Tremors in the Liberal Base
July 10th, 2008 at 09:38am Mark Noonan
From Firedoglake:
He sure talks the talk. Too bad his health care plan isn’t universal. Hilary’s was. Edwards’ was. Obama’s isn’t. But don’t worry, Obama believes.
Mmm, those sweet hot whispers. Like Obama’s belief in abortion rights. You can have that abortion. ‘Ceptin’ all those women having late term abortions for kicks (anyone ever known even one?), so we need to make some rules so government can go all Schiavo on them at eight months. Let’s start having court cases over what counts as enough emotional distress to justify late term abortions. Obama’s for abortion rights, just not for women who don’t deserve them. Just like he’s for universal health care. Except not for everyone.
His sweet talk is the same as every other empty suit’s to a pretty woman - he just wants her to say “yes”, just one time, in this case - just one time in November.
But when they listen real close, they hear that his health care plan isn’t actually universal, and his support of Roe vs. Wade is only if mental illness isn’t involved.
Sweet but empty.
Obama. Obama. Obama.
Please, please, no more sweet and empty. It’s not Diet Obama we’re looking for.
Be for the 4th amendment. Be for abortion rights. And be for universal health are. Don’t just say you’re progressive one day, then the next day say “except…”
No more sweet nothings.
Real commitment will get you eight years, not just one day.
The left really does believe that America turned left in 2006 - that, in fact, America has always been left and the fact of conservative Congresses and Presidents is a result of stolen election and/or bamboozled populations…but everyone has “woken up”, now, and the left is on the march…so, Obama is (or, at least, was) the man..the ardent leftist who will change America into a hopeful, leftist nation where the whole, long national nightmare of President Bush will be put forever to rest and no more conservatives will ever arise to disturb the liberal orthodoxy.
And then Obama had to go and drop dime on them - and they’re all shocked, as if they didn’t go through 8 years of Clinton hanging the left out to dry because the left is only a tiny minority in America and can’t win elections on its own. Clinton knew this and, apparently, Obama has figured it out…and so Obama tries to shift right for the fall campaign and hopes and hopes that McCain will not be successful as reminding the voters that Obama has always been a far left extremist in thought and action. One might think that the left would be ok with this - confident that Obama will govern left once in office and so don’t rock the boat until November is in the bag…but this ignores something the left believes very strongly: Only an avowedly leftist candidate can defeat the GOP because the American people are yearning for leftism and only a leftwing clarion call will get them motivated enough to beat back the Republican noise machine and Diebold vote stealing. Obama’s triangulation, far from helping him for November, is seen by the left as not just a betrayal, but a formula for certain defeat.
What will the result of this be? Time will tell - certainly Obama will still overwhelmingly win the leftwing voters in November…but how many of them will show up? That is the real question…
Entry Filed under: Campaign 2008, Democrats, Republicans
22 Comments
1. neocon | July 10th, 2008 at 9:44 am
Do you think that they will cut his nuts off?
have a transgendered day
peace, neocon
2. William Teach | July 10th, 2008 at 9:59 am
ROTFLOL (I don’t care if that is juvenile)
Most of the left will vote for Obama, but, the more he turns to the right, the less enthused they will be to give money and participate. Bush is not running, so, they have nothing to really get enthused for if this continues.
3. Retired Spook | July 10th, 2008 at 10:36 am
Do you think that they will cut his nuts off?
Yeah neo, once again Jessie Jackson reveals what a classless piece of human debris he is. Kudos to Fox for showing the clip, but boos to Fox for even having the worthless turd on in the first place.
but, the more he turns to the right, the less enthused they will be to give money and participate.
William, if keeps up his hard right turn, a lot of the Lefties who have already donated are going to be asking for a refund.
Up until now I’ve been pretty down on this election. I’m less than enthused about McCain, and I figured unless Obama pissed in someone’s drink, he’d be the next President. Now I’m not so sure. Clinton was slick enough to pull off triangulation without really pissing off the Leftwing base, and, of course, he had Perot siphoning off 20% of the vote in ‘92 and 10% in ‘96. This time around Barr and Nader won’t get 2% between them. Obama can’t risk offending the far left-wingers just to pick a few nitwit Moderates like Casper. Besides, Casper’s already on board the Obama Express.
4. neocon | July 10th, 2008 at 10:45 am
Obamas sprint to the center should be a wake up call to the lefties that the majority they think they enjoy is naught.
Obama can not win without the center independents, and that means supporting victory in Iraq, supporting the 2nd ammendment, allowing the administration the intelligence tools to thwart terrorism and questioning the abortion on demand lobby.
That will drive the left nuts! (pun intended)
peace, neocon
5. Senior and Adult Day Care&hellip | July 10th, 2008 at 10:55 am
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6. CanadianObserver | July 10th, 2008 at 11:06 am
4. neocon | July 10th, 2008 at 10:45 am
Do you think, neocon, there would be even a remote possibility that those votes Obama has lost due to his perceived shift to the right would be made up by Republicans who have become disenchanted by the performance of their own party during the Bush debacle and have no interest continuing the calamity with McCain?
7. neocon | July 10th, 2008 at 11:15 am
CO,
While the discord on the left is revealed daily, the right silently coalesces around a candidate they deem to be the only choice, and despite their disagreements, they will support him.
The alternative is unacceptable.
8. Magnum Serpentine | July 10th, 2008 at 11:26 am
Hum,
Lets see.
Arkansas is now a blue State, Missouri is just about to go blue, (Mainly because george drove the democrats who lived in New Orleans out and they settled in these states) Oklahoma, despite its twisted senior senator, is also about to go blue, Kansas is blue, other states like Colorado, Wyoming, Ohio, Florida, Arizona, Montana, Tennessee, and Mississippi could easily go blue in 2008
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9. neocon | July 10th, 2008 at 11:31 am
“Mainly because george drove the democrats who lived in New Orleans out and they settled in these states…..” - Mags
You are my favorite lemming. Reality is just concept that eludes you, isn’t it?
have a deliriously delusional BDS day
peace, neocon
10. InDaVa | July 10th, 2008 at 11:33 am
Reality? Please neocon…Your reality comes from scrappleface.com. Lemming indeed…
11. neocon | July 10th, 2008 at 11:38 am
InDaVa,
Please provide for me the many posts wherein I referenced scrappleface.com.
There are obviously many to choose from so it shouldn’t be too difficult.
Unless your lying.
have a deceitful day
peace, neocon
12. SEW | July 10th, 2008 at 11:52 am
“Do you think that they will cut his nuts off?”
neocon
It seems BO and the rest of the far left has been neutered forever. Michelle O wouldn’t have it any other way.
13. '08ama | July 10th, 2008 at 12:42 pm
Is Obama a flip-flopper ? yes
Does he pander for political points ? of course
Does America have a clear understanding of where Obama stands on all important issues ? no, not really.
But the known unknowns about Obama far outweigh the known knowns of McSame’s ’stay the course’ policy.
America already KNOWS they dont want that, it’s etched in granite. Obama may be just as bad in the long run, but America is willing to give him a chance because the alternative, is worse than the disaster we find ourselves in today after 7.5 years of complete failure by this administartion.
It really is as simple as that.
If only Sean Hannity would realize it, he could save himself tons of grief.
14. InDaVa | July 10th, 2008 at 12:46 pm
The fact that you referenced it even ONCE, and vehemently defended it as a reliable source says alot about your reality.
Have another dishonest day
peace, InDaVa
15. David B. Schmidt | July 10th, 2008 at 1:00 pm
InDaVa,
New Orleans got the same exact response from the government as Miami did following Hurricane Andrew–the only difference was we didn’t wait for the government to save our ass (plus a better Governor)–we did it ourselves. You know, pull oneself up by the bootstraps. Help your neighbors, etc.
Just as we did it — so have all the folks along the Mississippi that got flooded out. We were busy rebuilding rather than waiting on the government while looting stores for necessities like large screen plasma TVs.
Guess that is the difference between a conservative and a liberal. We conservatives do — you liberals whine and want half of what we worked for.
16. neocon | July 10th, 2008 at 2:46 pm
InDaVa Sweetie,
That was a QUOTE which was widely available on many other sources.
It was not EDITORIAL.
Your omission of that fact exposes your ignorance.
have another delusional day
peace, neocon
17. InDaVa | July 10th, 2008 at 4:23 pm
“That was a QUOTE which was widely available on many other sources. ”
neocon sweetie,
Your dishonesty is hilarious!. I Googled your quotes then and I did it again just now. I received 1 hit. And guess what? It’s scrappleface.com. I guess all those other sources you speak of don’t keep archives. Integrity indeed!
Here are your quotes…Go ahead look it up. I doubt you will. It’s Ok to admit you were wrong.
“(2003-12-23) — Bill Clinton should be fired as ex-president because he failed to stop the terror attacks of September 11, 2001, according to Democrat presidential candidate Wesley Clark.
Mr. Clark’s remarks came just after news reports that he had praised Mr. Clinton, rather than George Bush, for applying pressure to Libya that resulted in that nation agreeing to abandon its weapons of mass destruction.
“After I gave my former commander-in-chief credit for squeezing Libya,” said Mr. Clark, “I realized that I would also have to blame him for not stopping the 9/11 attacks. After all, there was a three-year hiatus between the Clinton White House and the Libyan decision, but only nine months between Bill’s departure and the day the planes hit.”
The former NATO Commander added that his views on the matter were subject to change without notice.”
Once again, Have another dishonest day.
peace,InDaVa
18. FmrMarine | July 10th, 2008 at 6:00 pm
Sew;
>>>“Do you think that they will cut his nuts off?”>>
I think that “aunt ester” wife of his did the job for je$$e years ago.
Isnt that what the blacks have been accusing whites of doing? castrating black males?
MAYBE under those hoods?—-nah
BUT I did see a u tube of dave chappell portraying “clayton bigsby!
http://video.google.com/videosearch?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=s&hl=en&q=videos%20dave%20chappell&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wv#q=dave%20chappell%20clayton%20bigsby&hl=en&sitesearch=
19. Casper | July 10th, 2008 at 6:40 pm
Retired Spook
“Obama can’t risk offending the far left-wingers just to pick a few nitwit Moderates like Casper. Besides, Casper’s already on board the Obama Express.”
Nice to know you care.
20. Retired Spook | July 11th, 2008 at 8:55 am
Nice to know you care.
I really don’t, Casper. That’s why I made the comment. I admire many of the things you’ve said you’ve done in your classroom, but, at the end of the day, you’re still a dufas, as any rational person would conclude if they went back in the archives and read your comments.
21. Ricorun | July 11th, 2008 at 10:44 am
What’s interesting to me is that a lot of conservative-types share the sentiments Spook mentioned in #3: Up until now I’ve been pretty down on this election. I’m less than enthused about McCain, and I figured unless Obama pissed in someone’s drink, he’d be the next President. The reason is because McCain is viewed as not conservative enough. So what will conservatives do, vote for Obama? I doubt it. If McCain presented himself as more conservative would more moderates vote for him? I doubt it.
Now conservatives are gleeful that Obama is steering towards the center, figuring it will disillusion his liberal base. It no doubt will. So what will liberals do, vote for McCain? I doubt it. If Obama presented himself as more liberal would more moderates vote for him? I doubt it.
The fact is, conservatives will get over their disenchantment with McCain because the thought of the alternative is too terrible. Likewise the liberals. neocon states (correctly, I think) that Obamas sprint to the center should be a wake up call to the lefties that the majority they think they enjoy is naught. Obama can not win without the center independents, and that means supporting victory in Iraq, supporting the 2nd ammendment, allowing the administration the intelligence tools to thwart terrorism and questioning the abortion on demand lobby. Likewise, McCain cannot win without the center independents, and that means supporting comprehensive immigration reform, recognizing global warming, taking action on health care, and claiming that victory in Iraq and Afghanistan will occur rapidly enough to provide a “peace dividend” that will allow him to balance the budget by the end of his first term. The difference is the conservatives got their wake-up call a couple of months ago. The liberals are getting theirs now.
Spook thinks Casper is a dufus, presumably not because he’s supported some of Obama’s ideas, but just on general principles. Personally, I think Casper has done a pretty good job challenging other peoples’ opinions and defending his own. So no, I wouldn’t rate him high on the dufus scale. I do think, however, that merely supporting Obama is sufficient cause for many around here to be considered a dufus, no matter how carefully considered and expressed their reasons are. Heck, if Colin Powell ever joins the Obamacons, I’m pretty sure he’ll be considered a dufus — much like Joe Lieberman is on the other side.
I honestly can’t say who I’m going to vote for. I’m not going to change my opinions to suit them. They have to convince me they’re the best candidate. And so far, neither one has done so.
22. Retired Spook | July 11th, 2008 at 11:32 am
Spook thinks Casper is a dufus, presumably not because he’s supported some of Obama’s ideas, but just on general principles.
100% correct, Rico. My 87-year-old mother is enthralled with Obama. My dad thinks she’s a dufus. I just think she’s misguided. She thinks we have too many enemies, and that Obama will fix that. The last person I heard say that was Cheryl Crow. I love my mom, and I love to hear Cheryl Crow’s sing, but, let’s face it — politically she’s a dufus too.
Personally, I think Casper has done a pretty good job challenging other peoples’ opinions and defending his own.
Casper does do a credible job of challenging other people’s opinions — defending his own; not so much. In fact, after reading his comments for, what, a couple years — I couldn’t tell you what he believes. He’s a typical moderate. He’s so middle-of-the-road, I’m amazed he’s never been run over. OK, the “dufus” part was a little over the top and designed more to get a rise out of him than anything. (which it did) I’ve been called much worse. I actually thought his response: “nice to know you care” was classic.
Spook, What conclusion do you think any rational person should reach after reading your comments?
I suspect you’ve already answered that in your own mind, nhak, but I’m going to answer it anyway. Today is the first time I’ve seen your screen name here, while I’ve been a regular here for 4-1/2 years. If you go back through the archives of B4B and B4V and read my comments, you’ll see that (1) I have a very low tolerance for people like you; (2) I love this country for what it is, not for some utopia that I’d like it to become; (3) I served in the U.S. Navy for 24 years to defend the right of people to disagree with me; (4) I believe in limited government and agree with one of Thomas Jefferson’s most famous statements: “The government is best which governs least.”; (5) I believe in personal responsibility; (6) I believe in equality of opportunity, not equality of outcome; (7) I do not accept the liberal contention that the United States spreads nothing but misery and strife around the globe, but that, instead, America has freed more people from tyranny and oppression than all of the other countries in the history of civilization; and last, I believe in God and accept Jesus Christ as my personal savior.