Pledged Not Bound
July 7th, 2008 at 12:54am Mark Noonan
Never heard of the guy or the website before this evening, but here’s a website encouraging Obama delegates to ditch him over his policy shifts since wrapping up the nomination:
Richard Nixon famously said: When you are seeking the nomination for president of the Republican Party, you run to the far right; once you’ve secured the nomination, you run to right of center during the election campaign; once you’ve won the presidency, you govern from the center.
Barack Obama has embraced The Nixon Strategy lock, stock and barrel, adapting its mirror-opposite to the Left. He suckered the hard-working base of the party — the Left-wing — into voting for him during the primaries by appealing to the issues dearest to their hearts. These are the very people responsible for getting him to where he is today! Yet once Obama felt he secured the nomination, he has tripped over himself running to the center (some would argue the center-right). Oh, Barack, we thought we knew ye!
How wrong we were.
But Obama made a mistake; he started his move rightwards before securing the nomination. And what he didn’t realize was that…
What the Left giveth, the Left can taketh away!
Question: For you leftwing supporters of Obama, is the desire to beat Bush via McCain worth putting someone as ambitious and dishonest as Obama into the White House?
Entry Filed under: Campaign 2008, Corruption, Democrats, Republicans
27 Comments
1. test » Blog Archive&hellip | July 7th, 2008 at 1:29 am
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2. hermie | July 7th, 2008 at 7:47 am
The Left was conned by a typical Chicago politician. Millions of Left-wing dollars are now in Obama’s pockets for him to play with.
The candidate of ‘Hope and Change’ took their ‘Hope’ and left them with only their spare ‘Change’.
3. Macker's World&hellip | July 7th, 2008 at 8:34 am
Pledged, Not Bound
Over on another site I was postulating what would happen if some pledged Obama delegates switch their votes due to his recent actions. Guess what, there's a site which is exhorting those Obama delegates to do just that!
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4. Bigfoot | July 7th, 2008 at 8:38 am
The pledged delegates must vote according to their pledge in the first round, and can only be released afterwards, if I recall the rules correctly. Unless a large number of supers shift to Hillary and no one gets the nomination in the first round, any delegates wishing to ditch Obama won’t get the chance.
5. phnx | July 7th, 2008 at 8:43 am
“He (Obama) suckered the hard-working base of the (Democrat) party — the Left-wing.”
Hard Working??? Bwwwahahahahahaha!!!
The left wing kooks of the Dem party are largely made up of students, unemployed leaches, and retired hippies.
6. hermie | July 7th, 2008 at 8:45 am
Bigfoot, These are the Dems we are talking about. Any rule is unbreakable unless there is a ‘compelling reason’ to break it.
Remember Michigan and Florida?
7. Sarah Bloch | July 7th, 2008 at 9:15 am
Yes.
8. Fredrick Schwartz | July 7th, 2008 at 9:20 am
Deleted - off topic.
9. neocon | July 7th, 2008 at 9:29 am
Frederick,
Just the post I expected from you:
“Look, over there”
When Markos isn’t happy, ain’t nobody happy!
have a hellac day on terra
peace, neocon
10. Fredrick Schwartz | July 7th, 2008 at 9:33 am
Deleted, still off topic.
11. neocon | July 7th, 2008 at 9:56 am
Frederick,
This is hardly a strawman. Markos has recently withheld a donation and expressed his frustration, CodePink also has recently called him out.
Obama will have to run back to the left to appease his money base, and in doing so, will lose the election.
It’s a lose, lose situation.
good luck
peace, neocon
12. yekepyt | July 7th, 2008 at 10:13 am
Ok, Mark has officially jumped the shark and become a parody of himself.
He wrote: “is the desire to beat Bush via McCain worth putting someone as ambitious and dishonest as Obama into the White House?”
Note that Mark’s misguided opinion — that Obama is dishonest — is asserted as fact by virtue of being part of the question. Much like asking someone if they’ve stopped beating their wife.
A Bush supporter complaining of a politician’s dishonesty is delicious irony.
Mark, aren’t you at least a little bit embarrassed when you go back and re-read what you’ve written? I mean, come on… do you think that all of your readers are stupid or something?
13. TampaBayRayz-4-evah-don't-mess | July 7th, 2008 at 10:28 am
Neocon: This being your spot, I’m going to allow you to frame the debate. I’m going to respond to your comments.
How Markos Moulitsas and Code Pink and Obama and some money base all get conflated is missing me here. I have no illusions about any of this.
Barack Obama is a big-time pol, a few of the necessary but not sufficient qualities of such are a big ego, the ability to withstand a lot of ridicule at one’s own expense, and the ability to flip-flop so as to put together as big a coalition as possible.
Markos Moulitsas is a for-profit political web entrepreneur. He is both selling a product and is a product himself to be sold. In other words, he is looking to maximize net profit to the point at which marginal cost = marginal revenue. There are times when it serves those ends to be less and more supportive of Barack Obama. That Markos Moultisas has been able to turn this thing of his into a profit-center is fine. I’m neither a fan nor an enemy. Whatever he’s doing, he’s making money.
Code Pink is a not-for-profit, anti-war, pro-military organization. There are times when it serves those ends to be less and more supportive of Barack Obama.
Barack Obama’s “money base” is in Hollywood, FIRE and to a lesser extent online. Hollywood has it’s priorities. FIRE has it’s priorities. The “netroots” are pretty diverse but they seem to have filled Obama’s coffers equally when Obama was playing a politically-conservative Chauncey Gardener, when Obama was being a strong Progressive, and now when Obama is looking past the Blue States he has locked-down and is trying to cut into McCain’s Red-State numbers.
At this point, it makes no difference. Obama could run as Joe Lieberman or as Dennis Kucinich. However he chooses to present himself, he get about the same number of votes bought by the same amount of money. In any and all incarnations of Barack Obama, he’s a better choice for president than McCain on every level in my estimation.
I would like to see some Republican here view their candidates and allied media with the same clarity.
14. FmeMarine | July 7th, 2008 at 6:12 pm
Rayz4ever;
>>>>I would like to see some Republican here view their candidates and allied media with the same clarity.>>>
It has been done at least 4000 times, you are to late, and mos,t are to sick and tired to RE RE RE RE RE RE RE RE RE Post their views to you lefties.
15. FmrMarine | July 7th, 2008 at 6:16 pm
all
We arent done with the Klintons until the fat lady sings.
Never underestimate them…….they are the kings of dirty politics.
16. TampaBayRayz-4-evah-don't-mess | July 7th, 2008 at 7:52 pm
Fmr Marine:
No argument. I am late to B4V. I made Fred a promise that if got back into baseball, I’d start visiting the Right-Wing sites. I had missed all of the discussion during the primary season. I don’t expect you or any other regular here to rehash those arguments for my benefit.
I would, however, like to see McCain presented here NOW with the same degree of clarity and understanding of political instrumentality that I have set forth. I expect you to heartily endorse the man, as I have Obama. But I’d like to know that you are aware that this is the game of politics and not a struggle of good versus evil.
We’ve all set that aside as adolescents, yes or no?
It was Robert Bork himself who said “show me a man who wasn’t a socialist at some point before age 40 and I’ll show you a man with no heart. Show me a man who was a socialist at some point after age 40 and I’ll show you a man with no head.”
17. neocon | July 7th, 2008 at 9:15 pm
Vicodin,
Why did you change your name?
To answer your question though re: the endorsement of McCain, most of us here are really not big McCain fans. We simply view him as the best alternative in an otherwise very weak year.
I do like McCain’s approach to government spending and, being an AZ resident, I have witnessed first hand his sincerity on that issue. I also like McCain’s approach to the war. He has been in front of that issue almost from day one, having advocated the surge and having the experience to know what war is all about.
Your sensational comment the other day about not “letting them have your child” was very juvenile, and underscores your naivety in terms of global conflict.
I think McCain is a very well know entity on the political stage, meaning people know where he stands, whether they agree or disagree, and are comfortable with him. Obama is a complete unknown as a leader. There is little record to scrutinize and his recent move to the center has highlighted that uncertainity of his resolve with the issues. I think this help McCain in what could be a close election. I think McCain will win just enough independents to win it.
I’ll be shocked if you disagree
have a hellac day
peace, neocon
18. Truth is Right | July 7th, 2008 at 9:18 pm
Deleted - weird mental ramblings…
19. neocon | July 7th, 2008 at 9:38 pm
Truth is Right,
Did you run that screed by the collective brain drain over at the pitchfork first?
I will bet it played well there. Here, not so much.
Turn you cap lock off. Better yet, go away.
have a hellac day
peace, neocon
20. Jeremiah | July 7th, 2008 at 9:57 pm
neocon,
Pardon?
21. neocon | July 7th, 2008 at 10:22 pm
Jeremiah,
I sense insincereity.
I believe it to be one of the pitchforkers.
22. Jeremiah | July 7th, 2008 at 10:40 pm
I sense insincereity.
Neocon,
I know Truth is Right. And he’s a good Christian man. He’s not from the Pitchfork.
He understands how dangerous Obama is. So he is very sincere.
23. Mark Noonan | July 8th, 2008 at 1:06 am
yek,
No, I don’t think all my readers are stupid…
24. Jeremiah | July 8th, 2008 at 11:01 am
…continued from my post @ 10:40 PM
And I don’t appreciate Mark deleting his post like that. I found nothing at all weird about it.
25. FmrMarine | July 8th, 2008 at 6:41 pm
rayz4;
>>>It was Robert Bork himself who said “show me a man who wasn’t a socialist at some point before age 40 and I’ll show you a man with no heart. Show me a man who was a socialist at some point after age 40 and I’ll show you a man with no head.”>>>
“Alas, one particular quote that is often mistakenly attributed to the great Brit is,
Any man who is under 30, and is not a liberal, has no heart; and any man who is over 30, and is not a conservative, has no brains.”
While the sentiment is certainly astute and wise, the saying did not originate with Churchill. In fact, that wording is a variation of, “The man who is not a socialist at twenty has no heart, but if he is still a socialist at forty he has no head�, which belongs to the former French Prime Minister Aristide Briand, who was himself a recovered socialist. ”
“Sidenote: I was reminded of these quotes after reading a Fraters� post with the title:
Anyone Who Isn’t A Socialist At Twenty Doesn’t Have A Heart, Anyone Who Is Still A Socialist At Thirty Doesn’t Have A Brain, Anyone Who Needs To Tell The World At Forty That They Met Both The Prior Descriptions Doesn’t Have The Ability To Shutup!”
26. Ricorun | July 8th, 2008 at 7:56 pm
Frank Rizzo (fmr mayor of Philadelphia): A conservative is a liberal who was mugged the night before.
Thomas Wolfe (author): A liberal is a conservative who was arrested the night before.
They probably aren’t original though. These probably aren’t either (nor are they relevant, just funny):
Augustine (saint): To think is to be.
Sartre (philosopher): To be is to do.
Sinatra (Chmn of the Board): Do be do be do.
A while back I had a discussion with some friends about how to conceive of conservatism, and whether its meaning needed to be modernized. In the process I came across this article from 30 years ago which tickled me. Almost 30 years later, circa 2004, remember how liberals weren’t liberals — they were “progressives”? Lol!
Labels are fascinating. They are at best summaries, at worst conflations, and sometimes both meaningful and meaningless all at once.
27. yekepyt | July 8th, 2008 at 9:00 pm
Mark, you state that you “don’t think that think all [your] readers are stupid” but you continue to write as if you were addressing a group of imbeciles who cannot see through your cheesecloth “arguments.”
Sam is an eight-year-old living next door who operates a neighborhood juice stand and other various entrepreneurial ventures. I am tempted to pay him $10 per day to post corrections to all of the pedantic hogwash that you write on this blog.