63 Comments

• 1. js  |  June 25th, 2008 at 8:28 am

  simple truth

  cant get around it

• 2. Marty13  |  June 25th, 2008 at 8:37 am

  Ouuchh! You’re right that ad leaves a mark. And talk about resonance, ……….last time I checked on what issues are concerning voters this election cycle, campaign finance reform was paramount with about .002 percent of them. I mean literally dozens of American voters are basing thier eventual choice on this single concern.

• 3. kmg  |  June 25th, 2008 at 8:43 am

  Yep, it is certainly devastating to see McCain chastising Obama for breaking his word when McCain is breaking the law that bears his name.

• 4. HarkeysBar  |  June 25th, 2008 at 8:59 am

  Absolutley devastating?

  What a joke….

  Keating 5…

• 5. neocon  |  June 25th, 2008 at 9:03 am

  So Marty and kmg,

  You are acknowledging then that Obama is just like most other politicians, right?

  THAT’S THE POINT.

  He billed himself as different kind of candidate. You know, that change thing. Guess what?

  Obama is just another corrupt Chicago pol who is the beneficiary of a slick marketing campaign that was designed to penetrate impressionable minds. Considering your comments, I’d say the campaign worked.

  peace, neocon

• 6. Retired Spook  |  June 25th, 2008 at 9:25 am

  Marty, you missed the entire point of the ad — it just blew right through that empty space between your ears. The ad isn’t about CFR, it’s about Obama’s ability to keep his word. And if he can’t keep his word on something as inconsequential as accepting public financing, then what’s he gonna do on the truly important issues. Truth is, his word doesn’t mean anything. We had a President that personified that trait back in the 90’s — we don’t need another one.

• 7. David B. Schmidt  |  June 25th, 2008 at 10:50 am

  The other set of “just words” Sen. Obama is back-peddling on as fast as possible and should be in the next round of commercials is “I will debate him [Sen McCain] anytime, anywhere.”

  Maybe he meant something else like under my conditions with my teleprompter and softball questions that I can answer with “Hope” and “Change.”

• 8. The New Conservative  |  June 25th, 2008 at 11:21 am

  Looks like the Dems are going to wish they had vetted this guy more. This is going to be a blow out come November. McCain 08

  http://www.thenewconservatives.blogspot.com/

• 9. Marty13  |  June 25th, 2008 at 1:34 pm

  Spook thanks for the rebuke…….like Joe Pesci opines in My Cousin Vinny, “yeah know, I could use a good ass kickin, but I think I’ll just take the two hundred dollars.” But I digress. Are you really assuming a stance that McCain is a man whose word is inviolate. That once uttered, his stance never assumes nuance, has ever been modified or changed completely. Is this what your saying?
  BTW, “retired spook?” Spook as in foggy bottom? If so, how could you of all people be both sword and shield for this administration? Dickey and Dubya have been punking the company for years.

• 10. Republican Killer  |  June 25th, 2008 at 1:52 pm

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• 11. Retired Spook  |  June 25th, 2008 at 2:39 pm

  Are you really assuming a stance that McCain is a man whose word is inviolate. That once uttered, his stance never assumes nuance, has ever been modified or changed completely.

  First of all, I’m not a big John McCain fan. In the list of GOP candidates he was about my 5th or 6th choice. And, no, I’m not saying his word is inviolate. He’s a politician so I can’t imagine anyone, even his staunchest supporters making that claim. That said, I do believe he is a more honorable man than Obama, and, I think, if elected President, McCain will do less damage than Obama. I know — sad way to look at choosing a President, but a reality, nonetheless.

  BTW, “retired spook?” Spook as in foggy bottom?

  Nah, farther down the food chain. I’m a retired Navy signals intelligence officer. The Foggy Bottom types were one of our primary consumers, however.

  Dickey and Dubya have been punking the company for years.

  I still have a friend who has active ties to the spook world. From my correspondence with him I’d have to assume that there are many at the “Company” who deserved to be “punked”. Many of us in the retired intelligence community had hoped that Porter Goss would clean house at Langley. I would have loved to have been a fly on the wall when he was forced to resign.

• 12. David B. Schmidt  |  June 25th, 2008 at 3:15 pm

  RK,

  McCain is barely a republican and probably not the first choice of any conservative on this blog; nonetheless, pointing out his flip-flops does nothing to mitigate Obama speaking out both sides of his face.

  “I will debate him anywhere, anytime” turns into a speech (teleprompter w/ no questions) and a July 4th w/ no real questions. Please, without his teleprompter and a friendly audience — Obama would spiral to his death as people find out what an empty suit he is.

  Hopefully, as people start paying attention–the pressure to have multiple town halls without teleprompters and people asking real questions of both candidates–the weak will fall.

  Goodbye Obama…

• 13. Republican Killer  |  June 25th, 2008 at 3:57 pm

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• 14. Republican Killer  |  June 25th, 2008 at 4:03 pm

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• 15. Dennis  |  June 25th, 2008 at 4:19 pm

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• 16. neocon  |  June 25th, 2008 at 4:21 pm

  Republican Killer,

  Your understanding of conservatism is as deficient as your understanding of America. Do you honestly believe that America is a “caretaker”?

  Seriously? Is that how you view this country? And why do you need to be taken care of? Have you failed at everything you tried?

  People with limited understanding, and those that look to demonize others they blame for their problems, such as you, ARE THE PROBLEM.

  It’s actually quite amusing that you revealed such an immature mindset in post #14. You may want to adhere to the saying:

  It’s best to keep ones mouth shut and appear the fool, then open it and remove all doubt.

  I have no doubt anymore.

  have a nice day
  peace, neocon

• 17. Retired Spook  |  June 25th, 2008 at 4:26 pm

  Republicans are going to lose big time because you idiots don’t look at the big picture.

  RK, that may very well be, but I’m gonna predict that if Obama is elected, come this time next year there is going to be a lot of buyer’s remorse on the part of a lot of people who bought into the illusion of “change and hope”. As I said in a previous thread, because of where my wife and I live, our age and our sources of income, we’re largely insulated from any damage emanating from inside the Beltway. I do think that a lot of the younger generation that has become so enthralled with Obama’s message is going to have a WTF moment when they find out what he has in store for this country.

• 18. Republican Killer  |  June 25th, 2008 at 4:30 pm

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• 19. Republican Killer  |  June 25th, 2008 at 4:34 pm

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• 20. neocon  |  June 25th, 2008 at 4:36 pm

  Rebublican,

  Why did you suddenly leap to terrorism? And who said the conservatives are the only ones that can save America?

  Presumptions are the building blocks of ignorance. And you evidently have a nice foundation going.

  The fact is there hasn’t been another attack, and their capabilities are diminishing daily. If we withdraw, they will regain their ability to ramp up again.

  I am also suspect about having someone of your mindset lead this country. You obviously hate conservatives, which would lead me to ask: who else do you hate? And would you treat them the same way?

  We don’t need people like that. Just saying.

  peace, neocon

• 21. neocon  |  June 25th, 2008 at 4:40 pm

  The voters had a chance in 2004 to show their displeasure with the current administration and, despite low poll numbers then, when faced with the prospects of the mindless liberal John Francois Kerry, they again chose Bush, which refute your buyers remorse claim.

  In 2008, Bush is not on the ballot, much to the chagrin of liberals, however, when voters are again faced with the prospects of an even more brain dead liberal Barry Hussein Obama, they again will choose the more sensible choice of John McCain.

  Take that to the bank

  peace, neocon

• 22. Republican Killer  |  June 25th, 2008 at 4:44 pm

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• 23. Republican Killer  |  June 25th, 2008 at 4:49 pm

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• 24. neocon  |  June 25th, 2008 at 4:56 pm

  Republican,

  Your posts read like that of any liberal brochure, and your investment into the polls is humurous. That aside, your assertion that the “tough men” wanted to kick some ME ass, is just deliciously, ignorantly pedestrian.

  You also apparently have a lot of pent up anger, which isn’t healthy and you may want to address it. I can tell you that it stems from your ignorance. Wise and informed people do not let external forces create such internal havoc.

  Just saying
  peace, neocon

• 25. neocon  |  June 25th, 2008 at 5:00 pm

  Republican,

  I will tell you that your litany of baseless propaganda is considered intellectual on other, more liberal sites.

  Here, it is simply chalked up to uninformed rantings and quickly ignored. We have all read and debated these topics ad nauseum.

  You are VERY LATE to the party.
  Again, just saying
  peace, neocon

• 26. Republican Killer  |  June 25th, 2008 at 5:05 pm

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• 27. Republican Killer  |  June 25th, 2008 at 5:09 pm

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• 28. Some Assembly Required  |  June 25th, 2008 at 5:19 pm

  17. Retired Spook | June 25th, 2008 at 4:26 pm

  I’d agree that some of his supporters will have that WTF moment, mainly the 18 - 20 bracket that are just new to politics. Personally, I do not believe any real change will be seen until Obama’s second term. I think he’ll be spending the vast majority of his first time trying to get a handle on the Iraq situation and limiting the debt that we are currently in. His push for healthcare may come a little easier especially if he begins by instating some type of standard that insurance companies have to adhere too before he gets his congress plan for everyone off the ground. Then theres the Iran situation, if that heats up well, a lot will get pushed to the back burner.

  I like Obama because of what he plans to do when given the chance. His judgement and the fact that he is not pandering just to get votes. Say what you want against that statement but his Rev. Wright speech is proof. He could have came out and just threw Wright under the bus the moment that story broke but no, he stood his ground. He delivered a powerful and unwaivering speech which confronted the issue head on. It was only after when Wright came out with more controversial remarks that he threw him under the bus so to speak.

  Regardless, whether McCain of Obama takes the reigns in January, I can almost all but guarantee you that their platforms will take a back burner from day one when their presented with the steaming pile of poo the current administration has left. A 7 trillion dollar debt is not something you can ignore.

• 29. FmrMarine  |  June 25th, 2008 at 6:14 pm

  Neo;
  check this out scarier than sKerry

  http://www.macsmind.com/wordpress/2008/02/27/obama-plans-to-disarm-america/

• 30. FmrMarine  |  June 25th, 2008 at 6:23 pm

  Mark;

  I see that either vicoden or schwartz-putz the banned posters have resurrected themselves as……
  “republican killer”.
  The first time posters immediately go to vile language, and insults…NICE TRY…..but NO CIGAR !

• 31. Republican Killer  |  June 25th, 2008 at 6:45 pm

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• 32. Fredrick Schwartz  |  June 25th, 2008 at 6:51 pm

  5. neocon | June 25th, 2008 at 9:03 am

  If you have to explain it to the rednecks in the flyovers neocon its as worthless as tits on a baor hog.

  Campaign finance reform? Public financing system? That got anything to do with NASCAR?

  Hey I’ve got a question is it okay for conservatives to watch golf again now that Tiger is out for the year?

  What till those hayseeds realize a “You Rope Pee Ann” company is going to by their precious Budweiser!

  Bwahahahahahaha!

• 33. William Teach  |  June 25th, 2008 at 6:55 pm

  Wow, look at the liberal deflections fly!!!! If we could only harness the power of deflection, you could get at least 20K miles out of every liberal.

  50K out of elected liberals.

  Say RK, I thought you lefties said Bush was dumb. He must be pretty smart to be able to do what you say he did.

  But, more then likely, you are just relying on your talking points emails from MoveOn or similar loon site.

• 34. Sarah Bloch  |  June 25th, 2008 at 6:57 pm

  17. Retired Spook | June 25th, 2008 at 4:26 pm

  And you know what Retired Spook America should take the cance of having “buyer’s remorse” in a year because like alwys they will be able to remove him from office in 2012 just like all the rest if he can’t perform. but that’s not what you are worried about is it? your greatest fear is that he will be mature into a great statesman in the Kennedy or even Lincoln mold. Barack Obama being in the top ten or even top five of presidents all time is what scares you to death.

• 35. neocon  |  June 25th, 2008 at 7:01 pm

  SAR,

  I give you props. That a was a well written and articulated post.

  I will challenge your Rev Wright remark in that Wright did not come out with any new controversial remarks at the Press Club. He simply reiterated what he had said previously on numerous occasions. It was only when the heat was turned up did Obama do a 180.

  McCain is a known entity. He’s been around a long time and people know him. I think as this campaign goes on, people will realize how little they know of Obama and will ultimately vote for the safe and solid candidate.

  Especially in a time of change. Now that’s hope. (sorry, couldn’t resist)

  peace, neocon

• 36. Gabrielle Deroscheres  |  June 25th, 2008 at 7:04 pm

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• 37. Republican Killer  |  June 25th, 2008 at 7:09 pm

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• 38. neocon  |  June 25th, 2008 at 7:10 pm

  Sarah,

  Why would that scare Spook? Be specific.

  Fredrick darling,

  How the hell are you? I have found your little website to be quite the little narcissistic freak show that substitutes debate in favor of simplistic, delusional monologues. In fact, much like your post here today.

  have a nice day
  peace, neocon

• 39. neocon  |  June 25th, 2008 at 7:23 pm

  Who else feels like they’re in a time warp when reading Republican Killer?

  And when did Enron happen again?

• 40. kmg  |  June 25th, 2008 at 7:25 pm

  5. neocon | June 25th, 2008 at 9:03 am

  So Marty and kmg, You are acknowledging then that Obama is just like most other politicians, right?

  Wrong. I was pointing out McCain’s hypocrisy.

  However, as I did in a previous thread on this topic, for the purpose of debate I will conceded that Obama broke his word. McCain broke the law, but I have not seen anything about that. Whenever that fact is brought up, it is just ignored. Why do you think it is worse to break your word than break the law?

• 41. Cooldown  |  June 25th, 2008 at 7:31 pm

  On this issue I don’t mind the flip flop. In fact welcome it. It shows Obama is in it to win. No more of this timid Democratic crap. He will have the money to counter every future swift-boat lie

• 42. neocon  |  June 25th, 2008 at 7:35 pm

  kmg,

  Have I ever stated that I think it is worse to break your word than it is the law? I must have, because I know you wouldn’t words in my mouth, right?

  Truth is, I have never said that, and I was so furious over McCain on that legislation that I wouldn’t defend him at all over that. However I have a feeling that this is just another drama queen talking point, in a long line of drama queen talking points, from the left that will never gain any traction.

  But I do find everyones reluctance to address Obamas shortcomings quite telling.

  have a nice day
  peace, neocon

• 43. neocon  |  June 25th, 2008 at 7:39 pm

  Cooldown,

  If you can prove the swift boaters lied, call T. Boone Pickens immediately.

  peace

• 44. kmg  |  June 25th, 2008 at 7:42 pm

  neocon,

  Perhaps I am mistaken. Can you point me to a post where you harped against McCain when he withdrew from public financing? Just to be clear, it is about his violation of the law, not his passing of McCain-Feingold.

• 45. Retired Spook  |  June 25th, 2008 at 7:51 pm

  your greatest fear is that he will be mature into a great statesman in the Kennedy or even Lincoln mold. Barack Obama being in the top ten or even top five of presidents all time is what scares you to death.

  Sarah, I have no idea why you would think that, but nothing could be further from the truth. I won’t vote for Obama, but, if he’s elected, I hope he turns out to be the best President ever. First and foremost I love this country, as evidenced by the fact that I dedicated 24 years of my life to serving and protecting it, and wishing a liberal President to be a failure (or fearing that he’ll be a success) is clearly not in the best interest of this country. In assessing how I feel about him personally, I can only go by what I see and hear. He is a man who has associated most of his adult life with people who either hate whites, hate America or both — not a good trait for a man who hopes to unite America. No one in the United States Senate has reached out to the other side of the aisle less than Senator Obama — not a good trait for a man who hopes to unite America.

• 46. neocon  |  June 25th, 2008 at 8:04 pm

  kmg,

  I don’t care. It’s a non-issue with me. McCain has been a fairly typical politician for years and it’s almost expected.

  What’s being pointed out here is very simple. Obama has positioned himself to be not your typical politician, yet he’s acting very typical, politically, so far. That’s it. No need to hyperventilate.

  peace, neocon

• 47. Some Assembly Required  |  June 25th, 2008 at 8:21 pm

  “I will challenge your Rev Wright remark in that Wright did not come out with any new controversial remarks at the Press Club. He simply reiterated what he had said previously on numerous occasions.” - Neocon

  Yes, this is true. However, Obama condemned Wrights remarks and not Wright at first. Then Wright gets on the public stage and says the same things again. What choice would that leave Obama? I mean, in all honesty what would you expect him to do? If he stands by a man who continues to espouse controversial remarks what would that say about him?

  So he walks away and you fault him for it. This is where the partisanship comes into play. You would fault him for standing by Wright and you fault him for throwing Wright under the bus. Either way you will fault him. Why? because he is a democrat, or a liberal or because he is black. Now, you cannot come out and openly say this so you have to find something, anything to justify it. It’s this need to justify your, lets call it ‘hatred’, that you will lose this election. Your so desperate that you are becoming blatantly hypocritical and even resorting to rumors. Combine all this with a sinking economy and people who really could care less about public financing, gay marriage, or abortion and you effectively shoot yourselves in the foot. I’m truly amazed, you fellas were incredibly organized in 2004 and were dancing circles around the democrats. Now, it seems like your chasing your tail on a national stage.

• 48. neocon  |  June 25th, 2008 at 8:35 pm

  Now why do you bring up race? I have never expressed any concern over the color of his skin. Yet it is thrown on table everytime by liberals when defending him. Why do you suppose that it is?

  And you certainly digressed quickly into negative, baseless presumptions.

  For the record, I don’t hate Obama. In fact I have quite a bit of respect for him and will consider him to be a political force for a long time to come. His lack of experience is a bit of concern to me but it’s his view of America and his view of governing that I strongly object to.

  I don’t care for his pandering rhetoric, his naive foreign policy, or his socialized economic agenda. I’ll be shocked if you disagree.

  peace, neocon

• 49. Cooldown  |  June 25th, 2008 at 8:36 pm

  43. neocon | June 25th, 2008 at 7:39 pm
  Cooldown,If you can prove the swift boaters lied, call T. Boone Pickens immediately.

  Wasn’t on Kerry’s boat, but neither was Pickens or any and I repeat any of Picken’s swift-boaters. Therefore the truth is what Pickens wants it to be.

• 50. neocon  |  June 25th, 2008 at 8:50 pm

  Or the truth that you want it to be, right? Maybe reminiscent of Genghis Khan?

  And are you saying that you despise 527 groups?

  peace, neocon

• 51. William Teach  |  June 25th, 2008 at 8:52 pm

  On this issue I don’t mind the flip flop. In fact welcome it. It shows Obama is in it to win. No more of this timid Democratic crap. He will have the money to counter every future swift-boat lie. Cooldown

  In other words, you are saying that you understand that Obama is just a typical politician, and you want him to be the typical duplicitous politician we are familiar with. So, you aren’t buying al the hope and change BS hype, eh?

• 52. kmg  |  June 25th, 2008 at 8:53 pm

  neocon,

  No need to worry about me hyperventilating. No caps in my post and no exclamation marks. Anyway, you (collectively) have little credibility when you throw stones at Obama for doing the same thing your candidate does, only Obama does it to a lesser degree. The “your candidate is just as slimy as my candidate” argument isn’t very persuasive.

• 53. Some Assembly Required  |  June 25th, 2008 at 9:09 pm

  Neocon, I find it truly disheartening that of my post, all you took out of it was race. It really says a lot about you. As for not hating him, you may not come out and say it, but there is such a thing as word association.

  “I don’t care for his pandering rhetoric, his naive foreign policy, or his socialized economic agenda. I’ll be shocked if you disagree.”

  Pandering Rhetoric: The man is saying whatever it takes to get elected. He is not to be trusted. Our Candidate does not pander, but when he does, he’s not running on ‘Change’ so it’s fine.

  Naive Foreign Policy: Terrorists, Terrorists, Terrorists, 9/11, Iraq, AQ, Iran… He’ll have lunch with all of them but not our generals.

  Socialized Economic Agenda: Nanny state, Russia, China, North Korea. The government will take control of everything and run your lives. Nevermind FISA or The Patriot Act.

  Finally this brings me back to what I said about Rev. Wright, you fault him for standing by the Rev first, then you fault him for throwing the Rev under the bus after.

  You do not specifically say the word ‘Hate’ but everything you do and say is an attempt to justify your ‘partisanship’ or ‘hatred’ towards him.

• 54. neocon  |  June 25th, 2008 at 9:35 pm

  kmg,

  McCain was my 4th choice for the nominee. Not exactly “my” candidate. But he is far better than the alternative.

  SAR,

  So expressing my opinon of his policies is tantamount to “hating him”? He does pander, his foreign policy is a bit naive, and his economic agenda is quite a bit socialized. Those are just facts.

  peace, neocon

• 55. neocon  |  June 25th, 2008 at 9:40 pm

  “The “your candidate is just as slimy as my candidate” argument isn’t very persuasive.” - kmg

  Oh and incidentally, that is YOUR argument. When confronted with Obamas malfeasance, you’ve been pointing to McCain.

  LOL
  peace, neocon

• 56. Some Assembly Required  |  June 25th, 2008 at 9:42 pm

  Pandering, I can get that. Both candidates do it, it is inevitable. Please provide proof as to how his foreign policy is naive and that his economic agenda is socialist.

  Talking to enemies, is not naive it’s called diplomacy, something which has in large part been forgot these past 7 years.

  The only thing I consider even close to socialist is his healthcare proposal, but then why should congress get better healthcare then average joe bloke? They are bureaucrats after all. Aside from that, a tax cut to the middle class and a tax raise to upper class is socialist?

  I stand by what I said though I do apologize if I came across a little rude, it’s been a rough day.

• 57. Danish Artist  |  June 25th, 2008 at 9:56 pm

  Cooldown,

  “Wasn’t on Kerry’s boat, but neither was Pickens or any and I repeat any of Picken’s swift-boaters. Therefore the truth is what Pickens wants it to be.”

  For your information, the swiftboats rarely patrolled alone. There were others with Kerry. Those who patrolled with him while on different boats still witnessed his foolishness and lies.

  now, answer to the topic or go away.

• 58. Republican Killer  |  June 25th, 2008 at 10:19 pm

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• 59. kmg  |  June 25th, 2008 at 10:40 pm

  neocon,

  I haven’t made that argument. I’ve only pointed out the hypocrisy. For every post on this site attacking Obama, McCain and/or the Republicans can be shown to have done or said the same thing. This blog attacks Obama for the seal he put out, suggesting it is illegal. At the same time they have the actual Presidential Seal on their blog and the Congressional Republicans have their own versions. They attack Obama for associating with Rev. Wright, but they allow an admitted racist and bigot, Jeremiah, to post with impunity. They call Obama a liar for turning down public financing, but completely ignore McCain’s campaign finance problem. Mark posts about “Those Who Come To Hate” right after he makes a classless statement about liberals.

  So, if to you drawing attention to the hypocrisy on this blog is the same as saying my guy is as sleazy as your guy, you are free to draw that conclusion.

  To be honest, I think you are one of the better posters on this blog, when you stay away from the personal insults and the condescending attitude. You put forward good arguments and you can keep a debate on the issues interesting.

  If you want a debate on the proposals of both sides, I’m all for it. I think all of the information should be out there for debate, but free from the childish name-calling. Again, this isn’t directed at just you, but at everyone on both sides. I think Republican Killer’s arguments are as weak and inneffective as FmrMarine’s. When you start by throwing out the insults, your argument just gets tuned out.

  I’ll be the first to pledge that I won’t insult or condescend to anyone on this blog. Except for Jeremiah; he’s a racist.

  I would be happy to see the rest of the posters here make the same pledge.

• 60. js  |  June 25th, 2008 at 11:08 pm

  do you really think anyone needs to debate anything about obama? he is a liar…he refuses to take responsibility when the truth spits in his face…he is like hot and cold running water…

  when you scrape the bottom of the bucket….you get scum…thats where the DNC got Obama….face it…he is the fall guy for the failure of the democratic party….his ego is stoked…and he is being set up for the big fall…wake up….the dog is about to get kicked…hard.

• 61. Mark Noonan  |  June 26th, 2008 at 1:42 am

  SAR,

  Nice try, but Obama’s race speech was an attempt at damage control and while it made some peoples’ legs tingle, most of us saw it for what it was - and attempt to strike a balance between the extreme left and the center…it didn’t work, and Obama was forced to make a complete break with Wright, but he’s yet to explain to us how he could sit there for 20 years listening to that nonsense and only when running for President figure out how vile it is.

  Obama has a serious problem with honesty - and one begins to wonder if this whole episode is God’s way of eventually forcing Obama to really confront the truth…

• 62. Mark Noonan  |  June 26th, 2008 at 1:44 am

  kmg,

  Observing that a liberal won’t allow a friend to advise about sexual activity but will allow a faceless bureaucrat to run his health care is a classless remark?

  If that is an insult, I’d like to know what you think of what the say about me at Daily Pitchfork…

• 63. Some Assembly Required  |  June 26th, 2008 at 8:43 am

  61. Mark Noonan | June 26th, 2008 at 1:42 am

  Mark, he made a complete break with Wright after Wrights press club speech. This was a completely separate event then his Wright speech. In Obama’s speech, he wasn’t pandering to any left, right or center. He was speaking to the racial dilemma which the US is in right now. Furthermore, Obama only broke completely from the church after the new pastor came out with his controversial comments.

  I understand your argument about his 20 years and only condemning the church now. But this church was never mentioned until the national spot light was put on Obama. Has this church been doing this for 20 years, or is it just power grabs by the reverends for their 15 minutes and free publicity for their church? Furthermore, do you have any proof that Wrights controversial surman was given on a daily, weekly or monthly basis. Even if Wright gave controversial surman’s on a daily basis, Obama is more then capable of making his own decisions and coming to his own conclusions so what does it matter if he went to church (to worship God) and happened to hear some offensive remarks.

  Sorry Mark, I can’t help but laugh when you use honesty against Obama. Do you just ignore McCain’s history when you say such a thing? Anyway, non of us believe Obama is a saint by any means. We just think he is the better man to lead this country away from the gallows.