18 Comments

• 1. congressive  |  August 22nd, 2008 at 3:33 am

  Ok, this is quite a “love fest” blog post for Muslims, but somehow, Obama’s “secret Muslim” life, fake though it may be, is evil.

  But you just CAN’T refrain from mentioning Iraq and 9-11 in the same breath, can you. Can’t blame you though, since it was Cheney who said the Iraq war struck at the geographic heart of those who attacked us on 9-11, even though that’s a lie, he knew it, you know it, everyone knew it, but like weekly-heart-attack-Darth Cheney, it just won’t die.

  The logic behind this PR report escapes me, though. There are insurgents in Iraq while Afghanistan is a Taliban/al Qaeda battleground, but this report says the insurgents are in Afghanistan. Confusion over these kinds of details seem most prevalent when discussing the Iraq/Pakistan border region.

• 2. Danish Artist  |  August 22nd, 2008 at 6:40 am

  conregressive,

  It is you who are confused. When did Cheney say that and in what context? Don’t you remember the lib talking points. Al Qaeda was in Iraq, not because of a 9/11 relationship but because the area that they fled to after leaving Afghanistan was protected and cut-off by the no fly zone. Hussein did not have control over that region so it was easy for Al Qaeda to settle there. That’s is essentially what you libs regurgitated before the Iraq war in answer to Al Qaeda is in Iraq claim.

  Al Qaeda was/is world-wide except Iraq???

  If you believe that despite all the evidence to the contrary that Al Qaeda was not helping the insurgents then you are a fool. Where was Al Zarqawi? Why was he there?

  Your ever changing talking points just make it so hard to keep track of the daily of what was said before. Pathetic.

• 3. James Linkin  |  August 22nd, 2008 at 7:12 am

  Back on that day the Towers crumbled, who thought that we’d still be fighting the Taliban in 2008?

  Obama was correct. Bush diversion into Iraq allowed the organization that was responsible for 9/11 to thrive and prosper. They should have been defeated by the end of 2002.

• 4. Kahn  |  August 22nd, 2008 at 8:01 am

  James, they are hardly “thriving”. Just about every time they emgage us, they die by the scores. They are isolated in some very hard to reach areas. It makes them hard to reach, but it also makes it hard for them to project power very far.

  It is difficult to completely stamp out a guerrilla force. Patience is key. And sadly, the MTV generation doesn’t get that.

• 5. Kahn  |  August 22nd, 2008 at 8:06 am

  Oh, one other thing.

  If you were a Marine (BIG, BIG stretch for you leftists, I know) operating in Afghanistan, would you take prisoners? If you were up there right now and knew how the prisoners you took would be treated like criminals, would you capture them?

  Would you gather up the spent shell casings? Take fingerprints? Pictures of the crime scene? Interview witnesses and seek affidavits?

  Or……. would all the insurgents die gloriusly in battle? What a pity.

  That’s what we call “unintended consequences”.

• 6. SEW  |  August 22nd, 2008 at 9:19 am

  “But you just CAN’T refrain from mentioning Iraq and 9-11 in the same breath, can you.”
  congressive

  Who mentioned 9/11? congressive and the new lib on the board. And who mentioned Obama, or his “secret Muslim” life? congressive

  The BDS deranged can’t get away from the Kool Aid. Take the tinfoil hat off!

• 7. Kahn  |  August 22nd, 2008 at 1:47 pm

  SEW, NO! It would be worse if they off the foil hats. They’d hear even MORE voices?

  It IS funny. 1. Say something stupid. 2. Claim WE said it. 3. Deride us for saying it.

  You think they even realise they’re doing it?

• 8. jayhay  |  August 22nd, 2008 at 2:22 pm

  Oh Lord… The criteria and definitions do change around here on a daily basis. And gotta agree with the post above, you guys love you some muslims unless acting like they’re Satan serves your political purposes. It’s like McC phoning in his “elitist” ads about Obama from one of his mansions - get your stories straight. (And his $270,000 yearly tab for household help is next - better hope that’s all above board…)

  Thing is, these “alliances” in Afghanistan & Iraq are temporary - effective as long as they work for the locals - as long as we are paying them, arming them, protecting them, fighting their enemies. It will not last. And this collapse is the definite future of the “Sunni awakening” strategy. Arming and funding the Sunni’s in Iraq is a short term deal, and propping them up directly undercuts the authority of Maliki’s central government (which he is now working to deal with militarily while we are still around to protect him). Conflict is unavoidable - we should get the hell out of the way, and stop being patsies in their tribal conflicts.

  And P.S., McCain was a POW - why won’t anyone mention this?

• 9. congressive  |  August 22nd, 2008 at 2:56 pm

  Oh, my mistake. I thought “Towers crumbled” was a reference to 9-11.

  Thanks, SEW. You are a fountainhead of insight.

• 10. congressive  |  August 22nd, 2008 at 3:04 pm

  Danish,

  God, it must be GREAT to have no long term memory. Every day is a new day.

  Cheney said it to Tim Russert on that thing called TV. You should get one. The exact Cheney quote is:

  “If we’re successful in Iraq … we will have struck a major blow right at the heart of the base, if you will, the geographic base of the terrorists who have had us under assault now for many years, but most especially on 9-11.”

  Google it, Danish Cartoon. You want me to wipe your backside, too? You don’t seem to be doing it for yourself.

  Apology accepted.

• 11. congressive  |  August 22nd, 2008 at 3:13 pm

  Victory is ours in this War on Terrorism, provided we just keep fighitng and, more to the point, fighting to provide a better life for the people of the Moslem world. The only thing which can stop us is ourselves, should we be so foolish as to elect a President who thinks you can sit down with evil and come to an agreement.

  “U.S., Iraqi Negotiators Agree on 2011 Withdrawal - Rice’s Baghdad Visit Ends With Accord on Departure Date; Legal Immunity Is Still a Sticking Point”

  Oh, NO! We’ve LOST! We’re cutting and running! Rice is ending the fighting, so we cannot be victorious. Now who will we kill?

  Oh, wait… there’s always Russia… whew, that was close. Carry on, troops.

• 12. Kahn  |  August 22nd, 2008 at 3:54 pm

  “elitist” ads? No. Better look again. The ads were about “celebrity”. They point out two facts. 1. That Obama is lauded by the press and treated as royalty. And,2. That he has no actual discernible positions and has shown poor judgment in the past.

  With the bulk of the wealth in the Senate and Congress firmly on the left and with Obama himself making millions, I don’t think you want to talk about elitism.

  Celebrity and elitist are not synonyms.

  AGAIN - say we said something we didn’t and then counter it. Probably wouldn’t happen so much if you’d think for yourselves…

• 13. Mark Noonan  |  August 22nd, 2008 at 3:59 pm

  Congressive,

  That is leaving after victory - only in the paranoid mind of the left was there any thought of us staying in Iraq beyond necessity. You’ll never be able to get around the FACT that your man Obama wanted the last US soldier out of Iraq five months ago - in other words, he wanted to surrender; he WANTED US TO LOSE THE WAR.

  Now he says he’ll fight for victory, but the only track record we have is him saying regarding Iraq is that it would be a bad idea at the start, was a pretty good idea when it seemed to be going well early on, and then was a complete failure right before we won…how are we to believe that he’ll fight for victory in Afghanistan? Unless we fight it out, regardless of how long it takes or how hard it gets, we won’t win…if we fight, we win; if we fail to fight, we lose…Obama has given every indication that when the going gets rough, he cuts and runs.

• 14. jayhay  |  August 22nd, 2008 at 5:46 pm

  Noonan - You state Republican foreign policy well, and validate why we want these maniacs out of office: “Unless we fight it out, regardless of how long it takes or how hard it gets, we won’t win…if we fight, we win”. That’s it in a nutshell. You think if we just fight we’ll “win” in the middle east, you think we can “defeat” “evil”, you think we can kill our way into the hearts and minds of moderates. Well we see McCain is even worse than Bush in this knee-jerk militarism that will destroy this country’s greatness - financially. morally, politically - Eisenhower was right. Your party is just dangerously naive.

  And as a Catholic I’d think you’d have a bit more humility in defining who is “evil” and who is not. But no, it’s all black & white and you know all, despite your ability to forgive the “many failings” of your family members.

  (And McCain was a POW. Spread the word.)

• 15. Mark Noonan  |  August 22nd, 2008 at 6:12 pm

  jayhay,

  No, we Catholics - if we pay attention - are well schooled in the difference between good and evil; people who in any way, shape or form strap bombs on people and set them off in marketplaces…well, they’re evil. And once you identify evil, you fight it as best you can, as soon as you can, and as long as it takes to defeat them.

  We’re not killing our way into the hearts and minds of moderates - we’re defeating the evil men who prevent the moderates from having a say. And I mean real moderates - not the fake moderates of the Iranian and Syrian governments, which esentially propose to kill us slower than the radicals do. The real moderates are those Iraqis and Afghans who voted at the risk of their lives; those Iraqis and Afghans who are fighting along side us; those Iraqis and Afghans who are working for national reconciliation within their respective nations…we’ve got into their hearts and minds.

  Some times we have to fight - and if you do have to fight, then you have to fight until the war is won, no matter how long that takes or how much it costs because losing will always cost more.

• 16. Danish Artist  |  August 22nd, 2008 at 6:53 pm

  Wow, conregressive, you actually tried to quote a source for once! Woohoo! But, you screwed the pooch on the whole post.

  Exactly! It must be great for you libs not to have a long term memory. We see it every day! You libs deny saying something from one day to the next. Obama can’t remember the Senate legislation he voted for BEFORE he was elected Senator.

  Again you “Conveniently” forgot the going talking point of the time…..I will post it again since you have forgotten.

  Lib talking point:
  Al Qaeda was in Iraq, not because of a 9/11 relationship but because the area that they fled to after leaving Afghanistan was protected and cut-off by the no fly zone. Hussein did not have control over that region so it was easy for Al Qaeda to settle there. That’s is essentially what you libs regurgitated before the Iraq war in answer to Al Qaeda is in Iraq claim.

  But when you dolts have everything spoon fed to you and you do not have to think I can see why you’d remember the winners of American Idol, Big Brother and Survivor, but not what really matters.

  Maybe you should turn off the idiot box from “reality TV”, turn off Springer, etc. etc. and do something more productive with your mind. As long as you what TV made for those with the mind of a vegetable then everything covered here in this blog is above your pay grade.

• 17. jayhay  |  August 22nd, 2008 at 8:31 pm

  I tend to think the evil is in the whipping up of hatred that MOTIVATES someone to strap on that bomb, or shoot up that clinic, or that encourages people to think of their opponents as “roaches”, or that says the killing of innocents is just “collateral damage”, whichever side does it, that posts daily in attempts to sell the idea that their opponent is an un-American, inhuman, un-patriotic scumbag. Evil is selling the idea that evil is “them”, and never, ever “us”.

  Evil is not a tidy package, an individual. It’s an idea, a movement, it’s nationalism that treats international issues like some kind of football game between good guys and bad guys. Evil is “the terrible simplifiers”.

• 18. Ken  |  August 23rd, 2008 at 12:07 pm

  Jayhay,

  Then the Taliban goes beyond evil. One of things they do is to kidnaping young children and strap bombs on them then send the kiddies running to their target.

  Granted, they are braver than liberals… they only kill the kiddies after they are born…