41 Comments

• 1. neocon  |  July 2nd, 2008 at 5:24 pm

  “January 29, 2001 - Despite the intent of the president’s plans, critics said Monday that Bush’s wide-ranging proposal would violate the Constitutional separation of church and state. For the purpose of the state and the church, and the principle of separating the two with a decent distance, this is a very bad idea,” said Barry Lynn of the advocacy group Americans United for Separation of Church and State.”

  What changed?

  have a hopeful day
  peace, neocon

• 2. Magnum Serpentine  |  July 2nd, 2008 at 5:29 pm

  My goodness, you even attack Obama when he supports something you neocons like.

  “…The world wonders” Fleet Admiral Chester Nimitz, pacific Theatre, World War 2 1945.

• 3. Evergreen  |  July 2nd, 2008 at 6:21 pm

  This ridicule of Obama, simply shows the cons are about party above country. Keep up the good work Matt. Limbaugh and Hannity are proud.

  The share of voters who call themselves Republicans has declined by six points since 2004, and represents, on an annualized basis, the lowest percentage of self-identified Republican voters in 16 years of polling by the (Pew) Center.

• 4. Evergreen  |  July 2nd, 2008 at 6:25 pm

  With each percentage point decline in Repug identification, the likes of Colter, Hannity and Limbaugh can tap into minority resentment. The dollars will just flow in. Each post likes this helps them to one day cash in. Hell be damned what is best for America.

• 5. Tractatus  |  July 2nd, 2008 at 6:30 pm

  What changed?

  That he’s putting back in the safeguards that prevent, among other things, faith-based funds from being used to proselytize or being given programs that don’t work (i.e. abstinence-only education).

  He’s seeing faith-based initiatives as a way to provide assistance, not as the only way, which you wingers seem to think it is.

  David Kuo, who left the office of faith-based initiatives precisely because those safeguards were removed, is backing Obama’s program. That should tell you something. Should, but won’t.

  Why do you guys hate religion so much?

• 6. neocon  |  July 2nd, 2008 at 6:31 pm

  “This ridicule of Obama, simply shows the cons are about party above country.” - Evergreen

  Then there’s this:

  Obama Voters Protest His Switch on Telecom Immunity
  By JAMES RISEN
  Published: July 2, 2008
  In recent days, more than 7,000 Obama supporters have organized on a social networking site on Mr. Obama’s own campaign Web site. They are calling on Mr. Obama to reverse his decision to endorse legislation supported by President Bush to expand the government’s domestic spying powers while also providing legal protection to the telecommunication companies that worked with the National Security Agency’s domestic wiretapping program after the Sept. 11 attacks.

  Geez, I wonder if they’re more concerned with country or party?

  have a day
  peace, neocon

• 7. jayhay  |  July 2nd, 2008 at 6:31 pm

  Neo “I-guarantee-it!” con! - What changed is that Bush’s office was a front for political games.

  And in case you need to set your watch, McCain is shaking up his staff again! A few more and he’ll be ready on day one!

• 8. Tractatus  |  July 2nd, 2008 at 6:36 pm

  Geez, I wonder if they’re more concerned with country or party?

  Country.

  No surprise you cannot comprehend that, though.

• 9. neocon  |  July 2nd, 2008 at 6:42 pm

  “He’s seeing faith-based initiatives as a way to provide assistance, not as the only way, which you wingers seem to think it is.” -
  Tractatus

  Really? Did all government programs dry up? And we’re still spending $360 billion annually on entitlement programs?

  And the following link is a great article from David Kuo. While critical of the overall performance of the program, he is complementary of the President and his efforts behind it.

  But again, that’s not the issue. I am concerned about the seperation of church and state. And now we have a Trinity Church member, or former member excuse me, that wants to direct federal funds toward religious charities……

  Is Obamas theocracy next?

  have a faith based day
  peace, neocon

• 10. neocon  |  July 2nd, 2008 at 6:44 pm

  So if they’re more concerned about country, than Obama is more concerned about party.

  Gotcha. Thanks for clearing that up.

  have a day
  peace, neocon

• 11. neocon  |  July 2nd, 2008 at 6:48 pm

  Jayhay,

  Bush’s office was a front for political games?

  I also heard that Bush his tearing up the constitution, imposing a theocracy, cancelling the election and appointing himself President for life. In addition, Cheney is taking ownership of all 52 bases in Iraq.

  What a day.

  Have a conspiracy minded day
  peace, neocon

• 12. Some Assembly Required  |  July 2nd, 2008 at 6:49 pm

  You know what’s truly sad. I honestly believe if Obama cured world hunger tomorrow 3 days later you’d have a post condemning him for flip flopping because he no longer needs to provide aid for starving children. Get a grip, he’s an American. He’ll uphold the constitution to the best of his ability. He’s now moving more to the middle with his policies. Some of the things he’s saying you have defended yourself. Why do you hate him so much? Because he’s a ‘Democrat’? or a ‘Liberal’? or even an improper ‘Christian’. Last time I checked, he was an American.

  This site has become truly disheartening. You’ve become so hate filled that it has all but consumed every post you make. You delete facts and leave personal insults and controversial comments. This is all fine because it’s your blog, but come on man, your supposed to be a Christian. I’m really starting to see little difference between this site and the crap that goes on at the dailyKos. IMO.

• 13. neocon  |  July 2nd, 2008 at 6:49 pm

  Forgot the link:

  http://www.beliefnet.com/story/160/story_16092_1.html

• 14. neocon  |  July 2nd, 2008 at 6:54 pm

  SAR,

  The majority of insults come from the lefties. That’s undeniable.

  And we are exposing Obama, not hating him. Why can’t you discern the difference? Probably because hate is all you know.

  Obama is a panderer, and his run to the center is as disingenuous as he is, and that will be exposed each and everyday right here at b4v.

  It’s as simple as that
  peace, neocon

• 15. Ricorun  |  July 2nd, 2008 at 7:04 pm

  As a person of faith, I was a proponent of Bush’s faith-based initiative. There is no question in my mind that faith can be a positive power by those possessing it. It is certainly not inherently evil, or destructive. However, like David Kuo, I recognized problems in the way it was deployed. It was used to prosetylize, it did play favorites, and in the end it was not very effective.

  If Obama can solve those problems (and others), all the power to him. In the mean time I think it’s great he’s causing the far left fits, lol!

• 16. jayhay  |  July 2nd, 2008 at 7:07 pm

  Neo “I-GUARANTEE-it!” con - Yes, political games.

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Kuo

• 17. Kahn  |  July 2nd, 2008 at 7:18 pm

  magnum, Nimitz did not send “the world wonders”. That was padding text put in by cryto people and not removed. Though Halsey thought it was slur at him, it was not supposed to be part of the message.

  You guys should stay away from military stuff. Embarrassing.

  SAR, you honestly think that eh? Time for a new aluminum foil hat my friend, that one’s leaking.

• 18. Casper  |  July 2nd, 2008 at 7:58 pm

  I really do think this is a good idea. Sadly, if McCain had come up with it, the right would be proclaiming it the best thing since popcorn and the left would be claiming it the next step towards Theocracy.

  Both Obama and McCain are coming up with some good ideas (and some not so good). It wouldn’t hurt to evaluate them on their merits rather than who comes up with them.

• 19. Tractatus  |  July 2nd, 2008 at 8:11 pm

  The majority of insults come from the lefties. That’s undeniable.

  You saying it’s “undeniable” doesn’t make it so, unfortunately for you. Clearly, you don’t actually read the posts around here.

  And we are exposing Obama, not hating him. Why can’t you discern the difference? Probably because hate is all you know.

  You, much like Mark Noonan, only apply the word “hate” strictly along party lines. Which makes quotes like the above humorous for those of us who stick to, you know, the actual definitions of words.

  But keep on hatin’, neocon! It’s apparently all you know.

• 20. neocon  |  July 2nd, 2008 at 8:24 pm

  Tractatus,

  I don’t believe that hate is a single party issue, in fact that’s what I meant by the phrase “discern the difference”. Hate emanates from both sides, but definitely weighted towards the left side of the political spectrum.

  And I am glad to see that Obama would choose to carry on a Bush program that is definitely a positive impact on many peoples lives.

• 21. Some Assembly Required  |  July 2nd, 2008 at 8:25 pm

  SAR, you honestly think that eh? Time for a new aluminum foil hat my friend, that one’s leaking.” Kahn

  My Aluminum Foil hat was homemade. Though it maybe a little worn, it still beats that fitted Bronco’s hat that you wear which was made in China. I guess you could call me more of a patriot because I purchase less Chinese materials.

  Nevertheless, I stand by what I said. If you were capable of thinking objectively I’m sure you would understand what I’m saying. In my post I even slammed the dailyKos. I thought for sure you’d at least give me a Hi-5 for that one. Oh well.

• 22. Some Assembly Required  |  July 2nd, 2008 at 8:37 pm

  20. neocon | July 2nd, 2008 at 8:24 pm

  Southern Strategy anyone?!?!?!?!

  Couldn’t resist. Yes, hate comes from both sides, but your doing it again in this post.

  Hate emanates from both sides, but definitely weighted towards the left side of the political spectrum.

  By saying it comes from one side more than the other is being divisive and hypocritical. What I mean by this is, how can you measure hate?

  Just face it, you hate Obama because he is a democrat. McCain could show you the key for the gates of hell and you’d still vote for him over Obama. (You’d probably even cite the lesser of two evils as an excuse) Why? because he is a democrat. That sir is hate. Spin it all you want, but that is what is portrayed on this site on a daily basis.

  P.S. I used the key to hell as an analogy. I actually like McCain and think he’d make a fine president. He’s a hell of a role model and inspiration to millions which no one can take away from him. I just do not think that he is the president we need at this turning point.

• 23. Kahn  |  July 2nd, 2008 at 9:32 pm

  Casper, well it IS a good idea. A good Republican idea. kind of the same thing W proposed and liberals attacked.

  You really believe it? That’s the point here you know…. pandering.

• 24. Casper  |  July 2nd, 2008 at 11:02 pm

  Kahn,
  It probably is pandering. But if he follows through and it works, I don’t care.
  I will say this. IT IS A GOOD REPUBLICAN IDEA.

  I’m not afraid to give credit where credit is due.

• 25. js  |  July 2nd, 2008 at 11:11 pm

  you get the feeling that if someone told obama that he would get more votes if he pee’d his pants, you can be sure the next day he would praising bed wetters….

  bama will say anything, absolutly anything, to get you to vote for him

  just check his record, he is a liar

• 26. cl  |  July 2nd, 2008 at 11:58 pm

  This site is simply exposing Obama for who he is. It’s what CNN, NBC, ABC, etc., do every single day to McCain and the president. There’s very little said here that’s unfair.

• 27. Danish Artist  |  July 3rd, 2008 at 6:10 am

  Well here is one individual that won’t favor this so-called Barak Hussein Obama initiative, Pain, the hell’s gumdrop computer. From the Daily Brimstone:

  “Mark Noonan, Neocon, Plantation Owner all of you war loving Christofascists this is what your religion of hate and division of racism and sexism has done to a message of Hope and Love and triumph over Death that the Messiah tried to deliver and you have corrupted for political gain.

  You and those like you are a CANCER on the Soul of Humanity® and since you spread your poison like a malignancy so be it then if you Live by that deadly sword so shall those that you love suffer by dying by that sword. As We have intoned many times in the face of your rejections of Our implicit pleas you may insult Us in any manner you choose it is your Free Speech right. Take and use the land and the sea but We still Own the Sky!

  We, Ourselves of the Collective wish you good luck with the political power you have gained on Terra becuase like money you will not be able to bring it with you to Hell.”

  Whoa.

  Now back to reality……

• 28. neocon  |  July 3rd, 2008 at 8:39 am

  SAR,

  Once again you reveal a very immature mindest.

  POLITICALLY DISAGREEING WITH OBAMA IS NOT HATING HIM.

  And I do disagree with him on nearly every single issue, primarily because he toes the Democrat party line.

  But again, that’s not hate. Brush up on your common sense.

  As far as my opinion that more hate emanates from the left; I submit the pitchfork and DailyKos of which the right side of the spectrum has no equal.

  have an immature day
  peace, neocon

• 29. Some Assembly Required  |  July 3rd, 2008 at 9:12 am

  Good morning Neo,

  There you go again measuring hate. I’m sure I can dig up over a dozen or so right wing blogs to match dailyKos and the pitchfork or whatever other site you care to reference. Both sides hate. It’s predominantly the far left that hates the far right and vice versa. I’m usually don’t like lumping people into category’s but you sir would without a doubt be far right.

  Your right, politically disagreeing with a candidate does not mean you hate them. However, when the candidate starts towards something you yourself have defended and you slam him for it. Then as justification you say it’s because he’s a democrat or that he’s lying. What would you call that?

  To be far, you did acknowledge above that you agree with Obama for carrying on a Bush Program. However backhanded it may have been.

  The way I see it, it’s either you know you hate him and are just trying to justify it anyway you possibly can. Or you honestly believe your actions do not reflect hatred towards the man. I really don’t know which scenario is worse.

• 30. neocon  |  July 3rd, 2008 at 9:25 am

  SAR,

  I accept your challenge. Name two right wing websites that are on par with the pitchfork and DailyKos.

  And why do you think I am far right? Better yet, how do you define far right?

  I don’t slam Obama, I question his sincerity because of his sudden embrace of certain principles he has never supported in the past. How is that hate?

  I honestly don’t hate Obama, I just have no idea why you insist I do. I will aggressively politically challenge him everyday though, and would love to debate him followed by margaritas at the cantina.

  SAR you’re a good egg. You honorably defend your positions here daily largely absent the typical venom we see other liberals. I give you credit for that…….but still disagree.

  have a hopeful day
  peace, neocon

• 31. Some Assembly Required  |  July 3rd, 2008 at 10:12 am

  Neo,

  I did not offer that up as a challenge. If I did it would negate the point I was making. Which I’ll state again, you cannot measure hate. To say both sides hate, but one more so than the other is disingenuous.

  As I said, I really don’t like placing people into category’s. A label means the person is incapable of objective thought. I called you far right simply because I have not seen you agree with any idea any liberal or democrat has suggested. You disagree with Global Warming, Evolution, you are Pro-life on Abortion, and believe in ANWAR as a long term solution for our oil problems. I cannot speak to whether you actually believe it or just say it for kicks. (I happen to think sometimes it’s the latter) It’s not even so much the stance on the issue that would make you far right, it’s the unwaivering stance IMO.

  I’m more of a beer and whiskey fan myself. A few bad experiences with tequila. Vodka is most certainly the devil. Anyway, nothing like a corona and nice plate of nachos with a little political debate to set a day in motion.

• 32. FmrMarine  |  July 3rd, 2008 at 10:54 am

  sar

  >>>This site has become truly disheartening. You’ve become so hate filled that it has all but consumed every post you make.>>>

  Two things
  1. if you dont like the site…..DONT post your rubbish here.
  2. You are full of $#!t as USUAL.

• 33. InDaVA  |  July 3rd, 2008 at 10:57 am

  speaking of the lesser of 2 evils…

  (2008-02-04) — On the eve of the Super Tuesday primaries, Republican front runner John McCain said conservative voters should “shut up, suck it up, and vote for the lesser of two evils.”

  The Arizona senator refused to specify which of the remaining three GOP candidates is the “other evil,” because he said, “my inner Reagan prevents me from speaking ill of a fellow Republican. But here’s a little straight talk: Fred Thompson is gone. I’m the devil you know, and I’m asking for your vote.”

  The candidate who made George W. Bush look conservative by contrast in the 2000 primaries, said he realizes that “a lot of Republicans are reluctant to vote for me because of my stands against tax cuts, against free speech in political campaigns, against aggressive interrogation of al Qaeda terrorists, against former Defense Secretary Don Rumsfeld, against drilling for oil in Anwar, and against the rule of law when it comes to illegal aliens.”

  “But none of those issues is going to matter in a few years,” Sen. McCain said, “when global warming melts the polar ice caps and I’ll be the owner of ocean-front property in Arizona. So, stop whining, swallow your principles and vote McCain.”

  Later, in an interview on the Straight-Talk Express, his campaign bus, the candidate extended an olive branch to what he called “the other side of the aisle.”

  “I feel your pain,” he said. “Life’s not fair. But you radical right-wingers just have to play the hand you’re dealt by the mainstream media.”

  McCain campaign volunteers will fan out across the 22 primary and caucus states tomorrow with free bottles of water that they’ll hand to conservatives leaving the polls to help those who voted for Sen. McCain, and who thus “threw up in their mouths a little.”

• 34. neocon  |  July 3rd, 2008 at 11:23 am

  SAR,

  I am anti-evolution? Really?

  And I have said that ANWR is our long term solution to the oil crisis?

  That’s news to me.

  “A label means the person is incapable of objective thought.” - SAR

  But then you did just that.

  Follow your own advice.

  InDaVa,

  Thanks for clearly demonstrating how wonderful and effective Obama will be as President.

  Oh wait……….it’s just another rant against McCain.

  have a hopefully changed day
  peace, neocon

• 35. InDaVa  |  July 3rd, 2008 at 11:35 am

  neocon,

  McCain said it. Are you denying he said such things? Irespective of the source, he said it. :)

  Have another dishonest day..

  Peace,InDaVa

• 36. neocon  |  July 3rd, 2008 at 11:39 am

  InDaVa,

  I am not dnying anything aside from your intelligence.

  If you’d like me to post the insane, duplicitous things Obama has said, it could take a day and half, and at the end of the day wouldn’t mean anything.

  Much like your post above.

  have another immature day
  peace, neocon

• 37. Some Assembly Required  |  July 3rd, 2008 at 11:40 am

  neo, you know what you have said. I am yet to see you write anything objective on issues which you (the far right) support. Anything which may make you question I’ve seen you dismiss as BS. This is why I said you were far right. I feel the shoe fits until I see otherwise. If such and event occurs, I will follow my own advise and give you credit for it.

• 38. Tractatus  |  July 3rd, 2008 at 1:47 pm

  I question his sincerity because of his sudden embrace of certain principles he has never supported in the past.

  Yeah, that John McCain sure does suddenly embrace principles he has never supported in the past.

  I look forward to your hard-nosed questioning of his sincerity.

• 39. neocon  |  July 3rd, 2008 at 6:27 pm

  Tractatus,

  Let’s review. I have never defended McCain for being steadfast and unwavering. That is in fact, that is why he is not real liked by a lot of conservatives.

  I am not a huge McCain fan, and I live in AZ, but he was still my 4th choice. I only consider him the be the best alternative and the not second coming, as many perceive Obama to be.

  McCains policy shifting is well documented, Obama has billed himself as not that kind of politician.

  I look forward to your spin away from that.

  have a principled kind of day
  peace, neocon

• 40. Eric T  |  July 3rd, 2008 at 9:44 pm

  Taking a page from President Bush, Democrat Barack Obama said Tuesday he wants to expand White House efforts to steer social service dollars to religious groups.

  This ain’t too bad of an idea from Obama.

• 41. Eric T  |  July 3rd, 2008 at 10:18 pm

  If Obama moves to the right on issues, It is good.

  When you see stuff like this

  http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25519830/?GT1=43001

  You see this, and realize the country as a whole needs to hit the brakes on liberalism. Be a little more conservative, and stick with traditional values and norms.

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