Obama Speech Open Thread
August 28th, 2008 at 10:12pm Mark Noonan
Within the parameters of what Obama might say, does say or has said in the past, have at it, boys and girls.
Errrmmm….you can also make fun of any other Democrat who comes to mind…
UPDATE, 10:12 PM ET: Obama takes the stage.. let the crazy talk begin.
UPDATE, by Matt Margolis: From reading the prepared remarks… I see the same talking points we’ve heard the past few days… the same lame attacks on McCain and Bush…
Guess what Obama, the economy was doing just fine until your party took control of congress.
He’s spent more time attacking John McCain then explaining why he can do anything he claims to do.
UPDATE, 11:28 PM, by Matt Margolis: What sticks out the most about the speech was the negativity. I think it was a major mistake for him to be so negative. He lacked specifics. He attacked John McCain and Republicans endlessly, then claimed to be able to unite the country. Obama could never unite this country.
UPDATE: Media Lizzy posts the McCain campaigns reaction to Obama’s speech.
Associated Press Analysis: Obama spares details, keeps up attacks
UPDATE: From Obama’s speech: “If you don’t have a record to run on, then you paint your opponent as someone people should run from.”
Umm, yeah, that pretty much describes what Obama has been doing during his campaign. He has no record to run on, and he’s trying to make people afraid of John McCain. The RNC and McCain campaign should jump on that line.
Entry Filed under: Announcements, Campaign 2008, DNC08, Democrats
88 Comments
1. hermie | August 28th, 2008 at 1:02 pm
He will take credit for the success in Iraq because his speeches forced the Bush administration to accept his timetable for withdrawal presented back in 2005..2006…2007..2008.
He will also claim that the GOP is targeting with smears and racist remarks, while women faint Chris Matthews gets a thrill up his legs and Keith Obermann unveils his non-partisan, ‘Vote for Obama’ TV show.
2. Sunny | August 28th, 2008 at 1:17 pm
Mark, will you invite us next week to do the same for the Republican convention and John McCain’s speech?
I think Barack Obama will give a very inspirational speech tonight and will address the issues that are most important to Americans at this time - the ecomomy, dependency on foreign oil, the Iraqi War, health care for all Americans. You know, those issues that affect our everyday lives. Watch it and see. You might even like it.
3. hermie | August 28th, 2008 at 1:26 pm
He will have his ‘words from the pulpit’-style speech for sure. He will address issues, but present no real solutions except ‘tax the rich’ ,’tax the oil companies’, and give ‘free’ healthcare to everyone.
4. WhatChange | August 28th, 2008 at 1:31 pm
BO
1 economy–tax the rich, “excess profit tax” on evil big oil
2 Dependency on foreign oil–whatever you do, don’t drill for more. Put air in your tires.
3 Iraq war–cut and run–don’t fund the troops–no to the surge
4 health care–socialize–look at Britian,
Cuba and Canada for the ideal system
Bevis/Butthead08
5. WhatChange | August 28th, 2008 at 1:44 pm
I bet Barry clears up all of the Ayers Swiftboating efforts. For the facts, check this out.
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=MmUwOTllNmMzZDNlMTljMGFmY2JkZTllYmQyOTY0ODY=
6. Herkimer X. Arbuthnot | August 28th, 2008 at 1:51 pm
Will they be passing out American Flags tonight?
Will the flags be in the trash tomorrow?
7. Herkimer X. Arbuthnot | August 28th, 2008 at 1:54 pm
Oh, wait … I see now; those flags in the trash only have fifty stars.
How do you arrange 57 stars correctly?
8. Salamandro | August 28th, 2008 at 2:01 pm
You guys always crack me up.
BO has assembled a team that beat HC. No small feat.
He’s a Harvard grad. He speaks well. He has an inspriational quality about him.
He went to Iraq and to Europe and did well.
So well you slandered him for looking too “Presidential”.
Should he seem like some country hayseed? Maybe from Texas?
You twist his words saying his energy plan encompasses nothing more “than filling you tires with air” WHEN YOU KNOW THERE IS MORE TO HIS PLAN THEN YOUR SPIN.
You call him elitist when your candidate has so many houses he doesn’t remember?
You call him elitist when he came from a single family home and WORKED his way up.
His father was NOT an Admiral.
You say he is inexperienced when you support and pray at the feet of some hayseed Texas bumpkin that can’t put a complete sentence together?
He bumps fists with his wife and the media calls it a “terrorist” hand signal. Please.
He is married to his first wife and is raising wonderful children.
He is going to make a speech in front of a stage of columns and THIS IS A BIG DEAL?
Tell me more about media bias. Tell me more abuout media manipulation.
You know, I remember the day when the people on this blog HATED McCain.
The people on this blog demonstrate over and over that you…
would lose your country in order win a politcal campaign.
9. jayhay | August 28th, 2008 at 2:02 pm
Well if you aren’t into the Obama get together, check this out: “Tickets are still available for Sen. John McCain’s Friday, Aug. 29, rally at Wright State University’s Nutter Center in Fairborn.”
That’s just too easy…
10. WhatChange | August 28th, 2008 at 2:08 pm
“You say he is inexperienced when you support and pray at the feet of some hayseed Texas bumpkin that can’t put a complete sentence together?”
Obama is from Texas?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omHUsRTYFAU
11. jayhay | August 28th, 2008 at 2:11 pm
Reagan made it clear that the way to win an election was through hope. Of course the Republican party now has forgotten all that, and now thinks it’s cool to trash optimism in what America is capable of. (And McCain was a POW, btw.)
Great message guys. I’m going with the promise of a better future, and you guys can have cynical fear-mongering. I don’t know if Obama can win, but I do know that I’ll be very proud to vote for him, and I’ll take that pride however it shakes out.
And next week we get to see three days of build up to McCain taking the stage and then…Zzzzzzzzz… Unless hurricane Gustav makes it more dramatic…
12. WhatChange | August 28th, 2008 at 2:13 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qp0hU1THjuc
I “Hope” Obama has improved his speaking ability.
13. Salamandro | August 28th, 2008 at 2:21 pm
Do we have to revisit the LONG pauses when McCain can’t even put an answer together?
Kind of like birth control? Kind of like how many houses he owns? Kind of like what HONOR means?
Please, if this is all you’ve got, get real. LAME.
Inexperienced my arse. You’ve got a man who will fill his cabinet positions with the best America has to offer. I am confident he will assemble a team which will put America first.
If you want more of the same…well…I think that answer is obvious.
Please, BO is not the answer to all prayers. Everyone knows that. But, he’s a damn site better than a 3rd term of Bush that McCain will bring.
We can not tolerate the demonstratively poor leadership of the republican party for another 4 years.
Put your country before the political campaign would ya?
Yeesh.
14. WhatChange | August 28th, 2008 at 2:25 pm
“Please, if this is all you’ve got, get real. LAME” salamander
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qp0hU1THjuc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omHUsRTYFAU
Too much crack.
15. Salamandro | August 28th, 2008 at 2:36 pm
Infantile.
Par for the course.
Just watch a leader tonight. Watch the “liberal biased” media tear in to him.
Watch someone who came from a single family. Who worked the American dream. Who has a better plan for America than the Republican party does. Who is not perfect. Who listens. Who is running a clean campaign.
Too much crack?
Please. You should do so well.
16. jayhay | August 28th, 2008 at 2:55 pm
Hey McCain is running and ad during coverage of Obama’s speech tonight and they’re teasing the media about how big it will be! That McCain’s one classy guy!
(And he was a POW)
17. WhatChange | August 28th, 2008 at 3:00 pm
Maybe Bambi should notify his Gestapo before it even airs? Bambi should look darling on the Hollywood set. Maybe borrow Francois Kerry’s pink tie and perhaps get a $400 Edwards trim. Bambi, reporting for duty.
18. Zach | August 28th, 2008 at 3:09 pm
Of course I believe Obama is going to give a knock-out speech tonight, among the fainting masses.
You know I have no problem watching Obama until he goes into the McCain is the third-term of Bush nonsense, and that really applies to every democratic politician except for Nancy “Save the Planet” Pelosi and Harry “This war is lost” Reid. I genuinely despise those two.
Obama’s charm runs out when he starts moving onto talking points. When your 3 months away from the election and your opponents last name isn’t Bush…Why should that word ever cross your mind?
That isn’t the new politics that I had in mind, and thats another area that I find Obama to be insulting my intelligence. Dont tell me that youre the face of a new beginning in politics when you resort to the same tactics: You dont give clear answers to clear questions, You promise things that you can’t possibly deliver on, and hes flipped positions since the primary’s more times than most porno movies….(not that I watch’em or anything…i’m just saying)
Does he expect me to believe him when he says he’s going to unit both parties, and then immediately afterwards blames the “REPUBLICAN PARTY” for all of america’s problems? Thats not uniting, and that isn’t a new kind of politics..
Add to that I just do not agree with his philosphy, and frankly the less I hear his wife speak, the less prone I am to getting upset, she’s a tool and nothing else, and the thing about her is; she doesnt ever seem genuine? She’s about as fake as Nancy Pelosi’s plastic looking face…(sorry about that..haha)
All this circus-like attention he’s been recieving is going to reach its peak tonight, and really it sets the democratic party up for the ultimate defeat of the last century.
All this hype kinda reminds of the Superbowl, and we all saw how that turned out..
19. Salamandro | August 28th, 2008 at 3:20 pm
Zach
Dig a hole, put a cover over it. Put a TV in the hole. Get in the hole.
Turn on TV. Sit there with a six pack watching Fox news.
You’ll get all the info you need.
Unbiased and fair
You can then make your unbiased opinion.
Yeesh.
Step out of the trailer now and then would ya?
John McCain was a POW?
20. Nevada Pundit | August 28th, 2008 at 3:46 pm
I still don’t see why people refer to Obama as change. The guy voted 96% among party lines, that isn’t change that’s the same old democratic plan. His foreign policy is to talk to everyone then do nothing of value. His economic policy is to pay off the poor people at the cost of the rich, welfare by any other name is still welfare and ultimately dependency on the government…nice way to keep votes in the bag until the next election. His energy policy is narrow in scope, shallow and has only the possibility of improving tomorrow’s energy crisis. His social security plan is postponed until 2019. And finally his educational plan is to pay teachers more without asking more even though our SAT scores are at there lowest. I see no hope in anything that Obama says. Change? Or is it Chance? I’m thinking chance.
21. Zach | August 28th, 2008 at 3:57 pm
salamandro.
Did I say anything about the media being unfair? I’m a little lost on your response..
I’m was just giving my opioin about Barack Obama, as I see it.. Thats all..
Step out of the trailer? First of all, thats an insult to anyone that happens to be living in a trailer, and it only shows me what sort of asshole you are.
22. neocon | August 28th, 2008 at 4:14 pm
Step out of the trailer is an elitist comment. Elitism has nothing to do with wealth, another thing liberals don’t understand.
The speech tonight will be nothing more than an embarrasing litany of platitudes and promises and the sycophants will have thrills going down their legs. Proving once again that it just doesn’t take a whole lot to impress these people.
23. Zach | August 28th, 2008 at 4:21 pm
Maybe I should have used the word elitist instead of asshole?
24. LiberalMind | August 28th, 2008 at 4:31 pm
So Putin comes out accusing the GOP of starting a conflict to influence and election, which of course would be the worst kind of war crime.
Anything to this?
Mr. Bush said of Vladimir Putin:
“Here’s the thing, when you’re dealing with a world leader, you wonder whether or not he’s telling the truth,” Bush told reporters Monday. “I’ve never had to worry about that with Vladimir Putin. Sometimes he says things I don’t want to hear, but I know he’s always telling me the truth.”
25. Nevada Pundit | August 28th, 2008 at 4:36 pm
Oh come on liberalmind, can you tell me with any type of certainty that since that statement was made, what 6 yrs ago now, that the style and policy of the Putin regime hasn’t changed drastically? You’re comparing apples and oranges and standing there with a big smile because you think you have a match.
26. WhatChange | August 28th, 2008 at 4:42 pm
“So Putin comes out accusing the GOP of starting a conflict to influence and election, which of course would be the worst kind of war crime”
You guys don’t let anything slip by. Pure genius. Putin and Russia annilihate a neighbor, and the GOP is starting a conflict to win an election? Count Putin for Bambi is the bottom line here.
27. FmrMarine | August 28th, 2008 at 4:44 pm
Hermie;
Here is what he should be addressing………
to the American people…….
NOT HIGHER TAXES…….”for the RICH”
Buchanan to Obama
By Patrick J. Buchanan
Barack says we need to have a conversation about race in America.?
Fair enough. But this time, it has to be a two-way conversation. White America needs to be heard from, not just lectured to.
This time, the Silent Majority needs to have its convictions, grievances and demands heard. And among them are these:
First, America has been the best country on earth for black folks. It was here that 600,000 black people, brought from Africa in slave ships, grew into a community of 40 million, were introduced to Christian salvation, and reached the greatest levels of freedom and prosperity blacks have ever known.
Wright ought to go down on his knees and thank God he is an American.
Second, no people anywhere has done more to lift up blacks than white Americans. Untold trillions have been spent since the ’60s on welfare, food stamps, rent supplements, Section 8 housing, Pell grants, student loans, legal services, Medicaid, Earned Income Tax Credits and poverty programs designed to bring the African-American community into the mainstream.
Governments, businesses and colleges have engaged in discrimination against white folks — with affirmative action, contract set-asides and quotas — t o advance black applicants over white applicants.
Churches, foundations, civic groups, schools and individuals all over America have donated time and money to support soup kitchens, adult education, day care, retirement and nursing homes for blacks.
We hear the grievances. Where is the gratitude??
Barack talks about new ‘ladders of opportunity’ for blacks.
Let him go to Altoona?and Johnstown, and ask the white kids in Catholic schools how many were visited lately by Ivy League recruiters handing out scholarships for ‘deserving’ white kids.?
Is white America really responsible for the fact that the crime and incarceration rates for African-Americans are seven times those of white America? Is it really white America’s fault that illegitimacy in the African-American community has hit 70 percent and the black dr op out rate from high schools in some cities has reached 50 percent?
Is that the fault of white America or, first and foremost, a failure of the black community itself?
As for racism, its ugliest manifestation is in interracial crime, and especially interracial crimes of violence. Is Barack Obama aware that while white criminals choose black victims 3 percent of the time, black criminals choose white victims 45 pe rcent of the time?
Is Barack aware that black-on-white rapes are 100 times more common than the reverse, that black-on-white robberies were 139 times as common in the first three years of this decade as the reverse?
We have all heard adnauseam from the Rev. Al about Tawana Brawley, the Duke rape case and Jena. And all turned out to be hoaxes. But about the epidemic of black assaults on whites that are real, we hear nothing.
Sorry, Barack, some of us have heard it all before, about 40 years
and 40 trillion tax dollars ago.
I say SORRY…oBOMBa NO MORE SOCIALISM!
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It’s only a deal if it’s where you want to go. Find your travel deal here.
28. LiberalMind | August 28th, 2008 at 5:06 pm
WhatChange
So this is more liberal media lies and bias, eh?
OK, I guess Bush was wrong when he looked into Putin’s eyes and saw his soul…..
Or maybe, just maybe it is true that this conflict was engineered to occur right before the Democratic Convention.
Reminds me of all the phony terror alerts before whenever Kerry got ahead in the polls and before the 2004 election that all mysteriously ceased afterward.
If it looks like a duck……
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30. Kahn | August 28th, 2008 at 5:16 pm
The Obama speech will be vainglorious.
31. neocon | August 28th, 2008 at 5:17 pm
Please impeach Bush. I would love to see that.
Either do it, or STFU.
32. Chuckasaurus | August 28th, 2008 at 5:18 pm
As long as we are making fun of any Democrat we want, I couldn’t help but try to get a few more laughs out of this knucklehead:
33. Chuckasaurus | August 28th, 2008 at 5:19 pm
Sorry……..I couldn’t embed that video.
Here’s a link, if you want to laugh at Howard Dean’s scream some more.
34. sunrunner | August 28th, 2008 at 5:23 pm
I trust Senator Obama will provide his vision of America with the conservatives given a less role in the shaping of future domestic and international politics. The average Republican is beginning to grasp what he is saying, but the far-right represented by many who post here have not. Conservatism by its very nature breeds arrogance, greed and self righteousness. The past eight years of conservative policies of greed have squander America’s sound financial foundation of the 1990s, allowed big oil to dictate energy policy, pharmaceutical companies to dictate health care policies and war profiteers to dictate war policy. Obama will end these practices. Conservative arrogance has compromised many of the long standing friendships around the world. It will take years to rebuild trust with our allies. Obama is up to the job. Conservative self-righteousness has made it possible for the government to enter our bedrooms and interfere with the most private discussions between a husband and wife. Obama will elect Supreme Court Justice who will respect these Constitutional freedoms. McCain is too beholding to the far right conservative wing of the Republican party to ever fix these problems.
People the world over have always been more impressed by the power of our example than by the example of our power.- Bill Clinton 8/27/2008
35. sunrunner | August 28th, 2008 at 5:42 pm
27. FmrMarine | August 28th, 2008 at 4:44 pm
Old stuff Marine but since you reference Buchanan let us see one of his more current Buchanan editorial concerning McCain’s judgement in selecting advisors.
by Pat Buchanan August 22 2008
“Who is Randy Scheunemann?
He is the principal foreign policy adviser to John McCain and potential successor to Henry Kissinger and Zbigniew Brzezinski as national security adviser to the president of the United States.
But Randy Scheunemann has another identity, another role.
He is a dual loyalist, a foreign agent whose assignment is to get America committed to spilling the blood of her sons for client regimes who have made this moral mercenary a rich man.
From January 2007 to March 2008, the McCain campaign paid Scheunemann $70,000 — pocket change compared to the $290,000 his Orion Strategies banked in those same 15 months from the Georgian regime of Mikheil Saakashvili.
What were Mikheil’s marching orders to Tbilisi’s man in Washington? Get Georgia a NATO war guarantee. Get America committed to fight Russia, if necessary, on behalf of Georgia.
Scheunemann came close to succeeding”
So with a McCain Presidency this is what our military can expect! Used as pieces of meat for profit. Buchanan is one of yours. If you want to swift-boat the messenger by all means go ahead.
http://townhall.com/Columnists/PatrickJBuchanan/2008/08/22/and_none_dare_call_it_treason
36. neocon | August 28th, 2008 at 5:59 pm
He is a dual loyalist, a foreign agent whose assignment is to get America committed to spilling the blood of her sons for client regimes who have made this moral mercenary a rich man. - sunrunner
Is $290,000 a lot of money to you? Is that what you consider rich?
That post of yours revealed an embarrassingly immature mindset. Sorry.
37. sunrunner | August 28th, 2008 at 6:11 pm
|Is $290,000 a lot of money to you? Is that what you consider rich? August 28th, 2008 at 5:59 pm
One of McCain’s senior foreign policy advisors, Randy Scheunemann, “jobs” is to start a war between Russia and the U.S and all you care about is money. Apparently you have the belief no one would die in your family from such a conflict. Why someone from the military votes Republican is beyond me.
38. neocon | August 28th, 2008 at 6:25 pm
The fact that you believe that further reveals a juvenile, impressionable mind.
LMAO
39. neocon | August 28th, 2008 at 6:28 pm
sunrunner,
You’re just another dupe, a rube, a maleable piece of clay, fed propaganda and sent out to regurgitate.
Nothing more, nothing less.
have a nice night
neocon
40. sunrunner | August 28th, 2008 at 6:42 pm
You’re just another dupe, a rube, a maleable piece of clay, fed propaganda 39. neocon | August 28th, 2008 at 6:28 pm
Thanks! A con swift-boating ones character is the highest form of flattery. It is most often done when cons have nothing to add to the debate.
41. neocon | August 28th, 2008 at 6:51 pm
You have no proof of what you assert other than the mindless opinion of Buchanon, who I rate right up there with Kucinich, therefore, there is NOTHING to debate.
Enjoy your paranoid little world sunrunner, it will keep you occupied while you tend to the fry machine.
42. neocon | August 28th, 2008 at 6:55 pm
btw, parroting the opinion of another whack job does not constitute a factual foundation worthy of debate.
You may have missed that day in school
Just saying
neocon
43. sunrunner | August 28th, 2008 at 6:58 pm
You have no proof of what you assert other than the mindless opinion of Buchanon, 41. neocon | August 28th, 2008 at 6:51 pm
Like a good Bushie, I knew you would get around to swift-boating the messenger. However I can only give you a B- since it took you about six post.
44. neocon | August 28th, 2008 at 7:01 pm
swift boating is the highest form of complement and the last resort of a liberal void of any prrof of what they assert.
So transparent
Thank you
45. neocon | August 28th, 2008 at 7:03 pm
And since you believe Buchanon on that statement sunrunner, I suppose you believe the right wing Buchanon on a host of other issues as well, right?
Care to enlighten us?
46. sunrunner | August 28th, 2008 at 7:04 pm
44. neocon | August 28th, 2008 at 7:01 pm
Gotta go get ready to watch Obama. Rant among your multiple personalities.
47. neocon | August 28th, 2008 at 7:19 pm
So I guess you have no other proof of your assertion other than the rambling opinion of a fellow kook.
Good to know
bye
48. Nevada Pundit | August 28th, 2008 at 7:20 pm
An excerpt of what Obama is going to say tonight from the AP news.
Seeking to weld his Republican rival to the outgoing Bush presidency, Obama declared that McCain as a senator had voted with Bush 90 percent of the time. “I don’t know about you, but I’m not ready to take a 10 percent chance on change,” he said.
This is funny because Obama’s record is pretty high up there too. It will be interesting to see how long it takes the RNC “war room” to get this info out.
49. FmrMarine | August 28th, 2008 at 7:25 pm
sundope;
here is some more to watch…..
http://www.drudge.com/archive/104311/barack-obama-gay-sex-and-drug-use
http://infidelsarecool.com/2008/04/07/jeremiah-wright-former-muslim/
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=MmUwOTllNmMzZDNlMTljMGFmY2JkZTllYmQyOTY0ODY=
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.indian/browse_thread/thread/a47acf790cb10e77
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/08/obamas_temple_of_illusion_1.html
yes of course GO drink the cool aid….
of the emptysuited, racist, cultist, community organizer - affirmative action - hero!
You donks have sunk lower than whale s#!t on this mulatto, conflicted loser-canditate.
50. FmrMarine | August 28th, 2008 at 7:35 pm
neo;
>>>swift boating is the highest>>>>
swift boating is the highest form of TRUTH, by those who witnessed it FIRST hand. It cant be spun away and the RATS hate it.
Thats why they keep regurgitang ya de ya ….swiftboating this and that……they cant face that lyrch was a liar and a fake.
Now oBOMBa a NEVER been, NEVER done, NEVER run, anything crooked chicago community organizer is their “messiah”
I now understand how a nobody, bavarian - private came to rule Germany.
I pray we dont follow that lead, we may very well end up the same.
51. SEW | August 28th, 2008 at 7:50 pm
Vikings at Cowboys 8PM EST.
52. Magnum Serpentine | August 28th, 2008 at 9:02 pm
I predict that President Al Gore’s speech will be a heck of a lot better than spineless senator Obama’s speech.
53. Autorotate | August 28th, 2008 at 9:04 pm
Obama is the Nero of our times….
http://autorotatesflyingcircus.blogspot.com/2008/08/obamaopolis-nero-of-our-time.html
54. Rich | August 28th, 2008 at 10:29 pm
News to Obama- Growth of GDP last quarter, 3.3 percent. What recession are you talking about? Also, these lost jobs youre talking about in Michigan? Um they’ve been losing those jobs for the last 15 years. As far as McCain voting with Bush a certain percent of the time, the president does not cast any votes dumba#$. What is the percent of votes that Obama and McCain have cast that is the same? You see, its not the percent of votes you cast that are the same as someone, its is the actual votes that are different that matter. Man this guy is a lightweight.
55. Rich | August 28th, 2008 at 10:31 pm
Funny, Obama has not mentioned his belief in the need for partial birth abortion yet. Obama: Dead infants you can believe in!
56. Matt | August 28th, 2008 at 10:38 pm
Why is he yelling at me????
57. Rich | August 28th, 2008 at 10:40 pm
Now Obama is for nuclear power. Yet he is against yucca Mountain.
58. Rich | August 28th, 2008 at 10:43 pm
Now we have CIC Obama talking tough about Bin Ladin and claiming victory for Iraq. The hubris.
59. hermie | August 28th, 2008 at 11:03 pm
If Obama knows where Osama Bin Laden is, why doesn’t he tell the President?
To accuse McCain of not wanting to go to Bin Laden’s cave is a bunch of BS.
Obama sure has gotten a might big head, he now considers himself a military tactical genius; yet he STILL won’t admit the surge worked in Iraq..
60. gotbrains? | August 28th, 2008 at 11:15 pm
you toadies got squashed tonight.
61. Rich | August 28th, 2008 at 11:15 pm
Obama claimed McCain doesn’t come acroos the isle to work with Democrats, can we see some instances of Obama voting against his party?
62. gotbrains? | August 28th, 2008 at 11:18 pm
smell the fear? get used to it.
63. Casper | August 28th, 2008 at 11:21 pm
It was a great speech.
64. Rich | August 28th, 2008 at 11:30 pm
Casper- How do you feel Obama will raise the pay for teacher’s and tie it to performance? Would you not agree that the teacher’s union is against incentives based pay? Would it be safe to say it will simply be higher wages for teacher’s without any tangible increase in responsibility and results?
Gotbrains- How do you square Obama’s new love for nuclear power with his previous position against Yucca mountain?
Obama 2008- HOPE no one notices how much he CHANGES positions-
65. gotbrains? | August 28th, 2008 at 11:31 pm
I agree - great speech. The kind we haven’t heard in this country in decades. And the kind Mac can’t possibly hope to match - not because McCain isn’t a great orator (well, he isn’t - but nevermind that), but because he has neither the heart, the passion, nor the ideas to come anywhere close to Obama. There is only so much mileage you can get from being held prisoner 40 years ago.
Tonight is a new beginning.
66. jerry | August 28th, 2008 at 11:34 pm
Bill Fricking Kristol said it was a homerun. You guys aren’t dealing with a normal dem.
67. Tom | August 28th, 2008 at 11:35 pm
I have not been to your blog in a long while.
Its great how you changed your name from Blogs for Bush to Blogs for Victory.
Simply Hilarious. You guys need to look deep and realize that you are a disgrace (as is the president) to the real conservative ideals that made this country what it is today.
68. Casper | August 28th, 2008 at 11:46 pm
Rich,
“Casper- How do you feel Obama will raise the pay for teacher’s and tie it to performance? Would you not agree that the teacher’s union is against incentives based pay? Would it be safe to say it will simply be higher wages for teacher’s without any tangible increase in responsibility and results?”
I’m not against incentive based pay, nor are most good teachers. The problem is coming up with a fair system. How can you compare the performance of a kindergarten teacher with 25 students to a middle school teacher with 150 students, or a special ed teacher with 10 students that have severe needs? I really don’t know, but if you or anyone else has any great ideas I would love to hear them.
69. Rich | August 28th, 2008 at 11:48 pm
Gotbrains- I see nothing but platitudes from you. This speech was full of innacuracies, mistatements, flip-flops and pie in the sky policies. These policies will be picked apart in the next few days. We can start with the performance based teacher pay, which will never happen due to the dem run teacher’s union. P.S. What do you anti-war hippies think about commander codpiece chickenhawk Obama (never served in the military) talking all tough about Afghanistan, Pakistan, al-qaeda and Russia? Does he have any gravitas on military matters as he was dead wrong on the surge? P.S.S. Obama said he wants to have a debate with McCain on National security, bring it on. Will he now back off on this challenge like he did on the town halls? “Anytime anyplace?” More like no time no place.
70. Rich | August 28th, 2008 at 11:54 pm
Casper- The teacher’s union have shot down every attempt at incentives based pay, just look at what happened in California. You say that good teachers are for it, and I tell you the number of crappy inner-city teachers will outnumber the good teachers any day. You said yourself it would be hard to implement. So how do you think Obama would fix the system? He obviously failed in chicago with the Annenburg program. seems to me it will be increased pay and no incentives, which means higher taxes and nothing to showe for it. which means this policy sucks.
71. FormerRepublican | August 28th, 2008 at 11:58 pm
Deleted - false flag.
72. Casper | August 29th, 2008 at 12:03 am
Rich,
I guess I’m lucky because I work with some great teachers. I don’t know how Obama will fix the system. Can you tell me how John McCain will?
73. Kahn | August 29th, 2008 at 12:10 am
I smell an Obama “insert weapon type here” gun ban.
Since it is ALREADY illegal for criminals to own “AK-47’s”, and in fact there are very few actual AK-47’s in the US, just how would he square the 2nd Amendment with his claims?
I don’t believe him. I smell gun control.
Guess the NRA had him pegged correctly.
74. Dennis | August 29th, 2008 at 12:13 am
I was so proud tonight. Obama fulfilled my highest expectations, he gave the nation a tangible set of hopes and aspirations, but Al Gore was one who broke my heart. A virtuoso elder statesman - his speech was a window into what our nation might have had, what America should have been, what our nation never was destined to lose, but nevertheless threw away.
It should shake everyone to the core who saw Al Gore speak that instead of this Nobel laureate the American body politic instead accepted a wastrel and a buffoon to lead them - and look where we are now.
But tonight made me SO proud. Obama represents a decisive stride into the future, the restoration of America’s dignity and its renewed potency diplomatically, educationally, socially, spiritually and yes, even militarily. We can’t afford to blow such an opportunity again. Another will not likely come again in our lifetimes.
75. Tom | August 29th, 2008 at 12:17 am
By the way, its not even idiot level intelligence to blame the democrats for the current economy. The depth of the credit and energy issues are years in the making. To do so you would have to give Clinton complete credit for the economy he presided over, which I would not clearly do (and you certainly have not done.)
76. gotbrains? | August 29th, 2008 at 12:22 am
Andrew Sullivan’s reaction to the speech:
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/08/the-hope-we-con.html
Give it up Rich - you got pwned tonight and you know it. McCain is toast.
77. chuckyj360 | August 29th, 2008 at 12:29 am
Ohhhhh my goodnesss an Obama speech at Mount Obama off a teleprompter and he didn’t offer any specifics on his plans…. Geee sounds like his whole Campaign… The only people missing at his speech was William Ayers and Rev. White.
When reached for comment Ayers was busy putting together a terrorist plot and Rev. White was prepering an Anti-American/Anti-White person speech. They both sent their apologizes to the Obama camp and will not let it happen again.
78. FactCheck | August 29th, 2008 at 12:30 am
Guess what Obama, the economy was doing just fine until your party took control of congress.
You should drop this talking point from your repertoire. It just makes you sound uninformed.
79. Mark Noonan | August 29th, 2008 at 12:31 am
Got,
Andrew Sullivan? The guy who’s been anti-GOP for years now? Yeah, that’s a reliable source for whether or not Obama did a good job…
80. FactCheck | August 29th, 2008 at 12:48 am
Andrew Sullivan? The guy who’s been anti-GOP for years now? Yeah, that’s a reliable source for whether or not Obama did a good job…
The Blogs for Victory crew? The guys who’ve been anti-Democratic Party for years now? Yeah, that’s a real reliable source for whether or not Obama did a good job….
81. What? | August 29th, 2008 at 12:55 am
Sure Factcheck, that is how it works. The party in power when the S*** hits the fan is the party that created the s***.
Please, don’t bring such half-baked idea here. They demean you and this site.
82. Tom | August 29th, 2008 at 1:27 am
As I said, if you dont understand the depth of the credit crisis or the energy issues this country is facing then read up on it. The party in power thing is a fourth grade answer to a real point. In addition to the fact that the world is not a world of instantaneous results - it is a bit more complicated. I believe Bush is still president and the administration is still Republican. Plus not a veto proof super majority in the Senate.
83. Dennis | August 29th, 2008 at 1:54 am
Something very disturbing about the McCain congratulatory message. The darkness across McCain’s face and in the background is at odds with his message of a “good day for America.”
“How perfect that your nomination would come on this historic day” seems sardonic and intentionally insincere (the nomination was the day before, but that is a technicality). No light at all in McCain’s eyes - he seems subliminally threatening, even psychotic. Not a guy you’d want with his hand near the nuclear button.
At the end, the “job well done” seems like a contrived courtesy. I’m not sure this is going to play well to the American people. It sure as heck isn’t “morning in America” with McCain.
84. brettmicheals | August 29th, 2008 at 2:58 am
Deleted - mindless insults, commenter to be re-banned.
85. Danish Artist | August 29th, 2008 at 9:50 am
THE CHOSEN ONE SPEAKS
I’ll admit to putting the television on mute when Al Gore came on. This man has been so full of complete horse squeeze for so long that I just didn’t want to listen to any of it last night.
Let’s give credit, though. The Chosen One flat filled that stadium, didn’t he? Never underestimate the dumb masses or Stevie Wonder.
Now … some speech specifics. You hear me constantly complaining about government education in this country. Obama’s speech only reinforces my position. There are so many things that Obama said last night that would have been laughed out of the stadium if only the crowd knew how absurd they were. Those people weren’t there, though, because they were educated policy wonks. They were there to engage in celebrity worship. Last night was a not-so-adult version of the final episode of American Idol.
The Obama campaign is dedicated to the idea of chaining John McCain to George Bush. Once again last night we heard that bit about McCain voting with Bush 90% of the time. That line works because the dumb masses don’t know any better. Has it occurred to you that George Bush doesn’t have a vote in the Senate? So just how do you measure the percentage of times that McCain is voting “with” the president? Well, perhaps you could measure the number of times that a Senator votes with the Republican members. Ahhh … but remember, most Senate votes are unanimous. This would mean that the only way not to “vote with the president” would be not to vote at all. As Dick Morris wrote: “The fact that McCain backs commending a basketball team on its victory doesn’t mean that he is in lockstep ideologically with the president.”
Morris also points out a series of important issues on which Bush and McCain did not agree:
McCain fought for campaign finance reform — McCain-Feingold — that Bush resisted and ultimately signed because he had no choice.
McCain led the battle to restrict interrogation techniques of terror suspects and to ban torture.
McCain went with Joe Lieberman on a tough measure to curb climate change, something Bush denies is going on.
McCain opposed the Bush tax cuts when they passed.
McCain urged the Iraq surge, a posture Bush rejected for years before conceding its wisdom.
McCain favors FDA regulation of tobacco and sponsored legislation to that effect, a position all but a handful of Republican senators oppose.
McCain’s energy bill, also with Lieberman, is a virtual blueprint for energy independence and development of alternate sources.
After the Enron scandal, McCain introduced sweeping reforms in corporate governance and legislation to guarantee pensions and prohibit golden parachutes for executives. Bush opposed McCain’s changes and the watered-down Sarbanes-Oxley bill eventuated.
McCain has been harshly critical of congressional overspending, particularly of budgetary earmarks (ones that Obama supported including the Bridge to Nowhere above diverting that earmark to New Orleans for levees), a position Bush only lately adopted (after the Democrats took over Congress).
Using the same methodology you would probably find that most Democrat senators also voted with Bush 90% of the time.
Now here’s one part of the Obama speech that was particularly clever. As you know, we’ve been talking about Obama’s plan to raise taxes on the very people, small businessmen and women, who are providing about 80% of the new jobs our economy is producing. Obama’s response last night was to say that “I will eliminate capital gains taxes for the small businesses and start-ups that will create the high-wage, high-tech jobs of tomorrow.”
Here, again, is where the ignorance of the American voter (Brian, Thrower, coulterfan, wishedhehadbrains!, liberalnomind) comes into play. I can just the leftist bloggers now: “Danish Artist said that Obama was going to raise taxes these small businessmen. Obama said he is going to eliminate him. There! I knew it! DA is a liar!”
Pay attention now. Obama said he was going to eliminate capital gains taxes. These small businessmen generally don’t pay capital gains taxes. They pay income taxes. Obama’s plan is to raise the income taxes on these entrepreneurs. Telling the American people that he will cut their capital gains taxes is simply a charade; a charade the uneducated and idol worshippers will buy.
Did you hear Obama last night say that McCain describes middle class as someone making less than $5 million dollars a year? Now you may laugh at that idea and think it absurd. Trust me … there are hundreds of thousands of Obama voters out there who will take that seriously; who will think that McCain thinks that someone making $4,500,000 a year is middle class. Tell me, is that playing on the stupidity and ignorance of the American people?
Then there’s Obama’s line about the Republicans and McCain not proposing one penny of tax relief for over 100 million Americans. Sounds good. But if you’re educated; if you know the statistics; if you pay attention you will know that the bottom 50% of income earners in this country pay only about 3% of all individual income taxes collected by the federal government. When you get to the bottom 40% that percentage figures drops to zero. Now just what is our current population figure? Around 300 million or so? That would bean that about 120 million Americans have no federal income tax liability at all. Yet there’s Obama saying that McCain is offering no tax relief to these people. Relief from what?
There was another line in Obama’s speech that is very typical of far-left politicians. Obama seems to feel those with higher incomes in this country have not earned their way. Whatever the wealthy have was given to them, not earned. So Obama tells the adoring crowd that Republicans want to “Give more and more to those with the most, and hope that prosperity will trickle down to the rest.” As I said, this is a standard Democrat theme. Wealthy people didn’t earn what they have, it was given to them. And since it was given to them, there’s nothing really all that wrong with taking more and more of it away from them … just to even things out a bit. Remember, please, that Obama flat-out said that he wants to raise taxes on the rich not to bring in increased government revenues, but to make things more “fair.”
This idea that whatever wealthy or successful people have was given to them is reflected in the idea that people should “give back.” Charity isn’t recognized for what it is; one individual giving some of what they have earned to another in need. No .. it’s just someone giving back some of the stuff that was given to them. Accomplishment and the concept of earning seems to have no place in Democrat rhetoric.
As I was assembling these notes this morning a Wal-Mart ad came on television. It seems that you can go to some Wal-Marts and get a prescription for one of 300 medications filled for just four dollars. That’s for a 30-day supply. If you want a 90-day supply it will cost you ten bucks. There can’t be one of you out there who could possibly think that the government could provide these drugs to you for the same price. Yet Obama told us last night that the private sector simply cannot handle our health care needs.
One clear realization after last night. After watching the show in Denver … and watching the scene at Times Square in New York City last night … there is a clear sense of mass hysteria over Barack Hussein Obama. What fun it would be to walk up to one of those cheering people and engage them in a discussion on the differences between a capital gains tax and an income tax. Wouldn’t you just love to watch their expressions as you detail the way that government has intentionally restricted free market involvement in the delivery of health care? What do you think their answer would be if you were to ask them just how you give income tax breaks to 100 million Americans who don’t pay income taxes? The blank expressions of the faces of these screaming masses would be priceless.
John McCain truly has a tough – almost impossible – act to follow, especially with a hostile media acting as the propaganda arm of the Obama IMAGE campaign.
86. Sunny | August 29th, 2008 at 3:24 pm
Danish Artist | August 29th, 2008 at 9:50 am
THE CHOSEN ONE SPEAKS
Sounds like sour grapes to me Danish.
87. Danish Artist | August 29th, 2008 at 7:02 pm
Danish Artist | August 29th, 2008 at 9:50 am
THE CHOSEN ONE SPEAKS
Sounds like sour grapes to me Danish.
As usual sunny, sounds like you haven’t a clue as to the facts of your candidates numerous short-comings.
88. FactCheck | August 29th, 2008 at 9:29 pm
you haven’t a clue as to the facts of your candidates numerous short-comings.
The muddled mess of invective in your mind is not “fact.” You would do well to learn the difference.