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		<title>By: What?</title>
		<link>http://blogsforvictory.com/2008/07/04/with-manly-firmness/#comment-65416</link>
		<dc:creator>What?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 07:44:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark writes,
"Actually, I’m quite right about that - but that is besides the point. I’m not arguing about the merits of birth control."

Pretty sad. You can't even argue your own point. A A man who can't defend his positions should not voice them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark writes,<br />
&#8220;Actually, I’m quite right about that - but that is besides the point. I’m not arguing about the merits of birth control.&#8221;</p>
<p>Pretty sad. You can&#8217;t even argue your own point. A A man who can&#8217;t defend his positions should not voice them.</p>
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		<title>By: Fredrick Schwartz</title>
		<link>http://blogsforvictory.com/2008/07/04/with-manly-firmness/#comment-65258</link>
		<dc:creator>Fredrick Schwartz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 17:31:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>17. Mark Noonan  &#124;  July 6th, 2008 at 3:00 am


It is both answerable and compelling but as long as the religious right uses it as a truncheon it will appear to take the right of procreative choice away from women who have struggled hard for it. There is no way to put women "back in their place" by having them give birth every time they conceive. I guess that's two genies out of the bottle and you're working on a hat trick.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>17. Mark Noonan  |  July 6th, 2008 at 3:00 am</p>
<p>It is both answerable and compelling but as long as the religious right uses it as a truncheon it will appear to take the right of procreative choice away from women who have struggled hard for it. There is no way to put women &#8220;back in their place&#8221; by having them give birth every time they conceive. I guess that&#8217;s two genies out of the bottle and you&#8217;re working on a hat trick.</p>
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		<title>By: FmrMarine</title>
		<link>http://blogsforvictory.com/2008/07/04/with-manly-firmness/#comment-65245</link>
		<dc:creator>FmrMarine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 15:27:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>snake eyes

Here is a good read...

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/06/why_shakir_cant_read.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>snake eyes</p>
<p>Here is a good read&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/06/why_shakir_cant_read.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/06/why_shakir_cant_read.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: FmrMarine</title>
		<link>http://blogsforvictory.com/2008/07/04/with-manly-firmness/#comment-65242</link>
		<dc:creator>FmrMarine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 15:06:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Snake eyes

You are 100% correct.
Though as a white man I am not allowed to say such things with out being labeled a racist.
We need more MEN like YOU speaking out on this issue.
Bill Cosby was roundly chastised for his right on the money comments.
This is a matter of our countries survival not just feeling good policies.
The blacks have to learn they were lied to by the democRATS and leave that party.
When we see the likes of Colon Powell, Condy, Clarence, Michael J., Tiger, it proves the black community can and will succeed if they get off the democrat led plantation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Snake eyes</p>
<p>You are 100% correct.<br />
Though as a white man I am not allowed to say such things with out being labeled a racist.<br />
We need more MEN like YOU speaking out on this issue.<br />
Bill Cosby was roundly chastised for his right on the money comments.<br />
This is a matter of our countries survival not just feeling good policies.<br />
The blacks have to learn they were lied to by the democRATS and leave that party.<br />
When we see the likes of Colon Powell, Condy, Clarence, Michael J., Tiger, it proves the black community can and will succeed if they get off the democrat led plantation.</p>
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		<title>By: FmrMarine</title>
		<link>http://blogsforvictory.com/2008/07/04/with-manly-firmness/#comment-65239</link>
		<dc:creator>FmrMarine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 14:30:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bobby boy
&#62;&#62;&#62;&#62;I may not have been in the Armed Forces, but I was a Boy Scout, almost an Eagle Scout. &#62;&#62;&#62;

AHHHH HA HA HA ROTFLMAO

I was ALMOST an astronaut what a moron!
camon robt you are probably a single 35-40 yo male and want to be a bot scout leader right.
I think you belong more to the nambla group though...BOY SCOUT HA HA HA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bobby boy<br />
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;I may not have been in the Armed Forces, but I was a Boy Scout, almost an Eagle Scout. &gt;&gt;&gt;</p>
<p>AHHHH HA HA HA ROTFLMAO</p>
<p>I was ALMOST an astronaut what a moron!<br />
camon robt you are probably a single 35-40 yo male and want to be a bot scout leader right.<br />
I think you belong more to the nambla group though&#8230;BOY SCOUT HA HA HA.</p>
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		<title>By: FmrMarine</title>
		<link>http://blogsforvictory.com/2008/07/04/with-manly-firmness/#comment-65238</link>
		<dc:creator>FmrMarine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 14:22:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bobby boy


&#62;&#62;&#62;Well, REAL Marines have honor and conviction and treat others with grace and respect. &#62;&#62;&#62;


Actually....we KILL people and blow things up!

You know NOTHING about me, a schoolyard bully? not even close.
You thhough were obviously the school yard little weasel afraid of his own shadow.!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bobby boy</p>
<p>&gt;&gt;&gt;Well, REAL Marines have honor and conviction and treat others with grace and respect. &gt;&gt;&gt;</p>
<p>Actually&#8230;.we KILL people and blow things up!</p>
<p>You know NOTHING about me, a schoolyard bully? not even close.<br />
You thhough were obviously the school yard little weasel afraid of his own shadow.!</p>
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		<title>By: snake eyes</title>
		<link>http://blogsforvictory.com/2008/07/04/with-manly-firmness/#comment-65237</link>
		<dc:creator>snake eyes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 14:19:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WITH MANLY FIRMNESS I REJECT THOSE WHO SAY I OWE AFRICAN AMERICANS FOR SLAVERY.
     After Katrina the Vietnamese descended minority in Louisiana dug out, cleaned up and went back to work.  While Jesse and others complained about response, racism and other things the Vietnamese were quiet and kept on working to fix things on their own and economically they are all the better for it.
      Someone once said that if a man feels owed or entitled to compensation he will act like it and do nothing to help himself.  What a perfect example after Katrina.  Until the rest of America ceases to placate the African American community and let them know they have to focus on strong families, education and self reliance, you will only enable my brothers and sisters to sit and wait for their hand outs.    

     Please stop apologizing for or to us and give us the freedom to wake up and forget about the fairy tale 40 acres and a mule! Until you do we will ask less of ourselves and for more from you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WITH MANLY FIRMNESS I REJECT THOSE WHO SAY I OWE AFRICAN AMERICANS FOR SLAVERY.<br />
     After Katrina the Vietnamese descended minority in Louisiana dug out, cleaned up and went back to work.  While Jesse and others complained about response, racism and other things the Vietnamese were quiet and kept on working to fix things on their own and economically they are all the better for it.<br />
      Someone once said that if a man feels owed or entitled to compensation he will act like it and do nothing to help himself.  What a perfect example after Katrina.  Until the rest of America ceases to placate the African American community and let them know they have to focus on strong families, education and self reliance, you will only enable my brothers and sisters to sit and wait for their hand outs.    </p>
<p>     Please stop apologizing for or to us and give us the freedom to wake up and forget about the fairy tale 40 acres and a mule! Until you do we will ask less of ourselves and for more from you.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Noonan</title>
		<link>http://blogsforvictory.com/2008/07/04/with-manly-firmness/#comment-65197</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Noonan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 07:00:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What,

Actually, I'm quite right about that - but that is besides the point.  I'm not arguing about the merits of birth control.

And, you're right, the prolife argument is very strong - in fact, it is unanswerable.  And from time to time I post an entry on that subject.  This isn't one of them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What,</p>
<p>Actually, I&#8217;m quite right about that - but that is besides the point.  I&#8217;m not arguing about the merits of birth control.</p>
<p>And, you&#8217;re right, the prolife argument is very strong - in fact, it is unanswerable.  And from time to time I post an entry on that subject.  This isn&#8217;t one of them.</p>
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		<title>By: What?</title>
		<link>http://blogsforvictory.com/2008/07/04/with-manly-firmness/#comment-65194</link>
		<dc:creator>What?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 06:36:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark writes,
"What is wanted, by the advocates, is a smaller number of births. But they call it birth control, and even we who are opposed to the basic concept call it birth control"

No. You are wrong. 
People who use birth control and advocate for its use don't want to lower the overall number of births in the country. They don't want to be pregnant.  That there are less births in the U.S. is simply a by product of their choice to not have children. It really is that simple, Mark.  

Let me put it in simpler terms. I am not pro-abortion. I am pro-choice because I believe a woman should have the option to have an abortion. I, nor the pro-choice movement as a whole, want to force women to have abortions.

Let me make a suggestion. Quit trying to create strawmen arguments when it comes to the abortion argument, Mark. Everyone sees what you are doing. It doesn't work to persuade those who are on the fence. Address the argument presented, not the one you wish was being made.  
You should do this not only out of intellectual honesty but because the pro-life's argument isn't that bad when argued well. 

As for the rest of this post, it seems like something you wrote in a moment of inspiration. There are distinctions in the law of homicide because society has decided certain homicides deserve greater punishment than others. A person who does something stupid and kills someone in the process (2nd degree murder) is not as immoral in society's eyes as Scott Petersen (1st Degree Murder) Rape is a specific kind of sexual assualt. The term sexual assault encompasses other acts beyond penatrative sex. 

Also, I have one last question. Everytime I see a Vietnam Vet acting crazy in the street should I say he is experiencing the "awesome mental and spiritual weight of battle?"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark writes,<br />
&#8220;What is wanted, by the advocates, is a smaller number of births. But they call it birth control, and even we who are opposed to the basic concept call it birth control&#8221;</p>
<p>No. You are wrong.<br />
People who use birth control and advocate for its use don&#8217;t want to lower the overall number of births in the country. They don&#8217;t want to be pregnant.  That there are less births in the U.S. is simply a by product of their choice to not have children. It really is that simple, Mark.  </p>
<p>Let me put it in simpler terms. I am not pro-abortion. I am pro-choice because I believe a woman should have the option to have an abortion. I, nor the pro-choice movement as a whole, want to force women to have abortions.</p>
<p>Let me make a suggestion. Quit trying to create strawmen arguments when it comes to the abortion argument, Mark. Everyone sees what you are doing. It doesn&#8217;t work to persuade those who are on the fence. Address the argument presented, not the one you wish was being made.<br />
You should do this not only out of intellectual honesty but because the pro-life&#8217;s argument isn&#8217;t that bad when argued well. </p>
<p>As for the rest of this post, it seems like something you wrote in a moment of inspiration. There are distinctions in the law of homicide because society has decided certain homicides deserve greater punishment than others. A person who does something stupid and kills someone in the process (2nd degree murder) is not as immoral in society&#8217;s eyes as Scott Petersen (1st Degree Murder) Rape is a specific kind of sexual assualt. The term sexual assault encompasses other acts beyond penatrative sex. </p>
<p>Also, I have one last question. Everytime I see a Vietnam Vet acting crazy in the street should I say he is experiencing the &#8220;awesome mental and spiritual weight of battle?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>http://blogsforvictory.com/2008/07/04/with-manly-firmness/#comment-65157</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 23:36:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FmrMarine, 

Yep - definitely the schoolyard bully.

Arrogant and mean and generally unintelligent yourself. An intelligent and honorable man would treat others with kindness and actually listen to another's point of view.

You say you are a former Marine, I assume. Well, REAL Marines have honor and conviction and treat others with grace and respect. They serve their country with honor and distinction and stand tall in their intent to provide an example to others of what a true American should be.

I may not have been in the Armed Forces, but I was a Boy Scout, almost an Eagle Scout. Sir, the Scouts had a code of honor and stood as an example to others, treating others as you would like to be treated and putting others before yourself.

Quite unlike yourself, FmrMarine. 

FmrMarine, this country was founded on honor, truth and compassion, not insults to others.

Your have none of these qualities. You, sir, are an insult to the Marines and an insult to America. Period.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FmrMarine, </p>
<p>Yep - definitely the schoolyard bully.</p>
<p>Arrogant and mean and generally unintelligent yourself. An intelligent and honorable man would treat others with kindness and actually listen to another&#8217;s point of view.</p>
<p>You say you are a former Marine, I assume. Well, REAL Marines have honor and conviction and treat others with grace and respect. They serve their country with honor and distinction and stand tall in their intent to provide an example to others of what a true American should be.</p>
<p>I may not have been in the Armed Forces, but I was a Boy Scout, almost an Eagle Scout. Sir, the Scouts had a code of honor and stood as an example to others, treating others as you would like to be treated and putting others before yourself.</p>
<p>Quite unlike yourself, FmrMarine. </p>
<p>FmrMarine, this country was founded on honor, truth and compassion, not insults to others.</p>
<p>Your have none of these qualities. You, sir, are an insult to the Marines and an insult to America. Period.</p>
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