Obama Tries To Disavow Clark’s Attack on McCain’s Service
by Matt Margolis on July 1st, 2008 at 09:44am
I’m sorry, but as Barack Obama has said before, words matter, and Wesley Clark’s despicable attack on John McCain’s service demonstrates the Obama campaigns desperation. Make no mistake about it, Clark was speaking as a surrogate for Obama’s campaign. Obama can’t take those words back, and it’s pathetic that Obama, for all his self-righteous rhetoric about words mattering and judgement, he seems to think that he can make up for various misjudgments and missteps by writing it off as a boneheaded mistake, or by coming up with some longwinded, manufactured excuse that’s suppose to make it okay.
Word matter, Obama. Clark’s attack on the service and patriotism of John McCain is beneath the dignity of a presidential campaign. A simple “disavowing” of Clark’s comments isn’t enough.
UPDATE, by Mark Noonan: And Senator McCain shows real class:
“If that’s the kind of campaign that Senator Obama and his surrogates and supporters want to engage in, I understand that,” he said. “But it doesn’t reduce the price of a gallon of gas by a penny” or do anything else to help Americans.
He added a moment later, “I know that General Clark’s comment is not an isolated incident. I have no way of knowing what involvement Senator Obama has in that issue.”
UPDATE II, by Mark Noonan: Clark’s comments have raised a lot of military ire:
The Obama campaign’s disgraceful attacks on John McCain’s military service are unworthy of the ‘new politics’ Barack Obama claims to represent. John McCain has proven his leadership and courage by putting his country first in the most trying of times, refusing early release from prison and standing strong with his fellow POWs. Barack Obama should realize that these tactics have no place in this campaign, and he can make that clear by denouncing these reprehensible comments. - Colonel Tom Moe, former inmate of the “Hanoi Hilton”
As a Marine pilot who served in Vietnam , I am deeply concerned about the disgraceful remarks from Barack Obama’s campaign surrogate, Gen. Wesley Clark, regarding John McCain’s military service. John McCain is proud of his record of always putting the country first from his time in the Navy, in Vietnam , and through to today. Being in command of a military squadron, regardless of whether the country is at war or peace, requires the true leadership that is necessary when assuming total responsibility for the well-being of the men and women in one’s unit. John McCain’s military experiences solely qualify him to be Commander-in-Chief when compared to any other candidate running for President of the United States .
Having gone down in a helicopter myself in Vietnam , I know firsthand what is required to stay cool under fire. When John McCain was shot down, there is no doubt that he was in total control of the situation and made all the right decisions under fire. I personally feel betrayed by Gen. Clark’s statements against John McCain. And when Barack Obama allows his surrogates to attack John McCain’s military record, it simply proves that Barack Obama is to be nothing more than a typical politician who will say anything to get elected. - Colonel Jack Jackson, veteran of 600 combat missions in Vietnam
Senator John McCain is an American hero and an inspiration to those of us who have served our country, faithfully and fully, in times of war. He understands sacrifice like only a wounded war veteran and former POW could. At a time when fewer and fewer Americans know what it is like to serve in our armed forces, Senator McCain’s experience will be immeasurable when he is elected President. Barack Obama’s willingness to allow his campaign to smear Senator McCain’s service is an insult to all of us who have worn the uniform. - Master Sergeant Terry Benson, 24 year Air Force veteran
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July 1st, 2008 at 10:11 am
Yep. Well what about the other McCain proxy attacks launched yesterday?
July 1st, 2008 at 10:43 am
How many times has Obama either apologized for, or had to explain the meaning of his comments, or those of his surrogates?
peace, neocon
July 1st, 2008 at 10:56 am
Please tell me where Clark was out of line. He said he honored and respected McCain’s service and said he was one of his heroes, but didn’t think getting shot down was a prerequisite for the White House. That’s it….
You guys are reading way too much into this…..
July 1st, 2008 at 11:08 am
Hey,
Of course getting shot down in a plane does qualify one to be POTUS. That’s not the point.
The point is Clark’s presumption that that single act of wartime heroism is all that McCain brings to the table. McCain’s military record is far more impressive than Wesley’s. And to denigrate that record, reveals a lack of class, and respect, that liberals have towards anything they oppose.
And yet they hope to unify the country. LMAO.
I guarantee a McCain win.
have a nice day
peace, neocon
July 1st, 2008 at 11:08 am
3. HeyHey | July 1st, 2008 at 10:56 am
That’s it in a nutshell.
I’m sorry though that Obama feels the need to keep apologizing for these non-issues. The remarks were from someone else and if an apology was in order it should come from them, not Obama.
The desperation of his opposition is clearly evident in the frantic attempts they make in trying to discredit him. Pathetic, just pathetic.
July 1st, 2008 at 11:09 am
oops…..that should have been
“does not qualify…”
July 1st, 2008 at 11:10 am
CO,
We DO NOT have to discredit Obama, or his campaign.
They do that themselves, daily.
I guarantee a McCain win.
peace, neocon
July 1st, 2008 at 11:13 am
It needs to be repeated.
McCain’s military record is far more impressive than Wesley’s, and his Senate record is far more impressive than Obama’s.
And yet, who is doing the criticizing? And who is staying above the fray?
This election may not even be close.
I GUARANTEE a McCain win in November.
have a nice day
peace, neocon
July 1st, 2008 at 11:27 am
Once again, liberals only care about military service when it serves their purposes.
‘92 & ‘96 did not matter.
2000 & 04 military service did matter since their two candidates felt they had more military experience.
‘08 they have gone full circle - Military service does not matter.
July 1st, 2008 at 11:27 am
I GUARANTEE a McCain win in November.
8. neocon | July 1st, 2008 at 11:13 am
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How will you fulfill your obligation, neocon, when your guarantee proves to be worthless?
July 1st, 2008 at 11:31 am
CO,
You’ll have to counsel me in terms of being “worthless”.
That’s a concept I know you are very familiar with, from both a personal and national perspective.
peace, neocon
July 1st, 2008 at 11:55 am
CO, Happy Canada Day.
July 1st, 2008 at 11:58 am
I think the fact that Obamas STATED plan is immediate retreat in the face of an enemy we are beating is proof enough that he’s unqualified. His votes on the surge are further proof.
Just what does he plan to talk to Iran about? The troops will be leaving the region anyways (the “stick”) and he can’t give up Israel or turn us all Muslim (the “carrot”). So - what is the brilliant new argument he’s come up with?
July 1st, 2008 at 12:07 pm
12. Kahn | July 1st, 2008 at 11:55 am
CO, Happy Canada Day.
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Thanks, Kahn. We have a beautiful day here in Montreal; big celebrations in the works.
If I don’t have a chance on the 4th., I would like to wish y’all a fantastic Independence Day.
July 1st, 2008 at 12:15 pm
neocon,
How did Clark denigrate McCain’s service? I’ve read the transcript and I don’t see it. Clark actually praises McCain and says he is one one of his heroes.
“McCain’s military record is far more impressive than Wesley’s.”
Navy Captain or Supreme Allied Commander Europe?
July 1st, 2008 at 12:33 pm
HeyHey, using Clark’s own argument - commander during peacetime. Doesn’t count you see. This is Clark’s argument, right? Not like he was Eisenhower or something.
Meanwhile, McCain was selected for Admiral and decided to leave the service and enter politics.
July 1st, 2008 at 12:46 pm
cant put much stock in obama
he was sittin next to clark when clark made that statement….but he didnt object to it till the next day….when the media got to grinding on it…
hussein just points the finger, he doesnt have the balls to stand up like a man and do the right thing…at least not when it counts the most….
July 1st, 2008 at 1:01 pm
He was a poor student @ the Naval Academy and crashed planes numerous times. There are legitimate questions involving his cooperation during capitvity. Why was he nicknamed “SongBird” by fellow POWs. True, he also went to war for us and that takes true courage and I say “Thank You”. BUT, is a prerequsite for POTUS.
July 1st, 2008 at 1:03 pm
Sorry, the last sentence should read…But that is not a prerequsite for POTUS. Great players don’t necessarily make good coaches!
July 1st, 2008 at 1:03 pm
I dont get it …
if America has the greatest, meanest, bestest, goodest, greatest military on Earth, and Iran is run by a bunch of crazy towlheads with no sense of direction, then why are you folks so afraid of them ?
Out on the streets, the toughest guys do all the talking, they dont run and hide from the 63-lb weaklings.
July 1st, 2008 at 1:19 pm
gray - speaking as a vet having gone thru SERE (survival, evasion, resistance, escape) training, I can say that EVERYONE has a breaking point barring suicide.
the trick is to mix useless, yet verifiable info w lies & distortions which, if taken as truth, will damage the enemy.
July 1st, 2008 at 1:23 pm
“HeyHey, using Clark’s own argument - commander during peacetime. Doesn’t count you see. This is Clark’s argument, right? Not like he was Eisenhower or something.
Meanwhile, McCain was selected for Admiral and decided to leave the service and enter politics.”
No he’s not Eisenhower, but Clark is alot closer to Eisenhower than McCain. McCain had a shot to Command but he choose not to. He choose his path.
Clark oversaw the Kosovo War, including Operation Allied Force as Supreme Allied Commander Europe. I wouldn’t call that peace time for him.
July 1st, 2008 at 1:43 pm
Clark oversaw the Kosovo War, including Operation Allied Force as Supreme Allied Commander Europe. I wouldn’t call that peace time for him.
Yeah, allied planes under his command took out the Chinese embassy. That took real balls.
July 1st, 2008 at 1:48 pm
“Clark oversaw the Kosovo War, including Operation Allied Force as Supreme Allied Commander Europe. I wouldn’t call that peace time for him.
Yeah, allied planes under his command took out the Chinese embassy. That took real balls.”
Alot more was done during Operation Allied Force Spook and that’s what commanders do. They command. And McCain did what under his command? Oh right, he didn’t command. Now that takes balls!
July 1st, 2008 at 1:52 pm
“Meanwhile, McCain was selected for Admiral and decided to leave the service and enter politics.”
Rear Admiral actually….FYI
July 1st, 2008 at 2:04 pm
The record of you people “honoring” military service is, well, inconsistent. And your chicken-littling about this faux outrage is just more of your right-wing pearl-clutching. Get a grip. We can all read, and we ain’t buying it.
You just keep paddling off into insignificance, hurling principle’s overboard to stave off your inevitable resting place at the bottom of the sea.
Good riddance…
July 1st, 2008 at 2:07 pm
RS
Now who is the one denigrating the military here?
July 1st, 2008 at 2:11 pm
js
Ah, we’ve got another “swiftboater for ‘truth’”.
July 1st, 2008 at 2:16 pm
This should be fun. Let’s hear what McCain said about having military experience and being qualified to run for POTUS.
- During an interview with National Journal, John McCain was asked if “military service inherently makes somebody better equipped to be commander-in-chief.” McCain said, “Absolutely not…I absolutely don’t believe that it’s necessary.” [National Journal, 2/15/2003]
- I believe that military service is the most honorable endeavor an American may undertake. But I’ve never believed that lack of military service disqualifies one from occupying positions of political leadership or as Commander and Chief. In America, the people are sovereign, and they decide who is and is not qualified to lead us. [American Legion Speech, 9/7/1999]
- Earlier this year at Washington’s Gridiron Club, where humor is the required fare, McCain lay bare what underlies his candidacy. Wearing a jacket outlandishly festooned with dozens of fake military medals, McCain said, “The question I ask myself every morning while shaving in front of the mirror is: OK, John, you’re an incredible war hero, an inspiration to all Americans. But what qualifies you to be president of the United States?” [Minneapolis Star Tribune, 11/7/1999]
July 1st, 2008 at 2:30 pm
Military service is not a pre-requisite for POTUS. No it isn’t, but it should count heavily on the resume. Being in command during front line war time operations shows a distinct ability to make necessary decisions in the most demanding of situations, now call me kooky but I like that proven ability in a President.
In all real sense Clark did have situations that called for making decisions needed in war like situations, he helped plan them at the highest level and relayed the orders to execute them. Not taking from Clark because these are obviously very important items in a successful mission, but commanding during the fluidity of an actual combat mission requires something extra.
If you haven’t been in a war time situation please don’t think you can imagine what it is like because believe me anyone’s imagination is really just a fantasy in their heads. Give credit where credit is due. Anyone can beat up on McCain all they like but the bottom line is that we are deciding between two candidates and for the life of me there is no area in which Obama has shown a proven track record for leadership greater than that of McCain. Not in military or politics or anywhere else.
Oh and ‘08ama, a psychopath with his finger on the button of a nuclear bomb is no longer considered a 63 lb weakling.
July 1st, 2008 at 2:56 pm
military experience DOES count in conflict.
the Taliban & Hizbullah have surpassed AQ.
afghanstan is now leading in US casualities.
and the mad mullahs in Tehran have to be dealt with since they won’t negoiate unlike Kim il Jong.
the war continues (probably generational like the cold war).
July 1st, 2008 at 2:57 pm
Oh and ‘08ama, a psychopath with his finger on the button of a nuclear bomb is no longer considered a 63 lb weakling.
30. Republican minds want to know. | July 1st, 2008 at 2:30 pm
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Can’t find Iran in any list of those who currently have the nuclear bomb. So far, it still remains the 93 lb. weakling.
On the other hand the United States, Russia, China, Britain, France, India, Pakistan, North Korea (hopefully disarming) and, although they never admit it, in all probability, Israel are currently capable of launching nuclear strikes against their ‘enemies’ in the first step to Armageddon.
July 1st, 2008 at 3:01 pm
“he was sittin next to clark when clark made that statement….but he didnt object to it till the next day….when the media got to grinding on it…”
He was ’sittin’ next to Clark now? This is what happens to the truth in js’s lil mind.
July 1st, 2008 at 3:03 pm
It does hold that possibility, but is the answer walking away? Remember what happened the last time we walked away from Afghanistan at the end of the cold war, and that was when they were friendly towards us. Think of the possibilities of what they will be like emboldened with the knowledge that they did drive us out and essentially beat us. I personally would like to have someone in office that is willing to at least try and fix the problem, not sweep it under the rug and hope it never comes out…..you know, like it did last time.
“Those who don’t learn from their mistakes are destined to repeat them.”
July 1st, 2008 at 3:05 pm
Republican minds want to know: Anyone can beat up on McCain all they like but the bottom line is that we are deciding between two candidates and for the life of me there is no area in which Obama has shown a proven track record for leadership greater than that of McCain. Not in military or politics or anywhere else.
I think this about sums it up. To the extent the Dems focus attention on issues of experience, the more likely it is they will lose. And that’s the larger mistake Clark made. The irony in it is that Clark relied on his military experience to make a judgement about McCain’s. And by doing that he (presumably inadvertently) demonstrated that considerable experience doesn’t guarantee good judgement. And if Obama has any hope of winning, that’s the distinction he has to draw as brightly as he can.
July 1st, 2008 at 3:10 pm
Clark almost started WWIII (while undoing years of building trust) with his actions in Kosovo (airport & Russians in case you are curious) — that is why he was fired. It is damn near impossible to get fired from that position but he screwed up big enough to warrant it.
Obama on the other hand has failed miserably at everything he has tried including “community organizer”–just look at the paradise called Altgeld Homes or any number of others. Take the campaign donations from Rezko even as Rezko’s low-income housing empire was collapsing, leaving many African-American families in buildings riddled with problems — including squalid living conditions, vacant apartments, lack of heat, squatters and drug dealers.
There is a pair of winners. Think Obama is going to need a fleet of buses by the time he implodes .
BTW, anyone hear anymore on his “anytime, anywhere” town halls with McCain or is it still just the two speeches with no questions? I can really see why you all get behind Mr. Teleprompter.
July 1st, 2008 at 3:11 pm
CO, you are absolutely right, they are not on the list. So let’s just wait around until they do have it and it becomes a real problem because that is the obvious time to start worrying. I also agree that Israel almost definitely does have nuclear bombs but I have never heard any leader of Israel say “If I had a nuclear bomb today I would drop it on Iran tomorrow”. Unfortunately the Iran president did say that about Israel, but as you said no need to worry, after all if we ignore the problem it will just go away.
July 1st, 2008 at 3:11 pm
Oh. So I guess you voted for Kerry in 2004?
And McCain wasn’t in command of anything for most of the time in Vietnam. He was a POW.
July 1st, 2008 at 3:24 pm
No Willem I didn’t, but never once did utter a single word against his service in the military, and while I have many differences in beliefs from Kerry, I respect him and every other person that served in the military. I think I mentioned quite clearly that it was not a pre-requisite for POTUS but looked good on a resume, and it looked good on Kerry’s, unfortunately the rest if the resume just wasn’t what I was looking for.
July 1st, 2008 at 3:25 pm
“Clark almost started WWIII (while undoing years of building trust) with his actions in Kosovo (airport & Russians in case you are curious) — that is why he was fired. It is damn near impossible to get fired from that position but he screwed up big enough to warrant it.”
WWIII! Good one! Sounds like you are denigrating his service and the military.
He wasn’t fired. Forced retirement due to political pressure. The DOD called it a “general rotation of American senior ranks.”
July 1st, 2008 at 3:27 pm
ck this lefties -
“New Iraq report: 15 of 18 benchmarks satisfactory”
“The White House sees the progress in a particularly positive light, declaring in a new assessment to Congress that Iraq’s efforts on 15 of 18 benchmarks are “satisfactory” — almost twice of what it determined to be the case a year ago. The May 2008 report card, obtained by the Associated Press, determines that only two of the benchmarks — enacting and implementing laws to disarm militias and distribute oil revenues — are unsatisfactory.”
makes u wanna scrunch ur tin foil hat a little tighter, doesn’t it? lol
oh wait, I’ll wait 4 olbermann (aka “heyhey”) 2 ’splain it all away w such verbosity that one can’t follow it.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080701/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_iraq_progress
July 1st, 2008 at 3:28 pm
AR-15, rear Admiral. Yes. Same as a Brigadier General. Thanks for the useless correction.
July 1st, 2008 at 3:29 pm
7. neocon | June 30th, 2008 at 8:37 am
I agree with Cheney/Ohlmert and I think we ought to put those cry-baby American generals in a B-52 and nuke Iran. And not just Tehran. We should level the entire country.
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37. Republican minds want to know. | July 1st, 2008 at 3:11 pm
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Would you agree with neocon’s solution above, which appeared on another thread, Republican?
Should the U.S. conduct a preemptive nuclear strike or another shock and awe mission to destroy the Iranian nation, just in case?
July 1st, 2008 at 3:42 pm
Just like to point out that Gray hasn’t gotten the message about not attacking McCains service. It is very hard to argue with a schizophrenic.
When McCain was captured, they weren’t looking for information were they? They wanted admission of guilt. So, you’d hold out. Great. What about next year? And the next year? And the next year? And the next year? All the time with injuries that never healed and undergoing severe physical torture. Not embarrassment, or waterboarding. The real stuff. The stuff that leaves you crippled - as McCain is. Being a POW under those conditions is like being in constant combat for five years. Constant, no breaks, no rest.
HeyHey - Kosovo? Where AFTER we bombed all the bridges and tried to find their tanks they almost all drove out intact? Yep. Good one. Still there aren’t we? Yes… he stayed in (uninjured and untortured) longer than Captain McCain did. He rose to senior rank in a peacetime Army then barely managed to save civilians in a NATO “war” in the Balkans.
The real stupid thing is that we’re having this conversation at all. McCain wins this argument and it hurts Obama. Maybe not with you committed Marxists. But your votes aren’t in play are they?
July 1st, 2008 at 3:43 pm
Clark’s statement was stupid in that he went after McCain’s experience, because there was no way he could defend Obama’s extremely thin resume.
Obama had no experience where he had to show leadership, and in fact, he has been backing away from his positions ranging from NAFTA to Iraq; from the Supreme Court to gay marriage; from Israel to gun ownership; and from FISA to Rev Wright. He lacks any political courage and he would rather vote ‘Present’ or duck out of town when it comes to a vote which he cannot win politically
July 1st, 2008 at 3:52 pm
Since Obama is half white and has no slave blood, I say he’s not even black. He’s white.
Obama is white.
July 1st, 2008 at 4:03 pm
CO, I think a nuclear strike may be just a tad much, however; I do think that a military option should be left on the table.
I work with a couple of people from Iran and they are some of the nicest people I have met. I have nothing against them and wish them no harm. With that said, I am against the Iranian government and the harm that they have stated over and over again that they wish to cause in that region and if it ultimately takes a military operation to stop that then I would be for it.
Remember this is a government that even the Saudi’s fear becoming to powerful and have asked for our help with arms to ensure that the balance of power stays equal. Why would they do that if they didn’t fear Iran using its military?
July 1st, 2008 at 4:04 pm
This is good news. Coming from the White House it may have to be taken with a handful of salt but if this is true I applaud the Iraqis for finally stepping up a little. Politically, Iraq has a long way to go.
What does satisfactory mean? Does that mean the benchmark has been met or partially met?
July 1st, 2008 at 4:08 pm
Harkey - doesn’t matter. We start leaving in January no matter what. Remember?
July 1st, 2008 at 4:08 pm
Republican minds want to know.
Right. That’s the only possible option Republicans apparently can think of: it’s either nuclear war or walking away.
And they still wonder why the Republican Party is on the brink of being voted out of the government this fall.
July 1st, 2008 at 4:10 pm
Kahn,
Why are you denigrating the military and Clark’s service? Shame on you….
“McCain wins this argument and it hurts Obama.”
No he didn’t and no it doesn’t. Only to McCainiac…
July 1st, 2008 at 4:13 pm
Wow Willem, what a leap. Im sorry maybe I missed it but could you please give me an example of where republicans advocated the idea of either walking away or using a nuclear attack? I have heard the democrats often say we should leave, but never have I heard anyone in politics state that a nuclear attack is the answer.
July 1st, 2008 at 5:55 pm
holycrap;
“Retired General Hugh Shelton was asked the same question after giving a talk at a college in California. Shelton, the former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, was Clark’s boss in 1999 when Clark was unceremoniously told that he was being removed from his position as Supreme Allied Commander, Europe. “I’ve known Wes for a long time,” Shelton said. “I will tell you the reason he came out of Europe early had to do with integrity and character issues, things that are very near and dear to my heart. . . .”
“Was Wesley Clark removed from his job Supreme Allied Commander, Europe for lack of integrity and character issues?
Randy Black says: “I am not saying that you are wrong, or that I am right. You are certainly in a better position due to your experience and friends on the inside to make such a determination.
We, of course, do have the photo of General Clark exchanging hats with a Serb general. [RH:
This reminds me of the photos of John Kerry and Jane Fonda. I do not know what it proves, RH].
“I suppose that my principal objection to Clark the Presidential candidate is that he declared as a Democratic candidate ONLY because the Republicans didn’t pay him enough homage. He was a Democrat of convenience. I recall General Clark stating that if Carl Rove had returned his calls, he would have been on the side of President Bush. ”
And this: A few memorable — even unforgettable — words of Wesley Clark:
1. On May 11, 2001, speaking to the Pulaski County GOP Lincoln Day Dinner in Little Rock, Arkansas:
“And I’m very glad we’ve got the great team in office, men like Colin Powell, Don Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney, Condoleezza Rice… people I know very well — our president George W. Bush. We need them there.”
2. On President Reagan: Words of Wesley Clark: “We were really helped when President Ronald Reagan came in. I remember non-commissioned officers who were going to retire and they re-enlisted because they believed in President Reagan. That’s the kind of President Ronald Reagan was. He helped our country win the Cold War. He put it behind us in a way no one ever believed would be possible. He was truly a great American leader. And those of us in the Armed Forces loved him, respected him, and tremendously admired him for his great leadership.”
3. On President George Bush: Words of Wesley Clark:”President George Bush had the courage and the vision… and we will always be grateful to President George Bush for that tremendous leadership and statesmanship.”
4. American military involvement overseas: Words of Wesley Clark: “Do you ever ask why it is that these people in these other countries can’t solve their own problems without the United States sending its troops over there? And do you ever ask why it is the Europeans, the people that make the Mercedes and the BMW’s that got so much money can’t put some of that money in their own defense programs and they need us to do their defense for them?”
July 1st, 2008 at 6:03 pm
Willem,
Evidently, the following from Hillary is pretty much in line with what the current administration is trying to accomplish.
The question is, what does Obama support?
peace, neocon
Iran must conform to its nonproliferation obligations and must not be permitted to build or acquire nuclear weapons. If Iran does not comply with its own commitments and the will of the international community, all options must remain on the table. - Hillary Clinton
July 1st, 2008 at 6:09 pm
It sure sounds like Clark says whatever he feels needs to be said to further his cause du jour.
Integrity indeed.
peace, neocon
(2003-12-23) — Bill Clinton should be fired as ex-president because he failed to stop the terror attacks of September 11, 2001, according to Democrat presidential candidate Wesley Clark.
“I was at the debate in Philadelphia,” Clark said in a Wednesday conference call with reporters organized by the Clinton campaign. “That’s where it really started, and I think it started with Barack advertising that he was going to go on the offensive and start attacking.”
Clark said that October night in Philadelphia was when “the tone of the campaign started to change.”
July 1st, 2008 at 6:21 pm
so, I get it. Let the Swiftboating of General Clark commence.
IOIYAR
July 1st, 2008 at 6:21 pm
And the source for neocon’s devastating reply….
http://www.scrappleface.com/?p=1211
Scrappleface.dot.com
LMAO!! Integrity indeed! LMAO!
1 source listed..newsmaxdotcom…and they don’t have any sources. Hmmmmm…
I love the 1 comment though.
“It could be. Decide for yourselves.1 1Hey, it’s no more ridiculous than the article that inspired it–which can also be found here…”
July 1st, 2008 at 6:29 pm
Hahaha, Scrappleface! Republicans believe anything when it suits their talking points.
Here’s more from Scrappleface:
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July 1st, 2008 at 6:33 pm
Willem,
You may actually want to read McCain’s foreign policy position as it relates to Iran if you’d like to debate from a position of knowledge.
But somehow, I don’t think that’s your MO.
Baseless rhetoric is more fun, right?
InDaVa,
That quote was from the General irrespective of the source. But leave it to a partisan to attack the messenger. So tedious.
have a nice day
peace, neocon
July 1st, 2008 at 6:35 pm
everyone has thier panties up in a wad about qualifications for POTUS
but did anyone even think about disqualifications? obama attended a black supremacist church for 20 years…i really dont think him AND his family did know that wright was pushing black ethics, black morality, and cones kill god theology….these folks are college graduates and hold positions of authority and responsibility in the public eye…they are not that stupid…so when obama said he had no clue…it was a lie….absolutely
and then….rezko….yup….how you take 1/3 of a million dollars off the price of a property is perpexling….ecspecially when a politician ad a crook both have thier hands in the cookie jar…just the image of impropriety should justify a federal investigation….but they havent even sniffed around the corners….like nothing is wrong…but rezko did get convicted….so somewhere….someone is lying about this too….
and in kenya…there are ashes on the ground….where a church stood….it was filled with christians and burned to the ground….by the crowd obama endorsed….one of them claims to be close to obama…his cousin….same tribe….barak hussein obama SR…obama’s fathers brothers child….who wants to impose sharia law over the entire nation of kenya…yet, obama, who said he was a christian…endorsed his cousin….and his cousins insurrection (by not condemning it)…
thats not even touching major issues…like obama’s mentor, the maxist….frank marshall davis…who obama bragged about in his “biography”….a self admitted communist…and obama….as a loyal follower of maxism…obama social conferences, seeking educational material, fliers, and pamplets…..training…for the future obama in politics…how to stoke the working underclass to social revolution…sound familiar? thats what lenin did in Russia…
this is who the Demoncrats want for president?
July 1st, 2008 at 6:53 pm
neocon,
“That quote was from the General irrespective of the source. But leave it to a partisan to attack the messenger. So tedious.”
Wow. I expected better from you neocon…”irrespective of the source.”
No source to anything you mean.
Your source(messenger) is a sham site with absolutely no integrity on reporting and you’re telling me I should take those Clark quotes as fact? Integrity indeed!
You really believe Clark said those words taking into account the reliability and integrity of the source? Really?
July 1st, 2008 at 6:57 pm
InDaVa,
Do you honestly think that scrappleface would make up comments and attribute them to Clark?
Do you honesty think that?
peace, neocon
July 1st, 2008 at 7:01 pm
“Hope and Change become Reality if that indictment comes down and the peresumptive GOP Nominee’s wife is on it for TAX EVASION.” - Sarah
And if not, it’s a McCain landslide. An indictment is the only “hope” the left has, and considering McCain’s financials are scrutinized every year because of his Senate position, I just don’t see a lot of “hope” in that.
have a collective day
peace, neocon
July 1st, 2008 at 7:05 pm
Frederick darling,
Don’t diminish yourself. Your website makes the DailyKos look like the NYT.
“What I’m saying is we have journalistic standars like not making up quotes.” - Frederick
Too bad spelling and punctuation aren’t a priority.
have a collective day
peace, neocon
July 1st, 2008 at 7:05 pm
neocon still doesn’t realize what scrappleface.com is.
LMAO
July 1st, 2008 at 7:09 pm
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July 1st, 2008 at 7:11 pm
holeinthehead
>>>>Why are you denigrating the military and Clark’s service? Shame on you…>>>
My above post (54) was in QUOTES you MORON from pitchfork.
None of those were my words how frigging stupid can you be?
I was posting quotes from those whom he served for. DUHHHHH!
July 1st, 2008 at 7:12 pm
Sarah,
I GUARANTEE A MCCAIN WIN.
It’s as simple as that. Obama is another McGovern, and it may not even be close.
have a collective day
peace, neocon
July 1st, 2008 at 7:17 pm
sarabBLACCCHHH!
>>>>if that indictment comes down and the peresumptive GOP Nominee’s wife is on it for TAX EVASION.” - Sarah>>>>
Maybe in merry old england where you live it is.
Not paying property taxes results in a fine if paid late, forfeiture and re sale if not paid.
NO indictment will ever be used- but NOT being an American citizen makes you ignorant of this just as you pitchforkers from hell, are in ALL American politics.
July 1st, 2008 at 7:28 pm
Neo;
to fredputz……..>>>>Too bad spelling and punctuation aren’t a priority.>>>
AND
civility
anti Christian ravings
homosexual agenda pushing by lesbian publishers
porno
vile language and venomous rantings
and lunacy of a DEAD computer powered by gumdrops known as pain…….YEOW !!!!
July 1st, 2008 at 7:36 pm
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July 1st, 2008 at 7:51 pm
SB
>>>and I called you a name that is not fair or very nice so I am sorry.>>>
are we married?
Im used to it LOL
32 years of married bliss, im sure she has used most of them…….
July 1st, 2008 at 7:57 pm
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July 1st, 2008 at 8:00 pm
“are we married?” - FmrMarine
ROTFLMAO. Outstanding response.
peace, neocon
July 1st, 2008 at 8:08 pm
“neocon still doesn’t realize what scrappleface.com is.
LMAO”
Too funny…And I’m the one he called partisan….
July 1st, 2008 at 8:15 pm
fschwartsputz;
Actually, I prefer turner classic movies.
AND I do like debating politics.
I am from Buffalo, and lived on Staton island in the late 60’s
Spent a lot of time in Jersey and NYC.
Had a lot of Jewish friends maybe even tipped a few brewskies with you, Who knows life is strange..
my NYC friends and I all disagreed about politics but we were still good buddies.
PS Ill bet you cant stay nice here on this site….you just love to cuss and swear to much…Ill attempt to help you along on your “good behavior” LOL
July 1st, 2008 at 8:21 pm
Staten Island
July 1st, 2008 at 8:34 pm
fputz
>>>> I could point you to a few good fluid dynamics sites that explain the Lafreniere wave so a person with an IQ below 100 could grasp it if you like.>>>
but but but it’s 99.9999.999…DAMN!
it is an interesting theory, not so certain i buy into it.
Kind of like earbama…..sounds good.. but no cigar!
well not yet, slic may have left a few monicas around-just in case.
July 1st, 2008 at 8:41 pm
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July 1st, 2008 at 9:30 pm
fs
that was in S.Buffalo…the 1st ward area…Mick town.
I had relatives who lived there.
To damn cold for me and the snow…forget about it!
I have a friend down here who has a Buffalo style bar who serves “beef on weck” and genny cream ale, a buffalo favorite.
The beef isnt as good as in Buffaol, but when it is the only place in town it’s the best.
My self ( dont let anyone know) I prefer Michelob Ultra.
July 1st, 2008 at 9:36 pm
[...] events by SEK I challenge anyone currently being critical of Wesley Clark to disprove his point on its face. I don’t want to hear anything about Clark’s own military record or [...]
July 1st, 2008 at 9:48 pm
rtp
Actually im not much of a McLame fan.
He is a RINO of the worst part.
That said his opponent is a flyweight al sharptonesque racist-marxist.
That sets him miles apart from earbama. Although McCain was my LAST choice to represent our party he does have the experience to be POTUS.
1. Graduated from Annapolis.
2. Graduated from Officers school.
3. Attended/graduated from flight school
4. Became a jet fighter pilot.
5. commanded a flight wing.
6. Had several missions over enemy territory.
7. Rose to the rank of Captain (Colonel) in the USN
8. Became a US Senator, and has years of experience on capital hill.
9. the MOST IMPORTANT………he is married to a BUDWEISER beer distributor!!!
July 1st, 2008 at 10:15 pm
51. HolyRoller - sorry Holly, in the polls - he does. You libs should pick your fights better.
July 1st, 2008 at 10:55 pm
i guess that means hussein isnt picking clark for VP?
July 1st, 2008 at 10:59 pm
http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/06/29/america/campaign.php
sittin next to clark, right there
July 1st, 2008 at 11:04 pm
“9. the MOST IMPORTANT………he is married to a BUDWEISER beer distributor!!!”
So why does he want to be president? He has everything he needs.
July 1st, 2008 at 11:46 pm
Public service Casper. You as a teacher should understand.
July 1st, 2008 at 11:55 pm
Kahn,
You do realize I was joking I hope. If my wife inherited a beer distributorship I would quit my job tomorrow (as long as it was Coors).
Ok, I’m just kidding. I am one of those very lucky persons that gets to work a job he truly loves and one which might actually makes a difference. I wouldn’t quit for anything. Maybe McCain feels the same way.
Besides, he gets the beer either way.
July 2nd, 2008 at 1:40 am
“Obama Tries To Disavow Clark’s Attack On McCain Service”
But liberal posters here do not and have written much worse. What a bunch of saps. Every time you get suckered into a discussion about defense and terrorism and military service McCain’s numbers go up and Obama’s go down.
This election is not Obama’s any more than it was Clinton’s. For your own sakes, stop the madness.
Or not. No skin off my nose.
By the way - this is the way Obama plays race. Think about what I mean by that.
July 2nd, 2008 at 7:25 am
Id venture to say that the biggest block toward progress is the ones that keep justifying that even if we did try, it couldnt be done.
The fact that oil is sitting in the ground, on US soil, while we are being bled dry by enemies, and our economy is under attack yet congress is not lifting a finger in defense, can not be more obvious. Not drilling because liberals justify it from summarilly applied guesses is about as stupid as that Dutch guy with his finger in the dam.
There is absolutely no way that not drilling will help anyone in the USA, period (except of course, those who are fleecing the people already). The whole truth lies in one statement;
We are victims of our own governments stupidity.
July 2nd, 2008 at 8:48 am
“http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/06/29/america/campaign.php
sittin next to clark, right there”
js,
Thanks for pointing out what a complete moron you appear to be. That certainly doesn’t look like the set of ‘face the nation.’ Even better…I’ll link to the video and you tell what time you see Obama next to Clark.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kag0bBJVkIw
I’ll wait….
July 2nd, 2008 at 9:15 am
Oh and neocon,
To answer your question…
“Do you honestly think that scrappleface would make up comments and attribute them to Clark?
Do you honesty think that?”
Yes brainiac, that’s what scrappleface does. It makes up news. Some people obviously take them seriously…
cricket…cricket…cricket…
July 2nd, 2008 at 9:36 am
InDaVa,
A quote is not news. A fabricated quote can be the basis of a libel suit. Evidently the General is either unaware of the fabricated quote, or not challenging it.
So for the sake of Clarks reputation, I implore you to make him aware of this egregious fabrication by scrappleface so that the libel suit can be filed.
Please report back asap.
have a another delusional day
peace, neocon
July 2nd, 2008 at 2:07 pm
neocon,
Evidently you are really really dumb….It can’t be libel if the site is a news parody site which is exactly what scrappleface is. Like I said…. really really dumb.
Have another dishonest day..
peace, InDaVa
July 3rd, 2008 at 1:31 am
Wow this righteous indignation is amazing. I wonder where Clark got his inspriation for questioning McCain’s credentials. Clark’s comments seem pretty mild compared to what the Bush slime machine did to McCain in South Carolina during the 2000 campaign. McCain was falsely accused of leaving POWs behind in Vietnam and of ’siring’ an illegitimate black child — actually his adopted Bangladeshi daughter, Bridget — and his wife, Cindy was accused of having a drug problem.
The problem is with McCain. He used to have integrity. He wants to be president so badly that he will swallow his pride and team up with such a sleazy crowd, now that they are contributing to his campaign. Its good to see that he’s come so far. And he’s cheap too.
July 19th, 2008 at 4:01 am
Wesley Clark trips all over himself every time he says anything.
Last go around, Clark crowed endlessly about Kerry’s service, and how horrible it was that anyone would doubt Kerry’s integrity. He held Kerry up as a hero and ABSOLUTELY advertised his service as a reason why Kerry was fit to be commander in chief.
Now he flip flops right on his face - as he usually does.
Conservatives flip flop from time to time, but they don’t throw any vet under the bus unless that vet is out there denigrating our troops - like Kerry did.
They are two peas in a pod.
Clark is a disgrace to the uniform and it’s a tragedy our soldiers and vets had to listen to his blather.
On the other hand,does military experience give you an advantage when dealing with military commanders - something the next President will have to do often? That’s quite obviously a yes.
Danny Vice
http://www.theweeklyvice.com