Sort of like bringing gas prices down from those 2006 amounts of $2.50/gal with a ‘comprehensive energy plan’.

We’ve defined success again and again and again…you just don’t like success in Iraq, so you say we haven’t defined it.

And, no, I won’t define it again - some months back I defined it for the very last time here on this blog. Look it up.

So you don’t listen to yourself or your fellow wingnuts, then? Good to know.

And still, no one has defined success in Iraq and no one who talks about success has any idea about what to do next. While they propose that this was all about democracy. At the moment that anyone like Al Maliki tries to exercise it the chorus of “you owe us” and “we’ll leave when we are good and ready” betrays the real motives here.

I consider all polls to be essentially worthless, but our resident liberals consider them to be gospel (oops, maybe a bad choice of words), especially if those polls support their position.

So I thought I would throw this poll out to see what responses I received. You did not disappoint.

Thanks
neocon

P.S. And re: your “simplification” of the surge. I really tend not to listen to people on current events who have been proven wrong on all past events.

And if you’re suggesting that our military was just an unexpected benficiary of other events that turned the tide in Iraq, then you are definitely drinking the kool aid.

bottoms up
peace, neocon

Interesting question: What would the conservatives on this site advocate if the Iraqis asked us to leave by 2010 (regardless of the situation on the ground)?

Neocon, if there was anything that Ron Paul taught us, it’s that internet polls are essentially worthless, because some people have nothing better to do than spam polls with votes for their candidate. For example, I voted once, cleared my cookies, and voted again… In fact, any self-respecting statistician (I assume they exist) would laugh if you tried to use that poll as evidence for an argument.

I like McCains chances really well.

Posted on Sunday, July 13, 2008 3:29:41 PM by jveritas

In the ongoing AOL straw poll McCain is winning 50 states and 64% of the popular vote. Almost 200,000 people have voted so far.

Here is the link:

http://news.aol.com/political-machine/2008/07/07/aol-straw-poll-july-7-14

In addition I will say only that your opinion is duly noted, but it is just that, an opinion. And you know what they say about opinions.

And current events just don’t support your worldview. Granted, the post war startegy was woefully deficient, but the surge and diplomacy have turned things around rather nicely. So for you to continue to trump a 4 year old liberal meme is just irrelevant and quite frankly embarrasing.

have a nice day
peace, neocon

I and others advocated concerted and forceful international action to bring these extremists under control long before you or Noonan ever cared about them. Those with a background in Middle Eastern affairs knew it would take international action.

Bush came along with neither a clue about the enemies of civilization or the limitations of his own ignorance, and even less the limitations of military power disconnected from diplomacy. After 9/11 he had a chance to outdo his daddy in war. He got Saddam and good riddance - but in so doing unleashed forces he was completely unprepared to deal with. He opened Pandora’s box and every other damnable thing flew out. Some of us saw these things coming - we wanted the actions taken to be mindful and effective, not wantonly destructive, as they have been.

The Bush administration has epitomized the concept of moral relativism to a degree unprecedented by any other American presidency. As for the chest thumping right-wing chauvinists here, I don’t think they even understand the definition of the term.

As for Fareed Zakaria of Newsweek, he was an advocate of the Iraq war from the start. I have taken his opinions with a chunk of salt ever since. However much all the opponents of Bush’s war have been proven correct it is consistently the original supporters of it whose stars have risen, and Zakaria is no exception. So I fail to see why you should have a problem with his credibility.