual within the community - including the unborn individual.
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28 Comments
1. The New Conservative | June 25th, 2008 at 2:53 am
Great article. I can’t believe anyone would think abortion is the right thing to do. Although I would make exceptions for rape and the life of the mother. It’s not right in those circumstances, but it is more understandable.
2. The New Conservative | June 25th, 2008 at 2:53 am
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3. HarkeysBar | June 25th, 2008 at 9:01 am
::yawn:: another abortion thread? Sheesh….Can we talk about the real issues of this election.
4. Sarah Bloch | June 25th, 2008 at 9:04 am
Wait a minute so none of that post was about America?
5. OhioOrrin | June 25th, 2008 at 9:20 am
A “culture of death” can easily be interpreted to include capital punishment.
6. neocon | June 25th, 2008 at 9:26 am
Ohio,
Since 1976, 1038 inmates have been executed. 57% of them Caucasian
Since 1973 over 48 MILLION unborn children have been aborted.
Now what were you saying?
And Harkey,
You’re right. Innocent childrens death is boring. Unless they’re Iraqi children, right? Then we can blame America!
And isn’t that what matter?
have a nice day
peace, neocon
7. HarkeysBar | June 25th, 2008 at 10:49 am
Neocon,
Abortion has been and always will be a wedge issue. It’s been debated forever…..you’re either for it or against it.
“You’re right. Innocent childrens death is boring. Unless they’re Iraqi children, right? Then we can blame America! ”
You don’t know me son…As usual you have added nothing to the conversation.
Peace,have a nice day.
8. 42 | June 25th, 2008 at 7:39 pm
neocon = troll
so Noonan, how ya gonna feed all these kids since you’re talk about balance in nature…1/3 of China is starving, Ethiopia is worse off then it was in the 80’s while still being better off than other areas in Africa, India has to import grain to feed it’s population…
it’s pretty simple. when there’s enough food for 10 people, if you double that population, you now have 20 people starving, but I guess that’s the way it is for the culture of I’ll do whatever my priest says so I won’t have to actually think.
9. Jeremiah | June 25th, 2008 at 8:05 pm
Although I would make exceptions for rape and the life of the mother.–The New Conservative.
Not too sure. I think if the mommy is healthy, she should have the baby. I just find abortion as murder for any reason. The one thing I would definitely do is put very stiff penalties on the rapist, and which by coincidence the Supreme Court ruled in favor of rapists today, they’re going to let them off the hook. Before you know it, they’ll be saying that murder and assault are ok.
I don’t get this country anymore, we used to treat criminals the way they’re supposed to be treated. Not anymore. Something’s got to give sooner or later.
10. 42 | June 25th, 2008 at 8:11 pm
“I think if the mommy is healthy, she should have the baby”
and if she isn’t healthy…then what?
11. Some Assembly Required | June 25th, 2008 at 8:49 pm
9. Jeremiah | June 25th, 2008 at 8:05 pm
Sorry Jeremiah, you taking some self righteous approach to abortion after your ridiculous ravings about homosexuals is truly unbearable.
Enough is enough!
You would kill homosexuals but protect the fetus. So what about those fetus that you protect which are homosexuals? They won’t realize it until at least puberty. My obvious solution would be to locate the homosexual gene and eliminate any fetus which shows it. What do you think? Do you think maybe theres an Islamic gene too? Maybe we can get ride of that. Oh man, I really think I’m onto something here. Can you imagine, an entire human race of blonde hair blue eyed Christians in as little as three generations without mass genocide. Maybe Hitler was years ahead of his time hey?
You know what, your twisted views are really not far off from his. You see, he was a God fearing man, he also hated homosexuals and was against inter-rational relations. In fact, come to think of it, he wasn’t too fond of non white people either. His view of the world was the way he thought it must be. Anyone who thought otherwise was shot or sent to the gas chamber. He tried to make a pure Christian race. Do you see the similarities? I do.
I often skip over what you write because of how ridiculous it is, but today I read this thread. Enough is enough! Mark will ban those posters from hell for vulgarity but he allows you to post whatever you see fit because you are his ‘brother in Christ’. Let me tell you something, if there is a God, he detests you and people like you. If he does exist and the bible is accurate, you would be the type of scum which was not allowed entry into noahs arc. You would have drowned in the flood waters and not be given the satisfaction of hell. No, you would remain in purgatory because you claimed to know what God wanted. And as such you spoke for God.
Now you see, if there is one thing God would despise (I say this because I know it chaps my ass when people try to speak for me, so if I was an all powerful ruler of all things, I wouldn’t think to highly of it) it would be false prophets. People like yourself who pretend to know exactly what he wants and force that onto others. It’s not enough that these people have faith and believe in the Lord, no! These people must believe in the Lord as you see him. From what you advocate it’s as if you were touched by the hand of God yourself with some divine wisdom and that sir is blasphemy! and very dangerous too boot.
Enough is enough!
Take your hatred and your twisted belief and shove it. Nobody wants it from you. People turn to God himself, not some false prophet who uses some biblical name and comments on a republican propaganda site.
Have a nice day, or not, I really could care less
12. Mark Noonan | June 26th, 2008 at 1:50 am
42,
If you’d read a bit before commenting things would work out better for you - poor Indians can’t afford an ultrasound and an abortion. This is India’s middle and upper class and, furthermore, its not so much having less children, but deciding which children will live. Like most people rising in wealth, Indians of the upper class are opting for one or two designer babies…it is just that for cultural reasons, Indians are preferring male children to female.
The really sad thing is that you can’t see what an utterly inhuman horror this all is…
13. JustAnotherTaxpayer | June 26th, 2008 at 1:57 am
To the editors and
Jeremiah,
You still haven’t answered me: Who will take responsibility for these children? As the article made clear, some these children are brought to term and then left to die. Looking at fetus photos, or even healthy term babies makes no difference. These children are not just unwanted by their mothers, as the article seems to insinuate that the whole of the extended families, or caste groups, seems to play a part in this. By the way this isn’t a recent push by plannned parenthood for family planning. This practice seems deeply rooted in Indian History. Who or what outside of India are you blaming, and why?
If your looking for an example of this practice from antiquity, look to the pregenitors of “The 300″, the Spartans.
There is a serious need here for contrception or family planing. Failing that, where are the adoption agencies? Who will take responsibility for these children? If they are so precious to the almighty, why aren’t you doing anything about it? Or is this another example of liberal condemnation and meaningless talk.
You claim you tell people of Gods condemnation of their actions because the almighty obligates you. Well, let’s see what the
gospel says:
Matthew Ch 6/Line 5
“When you pray, do not behave like the hypocrites who love to stand and pray in sysnagogues or on street corners in order to be noticed. I give you my word they are already repaid. Whenever you, go to your room close your door, and pray to your father in private. Then your father who sees what no man sees, wil repay you.”
Matthew Chapter 7:
If you want to avoid judgement, stop passing judgement. Your verdict on others will be the verdict pased on you.
Looking forward to your response. Any serious discussion of biblical text will be welcomed.
14. Mark Noonan | June 26th, 2008 at 2:06 am
JAT,
You actually hit a bit of the nail on the head with your last bit - I can’t tell you what I do for children and mothers in dire straights…to do so would be moral exhibitionism, and Our Lord condemned that. But it is a pure slander on your part if you even think for a moment that Christians aren’t, every day, expending time and money to help those who are in need. We’ll do what is necessary, though none of us will tell you what we, as individuals, do.
15. Jeremiah | June 26th, 2008 at 2:20 am
Psalm 139
O Lord, you have searched me and you know me. You know when I sit and when I rise; you perceive my thoughts from afar. You discern my going out and my lying down; you are familiar with all my ways. Before a word is on my tongue you know it completely, O Lord.
You hem me in–behind and before; you have laid your hand upon me. Such knowledge is too wonderful for me, too lofty for me to attain. Where can I go from your Spirit? Where can I flee from your presence? If I go up to the heavens, you are there; if I make my bed in the depths, you are there. If I rise on the wings of the dawn, if I settle on the far side of the sea, even there your hand will guide me, your right hand will hold me fast. If I say, “Surely the darkness will hide me and the light become night around me,” even the darkness will not be dark to you; the night will shine like the day, for darkness is as light to you. For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother’s womb. I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, I know that full well. My frame was not hidden from you when I was made in the secret place. When I was woven together in the depths of the earth, your eyes saw my unformed body. All the days ordained for me were written in your book before one of them became to be. How precious to me are your thoughts, O God! How vast is the sum of them! Were I to count them, they would outnumber the grains of sand. When I awake, I am still with you. If only you would slay the wicked, O God! Away from me, you bloodthirsty men! They speak of you with evil intent; your adversaries misuse your name. Do I hnot hate those who hate you, O Lord, and abhor those who rise against you? I have nothing but hatred for them; I count them my enemies. Search me, O God, and know my heart; test me and know my anxious thoughts. See if there is any offensive way in me, and lead me in the way everlasting.
16. JustAnotherTaxpayer | June 26th, 2008 at 3:40 am
Mr. Noonan,
I again appreciate the time you’ve taken from your busy schedule to answer my query. And I appreciate even more your comment that I “Hit a bit of the nail on the head.”
But your response seemed evasive. If you work for or support an organization that encourages family planning, (Yes, one can discuss preventing unwanted pregnancy without offering abortion.), and making adoption less time consuming and expensive, I’d contribute. Heck, if you wanted to make a law demanding that any prospective adoptive couple get to talk with a prospective abortion seeker before getting one, I’d go that far. By discussing the organizations activities, I think you would be avoiding the “moral exhibitionsim” you abhor.
Without the action, the condemnation you offer is mean, as well as meaningless.
Aside from that, there is the question of what cultural influences your discusing here. Leaving babies to die, whatever an individual feels in this country, is against the law in all 50 states. It always has been. It’s murder. And while anti abortion groups here have always used pictures of fetuses to make their point about them having the same rights as full term babies, it seems to be having the opposite effect on the peoples you’ve described here.
What relationship does this have to pro choice
movement here.
Jeremiah,
I’ll grant you everything you say is gospel.
So what are you going to do? At least, Mr. Noonan intimated that he did something to help mothers in trouble. What do you do?
Anything other than talk? And talk to condemn? Are you stuck in the old testament?
In conjunction with the verses I quoted earlier, perhaps you would understand me better if you focused focus on the last line of the text you quoted!!
It speaks of reflection, not preaching.
Another verse to add from the new Testament:
Matthew Ch 7/Line 20-23
A tree is known by its fruit. None of those who cry out, “Lord, Lord”, will enter the kingdom of God but only the one who does the will of my Father in Heaven. When that day comes, many will plead with me, “Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in your name? have we not exorcised demons in your name? Have we not exorcised demons by its power? Did we not do many miracles in your name as well? Then I will declare solemnly, “I never knew you. Out of my sight, evildoers.”
It seems to me that what’s being said here is that it’s what YOU! do to build a relationship with the Almighty. Not the influence, political or otherwise, that helps you build a relationship with the almighty for others.
A tree is known by its fruit, not its talk.
Look forward to your response.
PS is there evil intent in demanding that one be willing and able to take on the responsibilities they demand that others take on?
Do you think the Lord demands any less from those who follow him?
Some New Testament, please?
17. Jeremiah | June 26th, 2008 at 8:21 am
Some New Testament, please?
The God in the Old Testament is the same one in the New Testament is the same God today, and will be the same God through to the end of time…God never changes. And He literally abhors murder, and is why He demands a murderer’s life.
No part of the Bible changes to become justification for murder, if it were so, then He would have told us so.
Now for your other question - “What are you going to do?”
I’m going to pray for these individuals. And I would stress to these mommies to think before they act, and pray for the Lord to bless them and that they will be able to raise their children with the dignity and honor that is due them. That’s all anyone can do.
18. Jeremiah | June 26th, 2008 at 8:28 am
Some New Testament, please?
The God in the Old Testament is the same one in the New Testament is the same God today, and will be the same God through to the end of time…God never changes. And He literally abhors murder, and is why He demands a murderer’s life.
No part of the Bible changes to become justification for murder, if it were so, then He would have told us so.
Now for your other question - “What are you going to do?”
I’m going to pray for these individuals. And I would stress to these mommies to think before they act, and pray for the Lord to bless them and that they will be able to raise their children with the dignity and honor that is due them. That’s all anyone can do.
……..
19. JustAnotherTaxpayer | June 26th, 2008 at 10:16 am
Jeremiah,
The Almighty of the Old Testment is the same as the Almighty of the new. But there are facets of his philisophy that are revealed in the New that are different from the old, and this is where you oldsters fail when you try to present the Gospel to others. To wit:
Exodus ch 21/Lines 20-21
When a man strikes his male or female slave witha rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or 2, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property.
The Hebrews leader, Moses, just having freed his people from hard bondage, tells them that the almighty has said this meets with his approval.
Note the punishment here for slave owners causing immediate death isn’t even spelled out.
Start explaining, sir. Can’t wait to hear your explanation for your refusal to cite New Testament from the Lord in light of this and other statements and stories from the old.
Look forward to your explanation.
20. FmrMarine | June 26th, 2008 at 6:14 pm
Deleted - use of banned word.
21. FmrMarine | June 26th, 2008 at 6:37 pm
jat:
>>>>>A tree is known by its fruit. None of those who cry out, “Lord, Lord”, will enter the kingdom of God but only the one who does the will of my Father in Heaven. When that day comes, many will plead with me, “Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in your name? have we not exorcised demons in your name? Have we not exorcised demons by its power? Did we not do many miracles in your name as well? Then I will declare solemnly, “I never knew you. Out of my sight, evildoers.”>>>>
SOOO your “good fruits” are arguing on the internet, for the killing of 50,000,000 babies in their mothers wombs because they would be hungry if they lived?
WTF?
How do you know Jer doesnt bear good fruits?
I believe he walks with the Lord. I do not agree with him on everything, but he makes FAR more sense than you do.
>>>>If you want to avoid judgement, stop passing judgement. Your verdict on others will be the verdict pased on you.>>>>
BACK atcha !
22. FmrMarine | June 26th, 2008 at 7:00 pm
jat
And if the house be worthy, let your peace come upon it: but if it be not worthy, let your peace return to you.
14 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, as ye go forth out of that house or that city, shake off the dust of your feet.
15 Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah in the day of judgment, than for that city.
23. Jeremiah | June 26th, 2008 at 8:47 pm
JAT,
Matthew 19:16-18
Now a man came up to Jesus and asked, “Teacher, what good thinkg must I do to get eternal life?” “Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, obey the commandments.” “Which ones?” the man inquired. Jesus replied, “‘Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not give false testimony, honor your father and mother,’ and ‘love your neighbor as yourself.’”
Romans 13:9
The commandments, “Do not commit adultery,” “Do not murder,” “Do not steal,” “Do not covet,” and whatever other commandment there may be, are summed up in this one rule:”Love your neighbor as yourself.”
John 16:21
A woman giving birth to a child has pain because her time has come; but when her baby is born she forgets the anguish because of her joy that a child is born into the world.
1 Peter 2:2
Like newborn babies, crave pure spiritual milk, so that by it you may grow up in your salvation.
Luke 12:2
There is nothing concealed that will not be disclosed, or hidden that will not be made known.
God knows every intent of our hearts, and by all means, there is nothing that will get by Him unnoticed–the little ones are still regarded as humans made in His image.
24. Mark Noonan | June 27th, 2008 at 2:38 am
JAT,
It is the so-called “pro choice” side which asserts that abortion is a fundamental human right - an absurd concept, of course, because a fundamental human right cannot require the participation of another human being, nor can a fundamental human right accrue to only 50% of the population. But, that is just what the pro-choice side claims - abortion is a right; in service of this view, they have spread it ’round th globe until, now, girls are being murdered in-utero because they are unwanted and this deliberate and calculated act of murderous mysogyny is something you on the pro-choice side can’t even condemn without ruining your own position.
25. kmg | June 27th, 2008 at 8:16 am
Deleted - off topic.
26. js | June 27th, 2008 at 8:52 am
why is it that everytime the sodomites address the issue of homosexuality they always claim that men and women are running around committing sodomy too….I have yet to see any actual, legitimate scientific studies that demonstrate that as a fact….even more so…I really dont know anyone who prefers to ignore the right hole for the wrong one….nor has any woman ever asked….strange how that works….legit studies have shown that less than 1/3 of the women out there have ever had anal sex….the truth is….7% of them have tried it more than once…so….its not societies norm for men and women to have anal sex….as a matter of fact….93% of the women who tried anal sex didnt allow thier partner a second shot at the wrong hole….out of all of society…barely over 2% of the women in the USA ever did it more than once….a relative figure to those who claim to be born as sexually deviant charactures….
so….by far….the relative nature of your lies does expose a very valid issue…that sodomites will go to any length…tell any lie…to justify thier perversion of natural human behavior…
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