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• 1. Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, a&hellip  |  August 27th, 2008 at 7:12 am

  [...] Read more: Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgender Praise for Obama [...]

• 2. js  |  August 27th, 2008 at 7:26 am

  The next election, they will advertise the coalition of pedophiles seeking equal rights and the reduction of consent laws so they can excecise thier “sexual identity”…..and the association of bestiality will push its candidates in all 50 states in order to secure thier right to copulate with thier own dogs….

  no…sexually deviant behavior is NOT a civil right…and sodomy is NOT a human quality that rises to equal status in society with families and children….as a matter of fact….they are teaching this very thing to children in schools….it is a LIE….and we need to stop it!

• 3. sunrunner  |  August 27th, 2008 at 7:50 am

  Deleted - off topic.

• 4. WhatChange  |  August 27th, 2008 at 7:50 am

  Chavez, OBL, Hamas, Ajmadman, Putin, and now lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender for Obama.

  And Sunny has the audacity to state our morals and character are suspect for not being outraged at the ad that tells the world about the link between Wm. Ayers and Obama!

  I can’t wait for the 527 to come out making the Obama link to the above groups. Sleep with dogs, expect to get fleas. Thank you Hussein for, well, your suspect intellect.

• 5. bagni  |  August 27th, 2008 at 7:52 am

  markgender
  “anyone who tries to say they can only be happy if they are able to perform a particular type of sex act is a fool”
  i knew a priest like that once…….
  just kidding…..

• 6. neocon  |  August 27th, 2008 at 9:38 am

  bags,

  Is that priest a reflection of God or man?

• 7. OhioOrrin  |  August 27th, 2008 at 10:10 am

  actually sunrunner, the current version of the GOP is NOT conservative to wit:

  1) can’t balance any budget.
  2) expanded, not shrunk, federal govt
  3) selling-out our constitution to international trade agreements.
  4) private property abuses thru eminent domain.
  5) disrespecting states’ rights in the fed executive, legislative, & judical branches.
  6) reducing, not expanding, individual liberties.
  7) embracing state sponsored religion.

  the list goes on & on….

  no wonder this version 94 of the GOP will soon be finished at the fed, state, & local levels.

  then we can rebuild a true conservative party.

• 8. SEW  |  August 27th, 2008 at 10:30 am

  “actually sunrunner, the current version of the GOP is NOT conservative to wit”

  That’s the result of reaching across the aisle to the Democrats. While not conservative, it far exceeds what the other side offers–pure socialism.

• 9. extramedium  |  August 27th, 2008 at 10:37 am

  “More to the point right here, though, is the way that this praise for Obama from a group in definitive opposition to the American majority is not being well-reported. If a group outside the American mainstream was singing McCain’s praises you can be sure that the MSM would put it front and center..”

  Define “outside the American mainstream”. Seems to me that all of us have some gays and lesbians in our lives, whether as friends, coworkers or family. I’d call that pretty mainstream. What sort of “outside” group on the right are you comparing this to when you say the MSM would be all over it? Do we all have them in our lives?

  I suspect you say these things because you don’t even think about it any more. You’ve been smearing gays as anti-social deviants for so long, you come to take it as an understood truth. Gays and lesbians are people just like you and me, just trying to secure their rights and an find an unhostile place in society.

• 10. neocon  |  August 27th, 2008 at 10:48 am

  Ohio,

  You’re a joke. Aside from the obvious budgetary and small-government failings of the current GOP, they are hardly off the rails as you assert.

  Your histrionics about state sponsored religion, selling out our constitution, reducing individual liberties, etc, only exposes you as whiner on par with our lefties.

  extra,

  Had you ever thought that the militant gay and lesbian crowd DO NOT represent all gays and lesbians. I have a very good friend who is gay and he cringes when the GLTB crowd is protesting in the streets. Start thinking of people as individuals and not categories.

• 11. Fantasyteam  |  August 27th, 2008 at 11:22 am

  “actually sunrunner, the current version of the GOP is NOT conservative to wit8. SEW | August 27th, 2008 at 10:30 am

  Sometimes you write with thought, but this statement is a joke. Because the past eight years of conservatism leadership has lead to a failing economy, devastating war, meddling foreign policy and over reaching government intrusions into American citizens private lives you wash it all away with a statement like that.

  I don’t buy and the American people did not buy it in 2006. It remains to be seen if the Swift-boating smear campaign of Obama will make them forget in 2008.

• 12. neocon  |  August 27th, 2008 at 11:30 am

  Fantasy,

  Do you ever speak from a position of reality?

  Bush has not governed as a financial conservative, hence the rejection of the GOP congress in 2006. And you again parrot the loss of liberty, and meddling foreign policy screed that is simply not true and a fact that the general electorate is very aware of. Only in the drama queen world of liberalism does that gain any traction.

  Reid and Pelosi have the lowest approval ratings in the history of Congress and Obama will beaten like a rented mule in November, and here’s hoping that the whiners and complacent sycophants will be marginalized forever.

• 13. SEW  |  August 27th, 2008 at 11:33 am

  Actually fantasy, that is Ohio’s statement. nevertheless, I believe that 2+2 is 4, not 2+2 is evil as you claim. You are severely deficient in even basic reasoning. Try leaving the tinfoil hat off. BDS.

• 14. SEW  |  August 27th, 2008 at 11:46 am

  These clowns are hilarious. Maybe a 527 will incorporate the Greek rock star platform with the Charlton heston parting of the waters, “when the world started to heal.”

  Thanks Barry for your great intellect. We will see how middle gun clinging America responds.

• 15. SEW  |  August 27th, 2008 at 11:47 am

  http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=5660266

• 16. Fantasyteam  |  August 27th, 2008 at 1:00 pm

  12. neocon | August 27th, 2008 at 11:30 am
  13. SEW | August 27th, 2008 at 11:33 am

  Live in a world of denial, I could care less. There are few in America that don’t remember Bush being touted by Republicans as the next Reagan. Give us all a break with your revisionist history.

• 17. New Conservative  |  August 27th, 2008 at 1:52 pm

  If you get the chance please go vote in my VP polls.
  http://thenewconservatives.blogspot.com/

• 18. SEW  |  August 27th, 2008 at 1:55 pm

  That’s not revision, it’s unraveling before your very eyes. The Greek Temple coming this Thursday night featuring rock star world President Barick Hussein Obama.

• 19. jayhay  |  August 27th, 2008 at 1:55 pm

  Noonan - “We are not the sum of our sex acts - being human is so much more than that”. Right, so why do you keep burying your nose in people’s bedrooms?

  “…anyone who tries to say they can only be happy if they are able to perform a particular type of sex act is a fool”. Okay, so what type of sex people have is unimportant? I don’t know, I have favorites… I know what you are trying to say, that everyone should be happy with man-on-top, white bread procreative hetero sex (and don’t mention oral, it skeeves Jeremiah out). But I swear your obsession with people’s sex lives makes me wonder, maybe you’re one of the many closeted Republicans that doth protest too much? Come on out, Noonan! Get that load off your chest! There are many welcoming Catholic churches for you too! We are parishioners at one and our kids go to school there! You’d love it!

• 20. BARRASSO  |  August 27th, 2008 at 2:07 pm

  I just assume that anyone so obsessed with gay sex is a closet case, which means most of the righties on this site. But if you object to gay as well as interracial relationships you have to be a pretty skeevy customer, I have to assume that means some form of necrophilia or coprophilia or beastiality fetish. I would say that in ten years gay marriage will be as accepted as interracial marriage and all you wingnuts will be looked back on as the sad bigots you are.

• 21. Jackie  |  August 27th, 2008 at 3:19 pm

  why do you people hate gays? i have many friends and family member who are gay and they deserve respect and rights everyone else has.

• 22. neocon  |  August 27th, 2008 at 3:24 pm

  why do you people hate gays? - jackie

  Why do you people stereotype?

• 23. BU3 Durf  |  August 27th, 2008 at 5:12 pm

  2. js | August 27th, 2008 at 7:26 am
  The next election, they will advertise the coalition of pedophiles seeking equal rights and the reduction of consent laws so they can excecise thier ?sexual identity??..and the association of bestiality will push its candidates in all 50 states in order to secure thier right to copulate with thier own dogs?.

  no?sexually deviant behavior is NOT a civil right?and sodomy is NOT a human quality that rises to equal status in society with families and children?.as a matter of fact?.they are teaching this very thing to children in schools?.it is a LIE?.and we need to stop it!

  Again, JS, NO FACTS, just hot puffs of air come out of your hateful mouth. This country is founded on the principles of the Constitution, not the bible. That, sir, is a fact.

  22. neocon | August 27th, 2008 at 3:24 pm
  why do you people hate gays? - jackie

  Why do you people stereotype?

  Neocon,

  I don’t think that was a stereotype, it really is how you people truly feel. You are so full of hate, it is terrible. I guess you conservatives like to pick and choose which part of the good book you follow. Didn’t Jesus teach love and tolerance for everyone?

• 24. Jackie  |  August 27th, 2008 at 5:18 pm

  Its not a stereotype. The conservative movement does everything in their power to deny GLBT rights that heterosexuals enjoy. That is wrong.

• 25. neocon  |  August 27th, 2008 at 5:26 pm

  I don’t think that was a stereotype, it really is how you people truly feel. - BU3

  Really? Tell me more about me and what I think. I am always fascinated by the elitist liberal mind.

  Jackie,

  Since over 80% of conservatives fully support civil unions and the all of the inherent rights of marriage therein, how is that denying GLBT’s their “rights”?

• 26. Jackie  |  August 27th, 2008 at 5:35 pm

  Civil Unions is the same as the segregated South’s “seperate but equal.”

• 27. BU3 Durf  |  August 27th, 2008 at 5:37 pm

  25. neocon | August 27th, 2008 at 5:26 pm
  I don’t think that was a stereotype, it really is how you people truly feel. - BU3

  Really? Tell me more about me and what I think. I am always fascinated by the elitist liberal mind.

  Jackie,

  Since over 80% of conservatives fully support civil unions and the all of the inherent rights of marriage therein, how is that denying GLBT’s their “rights”?

  Neocon,

  Where did you get that number? Only 55% of Americans support civils unions. Which if you do simple math, that cannot be 80% of conservatives. Here’s the link, abcnews.go.com/images/PollingUnit/1050a3SocialIssues.pdf ….try again before you make up numbers, it will make you look more intelligent.

• 28. extramedium  |  August 27th, 2008 at 6:30 pm

  neocon - Militant gay and lesbian crowd? Certainly you aren’t suggesting that the LBGT Caucus is a militant gay demonstration, are you? It’s just a meeting at the convention focusing on gay and lesbian issues, of people who care about gay people. What is it about the meeting that makes you regard it as “militant”?

• 29. Mark Noonan  |  August 27th, 2008 at 6:31 pm

  extra,

  Just like you and me? Depends on what sense you are saying that in - in the sense of “child of God”, yes, gay people and myself are like peas in a pod…if you mean “there’s no moral difference between someone who lives a gay life and someone who doesn’t”, then you’re speaking pure, unadulterated nonsense. There is a difference, and its rather large and difficult to bridge.

  But that is not what is at issue here - what is at issue is the gay rights movement’s overt and enthusiastic support for Barack Obama and the Democratic party and what that bodes for future policy decisions should the Democrats win in November. As you lefties love to say - when it discomforts non-leftists - “the people have a right to know”…in this case, we have a right to know just what, exactly, Barack Obama proposes to do to advance the cause of so-called gay rights in America. If Obama can’t answer the question, then he’s a con artist taking advantage of gullible gay people…if he won’t answer it, then he’s a dishonest man. Its one or the other, unless we get an answer…and that answer will either be “I’ll work with all means available to advance the cause of gay rights” or “I’m not in favor of advancing gay rights at the federal level”, which would mean no change in “don’t ask/don’t tell” and no move to repeal DOMA or to appoint judges who believe that living a homosexual life is akin to being born black as regards our anti-discrimination laws.

  You can see what a vise Obama is caught in - and I love that he’s caught in it, and I hope that the GOP presses the issue. You see, its a question he dares not answer - answer it one way and depress the base, answer it another an alienate those middle Americans he needs in order to win. If pressed and he refuses to answer or gives a mealy-mouthed answer it works just as well for the GOP.

  In the end, my friend, this is the GOP’s unbeatable advantage - we’re not entirely enslaved to ideology, as the Democratic party is. We’re the more conservative party, but we’re not ideologically straighjacketed as the Democrats are - given the left’s idiotic rejection of tradtional morality regarding sexual relations and the left’s knee-jerk desire to automatically lend credence to the outlandish, there was no way the left could reject the gay rights agenda when it first came up - and once hooked, there was no way out and as pressure mounted the left did what is always does: grow more rigid and more breathtaking in the scope of their demands.

  And now you’re stuck - what was the reasonable demand, almost immediately fulfilled, to be left alone has now become a demand that the extravagently self-indulgent be accorded the same respect as the moral core of society, the two-parent family. It won’t sell, extra, and no amount of skewed polls of allegedly younger voters will change the fact that being opposed to gay marriage cuts across demographic and ideological lines and only the most committed of leftists thinks there’s any merit in the idea.

  And we will use this absurdity on your side to advance our cause - and we’ll continue to do so, with this and other issues, just so long as you refuse to live in the real world.

• 30. Mark Noonan  |  August 27th, 2008 at 6:35 pm

  Jackie,

  Every gay person enjoys every right I enjoy - I don’t have a right to marry anyone I please, and neither do gay people. I can marry within the established rules for marriage in the United States, and so can gay people.

  Unless you want to say that having gay sex is required for a gay person to be happy, you’ll just have to agree with me…and if you disagree, you’ll sound like a fool.

• 31. js  |  August 27th, 2008 at 6:43 pm

  the reason its so easy for the DNC to rap on the GOP for the budget is because the GOP stood up and fought for what is right in Afghanistan and Iraq…and that really is upside down….because the Congress is responsible for budgets….no one else…and the DNC represents more pork spending than anything….ecspecially the last 2 years….

• 32. js  |  August 27th, 2008 at 6:50 pm

  “Since over 80% of conservatives fully support civil unions and the all of the inherent rights of marriage therein, how is that denying GLBT’s their “rights”?”

  thats got to be the view of a mental midget…surely you dont think you can make that kind of claim and not get a double take…or…are you a mental midget….

  since the core conservative stance is that sodomites/homosexuality is a mental issue…it goes against the grain to appease it…let alone…to allow its justificiation or even consideration as some sort of equal standing in society with natural sexual behavior….

  80% is BS.

• 33. extramedium  |  August 27th, 2008 at 7:00 pm

  Mark,

  As you know, it’s hard to argue with a man’s beliefs- and because you’ve provided no data to support this idea that only (what I presume to be a small minority of) extreme leftists give merit to gay marriage, I can only regard it as a belief. However, I think this will go the same way as interracial marriage in terms of public opinion. As you may know, 90% of Americans opposed interracial marriage in 1948, and it has since gradually eroded into a minority. At the moment, I’d further posit that more than 50% of Americans support either marriage or civil unions conferring equal rights to gay couples.

  While I don’t deny that Republicans will be able to get some more mileage out of the hate and fear surrounding gay marriage, it’s only a matter of time before opposition to gay marriage fades into irrelevance.

  Remember, nobody is asking you or your church to accept gay marriage. Live and let live, my friend.

• 34. Mark Noonan  |  August 27th, 2008 at 7:19 pm

  extra,

  Its in the votes, my friend, in the votes. You can count one electoral victory on your side, I’ve got a score or more on my side…and this without a Supreme Court ruling in favor of gay marriage to spur desire…this is all generated from mere actions at State courts regarding the issue. You haven’t even begun to see the backlash - just “win” in the courts once or twice more and watch what happens.

  As for “live and let live” - indeed, and that is a settled issue. What two adults consent to do with each other in the privacy of their own home is almost entirely no one’s business but their own (there is no such thing, of course, as an absolute right)…but this is a different species of action. This not people going into the bedroom and saying “no gay sex” but, rather, a few fanatics going into the courts and demanding that our laws provide moral equivalence between gay sex and well ordered heterosexual relations.

  A gay person can easily execute a binding, legal contract which meld his and his partner’s lives together and then go to the Unitarian Universalist Community of Lake County and find a priestess to perform what they are free to call a marriage ceremony. No harm, no foul and I wouldn’t be in the least concerned - the only thing really missing from it would be the advantages a hetero couple get for adoption and taxation purposes….but those advantages are not inherent to a straight couple, but to the one man/one woman, two-parent family we have determined - through very long and incontrovertible experience - is best to raise up the next generation to be civilized members of our society.

  And be that as it may, the issue here is still what Obama will do - and we have a right to know, and have it broadcast in prime time, just what Obama’s plans are vis a vis gay marriage and the rest of the so-called gay rights agenda.

• 35. Jackie  |  August 27th, 2008 at 7:23 pm

  Mark Noonan,

  Anyone who is married or has been married knows that marriage is so much more than sex. But that’s what it is with you, you are so rapped up in what you deem inappropriate behavior that you cannot see them as people who have the right to marry.

  The laws that govern marriage in this country have to do with protection- ie. a 50 year old cannot marry a 12 year old. That is not what we are talking about. If you view gay marriage in that light then you sound like a homophobic, narrow minded person.

• 36. extramedium  |  August 27th, 2008 at 8:05 pm

  Mark,

  Obama’s position on gay marriage is known - “no” to gay marriage, “yes” to civil unions. However, neither Obama nor any other president can “do” anything about gay marriage. All they can do is talk about it, i.e. ask congress to do this or that or express support one way or another,

  In case you are wondering what will happen when Obama talks about it (regardless of what he says): Republicans will call it proof positive that Obama is selfish, arrogant, immoral, extreme, far-left, liberal, empty suit who never should be (or should have been) voted into office in the first place. Democrats will support him. Was there ever any mystery about it? ;-)

• 37. Robert  |  August 27th, 2008 at 9:19 pm

  “Unless you want to say that having gay sex is required for a gay person to be happy, you’ll just have to agree with me…and if you disagree, you’ll sound like a fool.” - Mark Noonan

  Mark, do you love your wife?

  If you do, maybe you realize that sometimes people have sex for LOVE, Mark. For love!

  Sometimes, Mark, in fact MOST times - gay peeople LOVE each other.

  If you do not want them to have sex when they love each other, I have a suggestion for you.

  YOU give up sex with your wife. ALWAYS and FOREVER. From this moment on, you are not allowed to EVER have sex with your wife. EVER.

  Why, you ask? Because that is EXACTLY the way you feel about gays.

  No matter what they feel inside for their partner, they are not allowed to have sex or they are moralless heathens, by the Mark Noonan Law.

  After all, you will still be happy with your wife, right? If you can give up sex with your wife, FOREVER, then you will hold to your values. Untill and unless you can, you may just have to realize that gays who love each other can have sex, just as you can, and should not be persecuted for it.

  How would you like some all-important, know-it-all, arrogant person to tell you what to do and what not to do with your wife when you love her? LEAVE OTHER PEOPLE ALONE!!!!

  Unless, to Mark Noonan, it IS all about sex and not about love. I wonder how your wife feels about that? After all, from what you have said, your younger years were all about sex. Why should you be any different now.

  Maybe YOU should realize that people who are gay actually do feel love for one another.

  Until then, “and if you disagree, you’ll sound like a fool.”

  Mark, please, for your own sake and everyone else’s stop being such an ARROGANT
  son of a #$%^*!!!!!!

• 38. Mark Noonan  |  August 27th, 2008 at 9:31 pm

  Robert,

  I propose to leave other people alone - what I don’t propose is to allow a selfish few to redefine marriage into non-existence because they, deep down inside, know what they do is wrong and want to set the world up as far as possible to allow them to pretend it isn’t wrong.

• 39. js  |  August 27th, 2008 at 9:33 pm

  35. Jackie

  do you really think that someone who cant figure out what the right hole is really has enough “together” to be made an example for america’s children….far from it…leave it in the bedroom…medical science already knows the proper function of the human reproductive system…and thats what we should be teaching children…not the justification of should be mental cases practicing sodomy….

• 40. Mark Noonan  |  August 27th, 2008 at 9:33 pm

  extra,

  The point is that under Obama the Democrats have taken an extreme left turn, and the American people, prior to November 4th, should be fully aware of the bill of good they are buying. McCain is absolutely forthright about what he wants to do - there’s no secrets, no part of him whch is hidden away. Obama supports things, but he doesn’t want Joe Average to really know.

• 41. Jackie  |  August 27th, 2008 at 9:37 pm

  JS,

  Your response indicates that you have serious issues if you preoccupy yourself with other people’s sex life.

• 42. js  |  August 27th, 2008 at 9:39 pm

  hey robert…so does that mean that if i luv my pet monkey…i can get a tax break for marrying it too…or my st bernard…what about just a platonic relationship…can i qualify?

  you seem to ignore the reason for society to promote families…to justify the tax breaks for being married because you have children and raise them…and create the next generation of taxable populations…last i checked…the total population from the sodomites is a substantial negative factor….

  and its funny too…because out of all the AIDs cases…over half of them are sodomites…its strange that the mental illness responsible for spreading the worst incurable deadly STD in history wants a license to get a tax break from society by imitating the one thing that a sodomite can never be…a family….

• 43. js  |  August 27th, 2008 at 9:41 pm

  41. Jackie

  i can understand your reasoning…it falls right in line with the rest of the mental midgets trying to promote death through sodomy…i cant even say that was a good shot either…more like a waste of human effort…

• 44. Robert  |  August 27th, 2008 at 9:59 pm

  js,

  So marriage is all about money to you, is it?

  What a wonderful example of humanity you are.

  Marriage is about LOVE, not money.

  And you obviously do not have any understanding of mental illness, since you seem to confuse being gay with being a schizophrenic or a sociopath or even an Alzhiemer’s patient.

  Oh, and by the way, many gay couples provide BETTER families for adopted children than the worthless straight parents who were crack addicts and abusive and could care less about their children.

  The only reason you don’t like this issue is because you think being gay is disgusting - same with Mark. But just because it doesn’t fit YOUR worldview does not make you right.

  Get off your high horse and try to understand people and accept them as people, not the stereotypes you make up in your head.

• 45. js  |  August 27th, 2008 at 10:18 pm

  gee robert…you injected more of your personal assumptions as to my beliefs in just the first three paragraphs that i discount you as a typical sodomite stereotype that really doesnt deserve attention…

  so why are you playing stooge here? so you can tell people what you imagine they are thinking like some dwarfed halfwit standing in the middle of a hiway without the sense to bring a stop sign….

• 46. FactCheck  |  August 27th, 2008 at 10:21 pm

  There is a difference, and its rather large and difficult to bridge.

  No, that’s just what you tell yourself to make yourself feel OK about your bigoted views about gay people.

  I propose to leave other people alone

  Not quite; you propose to leave gay people alone if they quietly accept second-class citizen status. And even that’s not quite true–you take a rather perverse glee in using gay people as a wedge issue. But again, the above is simply a line you tell yourself to make you feel OK with your anti-gay views.

• 47. js  |  August 27th, 2008 at 10:25 pm

  here justify this moron;

  Pathophysiology of Male Homosexuality

  The structure and function of the male and female human reproductive systems are fully complementary. Anatomically he vagina is designed to receive the penis. It is lined with squamous epithelium and is surrounded by a muscular tube intended for penile intromission. The rectum, on the other hand, is lined with a delicate mucosal surface and a single layer of columnar epithelium intenuea primarily for the reabsorption of water and electrolytes. The rectum is incapable of mechanical protection against abrasion and severe damage to the colonic mucosa can result if objects that are large, sharp, or pointed are inserted into the rectum (Agnew, 1986).

  The anus and rectum, unlike the vagina contain no natural lubricating function. Thus insertion of unlubricated objects or inadequate dilation of the anus before insertion of a large object can result in tissue laceration. “The internal and external anal sphincters are elastic rings of muscle which generally remain tightly constricted except during defecation. The anal sphincters are also intended for material to pass through them in a direction that leads out of the body. When an attempt is made to insert something in the reverse direction, the muscles of the sphincter constrict” (Agnew, 1986).

  is that about money moron? the whole truth is that if the “gay” community stopped lying to the public…the public would treat sodomy and related activity as deviant sexual behavior and stop cramming lies to our kids in schools…and on the stage (did someone say something about privacy of thier own bedrooms?) of the DNC Convention like they do…liberals suck up to liars…you are living proof of that…

  your imagination flagged you as a mental midget, congratulations

• 48. FactCheck  |  August 27th, 2008 at 10:29 pm

  Incidentally, it’s rather funny that you’re trying to create some sort of issue about the fact that gay people support the Democratic Party. Why would they support your party? Read over the comments of your fellow righties in this thread. Look at js’s rather insecure prattling about “The Sodomites” and equating homosexuality to bestiality (a favorite tactic of the oh-so-loving right wing). What possible reason would gay people have to support a party that is home to people like you and your commentariat?

• 49. js  |  August 27th, 2008 at 10:38 pm

  then again, when we let the morons pull away from the simple truth about sexuality and its purpose in life…we tend to feed them with too much attention….the sexual reproductive organs of the human body are made to create living children…to create life…not for entertainment and certainly not a sport….yet…when a segment of society plots a course of action to disingeniously disguise deviant sexual behavior as a natural human function in schools across america…it screws up our kids who are already having a tough enough time trying to deal with thier sexuality in an already too liberal society….

  once again…sex is like a drug…addiction to sex is little different than any other addiction….some people are addicted to food…others to drugs or alchohol….others to gambling or risk tanking…the human mind uses its utmost ability to manipulate its surroundings so that it gets what it wants….the synapse in the brain fire the same circuit, over and over…the pleasure repeats every time the choice of drug or addiction is gratified…the same part of the brain gives the same reward over and over to the addict…not matter the choice of the addiction….an orgasm is just as addictive as heroin….and in 1.5% +/- of the population it converges with sexual identity dysfuction…which is a mental issue….when a man or a woman fails to be attracted to the opposite sex…and instead is attracted, unnaturally to the same sex…sexual deviance and paraphilia are other terms for the same thing…when the natural use of the human body is perverted to satisfy a lust of a nature that deviates from its natural fuction…

  and thats exactly how it should be taught to children, facts, not hype about mislead “love”, from people who have no clue what real love is (or they would never sodomize another human being)

  so, next time you sodomites share you HIV with another person, make sure you tell them you are a mental case, even if the APA doesnt want to treat you….

• 50. js  |  August 27th, 2008 at 10:44 pm

  48. FactCheck

  is that what you call claptrap chatter?

• 51. majoriot  |  August 27th, 2008 at 11:27 pm

  First off, the choice of being gay is not an issue. If you want to deny equal rights on the basis of choice, then you will have to drop religion as a protected right, as religious belief and practice is a choice.
  Otherwise, it is inherent, and as with race, people should be protected from discrimination on that basis.

  The argument for the protection of the institution of marriage is nothing more than a canard.
  Marriage is certainly not a prerequisite for the propagation of the species, nor will it always result in such. Propagation of the species is certainly not a prerequisite for love. A man and a women are certainly not exclusive when it comes to love and the desire for marriage.

  I am not sure where the basis for your argument comes from, but while your religious beliefs are understandable as a basis for making personal decisions regarding your own lifestyle, they are certainly not a valid reason to advocate discrimination.

• 52. js  |  August 27th, 2008 at 11:48 pm

  people are born with addictive traits…they make a choice to take heroin…but irregardless…thier addiction is a mental issue…just like homosexuality aka sodomy…your hollow claims are perfect for stupid people….like the ones who follow obama….but the truth is not in you….and you ignore everything in your face to make an invalid point…

  your screwed….

• 53. js  |  August 27th, 2008 at 11:58 pm

  you remind me of the guy that went out and bought a 32 foot travel trailers…and went on vacation…got the thing up to 70mph…set cruise control…and then went back to take a nap…didnt take him long to figure out something was wrong…

  some people are not that lucky, like you for instance…you would have never figured out how that travel trailer ended up topsy turvery after you woke up…some people never get past the stage where thinking before you act is logical…

  like you…

• 54. FactCheck  |  August 28th, 2008 at 12:05 am

  while your religious beliefs are understandable as a basis for making personal decisions regarding your own lifestyle, they are certainly not a valid reason to advocate discrimination.

  Excellently stated.

• 55. js  |  August 28th, 2008 at 12:09 am

  discrimination is good

  we learn to discriminate between right and wrong

  we learn the discriminate between the truth and a lie

  we learn that some people try to accuse us on religious grounds when they have no other defense, as a means to make a lie the truth…l

  like i said…discrimination is good.

• 56. Mark Noonan  |  August 28th, 2008 at 1:22 am

  Fact,

  If I were bigoted about gay people, you’d have a strong argument…but as I’m not, your argument falls flat.

• 57. MattM  |  August 28th, 2008 at 2:26 am

  “if you mean “there’s no moral difference between someone who lives a gay life and someone who doesn’t”, then you’re speaking pure, unadulterated nonsense.”

  Whose morals, Mark? Yours? I was unaware that you were made final arbiter on the moral code of this country.

  But if you mean there’s a moral difference between one set of consenting adults who love each other and another set of consenting adults who love each other, then you’re speaking pure, unadulterated nonsense

• 58. MattM  |  August 28th, 2008 at 2:33 am

  I love that JS is so worried about confusing kids in school by teaching them that sexuality other than hetero is ok, but he’s perfectly happy teaching kids that discrimination is acceptable.

• 59. Robert  |  August 28th, 2008 at 5:08 am

  JS,

  I DO know what real love is. I am completely heterosexual, by the way, and have NEVER had a homosexual urge in my life.

  However, just because I am straight and would never feel such a thing does not mean that other people do not have different feelings.

  And those feelings are many times born of LOVE. Maybe you, JS, do not understand love.

  I, however, have found an incredible woman after many years of difficult searching and we will be married by next year. I am quite heterosexual, and yet I believe in the transcendance of love, even in others who do not share my heterosexual lifestyle.

  Oh, and I noticed that your “facts” only really deal with male homosexuality.

  I bet you just love watching lesbians get it on, huh? How about those “Girls Gone Wild” videos, JS?

  Most men that are disgusted by homosexuality just don’t like to think of men doing that to each other. However, they salivate when two hot women are all over each other. See the hypocrisy here, JS?

  How about you, Mark?

  Your issues seem to be with sodomy here, not homosexuality as a whole.

  How about it Mark, do you like watching lesbians get it on? Or even want girls to pretend they are lesbians for your viewing pleasure?

  Or are you just disgusted by homosexual men?

  Hmmmmm? Do tell. And show if you are a hypocrite or not.

• 60. Robert  |  August 28th, 2008 at 5:19 am

  Oh yeah, and JS - news flash for you!!

  STRAIGHT PEOPLE GET AIDS!!!!!

  You know, straight people with never a homosexual thought in their lives. Good people who have had blood transfusions and bad people who use drugs and share needles.

  Oh yeah, how about bad people like some frat boys who train rape girls at their parties because they think it is cool.

  How about women who have been abused as children by STRAIGHT people, some of them that I know by their fathers who were PREACHERS!!

  How about these women who have been damaged so bad that they lose all respect for themselves and will sleep with any STRAIGHT man that will have them.

  How about these people, good and bad, JS - do you not think that they will maybe have a chance of contracting HIV?

  Oh, I’m sorry, JS only thinks AIDS is a gay man’s disease. If you are a sodomite, you deserve to get AIDS, right JS?

  Seriously - get a grip. Look at the REAL world, JS, and not the one you construct for yourself in your head.

  Oh yeah, and how about those hot lesbian strippers, what do you think of them? You like, JS? I bet they just reall turn you on, huh?

  Oh-oh - a homosexual man. Maybe someone should shoot him dead while JS watches the girls make out. Since, after all, sodomy is evil. But yum, yum, those strippers look good as they touch all over the other girl. Right, JS?

• 61. js  |  August 28th, 2008 at 7:27 am

  all that, and nothing original robert…cheap rhetoric…you rely on all that someone else told you and you dont have a lick of sense to figure out what is right and wrong yourself…it must suck to be you…not one original arguement in all the writting….you dont have to present lies to defend yourself because you are defending an indefensible topic….medical science has stated in no uncertain terms what validates socieities anti gay and lesbian stand…the human body was not made for sodomy….it is healthy discrimination to reject sodomites like you (ya, you can deny it all you want…but you are not fooling anyone)…because what you do is not natural…your selfish lusts create nothing good for society…and recognizing that self seeking gratification for disfuctional sexual behavior can not stand equal to the natural affections between a man and a woman (which is what the human reproductive system is made for)….that is why mental midgets pushing rhetoric wearing pink panties have to memorize the same BS and repeat the same lies over and over….rejecting homosexuality is healthy and responsible discrimination….so the next time you bring claptrap from homo loving sexual deviants that you have memorized….try to do so in a way that is more unique than what you have drivelled here…you can not soft sell you way to acceptance here moron….sodomites are wrong and nothing you say can change that…we NEED to discriminate against them and we NEED to discourage the mental issues that cause them, not promote it….

• 62. js  |  August 28th, 2008 at 7:47 am

  aids is not a sodomite disease?

  HIV/AIDS in 2005
  (The following bullets refer to the 33 states with long-term, confidential name-based HIV reporting. See the box, before the References section, for a list of the 33 states.)

  In the 33 states with long-term, confidential name-based HIV reporting, an estimated 19,620 MSM (18,296 MSM and 1,324 MSM who inject drugs) received a diagnosis of HIV/AIDS, accounting for 71% of male adults and adolescents and 53% of all people receiving an HIV/AIDS diagnosis that year [1].
  The number of HIV/AIDS diagnoses among MSM (including MSM who inject drugs) increased 11% from 2001 through 2005 [1]. It is not known whether this increase is due to an increase in the testing of persons with risk factors, which results in more HIV diagnoses, or due to an increase in cases of HIV infection
  An estimated 231,893 MSM (207,810 MSM and 24,083 MSM who inject drugs) were living with HIV/AIDS [1].

  so, 231,893 is 71% of male aids cases, plus 24,083 to achieve 53% of all aids cases….do the math….2+ out of 3 men with aids are sodomites…that 71% represents less than 1.5% of the population that are gay….because you have to subtract females from the 1.5% to find the male population….effectively…71% of the aids cases…from maybe 1% of the US Population….thats pretty damning…..you just have to wonder how many of them are closet sodomites that took aids home to the family….and exactly what percetage of HIV in the USA was directly rooted to sodomites behavior…..seeing that they own 71% of the turf….already….its pretty obvious that the sodomite lifestyle should never be encouraged in our society…..they are out of control even after the country has spent hundreds of millions of TAX DOLLARS educating them….

  Discrimination IS healthy…factually.

• 63. FactCheck  |  August 28th, 2008 at 10:58 am

  If I were bigoted about gay people, you’d have a strong argument…but as I’m not, your argument falls flat.

  Dazzling display of logic there. What’s particularly sad/funny is that you actually believe you just made a shutdown argument right there.

  Anyway, care to offer some rationale was to why a gay person should team up with you and your ilk? Or are you going to keep on ducking that question?

• 64. Robert  |  August 28th, 2008 at 11:42 am

  JS,

  Oh, nothing original, you say?

  What I said about daughters being raped by their fathers is absolute fact. I know several girls who have had it happen.

  Also, you do not seem to realize that what I say on this blog is very far from the typical party line. You see, unlike you, I actually post here because I am interested in seeing what the other side thinks.

  Yes, quite frankly, it makes me sick sometimes. And it also upsets me in my real life because it disgusts me that people can even think the way you do. It disgusts me that people are as full of hatred as you are, or as full of themselves as Mark is. So musch of what I see of the righties posting on here is ARROGANCE. It is sickening.

  You know, the things I post about here about myslef and my beliefs are 100% true. They are not made up for the sake of the Internet world. What I say about myself is the real truth of the real living person behind this keyboard.

  JS, when I read you posts I realize that you are just making s%^t up. You are doing doing this for fun. You justa want to get a reaction, but the truth is that you are norhing like this in real life. You are probably some kid living in his mama’s basement who has no friends so he tries to piss people off on message boards so that he can allievate his boredom.

  I only wish that was the case for Mark Noonan. But, unfortunately, Mark is so deranged that he takes his anger and his arrogance out into the world to be involved on TV and through a book.

  But, I guess that’s okay, because we have nutbags like Rush LKimbaugh and Sean Hannity, and here in Pittsburgh, Jim Quinn making loads of money from their hatred and their lies. Hey, they probably make it up too, just so they get paid.

  Anyway, maybe I will bug out here, since talking to people like you makes my head hurt. But just to clarify, I am 100% straight. What I say comes from a want for equality for ALL people. You know - like our country was founded upon - ALL men are created equal.

  The things I have said about people I have known and the job I do, etc.. are really true about the real person I am. I do not have to hide my beliefs behind a computer keyboard. I have the courage to state what I believe without making up a bunch of stuff just to piss strangers on a website off.

  So, my advice, JS is STOP YOUR PATHETIC HATRED!!!

  When you act as you do, you show that you are a BABY!!!! GROW UP!!!!!

• 65. MattM  |  August 28th, 2008 at 2:22 pm

  Robert, you’re missing the point. It’s not hatred JS has, it’s fear.

  Fear about something he doesn’t understand except deep down in his miniscule brain - the part that makes him all tingly when he showers with the guys at the gym.

  Fear that just like the civil rights movement, gay rights will become completely acceptable by the mainstream within his lifetime - and he’ll be left on the outskirts of society as a bigot - again.

• 66. js  |  August 28th, 2008 at 5:04 pm

  lets see…standing up and telling the truth…thats not fear…morons call it fear? thats about right…they have no clue what courage is…

  double talk from robert and mattm lying really isnt that impressive….the two of you combined make a piss poor team….but since you brought it up….why dont you address the facts i posted from the cdc? 71% of all aids cases are msm…thats not ancient history either…its from 2007….and you think sodomizing another person is so good….but you missed the rest of the shot where the function of the human body is described…pretty gross stuff…ya got me there…but its all true….

  neither one of you have presented one reason why society should accept the gross behavior, you just whine and cry about it when i post the truth…thats screaming with reason…a good reason for you to lie about not being a sodomite….and an even better reason for you to say you are leaving…

  good riddance…no great loss here….bye….

• 67. js  |  August 28th, 2008 at 5:09 pm

  One time a gay guy told me that gays should be “put in charge of culture” since family men like me don’t have time for it. I said, “Let me get this straight. A guy like me, who buys schoolbooks and soccer balls and winter coats for my kids, am going to have NO SAY in our cultural priorities? No vote in where this society focuses its thoughts and aspirations? That’s cowshit…In fact, I think there should be a “childless tax”, a “gay tax”, an all-around “flake tax”, for men and women over the age of 30 with no kids. Gay or straight. I supply my kids with the implements and services they need for 18 years or more of job training – while you sip expensive wines and vacation in Bermuda – and then when you retire my kids will be working to pay your Social Security? That’s a massive rip-off. You should be taxed, starting today, for refusing to accept any responsibility for continuing human existence…You can adopt some abandoned kid if you want to avoid the childless tax.” He screamed – a woman’s scream.

  http://fathersforlife.org/Table_contents_gj.htm#Gay_Issues

• 68. pansy  |  August 28th, 2008 at 5:52 pm

  Hi there, I’m gay. Check out my sign-in name.

  I’m in a long-term relationship. Like many long-term relationships, we don’t have sex any more. We never really had all that much to begin with.

  It strikes me that there isn’t much financial benefit to marriage — at least not in terms of taxation.

  However, if I should fall sick from say, pneumonia, would it be all right with you if my partner visited me in the hospital? Answer carefully! It’s a slippery slope.

• 69. MattM  |  August 28th, 2008 at 6:28 pm

  Come on JS - tell us more “truth”! Pretty please. It’s so entertaining to watch you burst into flames as you babble on with more stupidity.

  But don’t let our “lies” stop you! Tell us how Creationism is true! Convince us that the world is flat! Explain to us how black people aren’t considered real people!

  By your ridiculous logic - heterosexual people aren’t “moral” because they use their mouths to kiss - which isn’t what they were meant for. Mouths are made for talking and eating. And from all that heterosexual kissing, straight people infect other straight people with herpes - another incurable disease!

• 70. js  |  August 28th, 2008 at 11:10 pm

  you sure are stupid mattm…did you get that way all by yourself, or is it genetic…..

  you cant handle the truth…its pretty obvious that you’ll never amount to a hill o’beans till you actually grow up….

• 71. js  |  August 28th, 2008 at 11:13 pm

  if you need to re-educate yourself so you dont appear to be so ignorant, start here;

  The Health Risks of Gay Sex

  Introduction

  I. Differences between homosexual and heterosexual relationships

  A. Promiscuity
  B. Physical health

  1. Male Homosexual Behavior

  a. Anal-genital
  b. Oral-anal
  c. Human Waste
  d. Fisting
  e. Sadism
  f. Conclusion

  2. Female Homosexual Behavior

  C. Mental health

  1. Psychiatric Illness
  2. Reckless Sexual Behavior

  D. Life span
  E. Definition of “monogamy”

  II. Cultural Implications of Promiscuity

  Conclusion
  Appendix A
  Definitional Impediments to Research
  Endnotes

  http://www.catholiceducation.org/articles/homosexuality/ho0075.html

  i know you will attack it because they are catholic, but that only goes to show you, and not i, are the biggot….

  after you are done….tell us how we should be proud to teach our children that the sodomites are “normal” folk, go ahead…and ill assume that the mental midget tag is in the right place when its stuck on your forehead…..

• 72. js  |  August 28th, 2008 at 11:17 pm

  and there is more…even detailed explainations for mental midgets…so nobody has any excuse to be ignorant of the truth…

  unless they willingly deny the truth….meaning that they prefer to adhere to the ignorance even after they have been given the truth in no uncertain terms….(the real mental midgets…)

  Throughout history, the major civilizations major religions condemned homosexuality.1 Until 1961 homosexual acts were illegal throughout America.

  Gays claim that the “prevailing attitude toward homosexuals in the U.S. and many other countries is revulsion and hostility….for acts and desires not harmful to anyone.”3 The American Psychological Association and the American Public Health Association assured the U.S. Supreme Court in 1986 that “no significant data show that engaging in…oral and anal sex, results in mental or physical dysfunction.”4

  What Homosexuals Do
  The major surveys on homosexual behavior are summarized below. Two things stand out 1) homosexuals behave similarly world-over, and 2) as Harvard Medical Professor, Dr. William Haseltine,33 noted in 1993, the “changes in sexual behavior that have been reported to have occurred in some groups have proved, for the most part, to be transient. For example, bath houses and sex clubs in many cities have either reopened or were never closed.”

  http://www.familyresearchinst.org/FRI_EduPamphlet3.html

• 73. js  |  August 28th, 2008 at 11:26 pm

  so…does citing facts mean that i am mad, or that i fear anything?….absolutely not…citing facts only exposes your immaturity in the face of the truth because you cant dispute them…

  I dont have to fear sodomites…what i fear is thier agenda…thier desire to spread thier disease in schools across the nation…perverting the truth and presenting it to children…by forcing our schools to teach thier lies…

  its wrong…and i am just standing up for whats right….

  unlike you…with your lies about your sexual preference…because nobody with children would ever allow sodomites anywhere near thier kids…unless…they were stupid to start with…or a sodomite hiding behind a marraige in danger….

• 74. MattM  |  August 29th, 2008 at 12:40 am

  JS, you never answered my question. According to your logic - heterosexual people aren’t “moral” because they use their mouths to kiss - which isn’t what they were meant for. Mouths are made for talking and eating. And from all that heterosexual kissing, straight people infect other straight people with herpes - another incurable disease.

  So come on, square those two facts for me. It’s your logic. Please explain how they’re different.

• 75. js  |  August 29th, 2008 at 7:17 am

  you must be blind AND stupid mattm; ill repost my reply so you can be certain to see it;

  70. js | August 28th, 2008 at 11:10 pm
  you sure are stupid mattm…did you get that way all by yourself, or is it genetic…..

  you cant handle the truth…its pretty obvious that you’ll never amount to a hill o’beans till you actually grow up….

• 76. MattM  |  August 29th, 2008 at 1:36 pm

  Thanks JS for proving you have no response to my comment.

• 77. js  |  August 29th, 2008 at 9:42 pm

  no response would be an absence of recognition mattm…i clearly responded…you are just too stupid to figure it out…

  nothings changed

• 78. MattM  |  August 30th, 2008 at 1:58 am

  Let me spell it out for you then:

  Thanks JS for proving you have no intelligentresponse to my comment.

• 79. Philip Chandler  |  September 2nd, 2008 at 11:23 am

  I have read the comments posted on this thread, and am nauseated by the levels of hatred and ignorance on display.

  In the interests of full disclosure — I am openly gay, and some people who know me refer to me as a gay rights activist. I don’t know what criteria a person has to meet in order to be labeled a gay rights activist, but I do know one thing: I am entitled, as an American and as a human being, to equal justice under law.

  The “cause” of homosexuality has not yet been established. Some people believe that recessive genes play a role. Other people believe that hormonal influences on the developing fetus play a role. There have been studies that show a correlation between birth order and sexual orientation. Much research remains to be performed. However, some things are absolutely clear.

  Sexual orientation is not chosen. In common with many of my friends, I have memories of being very different from my male friends at a very young age. I did not know HOW I was different; all that I knew is that I was different at a very deep-seated level.

  It was only when puberty struck, and when my body started to manufacture testosterone and other growth hormones, that the nature of the difference became clear. While my friends were sexually attracted to girls and could not pass five minutes without talking about their sexual exploits, I found myself sexually attracted to my friends. During physical education classes, I had to be careful not to drop my guard; for reasons I will leave for the reader to figure out, I preferred to change and unchange alone. No “choice” was involved — this was simply the way things worked for me, for better or for worse.

  I fell in love with my best friend in my final year of high school. Fortunately, he was (and remains) a kind and decent person who understood more than he ever let on, and we remain good friends to this day. Love is not a matter of choice; were it so, the world would probably be a much more predictable and very boring place.

  I have been sexually active for over two decades, and I have never suffered from a sexually transmitted disease. The “statistics” that purport to show that gay men have an average life span of only 50 years or so were generated by a fraudster named Paul Cameron, who was expelled from the American Psychological Association in the early 1980s for misrepresenting the work of his peers. Cameron then claimed that he was a sociologist, causing the American Sociological Association to take the unusual step of publicly denouncing Cameron and declaring that he was not a sociologist. The Canadian Psychological Association, the Canadian Sociological Association, and other professional bodies all denounced Cameron in the wake of his misrepresentations. A federal district judge, Jerry Buchmeyer, denounced Cameron for misrepresenting himself to the court and perpetrating a fraud upon the Court during proceedings pertaining to a trial involving the Texas “homosexual conduct” statute. Cameron was only licensed to practice psychology in the State of Nebraska, and at the time of writing, his license is in “inactive” status. The journals in which he published his “research” (e.g., “Psychological Reports”) were vanity journals — these are journals which publish material for a fee (a fixed dollar amount per page) as opposed to journals which conduct peer-reviewed selection of meritorious studies. In short, the “statistics” pertaining to longevity and sexually transmitted disease have been shredded by reputable statisticians (for more on this, refer to http://gayequalityandthelaw.blogtownhall.com/2007/07/29/lies,_damned_lies,_and_statistics.thtml).

  There is actually strong evidence to support the contention that homophobic men are repressed homosexuals. See the research conducted by Adams, Wright, and Lohr of the University of Georgia in 1996 for more information — in sum, these researchers demonstrated, with the aid of penile plethysmography, that overtly homophobic men became sexually aroused whilst watching videos portraying graphic gay sexual activity, whereas non-homophobic men showed no such arousal or interest.

  The US Supreme Court has recognized that gay men and lesbians are entitled to the protections afforded minorities under the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment (see Romer v. Evans, 517 U.S. 620 (1996) and that gay men and lesbians are entitled to engage in intimate sexual activity without fear of punishment by the state (see Lawrence v. Texas, 539 U.S. 558 (2003)).

  For the record — and I refer here to the ridiculous post in which JS stated that heterosexual parents would never leave their children in the company of “sodomites” — I am an uncle, and have been left to watch over my niece and nephew on many occasions. Be careful of what you write, JS — you make it fulsomely clear that you are pig-ignorant.

  PHILIP CHANDLER

• 80. Philip Chandler  |  September 2nd, 2008 at 11:57 am

  JS writes “In fact, I think there should be a “childless tax”, a “gay tax”, an all-around “flake tax”, for men and women over the age of 30 with no kids. Gay or straight. I supply my kids with the implements and services they need for 18 years or more of job training – while you sip expensive wines and vacation in Bermuda – and then when you retire my kids will be working to pay your Social Security? That’s a massive rip-off. You should be taxed, starting today, for refusing to accept any responsibility for continuing human existence…You can adopt some abandoned kid if you want to avoid the childless tax.”

  ********
  Response:
  ********

  The current threat to human existence is not the result of people refusing to have children; it is just the opposite. China has a population of 1.3 billion (billion, not million). Every week, another coal-fired electricity station goes online in China. The USA currently has a population of about 303 million, and the US Census Bureau anticipates a population of 439 million by the year 2050. It is clear, just by looking at the populations of these two nations alone, that the human race faces no danger of extinction due to contraception or birth control.

  Furthermore, we are stinking up our own planet. Whether or not you believe in global warming, the hard, cold fact is that temperatures are rising and the ecosystem is taking strain.

  But let’s look at the heart of your complaint. You are upset because your children will have to support older people, including people who choose not to have children.

  BRINGING CHILDREN INTO THE WORLD WAS YOUR CHOICE!

  Nobody forced you to bring children into the world. Nobody told you that you had to being children into the world. There is no moral, cultural, or social imperative to bring yet additional hungry mouths into a world that is already struggling to accommodate the demands of those who have already been born. When you brought children into the world, you did so because you wanted to do so. You made a conscious lifestyle choice in doing so. Yet you wish to pass the buck on to those of us who either chose not to have children or are unable to have children without technological assistance (because of our sexual orientation)?

  Shame on you! If you want children so much, then you must be prepared to face the consequences of bringing them into the world. It is your DUTY to provide those children with the educational and social skills that they will need in order to “make it” in society. Don’t attack gay men and lesbians, or heterosexuals who choose not to have children, because of what you perceive to be an unfairness in the current social order.

  While we are on the subject — we ALREADY pay a tax for not having children! I am single (although I hope that will change when gay marriage becomes legal), and I pay a greater share of my income to the IRS than a married person with children would do. You ALREADY get a tax break for your decision to buy a house in the suburbs and breed. You get this tax break in the form of personal exemptions and other deductions that you can take but which are not available to me. So you ALREADY have your wish — people such as me ALREADY pay a tax for our decision not to have children.

  So what is it, exactly, that you are complaining about?

  PHILIP CHANDLER

• 81. js  |  September 2nd, 2008 at 10:13 pm

  the only real thing you said was that you are a sodomite philip

  you are so stupid

  you accredit me for writting something i didnt write, which shows me that you are not the sharpest pencil in the box

  and you try to inject unfounded speculation as fact, when in reality, its a lie, there is no test showing that the desire to commit sodomy has anything to do with genetics, dna or hormones as far as that goes…you “gay” activists always use lies as the truth, and thats because the truth is not in you

  homosexuality is a rotten tree…nothing good can come from that tree…nature herself rejects the abomination….and nothing you can do or say will change that…

• 82. js  |  September 2nd, 2008 at 10:19 pm

  BRINGING CHILDREN INTO THE WORLD WAS YOUR CHOICE!

  bravo phillip

  and your parents brought you into the world, it was thier choice….

  but you? no…you are a sodomite…you will have no children…you dont even know what sex is for…you use those parts of your body for unnatural things…selfish lusts….and want a civil right to do it…

  there is no laws of nature, nor in natures god, that protects sexual perversions…for a little while you can struggle against the tide…but in the end it will wash you away….to be forgotten by nature…and us…and our children….and our childrens children…they wont know you…nature will insure that….

• 83. js  |  September 2nd, 2008 at 10:22 pm

  “It is your DUTY to provide those children with the educational and social skills that they will need in order to “make it” in society.”

  I agree.

  We have a duty to teach them the whole truth.

  PATHOPHYSIOLOGY OF MALE HOMOSEXUALITY

  Prepared for the
  Committee to Study Homosexuality of The United Methodist Church
  by James W. Holsinger Jr., M.D.
  Committee Member
  January 14, 1991

  During the course of the meetings of the Committee to Study Homosexuality, biology has come to mean the nonpsychological causation of homosexuality. However, biology also means “the division of physical science which deals with organized beings or animals and plants, their morphology, physiology, origin, and distribution” (Oxford English Dictionary, 1971). I believe that we must seriously consider the scientific disciplines of anatomy (structure or morphology), physiology (function), pathology (abnormal anatomy), and pathophysiology (abnormal function). Not to do so would simply fail to be true to our charge as a committee.

  There is absolute consensus in the scientific community concerning the structure and function of the human alimentary [pertaining to the digestive tract] and reproductive systems. These two systems are absolutely separate since the human does not possess a cloaca. Reproduction can occur only by utilizing the reproductive system, requiring both the female ovum (egg) and the male sperm. Ova are fertilized naturally in the fallopian tubes of women following sexual intercourse by the sperm which transits through the vagina and uterus following release from the penis. Although artificial methods are available and used, the anatomy and physiology of humans have resulted in a natural means for conception.

  The structure and function of the male and female human reproductive systems are fully complementary. Anatomically he vagina is designed to receive the penis. It is lined with squamous epithelium and is surrounded by a muscular tube intended for penile intromission. The rectum, on the other hand, is lined with a delicate mucosal surface and a single layer of columnar epithelium intenuea primarily for the reabsorption of water and electrolytes. The rectum is incapable of mechanical protection against abrasion and severe damage to the colonic mucosa can result if objects that are large, sharp, or pointed are inserted into the rectum (Agnew, 1986).

  The anus and rectum, unlike the vagina contain no natural lubricating function. Thus insertion of unlubricated objects or inadequate dilation of the anus before insertion of a large object can result in tissue laceration. “The internal and external anal sphincters are elastic rings of muscle which generally remain tightly constricted except during defecation. The anal sphincters are also intended for material to pass through them in a direction that leads out of the body. When an attempt is made to insert something in the reverse direction, the muscles of the sphincter constrict” (Agnew, 1986).

  From the perspective of pathology and pathophysiology, the varied sexual practices of homosexual men have resulted in a diverse and expanded concept of sexually transmitted disease and associated trauma. “Four general groups of conditions may be encountered in homosexually active men: classical sexually transmitted diseases (gonorrhea, infections with chlamydia trachomatis, syphilis, herpes simplex infections, genital warts, pubic lice, scabies); enteric diseases (infections with Shigella species, Campylobacter jejuni, Entamoeba histolytica, Giardia lamblia, hepatitis A, hepatitis B, hepatitis non-A, non-B, and cytomegalovirus); trauma (fecal incontinence, hemorrhoids, anal fissure, foreign bodies, rectosigmoid tears, allergic proctitis, penile edema, chemical sinusitis, inhaled nitrite burns, and sexual assault of the male patient); and the acquired immunodeficiency syndrome (AIDS)” (Owen, 1985).

  http://americansfortruth.com/news/surgeon-general-nominee-dr-james-holsingers-1991-paper-pathophysiology-of-male-homosexuality.html

  medical science does not lie

• 84. Philip Chandler  |  September 3rd, 2008 at 2:27 am

  Great job of cutting and pasting, JS. But what have you actually contributed to the debate that is new? You seem to enjoy using the word “sodomite” as though this word is imbued with magical properties…

  We are discussing a civil rights issue here. The trend in US society has been one of greater and greater acceptance of gay people and their rights, and your type is fast losing the struggle to hide us and to shut us up…

  Sorry that pains you, but you are an adult and will get over it with the passage of time.

  PHILIP CHANDLER

• 85. Philip Chandler  |  September 3rd, 2008 at 3:00 am

  JS — you also failed, utterly, to address the material that I included about human demographics and the fact that we are in no danger, as a species, of suffering extinction due to inadequate birth rates. To the contrary, we are fast stinking up our own ecosystem, and the greatest danger we face is one of overpopulation and overdevelopment of our natural resources. If anything, those of us who refuse to have children should be applauded for not adding to the existing burden.

  Of course, you failed to address these points. Instead, you cut and pasted a lengthy spiel about pathogenesis. You completely ignored the fact that I have never suffered from a sexually transmitted disease, despite the fact that I have been sexually active for over two decades now.

  Why not post something original? Would it be so difficult to refute the material that I posted?

  I come from a large, blended family — both parents remarried and had children by their new marriages, as well as by their first marriages. I know that my place in history has been assured by the work that I have done, developing computer systems that are used to this day by major Wall Street investment banking institutions and other financial services firms. Contrary to your assertions, I have contributed to society and am proud of the work I have done in my efforts to make this world a better place.

  What have you done, other than to write ugly and mean-spirited diatribes against gay men and lesbians? What can you point to with pride and assurance? If your children are anything like you, then you have failed at your primary task of raising decent Americans. Let’s hear from you on this point — have you had children, and have you taught them how to love?

  The bottom line is that somewhere between 4% and 10% of the male population is exclusively, or predominately, homosexual. With the passage of time, nations throughout the world have adopted statutory structures to recognize and to accept gay relationships. Gay marriage is now available in The Netherlands, Belgium, Spain, South Africa, Canada, and Norway (Norway became the latest nation to recognize gay marriage in all respects about three months ago). Gay marriage is available in substance, but not in name, in Germany, the UK, Denmark, Sweden, Finland, Iceland, New Zealand, Uruguay, and other nations (where such unions are referred to as civil unions or civil partnerships). Even South American nations are warming to the idea, and these unions offer to gay participants all of the legal rights and responsibilities of marriage, without the name. Here in the US, gay marriage is now recognized in three states (Massachusetts and California permit gay couples to marry, whereas New York recognizes out-of-state gay marriages if those marriages are legal in the states where they are solemnized). Even if Californians vote to repeal gay marriage at the state constitutional level in November 2008 (a possibility that is becoming more and more remote with the passage of time), it will still be possible for gay couples in New York to marry in Massachusetts and then return to New York as married couples. The author of DOMA has stated his intention to introduce a bill to repeal that section of DOMA that prohibits federal recognition of gay marriages.

  When viewed through this lens, it becomes clear that gay marriage is here to stay. There will be obstacles and setbacks, as is always the case when a minority stakes its claim for the first time. The trend, however, is clear: nation after nation is recognizing gay relationships.

  I was born and raised in South Africa — a very conservative country. The South African constitution is the only constitution in the world to codify a prohibition (in both the private and public sectors) against discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation. The Canadian constitution is almost as generous in terms of the guarantees it affords gay citizens. Compared to these nations, the US remains hopelessly backwards — but times are fast changing, and changing for the better.

  As I said earlier — while this may upset you, the sooner you get used to it, the better off you will be…

  PHILIP CHANDLER

• 86. Philip Chandler  |  September 3rd, 2008 at 4:08 am

  I should have clarified an important point pertaining to US constitutional law.

  It is primarily through interpretation of the Due Process Clauses that the US Supreme Court has held that the US Constitution includes a guarantee of a right to privacy. The Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments both include Due Process Clauses. The Due Process Clause of the Fifth Amendment is binding on the US government, whereas the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment is binding on the states.

  Whereas the Fourteenth Amendment also includes a specific, textual guarantee of the equal protection of the laws (the Equal Protection Clause), the Fifth Amendment includes no such textual reference. However, the US Supreme Court held that the Fifth Amendment’s Due Process Clause subsumes an equal protection component (see Bolling v. Sharpe, 347 U.S. 497 (1954), in which decision the Court held it to be inconceivable that the states must abide by an equal protection guarantee without such a guarantee being made binding on the US government itself).

  In addition to mandating that the states not deprive citizens within their jurisdictions of life, liberty, or property without due process of law, the Fourteenth Amendment’s Due Process Clause has also been the vehicle whereby almost all of the guarantees enunciated by the Bill of Rights (the first 10 Amendments to the US Constitution) have been made binding on the states. This principle is referred to as incorporation — it is through incorporation under the Due Process Clause that almost all of the guarantees enunciated in the Bill of Rights have been made binding on the states.

  The Fourteenth Amendment also includes a Privileges or Immunities Clause, and most constitutional scholars believe that the Privileges or Immunities Clause should have been the appropriate vehicle for assuring that the guarantees afforded people against the US government be made binding against the states too. Unfortunately, this Clause was virtually written out of the Constitution by one of two decisions (constitutional scholars have been squabbling about which decision did the damage for some time now) handed down in the 1870s. Most scholars blame the Miller Court for doing this damage in Slaughterhouse Cases, 83 U.S. 36 (1872); however, other scholars blame the Waite Court for doing this damage in United States v. Cruikshank, 92 U.S. 542 (1875). Either way, the Privileges or Immunities Clause fell into desuetude, and no line of decisional law rested on this Clause until 1999, when the US Supreme Court potentially reinvigorated this Clause in Saenz v. Roe, 526 U.S. 489 (1999). The bottom line is that the Due Process Clause has been the primary vehicle employed by the Court to shape and guarantee the right to privacy. It is through interpretation of this Clause that we enjoy the right to use contraceptives, the right to teach our children foreign languages, the right to bring our children up according to the dictates of our consciences, the right to marry people who are not of the same race, and the right to enter into intimate sexual relations with members of the same sex.

  (The Fourth Amendment is more specific, and pertains to the circumstances under which the police powers of the state may be brought to bear in searches and seizures of property; the US Supreme Court, in Griswold v. Connecticut, 381 U.S. 479 (1965), made explicit reference to this Amendment in striking down a ban on the purcahse and sale of contraceptives. The Third Amendment, with its prohibition against forcing citizens to quarter soldiers unless so prescribed by law, adds another facet to the right to privacy. The Ninth Amendment has also been adduced as a source of a constitutional right to privacy. Clearly, issues surrounding the right to privacy are considerably more complex than meets the eye.)

  My right to live my life on my own terms, free from being branded a criminal because of my sexual orientation, is a right of a high order. This was made clear in Lawrence v. Texas, 539 U.S. 558 (2003), in which case the Court struck down ALL state sodomy laws as applied to consensual sexual activity of a non-commercial nature occurring between adults in private settings. That is not just an assertion — that is now a fact, as a matter of law.

  To put this more simply — my life is not up for debate!

  You do not get to criminalize me on the basis of your personal animus towards gay men and lesbians.

  There is something else about your messages that strikes me. Your messages evoke the old quotation “The lady doth protest too much, methinks.”

  I wonder if you even know what this means.

  PHILIP CHANDLER

• 87. js  |  September 3rd, 2008 at 7:42 am

  “to put it more simply”

  then again…the rhetoric you are spewing really doesnt change the truth….you get on me about cut and paste, when i put factual information in front of your eyes that describes the medical facts that you didnt even try to rebutt…

  you have been measured…and fall into the mental midget realm of irrelevance…

  tell us, are you one of the 70%? do you carry a deadly, sexually transmitted disease like 2 out of 3 sodomites do?….because it seems to have addled your brain…either that or you are truely as stupid as i said you were in the last round…why call it “gay”? is there anything gay about dying young because of this fool errand you are on? why call it homosexual…the term paints a misnomer over the reality…for centuries your ilk was called sodomites…because that is what you do…and in fact…that is what you are…so if you are ashamed of the truth, object as loud as you want…

  the right to privacy is a guarantee (yet, not absolute) but did you notice the words private….as it pertains to the public…and the fact that the sodomite exploitation of sympathy for their perversion is caused by thier actions, which are thier own death sentence…just think, who would compare the idiocy of sexual identity dysfunction with racial status, like other morons of your status…certainly not you right…because you know you cant change a persons race…but as well…if you perverts confuse enough children…you can coerce thier beliefs and thier sexuality….to thier own detriment….as long as they dont know the whole truth…..

  that where i fit in..with the whole truth…and thats why you hate me…and thats why you can never be rid of me…because i am the voice of sanity and i oppose your lies and misrepresentations…and its so easy….because the truth never changes…its the same today as it was yesterday, and will be the same forever….while you goose step to find the latest attempts to over come me…you will fail…every time….guaranteed….

  and if it were so great in south africa or cananda, why dont you go there…why stay here in the land that was created to justify the laws of nature, and natures God?…do you fail to realise the implication of your perversion on society…and the rot that deviant sexual behavior is…or are you not intelligent enough to see beyond the rhetoric…addicted to your selfish lusts…so confused in your misconcieved image of love and lust..that your minds grasp of reality is mislead by years of abnormal use…so that you just are not intelligent enough to figure it all out…but smart enought to be stupid enough to come here…and try to put on some holier than thou lecture up…. in your feeble attempt to confront the truth by injecting nothing original…but pure, unadulturated rhetoric that you yourself have no clue if it is right or wrong, true or false…and as evidence of that fact…i have already pointed to topics you brought that were absolute lies and misrepresented, yet you continue to ramble on and on as ignorant of the truth as you ever were….

  in my part of the world, we call you a genuine sucker…because you dont have what it takes to logically follow the facts to conclusion…preferring instead…to follow the lies because you are both lazy and stupid and unwilling to deny the truth because of your addiction to your self and your deviant sexual behavior…ive seen you before…other names…other personalities….you dont change….your failings are as consistent as day follows night….

• 88. js  |  September 3rd, 2008 at 8:11 am

  “Gay” Sex Kills……

  Just the Facts Ma’am

  By recently admitting that “HIV is a gay disease,” Matt Foreman, outgoing Executive Director of the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force, acknowledged what the medical community has known for decades: the homosexual lifestyle is extremely high-risk and often leads to disease and even death.

  In fact, multiple studies have established that homosexual conduct, especially among males, is considerably more hazardous to one’s health than a lifetime of chain smoking.

  To the consternation of “gay” activist flat-earthers and homosexual AIDS holocaust deniers everywhere, one such study - conducted by pro-”gay” researchers in Canada - was published in the International Journal of Epidemiology (IJE) in 1997. (see the study here: http://ije.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/reprint/26/3/657.pdf )

  While the medical consensus is that smoking knocks from two to 10 years off an individual’s life expectancy, the IJE study found that homosexual conduct shortens the lifespan of “gays” by an astounding “8 to 20 years” - more than twice that of smoking.

  “[U]nder even the most liberal assumptions,” concluded the study, “gay and bisexual men in this urban centre are now experiencing a life expectancy similar to that experienced by all men in Canada in the year 1871. … [L]ife expectancy at age 20 years for gay and bisexual men is 8 to 20 years less than for all men.”

  This morose reality makes a strong case for a fitting redefinition of so-called “homophobia,” that being “Homophobia: The rational fear that ‘gay sex’ will kill you!”

  The fact that we don’t have mandatory surgeon general warnings on the side of condom wrappers is a testament to the power and influence wielded by the radical homosexual lobby. (Warning: Male-male anal sodomy has been proven to shorten your lifespan by up to 20 years.)

  Not surprisingly, that same homosexual lobby and its codependent enablers in the mainstream media moved quickly to sweep the IJE study under the rug. Under tremendous pressure, the researchers who conducted the study even jumped into the political damage control fray issuing a statement which read, “[W]e do not condone the use of our research in a manner that restricts the political or human rights of gay and bisexual men or any other group.”

  http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2008/apr/08042101.html

• 89. js  |  September 3rd, 2008 at 8:19 am

  Yeah, so?

  Of course, that’s all just worthless fluff. All the political spin in the world doesn’t change reality, nor does it eliminate the study’s disturbing conclusions or practical implications. The research left ZERO wiggle room for anyone who would argue that homosexuality is a “perfectly normal and healthy alternative sexual orientation.”

  The risks associated with homosexual conduct are so drastic, in fact, that U.S. health regulations prohibit men who have sex with men (MSM) and women who have had sex with MSM, from even donating blood.

  Consider that, according to the Food and Drug Administration, MSM, “have an HIV prevalence 60 times higher than the general population, 800 times higher than first time blood donors and 8,000 times higher than repeat blood donors.”

  Adults and children who engage in homosexual conduct, especially males, are also susceptible, at an astronomical rate, to nearly all other forms of sexually transmitted disease (STD). For example, the Hepatitis B virus is about five to six times more prevalent among “gays,” and Hepatitis C is twice as common.

  But perhaps most shocking are today’s syphilis rates among homosexual men and adolescents. A recent study conducted by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) found that although homosexuals comprise only a fraction of the population (one to two percent), they account for an epidemic 64 percent of all syphilis cases.

• 90. Philip Chandler  |  September 3rd, 2008 at 8:19 am

  It amazes me that people have largely ignored the impassioned rant of Mark Noonan (personally, I have never heard of him before) at the top of this comment thread. Noonan asserts that “acceptance of gay marriage is far, far down the road if it ever comes at all…”

  I don’t know what made Noonan jump to this conclusion. Surely he has followed opinion polls in California? Support for Proposition 8 has dropped to about 40%, and the dynamics of gay marriage are such that, with the passage of time, those who oppose gay marriage find it harder and harder to ram through any measure that will repeal gay marriage in those jurisdictions where gay marriage is recognized.

  Massachusetts is a case in point. In 2003, the Supreme Judicial Court of Massachusetts handed down a decision holding that the state constitution prohibited the Department of Health from denying marriage licenses to gay couples. Those who oppose gay marriage did everything in their power to reverse the result of this decision by introducing a measure to amend the state constitution to prohibit gay marriages from being recognized within the state. Opponents of gay marriage gave this their best shot — but despite lobbying every legislator in sight, they fell five votes short of the number of votes required by the legislature to put this question to the people of the state using the referendum process. They will not get another opportunity to put this question to the voters until 2012. Any political scientist will acknowledge that the first shot that anti-marriage forces had was their best shot. These anti-marriage forces failed, and gay marriage is now assured in Massachusetts until 2012. The burden will fall to these people to show that gay marriage has led to a collapse of society if they are to have any hope of putting this question to the voters in 2012 — and many anti-marriage equality figures have acknowledged that they have lost the fight in Massachusetts.

  As for California — the political hacks at the Family Research Council (FRC), the American Family Association (AFA), and other right-wing groups have stated that the outcome in California will determine the fate of heterosexual-only marriage throughout the country. For more on this, visit the FRC at http://www.frc.org. The bottom line is that a loss on the part of right-wing forces in California in November will signal the collapse of heterosexual-only marriage nationwide as people from all over the country travel to California and Massachusetts and then return to their home states seeking recognition of their marriages. The hard right is terrified of this and has made it clear that it considers California to be the end of the fight — if they lose in California, they say that they will have lost completely…

  PHILIP CHANDLER

• 91. Philip Chandler  |  September 3rd, 2008 at 8:30 am

  JS continues to spew forth the ravings of Paul Cameron — make no mistake, his statements about gay men living 20 years less than heterosexual men are pure Paul Cameron garbage that has been debunked (see the article that I wrote at http://gayequalityandthelaw.blogtownhall.com/2007/07/29/lies,_damned_lies,_and_statistics.thtml, in which I exposed this tripe for the garbage that it represents. Every now and then, JS throws in a study by a reputable researcher, albeit by adopting a highly selective view of the research data from a highly selective position in which he abuses legitimate research in his efforts to conflate this research with Cameron’s propaganda. Rather like the demon in the movie “The Exorcist”, JS is a liar — but he mixes lies with the truth, in order to attack us.

  You have not responded one jot to the hard, cold facts that I gave you about changes in the law, and about how gay marriage is becoming more and more acceptable to more and more people in more and more nations. I would think that a person who believes that all gay men are promiscuous would welcome gay marriage, because gay marriage exerts a stabilizing force on relationships and acts to channel those relationships along monogamous lines. But no — JS is so blinded by his hatred of gay men in particular (notice that he says absolutely nothing about lesbians) that I am again forced to conclude that he does not understand the significance of the expression: “The lady doth protest too much, methinks.”

  PHILIP CHANDLER

• 92. Philip Chandler  |  September 3rd, 2008 at 8:44 am

  Js’s comment #87 is so filled with lies, hateful attacks, abuse, inaccuracies, slander, name-calling, and overall nastiness that I am beginning to wonder whether it is possible that JS is in desperate need of psychiatric help. He seems unable to write a single sentence without using the word “sodomite,” and seems unable to lift his mind out of the gutter. I can argue with any person who presents me with facts that call for responses, but the shrill and desperate tone of JS and his messages is actually rather frightening. This is the true face of homophobia, and it should be required reading for anybody who wants to study social attitudes towards gay men in the USA.

  The reason I don’t go back to South Africa, JS, is because I am entitled, as an American, to do what I can to change American society for the better. And that means changing the laws so as to ensure that I receive equal justice under law — as carved in stone above the pediment of the US Supreme Court building. That is why I have not gone back to South Africa. I would rather fight to make the USA a better place to live than go back to South Africa. Can you understand that? Can you get your head around that?

  Thank you, JS, for showing strangers to this thread just how hateful and ugly you are, and just how much of a struggle we have to go through as a nation in order to purge ourselves of your type.

  PHILIP CHANDLER

• 93. js  |  September 3rd, 2008 at 8:59 am

  sorry phillip, it really doesnt matter what you want to be true…things dont work that way…you can not make your lie the truth

  no matter how many hours you spend on it

• 94. Philip Chandler  |  September 3rd, 2008 at 9:02 am

  As I said, JS — the lady doth protest too much, methinks…..

  Do you know what that means?

  PHILIP CHANDLER

• 95. js  |  September 3rd, 2008 at 9:03 am

  Trail of Deception
  In 1993 the mainstream media trumpeted the news that researchers had found proof that homosexuality is innate, genetic, and a normal behavior within a predictable percentage of the population. News stories generally suggested that these new discoveries only confirmed what homosexuals had been saying all along, and showed that those who have disapproved of homosexuality are either ignorant, biased, or both.

  The only problem was that the findings (those by Simon Levay and Dean Hamer in particular) were faulty, and the stories were false. By misusing terms such as “heritable,” the early press releases had implied a genetic link. Responsible researchers, however, actually use this term, “heritable,” to indicate a range of physical and environmental factors that may contribute to a particular behavior, but not a “hard-wired behavior” or “a gene” that can be passed from parent to child.

  Subsequent to the press sensation, scientists at Yale, MIT, Columbia, and Washington University School of Medicine discounted the findings in all the studies and denied that any of the data or statistical analysis could substantiate any such claim of a so-called “gay gene.” Some experts even indicated that a proper interpretation of the data would most likely lead to the precise opposite interpretation. But these conclusions, indicating (once again) that homosexuality is a learned behavior and not a genetic trait, went mostly unreported by the press.

  Over the past twenty years homosexuals have waged a relentless campaign to focus the debate on “rights” instead of “behavior.” In the age of civil rights they understood that their chances of misleading the nation and winning public acceptance would be much better if they appeared to be an oppressed minority than if they revealed what they actually do behind closed doors.

  Blacks and Hispanics who have won legitimate civil rights struggles, however, are rightfully among the most offended by the claims of the activists and the media. General Colin Powell, in his opposition to gays in the military, said that, “Skin color is a benign, nonbehavioral characteristic. Sexual orientation is perhaps the most profound of human behavioral characteristics. Comparison of the two is a convenient but invalid argument.” Skin color is morally neutral and tells nothing about the character of the person. Sexual behavior, on the other hand, has everything to do with character and morality.

  It is not incidental that homosexual behavior has been punished and discouraged from earliest times. Civilized societies have always promoted traditional families, founded on a life-long commitment of marriage between a man and a woman and the bearing and/or adoption of children. Promotion and encouragement of traditional families has allowed society to prosper, to reproduce itself, to avoid sexually-transmitted diseases, and to provide healthy nurture and training for future generations.

  http://www.leaderu.com/issues/fabric/chap11.html

• 96. js  |  September 3rd, 2008 at 9:05 am

  Some statistics about the Homosexual lifestyle:

  * One study reports 70% of homosexuals admitting to having sex only one time with over 50% of their partners (3)
  * One study reports that the average homosexual has between 20 and 106 partners per year (6). The average heterosexual has 8 partners in a lifetime
  * Many homosexual sexual encounters occur while drunk, high on drugs, or in an orgy setting (7)
  * Many homosexuals don’t pay heed to warnings of their lifestyles: “Knowledge of health guidelines was quite high, but this knowledge had no relation to sexual behavior” (16)
  * Homosexuals got homosexuality removed from the list of mental illnesses in the early 70s by storming the annual American Psychiatric Association (APA) conference on successive years. “Guerrilla theater tactics and more straight-forward shouting matches characterized their presence” (2). Since homosexuality has been removed from the APA list of mental illnesses, so has pedophilia (except when the adult feels “subjective distress”) (27)
  * Homosexuals account for 3-4% of all gonorrhea cases, 60% of all syphilis cases, and 17% of all hospital admissions (other than for STDs) in the United States (5). They make up only 1-2% of the population
  * Homosexuals live unhealthy lifestyles, and have historically accounted for the bulk of syphilis, gonorrhea, Hepatitis B, the “gay bowel syndrome” (which attacks the intestinal tract), tuberculosis and cytomegalovirus (27)
  * 73% of psychiatrists say homosexuals are less happy than the average person, and of those psychiatrists, 70% say that the unhappiness is NOT due to social stigmatization (13)
  * 25-33% of homosexuals and lesbians are alcoholics (11)
  * Of homosexuals questioned in one study reports that 43% admit to 500 or more partners in a lifetime, 28% admit to 1000 or more in a lifetime, and of these people, 79% say that half of those partners are total strangers, and 70% of those sexual contacts are one night stands (or, as one homosexual admits in the film “The Castro”, one minute stands) (3). Also, it is a favorite past-time of many homosexuals to go to “cruisy areas” and have anonymous sex
  * 78% of homosexuals are affected by STDs (20)
  * Judge John Martaugh, chief magistrate of the New York City Criminal Court has said, “Homosexuals account for half the murders in large cities” (10)
  * Captain William Riddle of the Los Angeles Police says, “30,000 sexually abused children in Los Angeles were victims of homosexuals” (10)
  * 50% of suicides can be attributed to homosexuals (10)
  * Dr. Daniel Capron, a practicing psychiatrist, says, “Homosexuality by definition is not healthy and wholesome. The homosexual person, at best, will be unhappier and more unfulfilled than the sexually normal person” (10). For other psychiatrists who believe that homosexuality is wrong, please see National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality
  * It takes approximately $300,000 to take care of each AIDS victim, so thanks to the promiscuous lifestyle of homosexuals, medical insurance rates have been skyrocketing for all of us(10)
  * Homosexuals were responsible for spreading AIDS in the United States, and then raised up violent groups like Act Up and Ground Zero to complain about it. Even today, homosexuals account for well over 50% of the AIDS cases in the United States, which is quite a large number considering that they account for only 1-2% of the population
  * Homosexuals account for a disproportionate number of hepatitis cases: 70-80% in San Francisco, 29% in Denver, 66% in New York City, 56% in Toronto, 42% in Montreal, and 26% in Melbourne (8)
  * 37% of homosexuals engage in sadomasochism, which accounts for many accidental deaths. In San Francisco, classes were held to teach homosexuals how to not kill their partners during sadomasochism (8)
  * 41% of homosexuals say they have had sex with strangers in public restrooms, 60% say they have had sex with strangers in bathhouses, and 64% of these encounters have involved the use of illegal drugs (8)
  * Depending on the city, 39-59% of homosexuals are infected with intestinal parasites like worms, flukes and amoebae, which is common in filthy third world countries (8)
  * T