>>>As a young African-American voter who wouldn’t vote for John McCain, I do commend him for at least making an attempt to talk and listen to the black community.>>>

Of course NOT.
from the people who thought OJ was innocent and CHEERED when acquitted what else is new?
vote for the black guy no matter how bad he is or will be….remember marion berry?.

The inner city is what is is by your peoples own undoings…keep up the great work>

nhak, the pathology among young blacks that becoming educated “is not cool” has been widely reported for a number or years. Bill Cosby has railed on about it for some time. Just Google “anti-education pathology among black youth”, and you’ll see what I mean. The fact that you seem to be unaware of this leads me to believe that you are either an uneducated black youth in total denial or you just don’t get out much. Since you write pretty articulately, I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt that it’s the latter. As for the “free stuff”, well, if you aren’t aware of all the welfare, set-asides and quotas aimed at the Black community that grew out of the Great Society and War on Poverty , then I guess you’re just hopelessly dense and out of touch.

“I don’t have time to go research a full list of politicians at the NATIONAL level . . .”–Retired Spook.

That right there earns you a STFU Award from Uncle Fred.

You see RS, I do have time to that kind of thing because it’s those kinds of details that people depend on both in the right and left to skew the opinions of undecided voters and reinforce concepts in the minds of those on their side. Liberals and Conservatives alike do this.

The whole two black families in your neighborhood is a bushel of hokum. You told a nice story but what you didn’t tell me is what conservative state legislatures in the South did for blacks in the first generation after the Civil Rights Act was passed. How many prisons got built in the South? How many of those corporations that OWN prisons where minors are housed with adults are run by the sons and grandsons of conservatives from the Good Ole Days?

The point of my comment about Southern Democrats and Liberals is the whole cognitive point of this argument. You guys are conservatives, status quo socially, powerful military, small government low taxes, Christian values in public whatever gets you over in private. These are the same things that Southern Democrats held onto in the 40s 50s and 60s and only in the 70s did republicans start to run on these ideals in the South.

The point is RS the people here who call themselves conservatives would not have been supporting Martin Luther King on the marches. Those people many of whom were Republicans were social Liberals. All those people who called themselves conservatives either stayed at home or went out and helped Bull Connor or George Wallace or Orval Faubus. The values of the white South in those days are the VERY SAME VALUES YOU HOLD DEAR NOW CHURCH, MILITARY, FLAG, PATRIOTISM ALL AS STRAW MEN FOR RACE, PRIVILEGE AND HATRED OF LIBERAL IDEAS, SCIENCE AND EQUALITY.

nhak, you totally misunderstood my comments, even though you noted that I “admitted - not actually doing anything”. Then you continue, “that they actually care about African-Americans more than Democrats and that they can provide a better future for them, yet African-Americans obviously have not bought into this argument either. Why not?”

I never said that Republicans care about African-Americans more than Democrats. It’s pretty obvious that the GOP doesn’t care about the votes of African-Americans enough to figure out how to appeal to them. It’s a real enigma. In polls, Blacks overwhelmingly favor school choice, and yet they vote overwhelmingly for the party that has fought school choice tooth and nail. Beyond that, every other GOP initiative to appeal to Black voters has been weak and short-lived.

Until the black community overcomes the pathology that becoming educated is not cool, they are going to continue to vote for the politicians that give them the most free stuff. Republicans may decide, at some point, to play that game, but I don’t see it happening any time soon.

What’s going to be interesting to see is if anything changes dramatically if Obama is elected.

You’ve got a worldview entirely at odds with the facts…

See? Classic. You can’t even admit to Helms’ well-known racism–even after it was presented to you very plainly in the thread about him–you continue to pretend he didn’t say the things he said, and in pretending it didn’t exist, you certainly aren’t repudiating it. You embrace a horrendous racist as a standard-bearer of your party and attempt to whitewash (pun intended) the ugliness of his racial views. And then you complain that black people don’t vote Republican.

You honestly don’t understand any of this? I think that you do, actually…you’ve just come up with these lines to make you feel better about your rather weak position.

You need to grow a thicker skin, Sarah. I don’t deny that my comment may be an insult to some such as you, but what should offend you is not what I said or how I said it, but the fact that it’s true. Just as an aside, in the early 70’s, when I was released from active duty in the Navy, my wife and I moved back to Indiana and bought our first house in an integrated neighborhood between two black households; both of whom became friends. The lady on one side was the widow of a successful insurance agent and was reasonably well off. The guy on the other side of us worked 2 jobs to be able to afford to escape the inner city and live in a nice neighborhood. What is truly an insult is the way the Democrat Party has exploited and destroyed the black family since that time.

Impressive list, Fredrick — all state legislators and all well after the passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. About the only notable Democrat from the historic 1964 Senate vote who switched was Strom Thurmond. I don’t have time to go research a full list of politicians at the NATIONAL level, but just in the Senate, and off the top of my head, William Fullbright, John Stennis, Earnest Hollings, Al Gore Sr., Robert Byrd, and Richard Russel, as well as President and former Senator, Lyndon Johnson all remained Democrats till the day they died.

BTW, if you go back and read my posts, I never said anything about any of the Southern Democrats being Liberals. I suspect it’s you who’s drunk too much cool-aid.

Morriss W Elliss GA legislature 1970
Herb Jones GA legislature 1970
Francis Doyle TN legislature 1970
Doy Daniels Jr TN legislature 1972
Aaron Lambert MS legislature 1975
John mamloy FL legislature 1975
Geo Williamson GA legislature 1978
Bert Booth MD legislature 1978
Neal Small TN legislature 1978

That entire comment is an insult to not only the black race but the entire Human Race.

Southern Democrats are members of the U.S. Democratic Party who reside in the U.S. South. In the early 1800s, they were the definitive pro-slavery wing of the party, opposed to both the anti-slavery, Republicans (GOP) and the more liberal Northern Democrats. After the loss of their territory in the American Civil War and the Republican-led Reconstruction which followed, Southern Democrats regrouped into various vigilante organizations such as the Ku Klux Klan and the White League; eventually “Redemption” was finalized in the Compromise of 1877 and the ensuing institutionalization of Redeemers throughout the South. As the New Deal began to liberalize Democrats as a whole, Southern Democrats largely stayed as conservative as they had always been, with some even breaking off to form farther right-wing splinters like the Dixiecrats. After the civil rights movement successfully challenged Jim Crow and other forms of institutionalized racism, and Democrats as a whole became the symbol of the mainstream left of the United States, the form, if not the content, of Southern Democratic politics began to change. Most Southern Democrats defected to the Republican Party at that point and helped accelerate the latter’s transformation into more progressive party Republican organization.

–Source: Wikipedia