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	<title>Comments on: Obama Gives A F.U. To American Troops</title>
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	<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 00:27:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Faceplant</title>
		<link>http://blogsforvictory.com/2008/07/24/obama-gives-a-fu-to-american-troops/#comment-69462</link>
		<dc:creator>Faceplant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 11:09:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Faceplant, ah yes. The very non-political Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America. Founded by a man who speaks of revulsion for the President and who worked on John Kerry’s campaign staff. An organization heavily staffed by non veterans who overwhelmingly attended very liberal colleges. - Yep, good source."

Every single one of the five founding members servied in the US Military.   So did their Veterans Membership Associate, their Director of Gov't Affairs, and their Policy Associate.

As opposed to the AEI, who the vast majority of fellows, and scholars have NEVER served in the military.   But you take their word as gospel.

Of course nobody claimed that the IAVA wasn't biased.   Of course they are biased.   They support those that ACTUALLY support the troops.   Not just with words, but with their votes.   It isn't the IAVA's fualt that Republicans routinely vote against veterans benefits bills.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Faceplant, ah yes. The very non-political Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America. Founded by a man who speaks of revulsion for the President and who worked on John Kerry’s campaign staff. An organization heavily staffed by non veterans who overwhelmingly attended very liberal colleges. - Yep, good source.&#8221;</p>
<p>Every single one of the five founding members servied in the US Military.   So did their Veterans Membership Associate, their Director of Gov&#8217;t Affairs, and their Policy Associate.</p>
<p>As opposed to the AEI, who the vast majority of fellows, and scholars have NEVER served in the military.   But you take their word as gospel.</p>
<p>Of course nobody claimed that the IAVA wasn&#8217;t biased.   Of course they are biased.   They support those that ACTUALLY support the troops.   Not just with words, but with their votes.   It isn&#8217;t the IAVA&#8217;s fualt that Republicans routinely vote against veterans benefits bills.</p>
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		<title>By: phnx</title>
		<link>http://blogsforvictory.com/2008/07/24/obama-gives-a-fu-to-american-troops/#comment-69251</link>
		<dc:creator>phnx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2008 12:06:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to clear the air from all of the leftist BS:


"Sen. Obama is welcome to visit Landstuhl or any military hospital in his official capacity as a United States senator," Morrell said in a brief interview.  "But there is a DOD policy which governs campaigning and electioneering at military facilities that would have to be respected if he were to visit. That distinction was relayed and made clear to campaign, and they made a decision on their own based on that guidance."

Morrell, in a subsequent interview, added that military officials told Obama he could only visit the military facility with his Secret Service detail and Senate staff.

"We made it clear to him that campaign staff and press would not be permitted to accompany him," Morrell said of Obama.  "We relayed those ground rules. They made a choice based upon the information we relayed to them.  It was their choice. We had nothing to do with it."

Bottom line, if it can't be a photo op for campaign purposes then its not worth it. So much for Obama's support for the troops.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to clear the air from all of the leftist BS:</p>
<p>&#8220;Sen. Obama is welcome to visit Landstuhl or any military hospital in his official capacity as a United States senator,&#8221; Morrell said in a brief interview.  &#8220;But there is a DOD policy which governs campaigning and electioneering at military facilities that would have to be respected if he were to visit. That distinction was relayed and made clear to campaign, and they made a decision on their own based on that guidance.&#8221;</p>
<p>Morrell, in a subsequent interview, added that military officials told Obama he could only visit the military facility with his Secret Service detail and Senate staff.</p>
<p>&#8220;We made it clear to him that campaign staff and press would not be permitted to accompany him,&#8221; Morrell said of Obama.  &#8220;We relayed those ground rules. They made a choice based upon the information we relayed to them.  It was their choice. We had nothing to do with it.&#8221;</p>
<p>Bottom line, if it can&#8217;t be a photo op for campaign purposes then its not worth it. So much for Obama&#8217;s support for the troops.</p>
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		<title>By: phnx</title>
		<link>http://blogsforvictory.com/2008/07/24/obama-gives-a-fu-to-american-troops/#comment-69245</link>
		<dc:creator>phnx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2008 11:59:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to clear the air from all of the leftist BS:


"Sen. Obama is welcome to visit Landstuhl or any military hospital in his official capacity as a United States senator," Morrell said in a brief interview.  "But there is a DOD policy which governs campaigning and electioneering at military facilities that would have to be respected if he were to visit. That distinction was relayed and made clear to campaign, and they made a decision on their own based on that guidance."

Morrell, in a subsequent interview, added that military officials told Obama he could only visit the military facility with his Secret Service detail and Senate staff.

"We made it clear to him that campaign staff and press would not be permitted to accompany him," Morrell said of Obama.  "We relayed those ground rules. They made a choice based upon the information we relayed to them.  It was their choice. We had nothing to do with it."

Bottom line, if it can't be a photo op for campaign purposes then its not worth it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to clear the air from all of the leftist BS:</p>
<p>&#8220;Sen. Obama is welcome to visit Landstuhl or any military hospital in his official capacity as a United States senator,&#8221; Morrell said in a brief interview.  &#8220;But there is a DOD policy which governs campaigning and electioneering at military facilities that would have to be respected if he were to visit. That distinction was relayed and made clear to campaign, and they made a decision on their own based on that guidance.&#8221;</p>
<p>Morrell, in a subsequent interview, added that military officials told Obama he could only visit the military facility with his Secret Service detail and Senate staff.</p>
<p>&#8220;We made it clear to him that campaign staff and press would not be permitted to accompany him,&#8221; Morrell said of Obama.  &#8220;We relayed those ground rules. They made a choice based upon the information we relayed to them.  It was their choice. We had nothing to do with it.&#8221;</p>
<p>Bottom line, if it can&#8217;t be a photo op for campaign purposes then its not worth it.</p>
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		<title>By: Kahn</title>
		<link>http://blogsforvictory.com/2008/07/24/obama-gives-a-fu-to-american-troops/#comment-69228</link>
		<dc:creator>Kahn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2008 06:38:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thats not what my contacts in the Pentagon say.

Is calling the troops liars supporting them now?

Faceplant, ah yes. The very non-political Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America. Founded by a man who speaks of  revulsion for the President and who worked on John Kerry's campaign staff. An organization heavily staffed by non veterans who overwhelmingly attended very liberal colleges. - Yep, good source.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thats not what my contacts in the Pentagon say.</p>
<p>Is calling the troops liars supporting them now?</p>
<p>Faceplant, ah yes. The very non-political Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America. Founded by a man who speaks of  revulsion for the President and who worked on John Kerry&#8217;s campaign staff. An organization heavily staffed by non veterans who overwhelmingly attended very liberal colleges. - Yep, good source.</p>
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		<title>By: Tractatus</title>
		<link>http://blogsforvictory.com/2008/07/24/obama-gives-a-fu-to-american-troops/#comment-69130</link>
		<dc:creator>Tractatus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 19:52:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Politico is reporting that it was the Pentagon that put the kibosh on the trip. Saying it would be viewed (with or without the media) as a campaign stop.&lt;/i&gt;

Shhhh! Stop ruining everything with the facts. Can't you see that nonfactual talking points are all these wingnuts have left?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Politico is reporting that it was the Pentagon that put the kibosh on the trip. Saying it would be viewed (with or without the media) as a campaign stop.</i></p>
<p>Shhhh! Stop ruining everything with the facts. Can&#8217;t you see that nonfactual talking points are all these wingnuts have left?</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah Bloch</title>
		<link>http://blogsforvictory.com/2008/07/24/obama-gives-a-fu-to-american-troops/#comment-69101</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah Bloch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 16:22:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: slaw</title>
		<link>http://blogsforvictory.com/2008/07/24/obama-gives-a-fu-to-american-troops/#comment-69091</link>
		<dc:creator>slaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 16:02:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Politico is reporting that it was the Pentagon that put the kibosh on the trip.  Saying it would be viewed (with or without the media) as a campaign stop.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Politico is reporting that it was the Pentagon that put the kibosh on the trip.  Saying it would be viewed (with or without the media) as a campaign stop.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave in Atlanta</title>
		<link>http://blogsforvictory.com/2008/07/24/obama-gives-a-fu-to-american-troops/#comment-69090</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave in Atlanta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 15:53:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a non-issue.  If Obama *had* visited the hospital, the Right would be blasting him for pandering.

Obama senior adviser Robert Gibbs is on record as saying "...The senator decided out of respect for these servicemen and women that it would be inappropriate to make a stop to visit troops at a U.S. military facility as part of a trip funded by the campaign" per the Pentagon's "longstanding Defense Department policy that prohibits military personnel or facilities from association with partisan political campaigns and elections".

If he'd gone ahead with the visit, he'd have been criticized.  Now that he's not, in keeping with what he sees as a sense of propriety, he's criticized.

This is a non-issue... just old-fashioned attack politics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a non-issue.  If Obama *had* visited the hospital, the Right would be blasting him for pandering.</p>
<p>Obama senior adviser Robert Gibbs is on record as saying &#8220;&#8230;The senator decided out of respect for these servicemen and women that it would be inappropriate to make a stop to visit troops at a U.S. military facility as part of a trip funded by the campaign&#8221; per the Pentagon&#8217;s &#8220;longstanding Defense Department policy that prohibits military personnel or facilities from association with partisan political campaigns and elections&#8221;.</p>
<p>If he&#8217;d gone ahead with the visit, he&#8217;d have been criticized.  Now that he&#8217;s not, in keeping with what he sees as a sense of propriety, he&#8217;s criticized.</p>
<p>This is a non-issue&#8230; just old-fashioned attack politics.</p>
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		<title>By: HeyHey</title>
		<link>http://blogsforvictory.com/2008/07/24/obama-gives-a-fu-to-american-troops/#comment-69084</link>
		<dc:creator>HeyHey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 14:38:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama is going to clean Grandpa's clock in the debates.

Webb GI Bill - Both Bush and McCain were against the bill initially then they changed their tune saying they were for it all along.

The McCain's so called town hall meeting are being stacked with people who are given pre approved questions. They are a sham.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama is going to clean Grandpa&#8217;s clock in the debates.</p>
<p>Webb GI Bill - Both Bush and McCain were against the bill initially then they changed their tune saying they were for it all along.</p>
<p>The McCain&#8217;s so called town hall meeting are being stacked with people who are given pre approved questions. They are a sham.</p>
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		<title>By: neocon</title>
		<link>http://blogsforvictory.com/2008/07/24/obama-gives-a-fu-to-american-troops/#comment-69070</link>
		<dc:creator>neocon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 13:09:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I uh..........also......um.....uh......can't wait.....uh......for the....uh....first debate.

&lt;i&gt;Without a teleprompter, McCain will wipe the floor with Obama, that's why Obama is staying away from him. Also, Obama evidently has a question limit:

SAN ANTONIO, Tex. - An exasperated Barack Obama scurried away Monday from the toughest news conference of his campaign, telling reporters who kept shouting questions that he'd spent enough time on the grill.

"Come on! I just answered, like, eight questions," Obama, looking surprised, told shouting reporters as he fled the room. "We're running late."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I uh&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.also&#8230;&#8230;um&#8230;..uh&#8230;&#8230;can&#8217;t wait&#8230;..uh&#8230;&#8230;for the&#8230;.uh&#8230;.first debate.</p>
<p><i>Without a teleprompter, McCain will wipe the floor with Obama, that&#8217;s why Obama is staying away from him. Also, Obama evidently has a question limit:</p>
<p>SAN ANTONIO, Tex. - An exasperated Barack Obama scurried away Monday from the toughest news conference of his campaign, telling reporters who kept shouting questions that he&#8217;d spent enough time on the grill.</p>
<p>&#8220;Come on! I just answered, like, eight questions,&#8221; Obama, looking surprised, told shouting reporters as he fled the room. &#8220;We&#8217;re running late.&#8221;</i></p>
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