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		<title>By: What?</title>
		<link>http://blogsforvictory.com/2008/07/14/looking-ahead-to-post-war-iraq/#comment-67415</link>
		<dc:creator>What?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 07:46:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Noonan writes,
"That would suffice because, remember, the ultimate point of liberating Iraq is to place into the middle east a functioning, democratic government able to sustain itself against internal and external threats…in the end, it doesn’t matter if the Iraqis vote against us, as long as they vote."

And there you have it!
We fought this war and spent all our blood and treasure for what? To have the very people we liberated "vote against us." 
So if this democratically elected government chooses to have strong ties with Iran and Syria, we have won? 
This is the most bizarre definition of victory I have seen. 

But this is not really what Noonan will accept. You aren't going to accept "liberating" and watch as it gets cozy with Iran.  

Your desire for two large military bases shows you will not be satisfied with this outcome. 
What is more shocking is the extent of the terms you want to place on the government. You hope that they basically become a military outpost for us to launch attacks on Iran. 

This comment is awe-inspiring:
" the ability to project American power into the heart of the middle east."

After all these years you still don't get it. The very power you seek to expand was the cause of the danger. 
This poet demonstrates your devastating ignorance of recent history. 
The reason why we attacked on September 11 was because of our giant footprint in the Middle East. Now you intend on expanding that footprint? 
We had bases in around the Middle East for decades. We have them in Saudi Arabia, the country where the 9/11 terrorist came from. Setting up a military base and sticking a bunch of troops in them won't weed out terrorists. It will only increase their number. These are criminal organizations, not countries you send an army to fight. 

Somehow you have mistaken people of the Middle East as people willing to bow down to this power you speak of projecting. If they know we will kill them at a moments notice, they'll behave is the assumption you are making. Basically, you think they are wimps

They didn't bow before and they won't now. Neither would you if a foreign nation placed a miliarty base on your doorstep and told you to pipe down and play fort to their military. 

I like the bi-lateral trade agreement line. Good way to say "Give us your oil."

Do us all a favor. Drop the whole noble cause bit and admit this is empire building.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Noonan writes,<br />
&#8220;That would suffice because, remember, the ultimate point of liberating Iraq is to place into the middle east a functioning, democratic government able to sustain itself against internal and external threats…in the end, it doesn’t matter if the Iraqis vote against us, as long as they vote.&#8221;</p>
<p>And there you have it!<br />
We fought this war and spent all our blood and treasure for what? To have the very people we liberated &#8220;vote against us.&#8221;<br />
So if this democratically elected government chooses to have strong ties with Iran and Syria, we have won?<br />
This is the most bizarre definition of victory I have seen. </p>
<p>But this is not really what Noonan will accept. You aren&#8217;t going to accept &#8220;liberating&#8221; and watch as it gets cozy with Iran.  </p>
<p>Your desire for two large military bases shows you will not be satisfied with this outcome.<br />
What is more shocking is the extent of the terms you want to place on the government. You hope that they basically become a military outpost for us to launch attacks on Iran. </p>
<p>This comment is awe-inspiring:<br />
&#8221; the ability to project American power into the heart of the middle east.&#8221;</p>
<p>After all these years you still don&#8217;t get it. The very power you seek to expand was the cause of the danger.<br />
This poet demonstrates your devastating ignorance of recent history.<br />
The reason why we attacked on September 11 was because of our giant footprint in the Middle East. Now you intend on expanding that footprint?<br />
We had bases in around the Middle East for decades. We have them in Saudi Arabia, the country where the 9/11 terrorist came from. Setting up a military base and sticking a bunch of troops in them won&#8217;t weed out terrorists. It will only increase their number. These are criminal organizations, not countries you send an army to fight. </p>
<p>Somehow you have mistaken people of the Middle East as people willing to bow down to this power you speak of projecting. If they know we will kill them at a moments notice, they&#8217;ll behave is the assumption you are making. Basically, you think they are wimps</p>
<p>They didn&#8217;t bow before and they won&#8217;t now. Neither would you if a foreign nation placed a miliarty base on your doorstep and told you to pipe down and play fort to their military. </p>
<p>I like the bi-lateral trade agreement line. Good way to say &#8220;Give us your oil.&#8221;</p>
<p>Do us all a favor. Drop the whole noble cause bit and admit this is empire building.</p>
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		<title>By: bongoman</title>
		<link>http://blogsforvictory.com/2008/07/14/looking-ahead-to-post-war-iraq/#comment-67175</link>
		<dc:creator>bongoman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 08:35:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;We are there at the invitation of the Iraqi government. This is a sovereign nation. Twelve million people went to the polls to approve a constitution. It's their government's choice. If they were to say leave, we would leave.
-George W. Bush, May 24, 2007&lt;/blockquote&gt;

What a bunch of crap.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>We are there at the invitation of the Iraqi government. This is a sovereign nation. Twelve million people went to the polls to approve a constitution. It&#8217;s their government&#8217;s choice. If they were to say leave, we would leave.<br />
-George W. Bush, May 24, 2007</p></blockquote>
<p>What a bunch of crap.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Noonan</title>
		<link>http://blogsforvictory.com/2008/07/14/looking-ahead-to-post-war-iraq/#comment-67158</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Noonan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 06:09:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shuuman,

Your prayers are greatly appreciated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shuuman,</p>
<p>Your prayers are greatly appreciated.</p>
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		<title>By: Shuuman</title>
		<link>http://blogsforvictory.com/2008/07/14/looking-ahead-to-post-war-iraq/#comment-67141</link>
		<dc:creator>Shuuman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 05:18:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My divorce from reality is complete?

In your world, G.W. Bush is one of the greatest Presidents of the United States...ever.  (snicker)

In your world, you believe the war on terror is the kind you win and lose.  (snicker)

In your world, our economy is robust, we're a bunch of whiners.  (snicker)

In your world we're safer now, then we were 7 years ago.  (snicker)

In your world, drilling for oil now, will affect the price of oil positively.   (snicker)

In your world, even though the dems have given Bush everything he wants,  it's still the dems fault for all the problems we have today.  (snicker)

In your world, even though everyone agrees abortion is the last, worst choice for a woman, it's still the liberal dems fault a woman makes her own choice with her body.  (snicker)

Mr. Noonan, you really ought to do a soul searching moral inventory.

Bush's legacy is what he has earned.  Your legacy is expressed in what you write here, and what is honest and truthful.  Can you look in the mirror confidently? 

You have a chance to free yourself.  I suggest you take the chance while you can.

Tony Snow can't.

I suggest you re-evaluate what you deem is reality Mr. Noonan.  So far, I don't think you can.  As such, as blind, as pious and egotistical as you can be, maybe this is reality to you.

Poor soul.  You may not really know.

I shall pray for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My divorce from reality is complete?</p>
<p>In your world, G.W. Bush is one of the greatest Presidents of the United States&#8230;ever.  (snicker)</p>
<p>In your world, you believe the war on terror is the kind you win and lose.  (snicker)</p>
<p>In your world, our economy is robust, we&#8217;re a bunch of whiners.  (snicker)</p>
<p>In your world we&#8217;re safer now, then we were 7 years ago.  (snicker)</p>
<p>In your world, drilling for oil now, will affect the price of oil positively.   (snicker)</p>
<p>In your world, even though the dems have given Bush everything he wants,  it&#8217;s still the dems fault for all the problems we have today.  (snicker)</p>
<p>In your world, even though everyone agrees abortion is the last, worst choice for a woman, it&#8217;s still the liberal dems fault a woman makes her own choice with her body.  (snicker)</p>
<p>Mr. Noonan, you really ought to do a soul searching moral inventory.</p>
<p>Bush&#8217;s legacy is what he has earned.  Your legacy is expressed in what you write here, and what is honest and truthful.  Can you look in the mirror confidently? </p>
<p>You have a chance to free yourself.  I suggest you take the chance while you can.</p>
<p>Tony Snow can&#8217;t.</p>
<p>I suggest you re-evaluate what you deem is reality Mr. Noonan.  So far, I don&#8217;t think you can.  As such, as blind, as pious and egotistical as you can be, maybe this is reality to you.</p>
<p>Poor soul.  You may not really know.</p>
<p>I shall pray for you.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Noonan</title>
		<link>http://blogsforvictory.com/2008/07/14/looking-ahead-to-post-war-iraq/#comment-67134</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Noonan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 04:46:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shuuman,

Your divorce from reality is complete.

Congratulations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shuuman,</p>
<p>Your divorce from reality is complete.</p>
<p>Congratulations.</p>
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		<title>By: neocon</title>
		<link>http://blogsforvictory.com/2008/07/14/looking-ahead-to-post-war-iraq/#comment-67104</link>
		<dc:creator>neocon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 00:40:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>42,

I know I have read that same post before. I think it was in 2004? Right?

You knucklehead, you gotta put the bong down and go outside a little more often.

peace, neocon</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>42,</p>
<p>I know I have read that same post before. I think it was in 2004? Right?</p>
<p>You knucklehead, you gotta put the bong down and go outside a little more often.</p>
<p>peace, neocon</p>
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		<title>By: Shuuman</title>
		<link>http://blogsforvictory.com/2008/07/14/looking-ahead-to-post-war-iraq/#comment-67028</link>
		<dc:creator>Shuuman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 16:57:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1. How many cargo ships with containers full of lipstick will you need for this pig Noonan?

2.  I love when you write using "vis a vis".

3.  How many times have we read your tripe: "we're at the invitation of the Iraqi government, when asked to leave, we'll leave".

4. So now we're past the rhetoric, "finding and removing WMD", and "removing a evil guy from power", and "liberating the Iraqi people" (amongst other BS) to:  "scripted for Iraqi benefit vis a vis our alliance with Israel".  (snicker)

So really in a nutshell, Bush is going to leave office with Iraq in a smoking, bombed out, ball of confusion.  

Along the way, the deficit spending used to finance the debacle has left our, and the worlds economies in shambles.

In another nutshell, 

EVERYTHING WE SAID WAS GOING TO HAPPEN, IS HAPPENING.

Advice, get ALOT of lipstick, this is one big pig.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. How many cargo ships with containers full of lipstick will you need for this pig Noonan?</p>
<p>2.  I love when you write using &#8220;vis a vis&#8221;.</p>
<p>3.  How many times have we read your tripe: &#8220;we&#8217;re at the invitation of the Iraqi government, when asked to leave, we&#8217;ll leave&#8221;.</p>
<p>4. So now we&#8217;re past the rhetoric, &#8220;finding and removing WMD&#8221;, and &#8220;removing a evil guy from power&#8221;, and &#8220;liberating the Iraqi people&#8221; (amongst other BS) to:  &#8220;scripted for Iraqi benefit vis a vis our alliance with Israel&#8221;.  (snicker)</p>
<p>So really in a nutshell, Bush is going to leave office with Iraq in a smoking, bombed out, ball of confusion.  </p>
<p>Along the way, the deficit spending used to finance the debacle has left our, and the worlds economies in shambles.</p>
<p>In another nutshell, </p>
<p>EVERYTHING WE SAID WAS GOING TO HAPPEN, IS HAPPENING.</p>
<p>Advice, get ALOT of lipstick, this is one big pig.</p>
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		<title>By: neocon</title>
		<link>http://blogsforvictory.com/2008/07/14/looking-ahead-to-post-war-iraq/#comment-67007</link>
		<dc:creator>neocon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 14:23:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Carlton darling,

Thanks for the laugh combined with confirming my very low opinion of your intellectual capability. 

Re: your ridiculous assertion, wherein has it ever been stated that an Iraqi democracy will emulate ours?

Or is this just another attempt to deflect?

have a hellac day
merci beaucoup
neocon</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carlton darling,</p>
<p>Thanks for the laugh combined with confirming my very low opinion of your intellectual capability. </p>
<p>Re: your ridiculous assertion, wherein has it ever been stated that an Iraqi democracy will emulate ours?</p>
<p>Or is this just another attempt to deflect?</p>
<p>have a hellac day<br />
merci beaucoup<br />
neocon</p>
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		<title>By: Carlton Pryor, Lead Economist, TED-OG</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carlton Pryor, Lead Economist, TED-OG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 14:04:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>2. neocon  &#124;  July 14th, 2008 at 9:03 am

 Iraqi democracy cannot mirror western democracy necon because western democracy is an artifice maintained by economic and military power of elites over the means of production and access to wealth on a playing field goverened by the rules of free market capitalism. 



The Iraqi economy while sitting atop a precious and valuable resource has no such mechanisms to adjust to the style of western democracy in the next fifty years any more than Americans could adjust to Soviet style state five year planning in the same sense. Stop seeking to find political cherries in matters that are best left to those with the expertise to divine geoeconomic matters in regions on Terra that you only regard as meaningful because of their natural resources.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>2. neocon  |  July 14th, 2008 at 9:03 am</p>
<p> Iraqi democracy cannot mirror western democracy necon because western democracy is an artifice maintained by economic and military power of elites over the means of production and access to wealth on a playing field goverened by the rules of free market capitalism. </p>
<p>The Iraqi economy while sitting atop a precious and valuable resource has no such mechanisms to adjust to the style of western democracy in the next fifty years any more than Americans could adjust to Soviet style state five year planning in the same sense. Stop seeking to find political cherries in matters that are best left to those with the expertise to divine geoeconomic matters in regions on Terra that you only regard as meaningful because of their natural resources.</p>
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		<title>By: Tuneup</title>
		<link>http://blogsforvictory.com/2008/07/14/looking-ahead-to-post-war-iraq/#comment-66999</link>
		<dc:creator>Tuneup</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 13:54:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only time something happens to America, is when a Democrat is in office. Like the “Blackhawk down” incident in Somalia…5. Chuckasaurus  &#124;  July 14th, 2008 at 9:19 am

Yeah, I remember all the support you Chuckelheads provided President Clinton (America).  Do a quick google to find out what some in the Repug leadership had to say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only time something happens to America, is when a Democrat is in office. Like the “Blackhawk down” incident in Somalia…5. Chuckasaurus  |  July 14th, 2008 at 9:19 am</p>
<p>Yeah, I remember all the support you Chuckelheads provided President Clinton (America).  Do a quick google to find out what some in the Repug leadership had to say.</p>
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