Let me explain it again. I’ll type more slowly this time. Trying moving your lips as you read - I’ve observed others of your intellectual strata doing that; it may improve comprehension.

I was challenging the assertion that the surge “worked”. It may be “working” but it hasn’t “worked”. If it worked, the stability that was the objective of the surge would exist, and we wouldn’t be talking about keeping 100K+ troops there.

The stability doesn’t exist. It may be better, but as Little Tim points out, that’s equally explainable by the “religious cleansing” of Bagdad neighborhoods, and co-opting insurgents into US-paid “security forces”.

It’s like Obama said in his speech Tuesday; the prevailing Republican logic is circular. Everything is an excuse to keep troops there. First, troop levels must be maintained because things are so bad. Now, troop levels must be maintained because things are so good.

And before I go, I’ve failed to see *any* of you attack McCain for his heresy. In Noonan’s original post, McCain attacks Bush’s strategy. I quote McCain

…to reverse the disaster our previous strategy had caused….

Why ain’t you guys attacking this liberal treason?

Hence your crap comment. It’s ok to acknowledge things that we don’t understand. This would be one for you.

have a hellac day
and scrapple on
neocon

Thank you for finally admitting your source and quote were complete crap. You grabbed the quote and didn’t bother to check it, I understand. I know it takes alot coming from you.

peace and have a nice day.

InDaVa

At one time Obama and McCain were on the same page when it came to Iraq and Afghanistan.
Obama never changed his opinion, but McCain did.
And recent events in Afghanistan show that Obama was right all along. Why did McCain change his tune?

See the transcript below.

RUSSERT: Would you have any problem expanding President Bush’s orders to the CIA to go after Osama bin Laden to include Saddam Hussein?

LIEBERMAN: Well, I leave that to the president. But as a matter of principle and morality, of course not.

RUSSERT: Senator McCain?

MCCAIN: I think Joe’s right.

And I would just like to add one additional point. I believe that we will succeed. We will endure in Afghanistan. We will take out bin Laden, and we will take out the Taliban. And then we’ve got a major challenge of a stable government, but…

RUSSERT: How long will that take?

MCCAIN: I think the longer we give the impression that we’re there for, the shorter it’ll be. Because, as you quoted from articles earlier, they think they can outlast us. I don’t think they can this time.

RUSSERT: Do you believe the American people will continue to stay with that campaign?

MCCAIN: Absolutely, and I think the president is doing a great job in leading America and making us aware of the challenge we face.

But I think the real crunch is going to come after Afghanistan is settled and then we have to address the other countries, including Iraq. That’s where the coalition may not be so strong. That’s where people like the Saudis and the French and many others may have real reservations.

And so, we’re going to have to be steadfast. And again, the president will continue and, I think, very eloquently stated, countries that harbor these terrorist organizations will be held responsible, so it’ll be their choice, not ours. It’ll be their choice.

RUSSERT: But after Afghanistan, you’d have no problem going after Saddam Hussein?

We now know what part of your anatomy is little.

de nada
neocon

Obama proved right yet again.

Old Man Grumpy McSame needs to take his senile PTSD ass to the nearest retirement village.