Grim Humor
September 3rd, 2008 at 01:52am Mark Noonan
Scott Ott of Scrappleface nails the contrast between the pro-life side and the pro-abortion side:
Obama Begs Palin: Don’t Punish Bristol with a Baby
As news broke of the pregnancy of Sarah Palin’s eldest daughter, Democrat presidential nominee Barack Obama pleaded with the GOP vice presidential candidate not to be too harsh with her daughter, who plans to marry the father of the child.
“Gov. Palin,” said Sen. Obama addressing himself to her personally, “you tried to teach your daughter about morals and values, but she made a mistake, and she shouldn’t be punished with a baby.”
As a goodwill gesture, Sen. Obama offered to pay for Bristol Palin’s abortion “at any time between now and the scheduled moment of birth.”
The fundamental divide is over the issue of life…in the end, there’s no other conflict in the United States.
Entry Filed under: Campaign 2008, Kook Left, Life Issues
27 Comments
1. kjstrouble | September 3rd, 2008 at 2:37 am
You know, I am pro-choice, but only because there are exceptions, and women need to have a choice. But, Obama has gone too far. Bristol is 17, and probably has decided for herself that she wants this baby. Obama has insulted that innocent child, calling him/her a punishment. A child is a gift and a blessing, never a punishment.
2. Jeremiah | September 3rd, 2008 at 2:47 am
A child is a gift and a blessing, never a punishment.
Yes. Thank the Lord for all the little children. Red, Yellow, Black and White they are precious in His sight, Jesus loves the little children of the world.
I wish the more than a million who abort each year could see that.
I often times pray myself to sleep at night praying for these lost souls. America really needs our prayers.
America is one step away from either going into destruction or turning back to safety. We are at the threshold.
3. kjstrouble | September 3rd, 2008 at 2:49 am
Jeremiah,
I might never have an abortion myself, but I know the pain of rape - and how hard it can be to then face a child. Give us a way of saving the fetus, and not forcing the woman to bear the child, and this problem would be solved.
4. What? | September 3rd, 2008 at 2:50 am
Kjstrouble,
You missed the humor part of that post.
5. Brian (Boston) | September 3rd, 2008 at 4:04 am
Mark, I doubt anyone is pro-abortion. When he was talking about being “punished with a baby” he was referring to that schools should teach about sex education and how to use contraception so kids would not become pregnant. In the same sentence he said “punished with an STD,” as well. He should have used better terminology.
watch it in context:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbZJYWjkAPo
You were complaining about slandering Palin and here you are slandering Obama. The story above is completely false.
Every issue is not black and white. Why not address the underlying issues, like poverty and lack of education to lower the abortion rate? And aren’t there certain circumstances an abortion is warranted, like to save the mother’s life?
6. Derek Blunte | September 3rd, 2008 at 4:09 am
C’mon man! Obama said no such thing.
In the meantime, McCain’s VP choice looks like trailer trash. Check out the cover of US Weekly.
The people that McCain was appealing to are the same audience that reads US Weekly.
http://www.usmagazine.com/
7. french student | September 3rd, 2008 at 5:55 am
S wait, you are quoting a satire, right wing outlet, that quotes a made-up phrase by Obama, and then you are criticizing Obama for saying what he did not, in fact, say?
That is called slander, is it not?
8. Danish Artist | September 3rd, 2008 at 6:34 am
Obama did say he did not want to punish his girls with a baby for a mistake, when asked if one of his daughters came to him pregnant!
At a campaign stop in Pennsylvania:
Obama said…. “Look, I got two daughters - 9 years old and 6 years old. I am going to teach them first about values and morals, but if they make a mistake, I don’t want them punished with a baby. I don’t want them punished with an STD at age 16, so it doesn’t make sense to not give them information.”
http://www.catholic.org/video/?v=1492
That is what Obama believes and he publicly said so. It can be called satire but it is based on factual statements and beliefs. The quote was in context - he believed that keeping a baby for his young daughters is a punishment and one that can be rectified.
Sorry libs, but your fantasies have no basis in fact. SPin it anyway you want, but Obama believes what he believes.
9. french student | September 3rd, 2008 at 6:52 am
I was actually referring to the second part of the statement, Obama allegedly offering to pay for the abortion.
As for the “punished” part, I believe tht this choice of word comes from the word “mistake” used earlier in the phrase. And I totally agree with the sentiment, although I would probably have phrased it “punished with an unwanted baby” in his place.
Look, a friend of mine had a kid by accident the year after high-shool graduation.
He decided to keep her.
He had the chance to be smart enough to be able to both raise the child and go to a grande école (college-like, but not exactly. More specialised in the technial fields). Note that in america, he would not have been able to pay for college (I believe the school he went to cost him less than 1000€ a year, I know mine cost only 400€ a year)
However, his wife had to come from her country, and renounce everything in order to raise her and her little brother. And as she is blind, she could not have done ANYthing if my friend had decided to bolt from his responsibilities.
It is a choice they made, and I do not think they were wrong. However, I see how much they had to sacrifice, and I honestly do not think you can require an 16-years-old to make the same sacrifice, especially against their will.
Yes, I believe that when you are forced to stop your education, take a low-paying job, and sacrifice every minute of free time you had to raise an unwanted kid, and you have not CHOSEN this, it is a punishment.
All that because you did not know about the pill or the condom. And you did not know that because… Some nutjob believed abstinence was all you needed to know, and that once you had strayed frm the straght and narrow, you deserved whatever happened to you.
Get it into your mind, people : abstinence is a personal choice, that you cannot enforce on anyone. All the “abstinence-only” education in the world DOES NOT WORK. Hell, even the daughter of a right wing VP candidate can get pregnant.
Therefore, mistakes will happen. The sensible thing to do is to make sure the consequences of these mistakes are as benign as can be.
10. bagni | September 3rd, 2008 at 8:17 am
Like a lawyer, the human brain wants victory, not truth; and, like a lawyer, it is sometimes more admirable for skill than virtue. -Robert Wright, author and journalist (b. 1957)
11. coulterfan | September 3rd, 2008 at 8:45 am
It’s funny when folks make up quotes and attribute them to Obama? When folks take statements out of context?
Hey, if you like that. . . then you must like out-of-context statements and made up quotes from Palin!
After all, Palin thinks our Iraq mission is a “mission from God”. And that we should “kill all Muslims and destroy their culture in God’s name!” and that we should “pray for a 30 billion dollar pipeline because God wants more profits for oil company executives” because “God wants us to use up our natural resources before He comes back and sends Jews like Lieberman to hell!”
Funny, funny “satire” Mark!
BTW, like the post you referenced, I have used some real Palin quotes out of context. I have also added some fictional quotes, just to divine her true intentions (just like you Wingnuts are doing to Obama).
I’m sure you find that sort of stuff FUNNY!
12. coulterfan | September 3rd, 2008 at 8:53 am
>>That is what Obama believes and he publicly said so. It can be called satire but it is based on factual statements and beliefs. The quote was in context - he believed that keeping a baby for his young daughters is a punishment and one that can be rectified.<<
Wait one second. . . You are being disingenuous here- Obama clearly means that he doesn’t want his daughters ‘punished’ by having a child before they are ready because they are not made aware of birth control, condoms, etc. Since most teen, out-of-wedlock mothers end up not going to college and have high rates of poverty, he would rather HIS children know about birth control (unlike Palin’s ‘abstinence-only sex ed’) so that they can make INFORMED decisions!
It’s, in fact, very similar to what ‘abstinence only’ proponents say all the time. . .”If you have pre-marital sex, you are responsible for the consequences!” And they DO NOT mean that teenage motherhood is a desirable consequence, do they?
And have you seen the quotes from the fiance’s MySpace page? Levi is cussing all over the web page, there are photos glorifying teenage drinking, and he says that HE DOESN’T WANT TO BE A FATHER!
Isn’t this shotgun marriage and being a teenage father before he’s ready sort of. . . um. . . “punishment” for his poor choices?
13. coulterfan | September 3rd, 2008 at 9:02 am
Levi’s Myspace page, per the NY Post:
Does he sound ready to be a father? Will Levi and Bristol be living with the VP’s family or will they be ‘punished’ by having to go out, find a job, an apartment, and child care on their own?
14. A-10 | September 3rd, 2008 at 9:29 am
coulterfan,
I’ve read the quoted, watched the video, and I can come to no other conclusion than Senator Obama means that if one of his daughters “makes a mistake” (an unwanted pregnancy), she shouldn’t be “punished with a baby”, and that they should get an abortion.
That’s the whole issue. The satire was pointing out that Senator Obama supports killing unborn babies, and even letting those who were aborted yet live, to die.
You can try to deflect it all you want. He wasn’t talking about sex-education. He was talking about aborting the child, if one of his daughters “makes a mistake”.
Its really sad that those who are “pro-choice” aren’t really “pro-choice”, they’re “pro-abortion”. Otherwise, they wouldn’t say a word if a mother makes the “choice” not to have an abortion. But NOW and the other organizations advocating murdering the unborn don’t care about “choice”, they exist only to further their “pro-abortion” agenda. And Senator Obama is their kind of guy.
15. yekepyt | September 3rd, 2008 at 9:47 am
People aren’t recognizing this as fiction, and an attempt at humor, for a couple of reasons:
- The everyday posts here are typically just as far from the truth as this one, so this one blends right in.
- It’s not funny (this guy should write for the Half Hour News Hour).
Mark, you need to edit the post so that people know you’re not trying to pawn this one of as actual fact, and that it’s supposed to be funny (the title, “Grim Humor,” isn’t enough — I expected to see an article about a Democrat joking and laughing as he slaughters an infant).
16. Rich | September 3rd, 2008 at 10:04 am
“In the meantime, McCain’s VP choice looks like trailer trash”
There is no room on this blog for your racist remarks.
17. A-10 | September 3rd, 2008 at 10:59 am
yekepyt ,
If you’ve never heard of “Scrappleface”, you must be out of the mainstream of America. Besides, the post was titled “Grim Humor”. If those reading the Scrappleface piece, or following the link, didn’t recognize it as humor, I would question their powers of comprehension.
18. coulterfan | September 3rd, 2008 at 11:44 am
>>Its really sad that those who are “pro-choice” aren’t really “pro-choice”, they’re “pro-abortion”.<<
This is absurd! “Pro-Choice” means that it is up to the individual to decide what to do. . . that the Federal government should not make private, intimate decisions for its citizens.
It’s ironic how the Republicans love to talk about freedom, yet want to the Federal Government to decide who we can marry, what behaviors consenting adults can do in the privacy of their own bedrooms, whether we can remove a feeding tube from our family members, etc.
It used to be that Conservatives believed in personal freedoms and responsibility. Ronald Reagan was against seat belt laws and motorcycle helmet laws. Does this mean that he was PRO-HIGHWAY FATALITIES? Was he ANTI-HELMET and ANTI-SEAT BELTS?
Bob Barr is now a Libertarian and calls for drug legalization. Does this mean that he is PRO-HEROIN ADDICTION?
Many Republicans are against anti-smoking legislation and limits on tobacco advertising. Does this mean that they are PRO-TOBACCO SMOKING?
Of course not. And you are being disingenuous if you think that Obama is Pro-Abortion. Remember, Laura Bush, Condi Rice, Christine Todd Whitman, Barbara Bush, Guiliani, Schwartzenegger, Lieberman, Ridge, Pataki, Romney (every other campaign) are ALL PRO CHOICE! Are they also “Pro-Abortion”?
Rather than vilify each other, how about we work together to reduce teen pregnancies? What about providing universal health care, so that pregnant teens and those in poverty get the pre-natal care they need and so the babies are born healthy and also have access to health care?
There should be common ground here. Many teen and college-aged single moms have NO HEALTH INSURANCE! Being pro-life should mean caring for both the unborn AND FOR PEOPLE AFTER THEY ARE BORN!
19. yekepyt | September 3rd, 2008 at 11:53 am
Hi, A-10,
No, I haven’t heard of Scrappleface. I’m sure it’s very funny. I did a quick check on compete.com and found out that they reach about 20,000 people on a good day. So out of America’s 300,000,000 people, that’s 299,980,000 who are out of the mainstream, according to your definition. Normally, though, people don’t use the term “mainstream” to refer to a slice of a population that is only 0.0066% big.
And the title, “Grim Humor,” isn’t enough — I expected to see an article about a Democrat joking and laughing as he slaughters an infant.
20. gotbrains? | September 3rd, 2008 at 1:13 pm
Please. The quotes above are invented, slanderous, and/or distortions. Obama did not “offer to pay for Palin’s abortion any time between now and the scheduled moment of birth.” Nor did he say anything about Palin punishing her daughter with a baby.
All these wingnut websites are pushing this crapola, and none have a source. None. Not one. Their only source is each other a pile of vomit regurgitated between them.
You can see for yourself, on the youtube links already posted here, that Obama simply makes the case for giving adolescents the knowledge they need to protect themselves - in addition to advocating abstinence. He only talks about his own daughters, and never mentions Palin’s daughter. He just doesn’t think a child should end up bearing the enormous responsibility of having a baby just because she made a mistake. He’s not talking about abortion - something he never mentions in that stump speech - but about avoiding having your kids get pregnant in the first. See, talking to your teenagers about birth-control is part of a parent’s responsibility.
Mark, you should be ashamed to regurgitate these distortionate smears. Obama does not say the things you posted here that you lifted from a wingnut blogger.
21. A-10 | September 3rd, 2008 at 2:14 pm
yekepyt,
I’ll use liberal math: 20,000 per day x 365 days = 7,300,000 per year. That’s a pretty sizable market. Don’t cha think.
You’re right about one thing though: “The everyday posts here are typically just as far from the truth as this one, so this one blends right in.” Unfortunately, 99.99% of the untruthful comments come from liberals.
22. Eric T | September 3rd, 2008 at 3:45 pm
I think Sarah Palin, is the perfect speciman of good vp pick
Most average American’s would be saying to the Palin daughter; congratulations on getting engaged.
To hear this
Obama Begs Palin: Don’t Punish Bristol with a Baby
Obama recommends destroying the life, Why?
Is he going to set of ages that he feels are better age to have a child. and set out mandiates. any under this age must be aborted?
My mother had me at 18, why does Obama offer to have this child destroyed. He could have said
congratulation on your engagement.
No, he offered to pay for the abortion.
I’d had thrown him out of my home, that is a pretty offensive comment wanting to kill the kid and even offereing to pay you to do it.
Do you really want a commander in chief, that life means nothing to???
23. A-10 | September 3rd, 2008 at 3:59 pm
Eric T,
The Scrappleface bit was satire. Senator Obama did not offer to pay for the abortion.
It was meant to highlight the fact that Senator Obama does not value a baby’s life and supports abortion upto the moment of birth (he opposed a ban on Partial-Birth Abortions).
24. Jeremiah | September 3rd, 2008 at 5:30 pm
Give us a way of saving the fetus, and not forcing the woman to bear the child, and this problem would be solved.
kjstrouble,
If you get raped, why not give the rapist the death penalty, instead of murdering the innocent child?
And then, give the child to an adoption center where they will find a loving couple (man and wife) who want a child in their life.
You should remember the baby has your genes, so the baby is part of you … that’s like I say if I ever have children I want my own children first, and then think about adoption.
Cindy McCain is a perfect example of a wonderful mother, who took in children not even related to her, and then had children of her own, her and John.
No child should be murdered for any reason, because if God doesn’t want a baby to live, the baby will be born still-born.
Family is the center of society, and in order for everything to work to the benefit of society, they must do everything in accordance with what God’s Word tells them.
#1. Put Jesus Christ first and foremost in everything.
#2. Find a mate, to be your husband or wife.
#3. Get married.
#4. Be fruitful and multiply in the earth.
That’s what the Bible says.
Until our present culture which is becoming a more degenerate society come to their senses and realizes this, America is headed for trouble, as sure as this world will end.
25. Michelle | September 3rd, 2008 at 7:16 pm
I guess this makes it official:
Obama is no Christian!
I’ve never seen such a hateful statement veiled to look kind. This election is turning into a fiasco now and not because of the daughter’s baby. It’s because of Obama and his phoniness.
I can’t understand how America doesn’t see through Obama. He’s just evil.
26. Jay Gaultieri | September 4th, 2008 at 10:38 pm
Obama never offered to pay for Bristol’s abortion. And abortion will be legal whenever McCain or Obama leaves office. You guys are being played for chumps on that issue.
27. yekepyt | September 5th, 2008 at 11:16 am
Hi, A-10:
“I’ll use liberal math: 20,000 per day x 365 days = 7,300,000 per year. That’s a pretty sizable market. Don’t cha think.”
No, I don’t think you’re right, here (hint: the bulk of those 20,000 are visitors to the web site who have visited before, so you can’t count them twice, or 365 times).
Not sure if you were trying to be funny and/or clever, although maybe you were with the “liberal math” comment.