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• 1. HeyHey  |  July 15th, 2008 at 10:38 am

  Stephen Payne, a longtime Bush associate who was revealed to be selling access to top Bush administration officials in return for contributions to the Bush library, is now under investigation by the Department of Homeland Security (DHS). Payne currently serves on the Homeland Security Advisory Council. A spokesman for DHS called the revelations a “horribly unfortunate story” and said the Department is currently “looking into the facts.”

  House Oversight Committee Chairman Henry Waxman (D-CA) has initiated his own investigation. “If true, this raises serious concerns about the ways in which foreign interests might be secretly influencing large donations to the library,” Waxman wrote in a letter to Payne.

  Additionally, Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW) is urging the Justice Department to begin an “investigation into whether…Payne violated any criminal laws.” Yesterday, CREW explained the legal basis for a criminal investigation of Payne and his relationship with the White House:

  Federal law prohibits public officials from directly or indirectly demanding, seeking, receiving, accepting, or agreeing to receive or accept anything of value in return for being influenced in the performance of an official act. If Mr. Payne was authorized by any member of the Bush administration to trade meetings with top level officials in return for financial contributions to the Bush library, those officials may have violated the bribery statute. Similarly, by offering to serve as a conduit to deliver contributions to the Bush library in exchange for meetings with administration officials, Mr. Payne may have violated federal law.

  While Payne has admitted that his actions could be “perceived to be bribery,” he insists they are legal. Both Payne and the Bush administration deny that he had “top-level access” to the White House. Noting the six-figure sums Payne solicited, CREW executive director, Melanie Sloan said, “He wouldn’t get paid that way if he couldn’t deliver.”

  The public record demonstrates clearly that Payne did, in fact, have “top-level access,” as he has been photographed on several occasions working and relaxing with President Bush, Vice President Cheney, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, and foreign leaders, and has served Bush in a number of capacities on campaigns and in the executive branch. Any “perceptions” of impropriety on the part of Payne and Bush administration officials could be up by giving the public access to the White House visitor logs.

• 2. Magnum Serpentine  |  July 15th, 2008 at 1:52 pm

  The smoking gun

  Time to impeach george.

• 3. Jonathan  |  July 15th, 2008 at 3:18 pm

  So I made this and found it quite funny, and being a Padres fan, quite depressing.

• 4. Snowcap  |  July 15th, 2008 at 6:39 pm

  It is good to know if only we were all multi-millionaires like Phil Gramn, McCain’s economic adviser then we wouldn’t whine as he accused the American people over the weekend, when we fill up our gas tanks, watch as neighbors lose their homes, receive sticker shock inflation at the grocery store, and millions put off even preventative health care because they have no insurance.

  I did turn on the Hannity show today to get some old fashion hate. I was not disappointed. Within 15 seconds he called Obama disingenuous, untrustworthy and a liar. But even Hannity was not willing to go a long with one of his callers accused an Obama election will bring on the anti-Christ. Seriously in the East from 12- to 6 it is Limbaugh and Hannity; six hours of hate. Can’t imagine what this does to the soul.

  Why is Bush pushing for a bailout of the Freddie Mac’s? Is McSame on board with this? It seemed Bush was everywhere today.

• 5. phnx  |  July 15th, 2008 at 7:42 pm

  “House Oversight Committee Chairman Henry Waxman (D-CA) has initiated his own investigation. “If true, this raises serious concerns about the ways in which foreign interests might be secretly influencing large donations to the library,” Hey hey hey

  Do you think Waxman might extend his investigation to sllick Willie’s selling overnight stays in the Lincoln bedroom, or the financing of the Clinton Library and Massage Parlor???

  Maybe he will extend the investigation to the purchase and financing of B.Hussein’s multi million dollar mansion, or Michelle’s appointment to a six figure consulting job after he was elected to the Senate.

  Yeah…I didn’t think so either, it would be too embarassing.

• 6. gotbrains?  |  July 15th, 2008 at 7:44 pm

  Last week, Matt and Mark were all atwitter here at B4V with rapt tales of tons of yellowcake uranium from a cache “discovered” in Iraq:
  http://blogsforvictory.com/2008/07/06/us-removes-550-tons-of-yellowcake-from-iraq/

  Predictably, the M&M show here at B4V snarkily remarked, “peaceful Saddam would never, ever have dreamed of using the stuff for WMD”.

  Reporters from McClatchy news service responded today:

  Last week, the Iraqi government announced that it had sold 550 tons of natural uranium, a stockpile that dated from Saddam Hussein’s regime, to a Canadian company.

  Does this mean Saddam had WMD after all, as at least a few commentators are now maintaining?

  Sigh. Let’s go through this one … more … time.

  These sorts of stories have popped up every now and then over the last few years. Remember the supposed truckloads of WMD that Saddam sent to Syria in the dying days of his regime? Then there was the report that about 300 munitions containing chemical weapons had been found in Iraq since Saddam’s fall from power. Turns out that they dated from the Iran-Iraq war of 1980-88, and had degraded so badly that they were useless.

  Nothing has emerged to change the basic conclusion of U.S. weapons inspector David Kay, who led a post-invasion effort to find WMD in Iraq. As Kay famously said, “It turns out that we were all wrong.”

  No secret weapons caches have emerged. No Iraqi scientists have come forward to speak of advanced weapons programs. None of the trove of regime documents have detailed a WMD effort that posed a near-term threat to the United States and its allies.

  So what of the 550 tons of uranium, which was in a raw form known as yellowcake? Well, the first thought that strikes us here at N&S is that if Saddam had all that raw uranium, why would he have been secretly negotiating to buy the exact same thing from Niger, as forged documents purported? One more reason to suspect the Niger caper from the start, something the U.S. government failed to do.

  Much more importantly, the 550 tons of uranium ore in question wasn’t a secret. It was well-known that Iraq had a stored cache of the stuff at its Tuwaitha nuclear complex. Ever since the end of the 1991 Gulf War, the ore had been under the lock and key of the International Atomic Energy Agency. (Ironically, Tuwaitha was looted after the U.S. invasion, when the Bush administration failed to order American armed forces to secure it).

  More importantly, uranium yellowcake is about as many steps away from a nuclear weapon as a block of marble is from Michelangelo’s statue David.

  http://washingtonbureau.typepad.com/nationalsecurity/

  Now, before the predictable blather gets flung, nobody on the Left ever “trusted” Saddam Hussein (trusting Saddam was more of a Reagan/Rumsfeld thing). This wasn’t a matter of trusting that Saddam wouldn’t use the yellowcake to build a weapon. It’s a matter of physical reality: to enrich uranium ore, you need to do some pretty sophisticated refining, and then put it thru a series of centrifuges to extract the correct isotope, which is an even more technically daunting task. Most importantly, the building of these kinds of centrifuges and reactors can’t be hidden. They require enormous construction efforts, which are easily spotted by satellite, and leave all kinds of trace materials easily detected by inspectors. Any attempts by Saddam to move in that direction (which we now know he curtailed after the first Gulf War) would be apparent long before he got anywhere near to producing a working device. As Saddam found out when the Israelis obliterated his reactor at Osirak, the west can rather easily foil moves in the direction. “Trust” had nothing to do with the effective containment of Saddam.

  Bottom line: Saddam was not even a medium-term - much less imminent - threat.

• 7. phnx  |  July 15th, 2008 at 8:19 pm

  “Saddam was not even a medium-term - much less imminent - threat.” gotbrains? well do ya??

  Naaaahhh! Saddam was just misunderstood, kinda of like Dr. Pepper.

• 8. Snowcap  |  July 15th, 2008 at 8:52 pm

  The Bush/Cheney administration announced their energy policy today. At a news conference Bush said turn down your air conditioner. What a relief I thought the plan was to have Cheney work out a deal with big oil to get at off shore an Alaskan Wildllife Refuge oil drilling by first screwing the American people with high gasoline prices.

• 9. neocon  |  July 15th, 2008 at 8:59 pm

  Nancy Pelosi takes office in January 2007 with promises to lower energy costs with her sensible energy plan. Gas price; $2.77

  After implementing this sensible plan. Gas price; $4.19

  peace, neocon

• 10. Casper  |  July 15th, 2008 at 9:26 pm

  Since this is an open thread, I thought it would be interesting to find out if anyone else has gone anywhere fun this summer. My wife and I went on one of our best vacations ever (this is the first summer in forty years I don’t have a paying job), visiting eight national parks. On our vacation we visited The Arches, Canyonlands, Capital Reef, Zion and Bryce National Parks (all in Utah) on our way to visit my brother-in-law in Vegas. On our way back we visited The Grand Canyon, Mesa Verde, and The Black Canyon of the Gunnison. I can’t say there was a single one that wasn’t awesome.
  Has anyone else done anything fun.

• 11. Jeremiah  |  July 15th, 2008 at 9:26 pm

  http://onenewsnow.com/Politics/Default.aspx?id=179346

  What’s goin on?

  Get ready!! Sumpin’ bad’s comin’!!!

• 12. Magnum Serpentine  |  July 15th, 2008 at 9:44 pm

  Neocon,

  At the beginning of george’s failed presidency, Gas was 1.30 a gallon. Now into the 7th year of failure, gas is 4 bucks a gallon.

  Who is it that demanded a bill be read in full in the house and it took 5 hours to do so? The Obstructionist republics thats who

  Who is it that demanded a vote every 30 seconds?
  The Obstructionist republics thats who.

  Who is it that blocked energy bills and caused our gas to go up? the Obstructionist republics thats who.

  Which party do the citizens want to be in charge of the congress? The Democratic party by a vote of 54 to 34 percent.

  Next

• 13. Magnum Serpentine  |  July 15th, 2008 at 9:47 pm

  Not worried Jeremiah, One news now is a republic news organization.

  next.

• 14. Jeremiah  |  July 15th, 2008 at 9:59 pm

  Not worried Jeremiah, One news now is a republic news organization.

  Magnum Serpentstongue,

  Nah, you don’t have to be worried about One News Now…not at all. They’re good people…they report what our enemies are doing.

• 15. neocon  |  July 15th, 2008 at 10:01 pm

  Mags,

  - Please present the energy bills that did not pass because of obstructionism, and how they would have addressed our dependence on foreign oil.

  - Please explain how reading a bill in full, taking up to five hours, increased our dependence on foreign oil and helped raise gas prices

  - Please explain how voting, ie: holding people accountable, every 30 seconds raised gas prices

  - Please explain how winning popularity polls help lower gas prices.

  I am just not seeing how those talking points lowered enrgy prices. Help me out here.

  gracias
  neocon

• 16. Danish Artist  |  July 15th, 2008 at 10:06 pm

  Magnum Stupidity - talking point lemming,

  Besides the bill which raised cafe standards and ethanol production, which passed by the way, name any other energy bill proposed by the failed Pelosi/Reid regime with 9% approval rating.

  Name ONE, of the many energy bills as you claim or STFU! Remember to give HR or SR numbers!!!

  Why does Pelosi and Reid call new drilling a gimmick when the American people according to polls want it?

  Putz.

• 17. Some Assembly Required  |  July 15th, 2008 at 10:09 pm

  #10. Casper | July 15th, 2008 at 9:26 pm

  I would have to say mine has been fairly interesting so far. Though I have not had the time to travel I have enjoyed taking in a few concerts from Queens of the Stone Age to Bob Dylan. I was really disappointed with Dylan though. He played all electric, even his older songs. Personally I think it’s because his voice is no where near what it used to be. The man is almost a walking anti-drug poster.

  Aside from that just a few DIY projects around the house and a couple of trips to my uncles cabin. The salmon this year are unreal.

  Glad to hear your summer is going well in these trying times. Though I wouldn’t want to foot that gas bill.

• 18. Thrower  |  July 15th, 2008 at 10:57 pm

  What did gas cost you Casper? We’ve stayed close to home this summer but we had an epic trip last summer.

  We started in San Diego and from here went through Arizona, New Mexico, Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas and Nebraska on the way to a reunion in Iowa.

  From there we went north to Minnesota and then went home through South Dakota (Mt. Rushmore), Wyoming, Colorado, Utah and Nevada. We got 44 MPG in our hybrid and then got home just in time to see the witch fire nearly burn us out. It is a great country and we saw friendly people everywhere.

• 19. phnx  |  July 15th, 2008 at 11:21 pm

  “How does drilling for oil prevent the development and use of alternative sources of energy?

  …I see that none of you brilliant leftists has chosen to answer…we’re still waiting…

• 20. Casper  |  July 15th, 2008 at 11:36 pm

  I got about 42 MPG on my trip in our hybrid. Gas ran anywhere from $3.86 to $4.39.

• 21. Fredrick Schwartz  |  July 16th, 2008 at 4:28 am

  5. phnx | July 15th, 2008 at 7:42 pm

  You could have every bit of that phnx if I could have Cheney and Bush, William Kristol, Perle and Addington in the dock at the ICC facing charges of crimes against humanity with the proof from right out of the White House.

  I’d even throw in two terms for McCain/Palin and a set of steak knives.

• 22. Sarah Bloch  |  July 16th, 2008 at 4:44 am

  How is it that no one here has mentioned World Youth Day 2008 in Sydney? This was one of the largest gatherings in history on the continent and it was religion based and not a peep out of Mark Noonan.

  Well more surprises for me also in that Noonan never covered the massive blog war between Bill Donohue and PZ Myers a professor at University of Minnesota Morris. It appears that Bill Donohue was angered when a student at the University of Central Florida in Orlando “stole” a communion host and held it “hostage.”

  Myers on his blog asked someone to send him a host so that he could show that it was merely a baked good. Madness ensues. Death threats, angry e-mails, calls and letters to the UM Morris president asking fro the firing of the noted biologist all followed several posts at the catholic league website by Donohue about the host kerfuffle.

  Just when you think you have seen everything . . .

• 23. Flipper  |  July 16th, 2008 at 7:30 am

  In 1999, McCain was in New Hampshire, campaigning for the GOP nomination as a moderate. He proclaimed himself a pro-life candidate, but told reporters that “in the short term, or even the long term, I would not support repeal of Roe v. Wade.” He explained that overturning Roe would force “women in America to [undergo] illegal and dangerous operations.” Yesterday, campaigning for the GOP nomination as a conservative, McCain said the opposite.

  STEPHANOPOULOS: Let me ask one question about abortion. Then I want to turn to Iraq. You’re for a constitutional amendment banning abortion, with some exceptions for life and rape and incest.

  MCCAIN: Rape, incest and the life of the mother. Yes.

  STEPHANOPOULOS: So is President Bush, yet that hasn’t advanced in the six years he’s been in office. What are you going to do to advance a constitutional amendment that President Bush hasn’t done?

  MCCAIN: I don’t think a constitutional amendment is probably going to take place, but I do believe that it’s very likely or possible that the Supreme Court should — could overturn Roe v. Wade, which would then return these decisions to the states, which I support…. Just as I believe that the issue of gay marriage should be decided by the states, so do I believe that we would be better off by having Roe v. Wade return to the states.

  The old McCain didn’t want an amendment and didn’t want Roe overturned. The new McCain completely disagrees with the old McCain.

  It’s worth noting that politicians’ opinions on abortion can, and often do, “evolve” over time. Dick Gephardt and Al Gore, for example, both opposed abortion rights before eventually becoming pro-choice. With this in mind, McCain’s unexpected shift may simply reflect yet another pol whose thinking has changed over time.

  Or, far more likely, McCain is once again abandoning any pretense of consistency and integrity, and is now willing to say literally anything to win.

  Let’s return, once again, to McCain’s flourishing flip-flop list, which is now a Top 11 list.

  * McCain criticized TV preacher Jerry Falwell as “an agent of intolerance” in 2002, but has since decided to cozy up to the man who said Americans “deserved” the 9/11 attacks. (Indeed, McCain has now hired Falwell’s debate coach.)

  * McCain used to oppose Bush’s tax cuts for the very wealthy, but he reversed course in February.

  * In 2000, McCain accused Texas businessmen Sam and Charles Wyly of being corrupt, spending “dirty money” to help finance Bush’s presidential campaign. McCain not only filed a complaint against the Wylys for allegedly violating campaign finance law, he also lashed out at them publicly. In April, McCain reached out to the Wylys for support.

  * McCain supported a major campaign-finance reform measure that bore his name. In June, he abandoned his own legislation.

  * McCain used to think that Grover Norquist was a crook and a corrupt shill for dictators. Then McCain got serious about running for president and began to reconcile with Norquist.

  * McCain took a firm line in opposition to torture, and then caved to White House demands.

  * McCain gave up on his signature policy issue, campaign-finance reform, and won’t back the same provision he sponsored just a couple of years ago.

  * McCain was against presidential candidates campaigning at Bob Jones University before he was for it.

  * McCain was anti-ethanol. Now he’s pro-ethanol.

  * McCain was both for and against state promotion of the Confederate flag.

  * And now he’s both for and against overturning Roe v. Wade.

  It’s not exactly a newsflash that McCain is veering ridiculously to the right in a rather shameless attempt to reinvent himself, but Dems should take advantage of the situation and help establish the narrative now. Despite his rather embarrassing record of late, we still have major media figures telling the public that “no one would accuse McCain of equivocating on anything.”

  Now is the time to begin characterizing McCain — accurately — as a man with no principle beliefs. Dems should not only criticize McCain’s constantly evolving opinions on nearly everything, they should openly mock him for it now, so that the storyline becomes second nature (like the GOP did with “serial exaggerator” Al Gore).

  The nation is seeing McCain 2.0, and we like the old one better.

• 24. neocon  |  July 16th, 2008 at 9:02 am

  Frederick,

  Thank you for another addition to my archive of insane posts by Frederick. #21 could have been a Freudian slip, but it clearly revealed your incurable BDS, a sympton shared by the uninformed, indoctrinated, naive, dishonest, and the immature.

  The more attacks on McCain that I read from the left, continues to confirm my opinion that you all realize what a flawed candidate Obama is. Unable to tout his virtues, you instread direct your venom towards McCain, much of what you’ve done the last 8 years with Bush. I guess habits are hard to break.

  But it clearly reveals your lack of confidence in Obama, so keep the attackes coming.

  have a partisan day
  peace, neocon

• 25. HeyHey  |  July 16th, 2008 at 9:42 am

  Stephen Payne Update…

  Stephen Payne, a “GOP lobbyist and fundraiser with close ties to the White House has quit a Homeland Security Department advisory committee following allegations of influence peddling and quid pro quo donations to the Bush presidential library,” UPI reports:

  Department spokeswoman Laura Keehner confirmed to United Press International that Stephen Payne was asked to resign. […]

  “The department asked him to step down” from his post on the Secure Borders and Open Doors Subcommittee of the Homeland Security Advisory Council, Keehner said, declining to comment on the reasons.

  [Payne] said he had resigned from the advisory council because “under the current circumstances there will be too many distractions for me to successfully focus on (its) important work.”

  Both DHS and the House Oversight Committee have opened investigations into Payne’s activities. The watchdog group CREW is urging the Justice Department to open a criminal investigation into Payne and his relationship with the Bush administration.
  The Austin American-Statesman reports that Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchinson’s relationship with Payne is raising some ethics issues. Payne may have drafted an op-ed in 2005 that was published in Hutchinson’s name which helped promote his clients in Azerbaijan:

  What also remains murky is Payne’s role in a 2005 opinion piece that Hutchison authored for the Fort Worth Star-Telegram. It was headlined “Azerbaijan: Opportunity for America,” and in it Hutchison writes that the country “holds great promise” as an oil source in the wake of Hurricanes Katrina and Rita.

  Payne brags in materials for his business that he “developed” a series of op-eds promoting the country, including one by Hutchison.

  Hutchison’s current staff contends that it does not know the precise origins of the column she wrote promoting Azerbaijan, although her spokesman says she was heavily involved. Chris Paulitz, her communications director at the time, declined to comment today on Payne’s role in writing the piece.

• 26. Plantation Owner  |  July 16th, 2008 at 10:24 am

  Ah….the most ethical congress.

  WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Rep. Charles Rangel, the chairman of the powerful U.S. House Ways and Means Committee, is soliciting donations from corporations with business before his panel for an academic center that will bear his name, The Washington Post reported on Tuesday.

  Rangel, a New York Democrat, has written letters on congressional stationery and has sought meetings to ask for corporate and foundation donations for the facility planned for the City College of New York, the report said.

  Ethics experts and government watchdogs say it is troubling that one of the most powerful lawmakers in the United States would seek money from businesses that have interests before the committee he leads, the article said.

  The House Ways and Means panel has responsibility over legislation relating to tax policy, trade, Social Security and Medicare.

  Rangel told the Post he would seek money for the project even if it did not bear his name because he believes in its mission of promoting racial diversity in public administration leadership.

  He also said congressional business never comes up with potential donors, the Post reported.

  Yeah, right!

  Move over Payne you are going to have some “ethical” liberal company.
  —-

  Today on Good Morning America, three experts and their solutions for the economy, hgiher food and gas/oil prices.

  ALL OF THEM GO AGAINST Barak Hussein Obama’s solutions!! — Lower taxes, tax cuts permanent, Ethanol mandates GONE, strong defense for national security and confidence, banks making sound loans and mortgages (goes against loans in the name of fairness regardless whether or not the party can pay), more natural gas for heating instead of fuel oil (more drilling), etc. etc.

  Bad news for Barak Hussein Obama - sounds like more “refining” in his campaign is going to take place.

  Let the mad scramble begin.

• 27. Tractatus  |  July 16th, 2008 at 11:35 am

  you all realize what a flawed candidate Obama is. Unable to tout his virtues, you instread direct your venom towards McCain

  Sort of like how this pro-Republican blog would much rather talk about Democrats than Republicans?

  Right.

  Try again, neocon. No, really, try again–it’s always funny when you project like that, and I enjoy the laughs that you so unwittingly provide.

• 28. Plantation Owner  |  July 16th, 2008 at 12:10 pm

  Barak Hussein Obama said that the New Yorker picture is offensive to all Muslims.

  But, I thought that Barak Hussein Obama was not a Muslim. Having him depicted in the garb does not make him one (just like the tribal garb he was shown in the early stages of the campaign). How could he equate a satire of himself to Muslims?

  Also, I would be offended as a Muslim if I were equated to Barak Hussein Obama. Maybe the US Muslim population is offended being equated to Barak Hussein Obama - why is Barak Hussein Obama steering clear of Michigan’s Muslim population???

  Is that like locking your car door when a black man walks past at a stop light?

• 29. phnx  |  July 16th, 2008 at 2:30 pm

  B.Hussein and Michelle are angry over the New Yorker’s satirical depiction of the two on the front cover of the latest issue. And here we thought that only radical muslims were angered by satirical catoons. Hhhhhmmm.

• 30. phnx  |  July 16th, 2008 at 2:43 pm

  Freddie Schwartz shows himself to be a howling moonbat once again. seems that before HE WILL ALLOW oil and alternative energy to be developed simultaneously, President Bush and company must undergoe some sort of leftists kangaroo court for trials against humanity. Thanks once again Freddie, now back to your padded cell before the guards find you playing with the computer.

  In the meantime, none of you semi sane leftists have chosen to answer why oil and alternative sources of energy can not be developed simultaneoulsy.

• 31. Horseshoe  |  July 16th, 2008 at 3:12 pm

  Please present the energy bills that did not pass because of obstructionism15. neocon | July 15th, 2008 at 10:01 pm

  I believe the Dick Cheney Energy bill signed into law by Bush in 2005 that got things rolling. Got to get rid of the cons and their lazzie fare approach to business.

• 32. neocon  |  July 16th, 2008 at 7:40 pm

  Tractatus,

  Thank you for proving my point.

  Horseshoe,

  That conversation re: energy bills was directed towards Pelosi’s sensible energy plan to lower gas prices that she initiated in 2007. But I guess asking you to comment on that would be equivalent to asking my grandson to comment on quantum physics.

  So are you 42, USA, or John Ryan?
  merci beaucoup
  neocon

• 33. neocon  |  July 16th, 2008 at 7:49 pm

  I think the comment below re: child sex offenders clearly demonstrates how dangerous and naive liberal thought is.

  The question that always comes up when you have these community hearings where law enforcement gather the neighbors and they say “look, we just wanna let you know that there’s a sex offender moving in so that you can keep an eye on your children and stay safe.” The neighbors say “why, why is he moving into my neighborhood.?” But they’ve served their time, they’ve done their, they’ve done the punishment so don’t they deserve a chance to come out and try to live a good life? - CONTESSA BREWER MSNBC

• 34. Tractatus  |  July 16th, 2008 at 9:48 pm

  Thank you for proving my point.

  Your point was that you’re a hypocrite? Interesting….

• 35. Agitation  |  July 17th, 2008 at 7:01 am

  Obama Vs. Putin…….
  Wake Up! Wake Up! . Sorry to frighten you so, but this nightmare has not happened yet…..Just remember, Smokey The Ballot Box says “Only you can prevent an Obama Nightmare.”

• 36. Fredrick Schwartz  |  July 17th, 2008 at 7:29 am

  33. neocon | July 16th, 2008 at 7:49 pm

  Then it is your job neocon to get enough signatures in your state declaring these people mentally unfit to be with the rest of society. Get that referendum passed and the whole thing goes away. I get a little weary of retards like yourself popping off about things you can fix but you want everyone else to do something about. Take some of that wealth and smarts you are always going on about and do some shit to help your community.

  Have an activist kinda day,
  Shadow

• 37. neocon  |  July 17th, 2008 at 8:28 pm

  Frederick darling,

  I sense a little hostility.

  There are distance restrictions already in place in terms of schools, parks, etc. However that doesn’t preclude a neighborhood for wanting to protect their children and lives.

  Why are you not concerned about the innocent people?

  And is shadow your alter ego? Kind of like on Dark Shadows?

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