That’s certainly not what you’ve said in the past; you’ve even said that any non-Christian religion or belief system can only be “correct” insofar as it coincides with Christianity. Why so coy about it now? Are you backtracking from how wrong you were before? If so, that would be a small bit of progress on your part. But I suspect you’re just engaging in a little CYA here.

the concept that man, being an entirely material being, can be perfected

I’ve never seen anybody but you forward this line, incidentally. You constantly parrot it, yet nobody else–certainly no “leftists”–has ever espoused it as far as I’ve seen. You might want to let that strawman go and form a more cogent argument.

BTW, how much of a literalist are you? Do you believe the talking snake story is literally true? If so, can one find “wisdom” from other stories about talking animals and magical fruit?

You need to get off your high horse. Your greatly inflated sense of self-worth isn’t impressing me.

I spent 20 years in the Army (’85-’05), so you can STFU about whether or not I know anything about the military.

Don’t ask a question if you don’t want an answer. You asked why 1,215 troops would reenlist and I gave you just a couple of reasons why people reenlist. I said you can’t claim they all reenlisted for the same reason. You are the one who claims to be able to read 1,215 minds in order to say they all reenlisted for the same reason. With that kind of power you should be able to round up all the bad guys in Iraq in a matter of days. Good luck with that.

I didn’t give an opinion on stop-loss (though I do think it sucks and I can say it was not even mentioned to me when I enlisted), I simply pointed out your error. Since you are the one who made the false claim that reenlisting would keep some people in theater, maybe you are the one who needs to learn more about the military.

You are proof positive that you do not know jack about the military. I have dealt with everything from upper-class through the poorest of the poor but in the Marines we were all one class–mainly poor.

No one joined for tax-exempt status or the bonuses–or at least they didn’t re-enlist for them. Stop-loss was explained before we signed our lives away in your views and we serve with honor in our views — why are you trying to make us fail again?

Bascallly, (expletive deleted) you — get out of my way to make your world better whether you like it or not.

-Sgt. David S.

[BTW, don't challange this without a (expletive deleted) of backup -- the standard liberal puke will not fly. Start with the nasties in S.America]

Hope you have a wndeful evening RS
All others - sleep well at my expense…

Heck, I didn’t even mildly try to impel religion down anyone’t throat in this entry - while I’ve got the rack and the cat o’nine tails ready for the heretics most of the time, on this thread I was talking about Iraq, and Obama’s manifest incompetance to be President. Naturally, this makes a leftist want to bring up religion on the theory that its better to talk about anything else than Obama…

Still haven’t read that report about the WMDs we found in Iraq, haven’t you? Really, you should…if nothing else, it will make you less tiresome.

That aside, you get it is a bit wrong - the leftwing lie is that the material is all there is and out of this lie comes the concept that man, being an entirely material being, can be perfected - that a system can be set up which won’t allow this entirely material man to be selfish, or greedy, or envious, or lazy, or mendacious…You don’t have to subscribe to the Bible to be on firm ground, but you must reject materialism.

And as for that creation story - if you had a bit of wisdom you’d understand that it tells the story of how mankind decided he wanted to live on his own, but he has nothing of his own…and our whole story from that moment to this is the story of God guiding us to voluntarily make the choice to be with him. With him, you’ve got everything - without him, you’ve got yourself, and nothing more, ever.

And finally, before someone brings up what the troops want–talk to them (I do regularly) and ask yourself why 1215 troops (largest ever), including at least two husband/wife teams, reenlisted knowing they would stay or face another tour.

Because their reenlistment bonus is tax exempt if they reup in a combat zone? Also, reenlisting won’t make you stay. If your term is to end during your deployment, you are involuntarily extended until after your return. They could also be thinking that a Democratic president is likely next year, so they won’t have to do another tour in Iraq. Those are just some possibilities. Everyone reenlists for their own reasons, so you can’t attribute a single reason to all of them.

Joe Wilson, if you have read his report, actually confirmed the government’s findings before he denied them (starting to sound familiar) as well as the rest of his crap has been proven over and over again to be total lies. Talk about a dead horse.

Chalibi, aka “Screwball”, was another flat out P
OS that shouldn’t have been trusted–at least not without verification. Nonetheless, about half of Congress (if I remember correctly) is admitting to voting without reading the basics and no one brought up major opposition. These are the folks you voted for because I pounded mine to at least make an informed decision.

Hindsight being 20-20 has benefits but one has to live with decisions made. McClellan is another that has reversed his original statements with the plausible story he altered at the request of the publisher to sell books. Better yet, he has “refined” his position aka Sen. Obama. Just like “anytime, anywhere” means nothing to the man who claims words are everything.

Take all of that for what you will–the question still is “Do you want to win or lose?” That is what is important now.

You reckon the world would be a “better” place if we just simply abolished morality and the laws thereof?

Ok, let’s do it…let’s GO FOR IT, BABY!!

Let’s legalize sodomite marriage in all fifty states. Let’s let women do whatever they want to do with their bodies and children. And as far as God is schools, we don’t have to worry there, cuz that’s already been settled.
Uuuuh, what next? Let’s see …. Let’s abolish the death penalty and build more prisons.
Uuuuh, what next? Let me see, let’s implement more federal funding for sexually transmitted diseases…medicine, surgery, contraceptives and the like.

The only drawback, however, is that, I don’t know how many hard-working folks will want to spend their hard earned money in taxes to support these things, you see.

But….we can do it, right?

GO FOR IT!!!

HA HA HAAAAAAA!

False comparison. For starters, I have never said and would never say, as Noonan repeatedly has, that anybody who does not share my belief system cannot be correct about anything.

What I do think both of you object to, strongly, is Chrisitanity. When this issue is raised, both of you lose objectivity because of your disdain. And I am not sure why.

No, I have no problem with Christianity as a whole. I do have a problem with people–like Noonan–who insist that theirs is the only correct way, with people like Jeremiah who use their religion to excuse their rather despicable views (see: Jeremiah’s “God-based” rationale for wanting gays murdered), and with literalists who demand that the world be brought into accordance with their beliefs, facts be damned. These are not problems with Christianity, but problems with the application and projection thereof.